4ad-l Mail for 09-14-1995

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Subject: air miami peanuts
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:46:22 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: more tarnation shows
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:48:43 -0700
From: "Paul C. Eastham" (paul@BRAIN.CS.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: HELP UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:23:45 -0400
From: Jim Jones (jimj@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins email list or newsgroup
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:18:55 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: neue Current 93, Death in June, LPD
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:39:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Air Miami?
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:59:55 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: First Annual 4AD Essay Contest
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:22:30 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:11:08 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: The Muse Is Loose (in DC...)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:03:57 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: FAQ Pt. 2
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:54:18 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave -> Mojave 3
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:54:45 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: tarnation and pram
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:04:16 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Volumes 12 and 13
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:27:54 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: I see my post has been answered, about the Mojave delay
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:40:48 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hello gang
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:21:08 -0400
From: Rodgre@AOL.COM
Subject: Seperate Cocteau List
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:55:58 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: list down?
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:44:42 -0400
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: (EC) nudes
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:19:01 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Unsubscribe
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:21:41 +0200
From: DESSERT Eric et REFFLE Jean-Marie (dessert@RHONE.CULTURE.FR)
Subject: pale nudes? naked saints? saintly nudists?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:14:25 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Boos
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:04:50 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: FAQ Part 1
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:51:15 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Cocteaus, Slowdive, Mouse on Mars
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:53:48 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Dewdrops Records?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:44:18 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Whoops!
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:52:29 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: air miami peanuts
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:46:44 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: sorry
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:54:19 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: air miami peanuts
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:42:34 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Dewdrops Records?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:49:51 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:47:12 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: FAQ Part 1
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:13:08 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dewdrops Records?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:31:14 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: FAQ Part 1
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:33:17 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: mojavedelay....
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:47:49 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: AIRMIAMIPEANUTS:you people are weird! :)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:37:47 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:31:07 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins email list or newsgroup
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:28:35 -0400
From: Bert Vincent Laonipon (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whoops!
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:52:05 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Digest frequency
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:17:04 EDT
From: TOM HOMULKA (THOMULKA@SPL.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: RHP @ Berkeley Square 9/22
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:40:16 MDT
From: BCLAUXX0 (bclauxx0@CCMAIL.WCC.COM)
Subject: 4ad release UK schedule
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:29:48 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Air Miami?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:38:09 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Volumes 12 and 13
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:36:31 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: 4ad release UK schedule
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:54:45 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:42:56 -0700
From: Jason the Ferret King (JASONS@LITTLE-BOBBY.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins email list or newsgroup
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:49:02 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mouse on Mars
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:39:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" (HEllens@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: 4ad release UK schedule
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:23:28 -0700
From: josh@ASU.EDU
Subject: St. John's indescribable blight
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:09:12 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:46:22 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: air miami peanuts


okay, who wants a package of peanuts with an air miami sticker on it???

.....i wonder, do those record companies really think that sillystuff
like this will encourage music directors to add their releases?

i'll give this to anyone for free.

....la la la....mark.

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:48:43 -0700
From: "Paul C. Eastham" (paul@BRAIN.CS.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: more tarnation shows


Hi list,
I just heard that Tarnation is playing a show this Sunday at the Kilowatt
Club in San Francisco.  I don't have any more info than that.
Paul


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:23:45 -0400
From: Jim Jones (jimj@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: HELP UNSUBSCRIBE


On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Jesus Aranda wrote:

> hello, i really need help unsubscribing.  I've tried it twice before and got
> nothing. so if there is someone out there willing to pull the plug on the
> list for me i would really appreciate it. neither my name or adress are on the
> list of subscribers so that won't work.

 I'm sending this to the list to keep 20 people from trying to help!
 I've sent some commands to try to find Jesus' subscriptions and will
 remove him from the list ASAP.  Now if neither his name nor his e-mail
 address *are* on the list (as per the above), then this might be a tricky
 task. :)  But regardless I'll do my best to resolve the problem.

