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Subject: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:01:42 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: AIRMIAMIPEANUTS:you people are weird! :)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:18:40 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Whoops!
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:33:45 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Cocteau remixes by Seefeel
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 06:14:09 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Volume www site
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:41:43 +0500
From: Dmitri Bender (db@TWIST.MARK-ITT.RU)
Subject: Red House Painters/4AD
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:16:35 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Liquorice
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:33:20 CDT
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@ANDERSEN.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad release UK schedule
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:11:55 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau remixes by Seefeel
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:58:44 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: tarnation shows
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:09:18 -0700
From: "Scott G. Hamilton" (ska4me@WAVENET.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins News...
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:13:28 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:54:47 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: tarnation shows
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:15:44 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins News...
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:11:04 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:15:51 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Pygmalion
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:24:44 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Medicine/Long Fin Killie/Sixteen Deluxe
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:52:54 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bad News
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:34:14 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Rune Sandnes (rune@nvg.unit.no)
Subject: Bad News
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:29:45 +0200
From: Stig S. Bakken (ssb@psyche.bibsys.no)
Subject: Re: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:56:43 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:51:11 -0600
From: anricat (mazonas@UCSUB.COLORADO.EDU)

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:01:42 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins


(Just in case anyone was uncertain of what it ought to be called.)

of thing as long as it is alt.hierarchy.stuff we are talking about. So if
everyone wants this newsgroup I can newgroup it if no one else can.

under the 4AD hierarchy; then people will see it coming from either
direction but it won't take away from the 4AD whatzit since most of the
important stuff will be crossposted. (For this same reason I think a new
mailing list would be a *really* bad idea.)


 einexile, semi-officially a closet alt.config nerd

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:18:40 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: AIRMIAMIPEANUTS:you people are weird! :)


On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, .bigloveeyes. wrote:

> i can't believe i got so many requests for those airmiami peanuts.  what
> do you people do with these things????

They're suppositories.

> as i got so many requests i'm not really sure what to do with them.

Give them to me. I already have so much Unrest stuff I don't have any use
for, I might as well have some Air Miami stuff I have no use for too.
That is, after all, in the spirit of the band's music. :)

> tempted to just open them up and eat them....but i don't trust 4ad or
> mark robinson....they might be poisoned.  maybe i should open them up then
> cut the package into tiny pieces.  then i'll send each one of you a single
> peanut with a piece of the stickered package taped to it.  how's that
> sound?

I think it sounds mean! :~o

> i think i'll make you sillies work for this.....i want long, well written
> messages (prose or poetry) explaining why you should have these peanuts.

I should have these peanuts as mu just rewards for writing the best poem
about a peanut ever to grace this listserv!


free shit
(by einexile)

one day alas it came to pass
i'd tossed me snack up in the sky
and when came down, i stumbled me for'rd
an' there it fell right in me orb!
this dumb old man, he sittin there,
he gets up and he stumbles here:
a sailor man with a big fat hat
and a stinky pipe and an idiot grin:
"son ye've got a problem son;
ye got a peanut in yer eye!
my my my," the fossil grumbled
and doddered he away so that
i seen him no more then, but hey,
it wasn't all that bad a day;
silly fuck, he left his hat. :)


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:33:45 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Whoops!


> Sourpuss and Belinda Backwards.  I think that the singer's voice ruined
> Sourpuss for me, and I haven't listened to Belinda Backwards very much.
> It's not that bad.  I just expected soft, dark, moody music featuring
> Chris's piano playing ability.

Who could resists the pussy cat with the wings on the cover of
"Sourpuss". The other, earlier, LPs are "Songs of Praise" (1986) and
"Blowtorch" (1988). Both of them are (or perhaps were would be more
correct) on Further Records. Probably through Blast First? I really
like her voice, though its not much in evidence on the earlier stuff.
I was initially uneasy with the BEAR single because of the woman singing on
that, but I really like it now. Voices are a thing with me, one I
don't like can ruin a perfectly good band. By the way who are Bardo
Pond (other side of the BEAR single) and what do they sound like when
not recorded through a dishclothe in someone's front room?

