Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 18:56:16 -0500
There are only a few bands associated with 4ad that would big enough
to merit a seperate list: The Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, and Frank
Black with or without the Pixies. Can't think of any others.
As far as mailboxes being flooded; it already is. I'm looking to cut
down. 4ad-l is about 10-40 messages a day.
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 05:54:29 -0500
1) No to alt.
2) Absolutely no to .4ad.
3) Nesgroups and lists have their good and bad aspects. I prefer a list
gated to a newsgroup
4) The Web page gets about 1 or 2 posts a day as it is. A mailing list
would get about the same and a newsgroup would get about double, plus
5) alt.music.4ad is pretty sorry, but I can't help feel a CT nesgroup
would be better.
6) Bjork has an active mailing list and seperate newsgroup and there seems
to be no lack of discussion. There are several single band newsgroups
I could go on but it's 6am...Nighty-night!
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 23:31:06 -0700
Extracts from EAR/Rational's pre-orders list, snipped up liberally.
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:13:58 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:00:22 -0700
On Sun, 17 Sep 1995 Srilank@AOL.COM wrote:
> > I still listen to Modula Green at
> least three times a day and think it is the best ambient since >Lifeforms
> so dammit buy it before all the Fax nerds start
> >listening to me.
> Apparently they listened. I received the new ear update stating that Modula
> Green has been deleted from the catalog (along with almost every other fax
> release). This saddens me greatly (well, not sad just pissed) because I
> finally had some money to send to the big ear in the sky and now it's gone :(
The fax stuff is never really *deleted* so much as that it is never
repressed. Sometimes the more popular releases are reissued on the World
Ambient sister label. You might try contacting Fax USA directly. Ear
doesn't usually order too much of anything.
> Does anyone ANYONE know of someone (anyone) who sells fax releases who may
> have this or other must have fax ltd. offerings??
People sell stuff on the ambient list (firstname.lastname@example.org which is a
Majordomo list) all the time. Folks buy all the fax stuff they see so
they can trade it for other stuff they can't find. One nice thing about
the limited releases is that the demand makes it easy to get rid of a Fax
disc you don't like. I have raved about Modula Green on that list a lot
and got NO response so I don't see why it should be that hard to find. If
you want good sleeping music, 62 Eulengasse and Fanger & Siebert are both
really good recent releases from Fax. The first Compilation is also
tremendous. Brian Eno's album Neroli is also a favorite. Very minimal and
beatless. Ambient 4: On Land is even better but kinda scary. :)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:21:07 -0700
How did this subject get changed to Re: Autechre 'Chatter'? Or are you
being punny? :) I wish they would release a proper single to that track
as it is one of my favorites.
On Sun, 17 Sep 1995, Sung Shim wrote:
> Autechre are my very favourite artists. I would have to say
> _Incunabula_ is fabulous, it is more varied than _Amber_ being sort of a
> collection of work they released, lots of electro styles and trademark
> crunchy Autechre breakbeats and sound fields.
I am a little confused by your generous use of the word 'breakbeat' to
describe the styles on Autechre's records. You are right, but I have
never thought of them in that light because their music has none of what
normally shows up on a breakbeat record (ranted that I avoid the stuff
and don't know it too well). You kinda make them sound like Entrance to
Exit with lots of filter noise. :) The beats are so subdued and fucked up
in Autechre's work that I really don't think to group it into any genre.
> _Amber_ is more coherent. Filtering of almost everything and long
> slow fading is very their style on this album (and everything they do
> really), on top of which are often complex metallic beatings and gorgeous
> melodies fading and weaving in and out. It does remind me of a pure arctic
Yes! Did I mention icey? Yes I must have. It is the icyest album since
Harold Budd's _The White Arcades_ or at least that I can think of.
> I love _Garbage_ (couldn't you have guessed). Starts out with
> typewriterish sounds and then you hear what seems to be someone snoring, but
> filtered and distorted in the way only Autechre can, all this building into
> an ultra-complex breakbeat and floats you into heaven for 13 minutes before
> winding to a beautiful string ending.