 Cheers,
 -jj

 PS - I might be in San Francisco (or Mountain View?) next Fri/Sat on
 business.  I'd appreciate private e-mail (or post if you think it's of
 general intereste) with suggestions on where I might want to go to see
 a show while there. I never have any trouble finding great food, or
 friendly bars to socialize in, but I don't know the club scene.  I can
 be reached the address in the mail header, jimj@clark.net, as well as
 via mail to jimj@request.net and jjones@discovery.com too.  Mail to
 ClarkNet tends to get buried in mail delivery notices (over 300 in
 the last 24 hour!), so try the request.net mailbox first. :)

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:18:55 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins email list or newsgroup


On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:

> I have been thinking of a separate Cocteau Twins email list or
> newsgroup for sometime.  This has been brought up on the list before
> by others and been dismissed.

i don't know if you wanted a private note or not....but i think this is
worthy list material....so here we go.

i really think there's no need for this.  this list is so wonderful
because we discuss so many different things and half the time it's not
pure-4ad bands, but things we consider thislisty.

also, it says in the FAQ that bands that used to be on 4ad are completely
suitable topics for discussion.

finally, jens and everyone else have done a wonderful job putting
together a lot of cocteau information in the FAQ.  there's such a strong
cocteau fan base on this list that it would seem pointless to have a
seperate one......

hmmmmmm.....just my thoughts.....

                .cindytalkiswonderfulialmostcantstandit.
             .mark.

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:39:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: neue Current 93, Death in June, LPD


This is from the ear@xmission.com pre-orders list. It's too late to
pre-order them (he sent it out an hour before the order was due) but I
thought a few people on here would be happy to hear about these.

---

Current 93 - Where the Long Shadows Fall Part 1 MLP/CD $14.00
First new C93 material since 1993 is Part 1 of the "Inmost Light"
Trilogy.  The vinyl is a claer one-sided 12" and the CD comes with a
full-colour booklet.  Both formats limited to 2000.

Death in June-Black Hole of Love Baxset BADVC39 $53.00
Very limited boxset contains a 7"/10"/12"/CDS of the title track
"Leopard Flowers" plus new versions of "Luther's Army", "God's Golden
Sperm", "Accidental Protege", "Omen Filled Season", and "Lifebooks".
Comes with a full color poster and postcar@ encased in a sealed leather
finished box with foil lettering. All the vinyl will be deleted after
the box is sold out.  There will be no re-press.

---

Is there anyone else here who is into this stuff but not on wsd-l or the
LPD list, etc? I can't handle the mail load on those lists so I don't
subscribe, so if anyone on this list hears the C93 record could you maybe
post a review or something? Also I think the Legendary Pink Dots have a
new proper album out and I would like to know anything there is to know
about this one. Thanks. :)

In other news, yesterday I bought Death in June's _Ostenbraun_, a reissue
of a cassette from 1989, and am quite pleased. Most of it is unfamiliar
material. It is entirely ambien/.noise oriented, meaning NO guitar, but
quite pretty and atmospheric, though sometimes it is boring. Also snapped
up LPD's Chemical Playschool 8&9 double CD and am way happy with it.
Anyone who is pissed off at Edward and the gang's recent work (other than
the hiphophappenin 9 Lives to Wonder) should find this a welcome breath
of fresh air (not to mention good music).


 einexile, whose Fax collection is about to overtake his 4AD collection...