>Once I get over my initial disappointment,
> I should warm up to them.  Who are Dust Devils and Kilgore Trout?

All three bands seem to be fairly close arising from some grim South
Yorkshire city. I saw the Dust Devils supporting the Swans, as I did
AC Temple for the first time on the Swans' previous tour. I only ever
found one twelve inch "The Dropping Well" Rouska (?) 1987. I haven't
really looked for a few years. Kilgore Trout are as far as I can tell
a Mr Kilgore and a Mr Trout. I am sure I saw them listed in the Melody
Maker last week as playing in Brighton, so they may still be about.
I have a compilation "Rorschach Blot Test" Jim Crow 1988, which apart
from not being in very good nick, has all three bands on and is quite
wonderful.The only thing is the bands are all so similar,
incestuous?, that if your not paying careful attention it could be an
LP of the same band.

Hope this is vaguely useful/interesting.

(I know this was sent direct to me and sorry to put it back on the
list, but I have not got the hang of this yet and deleted erics
address line - oops)

Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"Only dead fish swim with the stream" The Ex


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 06:14:09 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Cocteau remixes by Seefeel


I was just listening to _Victorialand_ for the first time in ages and
wondering about the remix of "Feet-Like Fins" that Mark Clifford will be
doing. I'm really curious as to how it will turn out - I mean, of all the
Cocteau Twins' songs, this isn't one that immediately suggests remixing (but
then which one does?). It could be a radical reworking but as long as he
doesn't throw out the panning acoustic I'll be happy...

BTW thanks to whoever it was (no longer have the message) who posted the
review of the Pram/Long Fin Killie/Jessamine/Laika show in NYC - I really
appreciate it.

File under "clueless": in the fine tradition of the Medicine review that
identified the singer as Liz Fraser, today's _Toronto Star_ features an
interview with Laika in which the writer constantly refers to Margaret
Fiedler as Margaret *Aedler*. Doh!

Larry

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:41:43 +0500
From: Dmitri Bender (db@TWIST.MARK-ITT.RU)
Subject: Volume www site


einexile asked where to find Volume 12 & 13 tracks - well, take a look at
their WWW:





Dmitri Bender......... db@mark-itt.ru .................................
.............."Nothing is beautiful from every point of view"....Horace


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:16:35 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Red House Painters/4AD


Found this on ALT.MUSIC.4AD:


>Various postings and news stories have been circulating over Red House
Painters >and their relationship with 4AD. The real truth is, I'm afraid,
far less interesting. The >band was certainly not 'dropped', and to say that
Mark was unwilling to promote >the releases was untrue. Various financial
criteria have to be met to make a tour >possible, and like the case for
Lush's proposed US tour and Liquorice's UK tour, >these weren't met. Another
reason for the 'split' was Mark and Ivo simply not being >able to agree on a
tracklisting and certain edits, and we're not in the habit of >releasing a
record a band is not 100% happy with. Red House Painters deal was >never
'long term' - they and us preferred to work record to record, again
dismissing >the idea that they could be dropped. I hope this ends the
argument, as some of >the pieces both ourselves and Mark have seen has done
neither 4AD and Red >House Painters any favours. We are sorry not to be
working with them and wish >them the best of luck. Down Colorfull Hill will
remain, in my opinion, one of the >greatest debut albums ever recorded.

>Cliff Walton
>4AD Ltd

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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:33:20 CDT
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@ANDERSEN.COM)
Subject: Liquorice


Those interested...