One of the most effective endings to such a track that I have ever heard,
I might hasten to add. But I already said that in my review of the ep a
while ago...still, it is *really* powerful. I can't even think of a
comparison to make, except to The The's cover of Hank Williams' "I can't
Escape from You" (which is the best cover version of anything I have
> I can't wait for the new releases. Also if you're into Autechre, they
> have a new EP on Clear called _The Sounds of Machines Our Parents Used_
> under their pseudonym Gescom. Ass-kicking use of the sound of someone
> slurping on one track. They also have 2 previous EPs under Gescom on Skam.
> (All vinyl only).
No, not if you're into Autechre, necessarily. It is really really electro
or something and I kind of hate it personally. The first two eps, that
is. I haven't had opportunity to listen to either of them more than a few
times but they did nothing for me. Gescom isn't really Autechre, is it?
Isn't a third person involved? This was the impression I had though it
is hard to tell from the packaging.
Speaking of Clear and stuff that only comes out on shitty vinyl so I can
only listen to it at my grandparents house which is five hours away :)
what ever happened to Plaid? They were supposed to have an ep out on Warp
by now, weren't they? The two new tracks on that last ep were much better
than any of Spanners, I thought, and I am really looking forward to
hearing more from them.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:36:02 -0700
On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Kayleigh wrote:
> stright from the gal who does the subscription work, they are out,
> goneski, the only way you'll get them is if you break into someone's
> abode who has them and rip them off. someone just did this to me,
> actually they took more than the volumes, but that is besides the
> point. someone in Minneapolis is now enjoying the bounty of my hard
> fought fight to complete sharky. actually come to think of it, they
> probablly don't even appreciate it, they just stole to steal.
> euthelene, sharkless girl
This REALLY pisses me off. I didn't see this until I read Michael's
followup to it. I fucking HATE thieves. I HATE THEM. Worse still,
however, is making the distinction between stealing for the sheer fun of
it and stealing out of some rationalized necessity. Don't buy into that
If someone did that to me, I would absolutely hunt them down and kill
them. There is no question. I admire your coolheadedness. If you want
anything from those discs write me and I will make you some tapes. I'm
serious. There but for the grace of God go I and stuff. Hearing about
this sort of thing really upsets me.
It may seem to make no sense that I am posting this to the list, but it
is an opportunity to say what needs to be said and never is. Thieves are
shit. They are worse than rapists, child molesters, and murderers because
they clearly have some moral sense or they would BE rapists, child
molesters, and murderers...and yet they ignore that moral sense and
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:49:32 -0700
On Sun, 17 Sep 1995, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:
> 1) No to alt.
> 2) Absolutely no to .4ad.
> 3) Nesgroups and lists have their good and bad aspects. I prefer a list
> gated to a newsgroup
Doesn't this create twice as much traffic? (I have no idea.)
> 4) The Web page gets about 1 or 2 posts a day as it is. A mailing list
> would get about the same and a newsgroup would get about double, plus
Except for the spam, I think this is irrelevant. In fact the spam is
irrelevant also. Spam is only a problem because it pisses people off and
clogs up legitimate groups. Spam is equally bad regardless of the number
of newsgroups it's posted to. More traffic is better traffic since what
you're saying here is really that more of existing Twins interest and
discussion will be harnessed and cordoned off in its own area. These
extra messages would otherwise either be in another newsgroup or their
authors would write about something else someplace else. Usenet traffic
increases because X number of new users have X amount of time to post for
whatever good or bad reasons; rec.whatever.cocteau-twins isn't going to
draw people to Usenet, which already has more than enough to hold
anyone's interest for as long as they can stand to use their newsreader,
so I don't think I see what you mean here.
> 5) alt.music.4ad is pretty sorry, but I can't help feel a CT nesgroup
> would be better.