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:59:55 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Air Miami?


was I the only one who couldn't find the Air Miami cd
in any stores Tuesday? The 12th was the scheduled release
date, right? The store owners (I went to about 4 stores,
ranging from Mom&Pop to Mega-chains) couldn't figure out
why they didn't have it. Is it possible that the release
date was pushed back at the last minute? or is Indiana\
just last on the list of good-music-distribution...

mike


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:22:30 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: First Annual 4AD Essay Contest


It gives me great pleasure to announce, in the spirit of listie camaraderie,
the First Annual 4AD Internet Essay Contest.  First prize is a brand new,
shiny 1995 promo-only Air Miami giveaway 7" of "I Hate Milk Milk (remix)" b/w
"Afternoon Train Train (remix)", handed out to the first 200 patrons at the
Air Miami/Throwing Muses gig here in Washington DC on 9/12/95.  This is sure
to become a hotly-pursued collector's item (or not, who knows, but what the
hey, it's free).

To win, just submit to the list no later than SEPTEMBER 19, 1995  a
composition of 250 words or less on the following theme:

"If I Were Managing Director, My Masterplan For Leading 4AD To World
Domination By 1999 Would Be..."

Entries will be judged on business and marketing acumen, musical knowledge,
wit, style, grammar, punctuation and that ability to count to 250.

All entries should be clearly labeled as such in the the subject line.  All
entries become the property of oblivion, except the winner.  The judge's
decision is final.  Void where prohibited by law, good taste, common sense,
or simply having something better to do with your time.  Relatives or
employees of Dave G. are not eligible for anything but grief.

May the best listoid win.  No grouches, please.  You may already be a winner!

Dave G.

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:11:08 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio


        This evening I heard a DJ back announce the "Radio Love Song" by
Mojave. (KCRW in So. Calif) I missed the song since I was making dinner,
BUT she said that the album, _Ask Me Tomorrow_, would be released in January,
that its release date was pushed back...

Can anyone with better connections (lil goth Ivo?) confirm or debunk this?
Someone, tell me I was hearing things.(?)
I was kind of looking forward to hearing it, even though I haven't heard
"Radio Love Song." There are promos out and everything......
This looks suspiciously like a trick they (4ad-Warner US) pulled with
_Funky Lil Demons_.

-lil nick

[Thanks for that flame Rob; I haven't been slandered that well for a
while. Sorry if the humor I intended in my congratulations to Ivo on
his internship didn't come across.]


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:03:57 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: The Muse Is Loose (in DC...)


Throwing Muses put on a fine show at DC's historic 9:30 Club earlier this
evening.  Aside from the annoying girl who kept screaming "YOU CAGE!"
(Kristin's riposte:  "I don't know the words...") and the jim-bob standing in
front of me who kept invading my personal space, it was pure bliss, the sound
gremlins that plagued the band last time around blessedly ironed out.  The
big surprises were Kristin's new hair (ultra-short, almost cadet length, even
shorter than a standard issue 1990's riot grrl huggybear), the dusting off of
a couple of tunes from the first CD ("America," "Vicky's Box"), a cover of
the Volcano Suns' "Jak," and some brand new numbers (four by my count, give
or take), one of which was a climax-laden blazer and another of which sounded
like an outtake from "Taking Tiger Mountain."  These numbers hold great
promise for the upcoming Muses full-lengther.  The band seems to get tighter
and more comfortable with each other every time around, although I had the
feeling about halfway through the set that a second guitar to paste some
flesh on the power-trio bones might be something for KH to consider further
on up the road.  Aces.

Air Miami, on the release date of their new CD, did a good set of shiny,
unassuming pop tunes.  Live, Air Miami = Unrest = finely crafted pop nuggets,
unspectacularly delivered.  The only real jawdropper was "Dolphin
Expressway," the song chosen (and rightly so) for the "think I'm getting the
hang of it" CD sampler.  I'm starting to think that  AM will always be a
studio band, a fact that may keep me home from their October gig, but
 doesn't diminish one iota my enthusiasm for buying "Me, Me, Me."

Other opinions on other shows, as the tour treks through Amerika?

Dave G.