Liquorice apparently are scheduled to play Lounge Ax on Monday, October 2.
Chad Burkey                                             Andersen Consulting
burkey@andersen.com                Center for Strategic Technology Research
                          I speak only for myself


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:11:55 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad release UK schedule


I wouldn't feel dumb about asking 4AD about the Lush EP....This month's
Alternative Press has a Lush EP listed for 4AD UK release in September.
So blame AP.

On a related topic, does Alternative Press no longer consider Cocteau
Twins to be within the interests of their readership? Everyone has known
that the "Twinlights" EP will be out this month, but AP has not had it
listed in their upcoming releases at _all_. Odd... HMV did, however,
make mention of it in their recent promo flyer.

Mike
Iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:58:44 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau remixes by Seefeel


I think one possible lure of "Feet-Like Fins" would be the percussion that
comes in 'round the middle of the song.  Some good ideas for a broader
ambient mix of the song could come from that.

In addition, I would say that a song from 'Victorialand' was chosen be-
cause that album is often on the list of 'Most Influential Ambient
Recordings of All Time' or something like that.  At least I know that
'Victorialand' has been cited on several occasions by more than one
ambient artist as having been very influential...


In other 4AD news...

Air Miami - "Me Me Me" -- great album. This is fantastic! I actually
                          like this incarnation better than Unrest. I
                          like how they toy around with electronics more
                          on this record.

Tarnation - "Gentle Creatures" -- This is different...Thankfully, I was
                                  adequately prepared by others on the
                                  list. I love Patsy Cline, so this is
                                  nice. I don't really care for the
                                  Mr. Johnny Cash vocals of that guy
                                  (whose name escapes me). The artwork/
                                  insert is also pretty good, although
                                  I HATE this typeface that V23 won't
                                  stop using. What's WITH that? But
                                  the sepiatoned photos are nice and the
                                  paper is also of good quality. And
                                  these lyrics are great, too. If all
                                  country musicians wrote such lyrics
                                  (as opposed to "There's a tear in my
                                  beer.." or "I've got friends in low
                                  places..."), it might actually be
                                  tolerable.  But Tarnation are more like
                                  art-country than straight country.
                                  Definitely along the lines of the original
                                  article, not this rednecked-up crap
                                  one chokes on nowadays.

Mojave - "Ask Me Tomorrow" -- Mojave3? Whatever... This is very nice. I
                              hate country music, but this whole country
                              thing is rather refreshing nonetheless. And
                              only Neil and Rachel could make it sound so
                              heartfelt and pure. This is quiet and honest,
                              along the lines of "Here She Comes", "Dagger",
                              and "Country Rain". "Love Songs On the Radio"
                              is exactly the kind of song I'd expect to hear
                              on the radio, waking up to some New Mexico
                              sunrise...erm..sorry. That sounded cheesy.

"Facing the Wrong Way" -- I shit my pants when I saw this sitting in a
                          local shop. Glad to have it, although there's
                          nothing on it I don't now already have in some
                          form or other. But it's still pretty cool, and
                          really interesting if you play it right after,
                          say, Lonely Is An Eyesore. Hard to believe this
                          is the same record label. But I find it difficult
                          to fault 4AD most of the time, so I don't con-
                          sider the difference a bad one.

Just my lousy 2 cents' worth.


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:09:18 -0700
From: "Scott G. Hamilton" (ska4me@WAVENET.COM)
Subject: Re: tarnation shows


tarnation also appeared live on kcrw in santa monica wednesday (i taped it,
if anyone's interested).  it was the first time i'd gotten to hear them, and
after seeing so many people bag on them, i don't get it.  i thought their
music was beautiful, hypnotic, and near brilliant.  i was fortunate enough
to win an autographed copy of their cd after the show, but even if i hadn't,
i would have been buying it, because this is one disc i can see myself
playing for a long, long time.

scott


>As I said yesterday, Wednesday has Pram and Tarnation at Luna Park.
>This is not a free show, and I don't suspect it will sell out.
>
>Then Tarnation plays a free show on Thursday at Spaceland,
>and on Friday at the No Life record store.
>
>That's "what in tarnation is going on" at the moment.
>
>|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
>| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
>| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
>| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>
>

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:13:28 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins News...