Here you may have a point. I avoid usenet because the people who use it
are largely idiots, and am instead a mailing list addict because the
quality of discussion is so much better. Why is this? Maybe I am just an
> 6) Bjork has an active mailing list and seperate newsgroup and there seems
> to be no lack of discussion. There are several single band newsgroups
> like this.
I personally can't stand them but maybe it is just my newsreader that
causes this. They are an inconvenience. However, 4AD related newsgroups
would never branch off into so many that it would become a problem. On
the other hand, I can't stand Usenet or discussion of the Cocteau Twins
either, so what do I know? I just like talking about Usenet. :)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 01:42:06 -0700
i was just wondering about that "ladykiller" song someone mentioned on
the list by lush. i heard there was a new import compilation with a new
lush song. is this the track? can anyone tell me what the title of this
compilation is? according to a friend who saw it in a parasol catalog,
it also had the bluetones, ash, coast, cast, and others. by the way, can
anyone tell me what the bluetones, coast, and cast sound like? i always
see coast and cast mentioned together but have no idea what they sound like.
p.s. how rare is the pale saints' "barging into the presence of god ep"
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:46:09 BST
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 04:27:38 -0500
>No, not if you're into Autechre, necessarily. It is really really electro
>or something and I kind of hate it personally. The first two eps, that
_Incunabula_ was quite electro-ish in many parts. I personally love
their electro influences. Nothing makes me want to dance more than when a
dj spins old school house-electro tracks.
>is. I haven't had opportunity to listen to either of them more than a few
>times but they did nothing for me. Gescom isn't really Autechre, is it?
>Isn't a third person involved? This was the impression I had though it
>is hard to tell from the packaging.
Gescom is Autechre plus whoever else they want to involve.
>Speaking of Clear and stuff that only comes out on shitty vinyl so I can
>only listen to it at my grandparents house which is five hours away :)
Simply buy a good turntable, there is so much awesome stuff that is
only available on vinyl, I don't know how I would survive w/o one now.
>what ever happened to Plaid? They were supposed to have an ep out on Warp
>by now, weren't they? The two new tracks on that last ep were much better
Still due to be released. They have an EXCELLENT ep on Clear, it's
beats are in the electro style but with the black dog wacked time signatures
and multiple interweaving melodies.
>than any of Spanners, I thought, and I am really looking forward to
>hearing more from them.
Spanners was ass-kicking, although perhaps not comparable to the
CLASSIC _Bytes_, who can say if that will ever be toppled by anyone.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:02:42 -0700
um, bought volume 14 on saturday. no sign of it on the volume web pages
though so here're a few details. 14vcd14.
it's a double reading '95 special featuring a lot of the bands that
played reading festival a month or so ago including:
a new stereolab song! (theme from get carter), teenage fanclub, ash,
cardigans, prolapse, drugstore, electrafixion (have you heard of them?),
guided by voices, 36 tracks in total for the same price as a usual single
cd, worth having even if i hate 25 or so of the tracks.
this is only the second volume i have but i thought they all had photos
of fish on the front. this one only has a bad painting of one.
on the ftww front i got another copy on saturday and it's different from
the first insofar as it's a plain orange cd and not a picture cd. first
one was from virgin megastore and the second was from an indie shop
(sister ray). anybody else noticed this? or are you all less sad?
there's also another new stereolab song on a compilation of godz(?)
covers released on lissy's records of streatham, london. very odd.
cheers, andyx (email@example.com)
i is for... i don't know
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:36:08 EDT
i told ms. toomey that i would post that they are doing a small tour opening
for luna, only a few more weeks. both bands were absolutely brilliant when
i saw them friday. highly recommended. after opening for luna, she said they
would be doing a tour of the mid-west. the only cities i remember are
chicago and detroit.
hope this helps,
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:41:21 -0400
On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, lushmuse wrote:
> i was just wondering about that "ladykiller" song someone mentioned on
> the list by lush. i heard there was a new import compilation with a new
> lush song. is this the track? can anyone tell me what the title of this
> compilation is? according to a friend who saw it in a parasol catalog,
> it also had the bluetones, ash, coast, cast, and others. by the way, can
> anyone tell me what the bluetones, coast, and cast sound like? i always
> see coast and cast mentioned together but have no idea what they sound like.