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:54:18 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: FAQ Pt. 2


COMPILATIONS

Twins,
Dead Can Dance, This Mortal Coil, Throwing Muses, Dif Juz and more.) In
addition to the usual LP, CD, cassette and videocassette versions, there is
a
limited-edition LP with a sleeve of mind-blowing complexity and beauty
(according to those who've seen it.) There is even an extremly limited
wooden
box version. Only 100 were made, and if you ever find one, expect to pay at
least $800 for it. Brant Nelson says "there's one near where I live and the
owner wants over $2000!"
Album track listing:
1. Colourbox - "Hot Doggie"
2. This Mortal Coil - "Acid, Bitter and Sad"
3. Dead Can Dance - "Frontier"
4. Throwing Muses - "Fish"
5. Wolfgang Press - "Cut The Tree"
6. Cocteau Twins - "Crushed"
7. Dif Juz - "No Motion"
8. Clan of Xymox - "Muscoviet Mosquito"
9. Dead Can Dance - "The Protagonist"
The video includes the same tracks, in the order: 3, 6, 2, 4, 8, 5, 1, 7,
9.

promotional release only to mark 4AD joining with Warner Bros. It was sent
to
radio stations, stores and the press and was never  available for purchase.
It contains two CDs; one of older material, one of new material:
    Liliput 1
Bauhaus - Dark Entries
The The - Controversial Subject
The Birthday Party - Nick The Stripper
Modern English - I Melt With You
This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren
Xmal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus II
Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker
Xymox - Stranger
Colourbox - Baby, I Love You So
Throwing Muses - Hate My Way
Dif Juz - No Motion
M/A/R/R/S - Pump Up The Volume
Ultra Vivid Scene - Mercy Seat
Dead Can Dance - The Host Of Seraphim
Pixies - Monkey Gone To Heaven
Lush - De-luxe
    Lilliput 2
Pale Saints - Throwing Back The Apple
Pale Saints - Featherframe
The Wolfgang Press - A Girl Like You
The Wolfgang Press - Birmingham
Michael Brook - Breakdown
Michael Brook - Urbana
Spirea X - Chlorine Dream
Spirea X - Signed D.C
Heidi Berry - Gloria
His Name Is Alive - Are We Still Married?
Swallow - Tastes Like Honey
Swallow - Follow Me Down

Copies have been sighted in used record stores for up to $100. Good luck
finding one.

to stores and radio stations. Copies were also given out at the CMJ shows
last year.
Track listing:
The Wolfgang Press             sucker m.f. (remix)
    remixed by Martyn Young (M.A.R.R.S./Colourbox)
Swallow                        lovesleep
Red House Painters             michael
Throwing Muses                 pearl
Lush                           nothing natural
Spirea X                       chlorine dream
Belly                          dusted
His Name is Alive              the dirt eaters
Michael Brook                  shona bridge
The Breeders                   do you love me now?
Pale Saints                    blue flower
The Birthday Party             sonny's burning
Modern English                 melt with you
Pixies                         u-mass
...plus a hidden bonus track:
This Mortal Coil               Song To The Siren


Savage
Republic) from Independent Project Records in Sedona, AZ. (Trivia: what 4AD
song mentions this town?) In typical Licher fashion, eight different color
combinations were printed. The CD holder is entirely cardboard, with a
fold-out insert containing the CD. 4AD plans on periodically releasing
these
retail samplers which will  probably include a hidden track on each one.
Belly - Feed The Tree
Ultra Vivid Scene - Blood And Thunder
Frank Black - Los Angeles
Heidi Berry - The Moon And The Sun
Red House Painters - Rollercoaster
Dead Can Dance - The Carnival Is Over
His Name Is Alive - In Every Ford
Unrest - Teenage Suicide
Underground Lovers - Promenade
This Mortal Coil - You And Your Sister
Matt Johnson - Another Boy Drowning
Dance Chapter - Anonymity (hidden track)