I don't know how frequently everyone here checks out the Cocteaus'
WWW Page, but here's some new news from Simon...

I thought that you would all like to know that we have just finished a
short film featuring two songs from Twinlights EP.Shot by ourselves
and filmaker Dirk Van Dooren, it will be ready in a week or so.It is
without doubt the most beautiful thing I've ever seen about us.Ring
your local TV stations and pester them to show it, as it will be a
tragedy if no-one sees it!By the way Twinlights Uk release is now
25th September, due to a pressing hiccup.God bless, Simon XXX
Simon Raymonde

------------------------------

*sigh*  Now if only Capitol and/or Fontana would release this on video,
perhaps along with all the other Cocteau Twins promos that one can only
ever get via bootleg...

I don't see any of the major networks here falling over each other to
show a Cocteau Twins film on TV.  MAYBE MTV's 120 Minutes or something
might RISK it, but I doubt it.  They wouldn't want to alienate their
viewers by showing something that's actually GOOD for a change...


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:54:47 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins

              einexile the meek on Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:01:42 -0700)

>of thing as long as it is alt.hierarchy.stuff we are talking about. So if
>everyone wants this newsgroup I can newgroup it if no one else can.
>
>under the 4AD hierarchy; then people will see it coming from either
>direction but it won't take away from the 4AD whatzit since most of the
>important stuff will be crossposted. (For this same reason I think a new
>mailing list would be a *really* bad idea.)

Jesus H. Christ, did I just post a message about a week ago in regards
to setting up newsgroups...newsgroups such as these that have such a
narrow focus?

You're not exactly doing the Net a favour by wasting bandwidth with
these silly newsgroups.  Stick to the mailing list--if it ain't broke,
don't fix it!

--
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()   Phone: 619.626.2000  Pager: 619.632.3201            San Diego, CA   |


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:15:44 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: tarnation shows


Does anyone have any more info on the Tarnation show in SF?

Thanks,
Jake


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:11:04 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins News...


Capitol is definitely doing *something* with this
video. Whether it's an actual release or if they're
just promoting it to video channels I don't know.
I expect to see it within a week and I'll post
a description.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:15:51 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio


> sigh. . .I'll repeat.  Doesn't anyone read my posts (whine).  The latest AP
> has the CD's label listed as "4AD UK" instead of the 4AD they usually use.
>
> bye,
>
> eric
>


Ouch.... [reverting back to pre-teenhood]  excuuuuse me for living!

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:24:44 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Pygmalion


Thanks to a list member, I just heard Slowdive's
Pygmalion last night. Yikes! Mind you, the last thing I heard
by them was Just For A Day, and I'll probably love it eventually,
but Pygmalion really surprised and disappointed me. Sounds like
they've been listening to a good deal of Bark Psychosis; not
necessarily a bad thing; but to so completely abandon your past...

For Thad Engeling:
your friend Paul.Rankine@mail.sema.co.uk has lost contact with you.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:52:54 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Medicine/Long Fin Killie/Sixteen Deluxe


Is anyone in houston going to this show at the Urban Art Bar this Sunday?
If so, mail me! I'm planning to be there. st5c0@jetson.uh.edu...

thanks, Lisa

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:04:49 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: GRRRR...


RRRRR!! >:#

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:34:14 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Rune Sandnes (rune@nvg.unit.no)
Subject: Re: Bad News


On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Stig S. Bakken wrote:
> said that the new album would not be released in Norway before next
> year.  This is the same time as it will be released in the rest of the

Their record company also prohibits Bel Canto from holding concerts=20
before the album release. A concert in Trondheim this autumn had to be=20
cancelled because of that. Agh!