> p.s. how rare is the pale saints' "barging into the presence of god ep"
> on cd?
Well, not sure how rare it is but last I checked, it's in my local CD
shop "Cheap-o" bin for $2.99. If you really want it, I can pick it up for
ya. Just mail me back if you can't find it anywhere else.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:22:36 +0100
"Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" at Sep 16, 95 03:12:31 pm
"Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey"
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:55:36 -0500
> She has a second and third single off And She Closed Her Eyes listed at
> CDE, but of course they can't actually *get* them...
For that matter, when is someone going to get off their butt and create a "Stina
House of Worship" web page? :o
I still haven't been able to get a copy of her first CD which I hear is quite
good, much less track down singles from her other one....
And another thing...
*black rose - instants*
The piano and vocals remind me of a musical that was never made.
Maybe it was, but i don't see musicals so i missed it and fortunately
missed this song too. It's supposed to be sad but you don't feel like
crying unless you're the type that always brings tissues to the theater.
Your story has become tiresome.
I liked the review from the person who went through HV III, but why does Black
Rose always get such a bad rap? I think the Bel Canto and Black Rose tracks on
the CD are my favorite two tracks. I certainly wouldn't compare Mara's singing
to anyone else, or her style for that matter. She has the most emotion-filled
voice and the piano in the background just melts right in. I am drawn to Black
Rose like moth to a flame; how can anyone not love this song?
WHY WHY WHY!?!?
marvynHortman (who is going to rush right out with the fervor he had for Stina
Nordenstam and buy alle thyngs Bel Canto.)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:25:46 -0500
electrafixion (have you heard of them?),
They're a couple of guys from echo and the bunnymen. Ian Maccolough
(whatever) and oh, shit. . .i forget the other one. . .
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:53:23 -0400
This Thursday the 21'st, Projekt artist Love Spirals Downwards will be
closing their summer tour at the Troubadour in Los Angeles with Ivy records'
Faith & Disease (from Seattle) and Tess records' Trance to the Sun. The
Troubador is located at 9081 Santa Monica Blvd in Hollywood and is an all
ages show. Call the Projekt info line at (818) 395-7698 for the latest info.
The Troubador's info line is (310) 276-6168.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:02:36 -0400
On the subject of Adam Ant's "wonderful," he's reunited with his partner from
long ago, Marco. (I think he uses his last name now - it's kinda italian
sounding.....but I can't seem to remember it) Anyway, I'm pretty sure he's
the same Marco from Rema Rema.
Just thought I'd pass it along.......
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:31:31 -0600
well....it was a longlong night for me and everyone else involved but it
was also very wonderful. the show started about 2 hours late, perhaps
later....i don't own a watch.
it was a very intimate show. partly due to the fact that the colorado
scene is so apathetic to actually doing anything that involves something
more than sitting in perkins :) and partly due to how personal the music
came off live. after months of emailing with the band it was wonderful
to meet them and find them just as nice and intelligent as they are
online and on record.
there were a few problems. the late start for one. the sound could have
been a lot better, but there wasn't time for a full soundcheck. and the
band was burnt from an 11hour drive...but that's nothing new in touring....
i can't say much more....i got back to boulder at
3am, skipped my first two classes, forced myself through the last three,
and now i'm being hypnotized by seefeel's _succor_ for the very first
all you californians should go check them out w/lovespiralsdownwards and
trancetothesun. faith&disease make beautiful music, i've aserted this
from the beginning....the live show is very personal...you almost can't
believe it. it's slow but lovely.
i would love to see trance to the sun play again as well....i'm
obsessed with them right now...but that's another story...i better sleep now.