Lush                    - Desire Lines (demo)
Kristin Hersh           - Your Ghost (demo)
Red House Painters      - Mistress (remix)
Underground Lovers      - Your Eyes (remix)
The Wolfgang Press      - Peace On Fire
Unrest                  - Where Are All Those Puerto Rican Boys?
The Breeders            - Invisible Man (demo)
Bettie Serveert         - Totally Freaked Out
Brendan Perry           - Happy Time
Heidi Berry             - Firefly
Pale Saints             - One Blue Hill (demo)
His Name Is Alive       - The Time Falling Bodies Take To Light
Ultra Vivid Scene       - This Is The Way (part 2)
There was also an accompanying video and poster pack. Information on the
contents thereof would be appreciated.

their first CD release. It has a variety of stuff from "Garlands" through
"Treasure". The more obscure things on it are:
    - A version of "Wax and Wane" with a much heavier drum sound
    - "Millimillenary" (from a limited edition compilation tape called
          "Department Of Enjoyment", released by NME)
As far as we know it is out of print. Copies still show up in used bins,
however.

(list member and Dewdrops (4AD fanzine) editor.) It consists of 13 bands
covering 13 songs originally released on 4AD. It is expected to become
available in July 1993. It may be ordered from Brant at Dewdrops, 1817
Corinth Ave. #10, Los Angeles, CA 90025-5567. The US price is $11.50 which
includes postage. Make checks payable to Brant Nelson.
For more info, see the FAQ file on Dewdrops.
The Moon Seven Times - Michelle (Xymox)
Hover - When I Was A Painter (The Breeders)
immer essen - Not In Love (Ultra Vivid Scene)
Livia - Mizake The Mizan (Cocteau Twins)
Red Zoo - 5/10 (Colin Newman)
Independent Mechanical Industry - Swing Like A Baby (The Wolfgang Press)
GLE - Hate My Way (Throwing Muses)
Clarity - Saltarello (Dead Can Dance)
Orange - Gigantic (Pixies)
The Gosh Guys - Where Is My Mind (Pixies)
Floral Majority - Blue Flower (Pale Saints)
Firecracker - There's Something Between Us... (His Name Is Alive)
Tel Basta - I Melt With You (Modern English)

  1) The Wolfgang Press "Big Sex"
  2) A.R. Kane "Lolita"
  3) Throwing Muses "Chains Changed"
  4) Frazier Chorus "Sloppy Heart"
  5) M/A/R/R/S "Pump Up the Volume"


DISCOGRAPHY / GROUPOGRAPHY

labels?
AR Kane
Daniel Ash / Glen Campling
Bauhaus
Bearz
Belly
Heidi Berry
The Birthday Party
Frank Black
Breeders
Michael Brook
Budd / Fraser / Guthrie / Raymonde
C.V.O.
(Clan Of) Xymox
Cocteau Twins
Colourbox
Dance Chapter
Dead Can Dance
Dif Juz
The Fast Set
Frazier Chorus
Rene Halkett / David J
The Happy Family
Kristen Hersh
His Name Is Alive
Rowland Howard / Lydia Lunch
In Camera
Matt Johnson
G. Lewis / B.C. Gilbert
Lydia Lunch
Lush
M/A/R/R/S
Mass
Modern English
My Captains
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares
Colin Newman
Pieter Nooten / Michael Brook
Pale Saints
The Past Seven Days
Pixies
Psychotic Tanks
Red Atkins
Red House Painters
Rema Rema
Richenel
Bettie Serveert
Shox
Sort Sol
Spasmodic Caress
Spirea X
Swallow
The The
This Mortal Coil
Throwing Muses
Ultra Vivid Scene
Underground Lovers
Unrest
The Wolfgang Press
Xmal Deutschland

mid-1987. Various more up to date ones have been printed in Melody Maker,
Spiral Scratch, and Dewdrops. For the most up to date information, check
page 2 or 3 of Dewdrops or consult...

down to track listings and personnel) maintained by list member Lars Magne
Ingebrigtsen . You can send queries to it by e-mail, and
the source code is also available for Unix systems. Eyesore is also
available
on the WorldWideWeb, via the Mosaic client program: the URL is:
    http://isvpc146.isv.uit.no/eyesore.html