=09=09=09=09=09=09Rune
--=20
Rune Sandnes=09=09=09=09=09"Jag tror p=E5 TV och

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:04:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Bad News (fwd from Bel Canto list)


Grrr...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:29:45 +0200
From: Stig S. Bakken (ssb@psyche.bibsys.no)
Subject: Bad News


My gf heard an interview with Anneli on the radio today, and Anneli
said that the new album would not be released in Norway before next
year.  This is the same time as it will be released in the rest of the
world.  The reason was supposed to be that the record company was
afraid of pirate copies.  (I'm not quite sure about the reason, I
didn't hear the interview myself.)

They might release a single before that, though.

Oh, and I think the title of the album was going to be "Magic Box".

Did anyone else in Norway hear this interview?

 - Stig

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:56:43 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins


On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Michael S. Fischer wrote:

> >Pro: I have done the alt.config thing before and am expert at that sort
> >of thing as long as it is alt.hierarchy.stuff we are talking about. So if
> >everyone wants this newsgroup I can newgroup it if no one else can.
>
> Jesus H. Christ, did I just post a message about a week ago in regards
> to setting up newsgroups...newsgroups such as these that have such a
> narrow focus?
>
> You're not exactly doing the Net a favour by wasting bandwidth with
> these silly newsgroups.  Stick to the mailing list--if it ain't broke,
> don't fix it!

Uh, hello? It's called the alt hierarchy. the SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR looks
at the control message or the arguments for and against or the source of
the messages involved, and if by his standards the newsgroup is a waste
of bandwidth, HE DOESN'T ADD IT. And he will not worry about everyone
else's bandwidth because the new group isn't likely to generate any new
traffic.

Who has not been reading the mail? It has not been established that the
list aint broke. Some people think it is. I am not one of them, but I do
think there are a lot of Cocteau Twins fans out there who don't know
about 4AD as a label and would benefit from that knowledge. The proposed
newsgroup isn't just 4ad-l letting off some steam but a means of
incorporating something that is splitting off from there. The newsgroup
is going to be added sooner or later and I personally dislike the idea of
someone adding alt.fan.cocteautwins, alt.music.ambient.cocteau-twins,
etc. If you don't want the group formed, argue against the proposal when
it is made; don't whine that people are thinking of proposing it in the
first place.

e


Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:51:11 -0600
From: anricat (mazonas@UCSUB.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins


Excuse me Mr. Einexile?  What exactly is your point?  I hate reading long
posts....I usually don't waste my time and I don't think I have even
posted on this list before...I just lurk.  But why are you being so
insulting?  It seems to me that the majority of the people on this list
thinks the Cocteau Twins list or newsgroup is pointless because all that
is worth discussing about the band is posted here.  If you want to start
this alt.music.4ad.cocteau-twins (my damn hands got tired just typing the
newgroup!!) then just shut up and do it.  Don't sit there and insult
people who think it is a crummy idea.  Enough about this topic...I am
sick of hitting the delete key!
Anri

> Uh, hello? It's called the alt hierarchy. the SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR looks
> at the control message or the arguments for and against or the source of
> the messages involved, and if by his standards the newsgroup is a waste
> of bandwidth, HE DOESN'T ADD IT. And he will not worry about everyone
> else's bandwidth because the new group isn't likely to generate any new
> traffic.
>
> Who has not been reading the mail? It has not been established that the
> list aint broke. Some people think it is. I am not one of them, but I do
> think there are a lot of Cocteau Twins fans out there who don't know
> about 4AD as a label and would benefit from that knowledge. The proposed
> newsgroup isn't just 4ad-l letting off some steam but a means of
> incorporating something that is splitting off from there. The newsgroup
> is going to be added sooner or later and I personally dislike the idea of
> someone adding alt.fan.cocteautwins, alt.music.ambient.cocteau-twins,
> etc. If you don't want the group formed, argue against the proposal when
> it is made; don't whine that people are thinking of proposing it in the
> first place.
>
> e
>

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