oh, and i got to meet yet another fellow listie. i know all the colorado
people that i'm aware of on this list now (all 2 of them besides me).
any other colorado people out there??? say hello to us. good to meet
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:57:46 -0400
I am a big fan of many current/previous 4AD artists, and I was wondering if
there is a 4AD mailing list which I can subscribe to. If so, please let me
Your help is appreciated.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:31:20 -0500
>i told ms. toomey that i would post that they are doing a small tour opening
>for luna, only a few more weeks. both bands were absolutely brilliant when
>i saw them friday. highly recommended. after opening for luna, she said they
>would be doing a tour of the mid-west. the only cities i remember are
>chicago and detroit.
>hope this helps,
If someone gets ahold of a schedule, please post it to the list. I'd love
to see Luna and like to see Liquorice, but would rather go to Minneapolis
than either of the above two. Or wait, how about Madison (HA!)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:34:30 -0400
Me thinks at this point there should be an entirely different list to argue
this point. Pleaaaassseee, give it a rest!
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:34:39 -0400
Saw the Mimes expecting them to be crappy (actually the second time I've
caught 'em). Was pleasantly sooprised!
They were good and tight, but too short (around 20 minutes). Not just a
studio band, but I'm sure they've had they're days like us all.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:50:36 -0400
Well, it may not be that exciting, but here goes...
You send me a copy of the US/UK promo digipak for Lisa Gerrard's "The Mirror
Pool" and I send you the UK only CD "Facing The Wrong Way." If this sounds
good to you, let me know.
To avoid the irritation of those who think we should only be talking about
4AD on this list and not buying, selling, or trading, please respond personally.
Jeffrey T. Gayton
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:34:38 -0400
The cassette releases featured in the discography of ME ME ME are, as
suspected, an inside joke. A second-hand MRR conversation has confirmed that
any that do exist are in small numbers (a handful for friends of the band and
the like). So get back to searching for Lilliput and etc. and stop worrying
about these damn tapes (and no Simon Le Bon didn't produce this one either).
However, they are giving out free singles at their shows. Be wary of pathetic
sods who stuffed billions down their pants at the shows in hopes of peddling
them to the unfortunate for $50. What jerks!
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:34:12 -0400
When Liquorice played with Luna at the Variety Playhouse this past Saturday,
I talked to Trey Many a bit (he of both Liquorice and H.N.I.A.). I prefaced
my question with a "I know you're probably sick of being asked this...", but
yes H.N.I.A. are very much still together with a new album in the can that is
set to be released, according to him, in early '96. Mr. Many says there will
also be quite an extensive tour to follow.
As for Liquorice, they were very good and they were all very nice and
approachable, so corner if you see 'em. No one there had heard of 'em. I
guess everyone was there to see Luna.
According to Jenny: "Everyone's afraid of my powerful, flowerful poetry".
If you don't own Listening Cap yet. You're either poor or stoopit!
Oh yeah. Finally picked FAC 179 (after only 8 years of searching). It's
gonna' take me for a ride!
RIBBON | 3000-A Cook Street | Birmingham, AL 35209
issue 3 to (tentatively) feature: kendra smith, verbena, little red rocket,
tarnation, red house painters, throwing muses, liquorice, f.s.a., palace, and
interviews w/ mark air miami, and possibly verbena
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 18:51:01 -0700
On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Roy Burns wrote:
> Me thinks at this point there should be an entirely different list to argue
> this point. Pleaaaassseee, give it a rest!
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 18:45:27 -0700
On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Sung Shim wrote:
> >Speaking of Clear and stuff that only comes out on shitty vinyl so I can
> >only listen to it at my grandparents house which is five hours away :)
> Simply buy a good turntable, there is so much awesome stuff that is
> only available on vinyl, I don't know how I would survive w/o one now.
I do buy all the vinyl I want, and it doesn't amount to much. I can
barely afford the CDs i buy, and i buy more of those than anyone I know.