OTHER 4AD QUESTIONS

4AD. Ivo originally named the label "Axis" but someone else already held
the
trademark so he had to change it in a hurry.

president, the guy who decides what bands to sign based on how cool he
thinks
they are. He has also produced a few records (such as the Cocteau Twins'
"Garlands") and is the driving force of This Mortal Coil (he selects the
songs, writes some of them, selects the musicians and singers, plays some
keyboards, and produces.)

typography)
and Nigel Grierson (photography), who designed the artwork for almost all
4AD
releases until 1987. Vaughan Oliver now continues on his own as v23,
collaborating with Chris Bigg, Simon Larbalestier and others.

WAD 23: A set of posters released in 1986.
XAD 23: Another set of posters, from 1990.
PAD 23: A set of postcards (released in 1986, re-released in 1992.)
PAD 905: A set of eight Pixies postcards of the photos from Doolittle.
XAD 001: A 1990 calendar.
below)
A v23 Exhibition/Exposition book ???INFO???
There are many other posters. 4AD prints them for nearly every release.
We have no guidelines or hints on where to find them.

Clan Of Xymox - Clan Of Xymox
Cocteau Twins - Tiny Dynamine / Echoes In A Shallow Bay
Cocteau Twins - Aikea Guinea
Cocteau Twins - Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops
Cocteau Twins - Sunburst And Snowblind
Cocteau Twins - Treasure
Cocteau Twins - Victorialand
Colourbox - Colourbox
Modern English - Someone's Calling
Modern English - Ricochet Days
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - Volume 1
Richenel - l'Esclave Endormi
This Mortal Coil - Sixteen Days - Gathering Dust
This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears
Xmal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus II

Cocteau Twins - Peppermint Pig
Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels
Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels / Sunburst And Snowblind
Cocteau Twins - Treasure
Cocteau Twins - The Pink Opaque
Cocteau Twins - Victorialand
Colourbox - Colourbox
Colourbox - Baby I Love You So
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - Volume 1
Modern English - Ricochet Days
This Mortal Coil - I'll End In Tears
Richenel - l'Esclave Endormi

The Breeders - Pod
Dead Can Dance - Aion
His Name Is Alive - Livonia
Lush - Sweetness And Light
Lush - Mad Love
Lush - Scar
Pale Saints - The Comforts Of Madness
Pixies - Gigantic
Pixies - Here Comes Your Man
Pixies - Velouria
Pixies - Bossanova
Pixies - Dig For Fire
Throwing Muses - House Tornado (UK)
Ultra Vivid Scene - Joy 1967-1990
Ultra Vivid Scene - Ultra Vivid Scene

Heidi Berry - Chris Bigg artwork, not sure what album it's from
TMC - Blood
Swallow - Blow
HNIA - Home Is In Your Head
Heidi Berry - Love
Belly - Star, inside artwork from one the "Gepetto" singles
Frank Black - s/t
Michael Brook - Cobalt Blue
RHP - Down Colourful Hill
Lush - Black Spring EP
The Breeders - Safari
Pixies - Trompe Le Monde
Also includes the 13-Year-Itch poster listing all the bands/dates


luck!


otherwise
signed to 4AD: e.g. Bettie Serveert, Underground Lovers. Unrest's "Imperial
FFRR" was released on Guernica but their later releases were on the 4AD
mothership. (Tidbit: All of the vinyl Guernica releases so far include a 7"
with additional tracks along with the LP.)