I don't need a vinyl addiction too. :) Maybe once I have completely given
up on rock and roll I will get into the vinyl-only dance foolishness...
> Spanners was ass-kicking, although perhaps not comparable to the
> CLASSIC _Bytes_, who can say if that will ever be toppled by anyone.
I personally hate Spanners, and there is not an awful lot of music I even
dislike. It is such a mess. The collaborative meltdown is almost tangible
in most of the music. Thank God for Plaid because that third guy was
starting to really get on my nerves. I want to reach into the soundscape
of Spanners, grab him by the throat, and yank him out! Bytes is indeed a
classic, and yes: perhaps unmatched in its category.
einexile, who is NOT purchasing the next "Black Dog" album
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 21:50:04 +0600
>For that matter, when is someone going to get off their butt and create a
>House of Worship" web page? :o
Yeah, or perhaps a newsgroup: alt.music.notquite4ad.stinahouseofworship
reasons for newsgroup format:
1) then we get that nifty "alt" at the beginning just in case we
weren't feeling alternative enough.
2) we could introduce a whole bunch of newbies to Stina. (E. g.,
3) the "notquite4ad" in the title would clue them in to the fact
that although Stina is not on 4ad her sound is quite "thislisty" and their
"Stina Sucks!" posts should be crossposted to 4ad-l.
4) those of us "in the know" about Stina could either complain
about how difficult it is to get her CD's even though she's on a major
label OR brag to those who are trying to find them about how we just got
her debut in a cutout bin for $3.
OK, i'm joking. I actually would love to see a Stina House of Worship
webpage. I'll make a free dub of her two full length albums to anyone who
has the technical ability and time to create a Stina House of Worship
webpage but hasn't heard enough of her music to know if (s)he wants to.
>>*black rose - instants*
>> The piano and vocals remind me of a musical that was never made.
>>Maybe it was, but i don't see musicals so i missed it and fortunately
>>missed this song too. It's supposed to be sad but you don't feel like
>>crying unless you're the type that always brings tissues to the theater.
>Your story has become tiresome.
>I liked the review from the person who went through HV III, but why does Black
>Rose always get such a bad rap? I think the Bel Canto and Black Rose tracks on
>the CD are my favorite two tracks. I certainly wouldn't compare Mara's singing
>to anyone else, or her style for that matter. She has the most emotion-filled
>voice and the piano in the background just melts right in. I am drawn to Black
>Rose like moth to a flame; how can anyone not love this song?
>WHY WHY WHY!?!?
Yay, discussion! I was hoping someone would question my likes or
dislikes. Well to refresh my memory i relistened to that track just a
second ago and here's my reply: This is a song that on the first 1-5
listens is slightly annoying because of her affected voice (i wouldn't
compare it to anyone else's either). This is a song that might sound a
lot better on a worse compilation. Of course when i say 'worse' i just
mean according to my tastes--i don't like throwing IMHO's all over because
EVERY music review is written from opinion. I don't dislike the song
enough to use my programmable CD player (which i do quite often). On
repeated listens this song has become much more enjoyable although it still
remains one of the weakest on the album. It took me a long time to
appreciate Sinead's musical covers but i eventually came to love them.
Maybe this song, which, as i said, reminds me of a musical, will grow on me
similarly. I didn't know it was trendy to give Black Rose a bad rap or i
would have raved about them just to avoid trendiness. ;)
Isn't it difficult when you have to hate everything that's popular in order
to be cool. There's a fine line between trendy and reactionary and the
two extremes meet on the other side of the circle. But i digress.
>marvynHortman (who is going to rush right out with the fervor he had for Stina
>Nordenstam and buy alle thyngs Bel Canto.)
YES YES YES, go out and buy those Bel Canto CD's before they go out of
print, then join us on the dewy-fields mailing list (soon to be put into
newsgroup format as "alt.music.everchanginglabel.BellKanToe").
"I pass death with the dying, and birth with the new-washed babe. . . . and
am not contained between my hat and boots..." -Walt Whitman