 AXIS = first four 7" singles
   AD = 7" single
  CAD = LP
  DAD = Double LP
  BAD = EP (up to four listed songs, more may be hidden or unlisted)
  JAD = (only used twice, Birthday Party / Lydia Lunch live mini album
         and Lush's Scar EP)
  MAD = Mini-album (more than four songs)
  PAD = Postcard Set
  TAD = Temporary release: only one pressing*
  VAD = Video cassette
  WAD = Poster Set
  XAD = Poster Set or Calendar
  The letters CD appended indicate a compact disc,
  and CS indicates a cassette. An appended D indicates a double
  or special limited release.
*There have been only four "TAD" releases: Throwing Muses' "The Curse",
Swallow's "Blowback", Michael Brook's "Live_at_the_Aquarium", and Lisa
Germano's "Inconsiderate Bitch".
The numbers indicate the year and release sequence. In a three-digit number
(used through 1989), the first digit is the last digit of the year; in a
four-digit number (used since 1990), the first two digits are the number of
years since 1990. The last two digits are always the ordinal number of that
release in that year (1 means the first 4AD release of that year, 12 means
the twelfth.)
There are a few exceptions. The "13 Year Itch" CD is numbered "(shuffle)".
Other funny numbers belong to non-musical releases; see above.

MAIL

   UK Office : 15 Alma Road, London, SW18 1AA

      Parasol:   202 S. First, Champaign IL 61820 USA (217)355-2555
      Vinyl Ink: 955 Bonifant St. Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA (301)588-4695

thislisty/dance/noise product. They're not the quickest (they don't always
have everything in stock and may have to re-order from a distributor) but
the
selection is excellent. For a catalog, send mail to
    ear-rational@xmission.com
with subject "catalog-ascii". The catalog will include directions on how to
order.
  If you're looking for used stuff (or have stuff to sell), try the Used
Music List. Write to  with subject "HELP".

. (Or 1817 Corinth Ave. #10, Los Angeles, CA
90025-5567.)
Dewdrops has its own FAQ, which is available separately from 4AD-L archives
via FTP (see above for FTP info.)


Ray Gun
807 Navy St., Santa Monica CA 90405
$25 a year (10 issues)
A professional-quality magazine with really odd, experimental (some say
unreadable) layout. Covers a wide variety of "alternative" music. The
recent
"UK" issue was amazing, with coverage of just about every English thislisty
band you can think of.

Warped Reality
c/o Andrea Feldman
PO Box 2515, Providence, RI 02906
Issues are $2.50 ppd. in the US, payable to Andrea Feldman.
"We're a new magazine of uncommon art and music. The first issue had
interviews
illustrator Maira Kalman.
  "The second issue will be coming out in another week or so, and will have
interviews with: Kristin Hersh, Chris Bigg of v23, The Breeders, Miranda
Sex
Garden, Big Hat, Opium Den, and a review of the 13 year itch."

  The Indie-List
  [Write a nice letter to Sean Murphy at ]
  Devoted to music on independent labels, mostly small US bands that
release
  a lot of stuff on 7"s. Unrest, Sebadoh, Eggs, Tsunami, The Dambuilders...
  Twice-weekly digest format means lots of info, little chit-chat or
  flamage. Can at first produce feelings of dizziness upon reading page
after
  page about bands you've never heard of.

  The UK-Indie-List
  [uk-indie-request@cs.nott.ac.uk]
  Covers the UK independent scene, from thislisty stuff through the Wonder
  Stuff, Morrisey, Pop Will Eat Itself ... In practice this seems too broad
  for good conversation, and 4AD-L'ers who've tried this list haven't been
  too impressed.

  Subbacultcha
  [listserv@cs.mcgill.ca; body should be "sub subbacultcha " + your name]
  Covers the whole Pixies / Throwing Muses / Belly / Breeders thang.

  The Eno-List
  [eno-L-requests@noc.pue.udlap.mx]
  Brian Eno, the man, the music, the production work, the legend.
  Comes out in a daily digest; usualy around 10 messages a day.

  The David Sylvian List
  [listserv@gu.uwa.edu.au; body should be "sub sylvian " + your name]
  As you can guess, this list is for discussing the music of David
  Sylvian, Japan, and the many collaborations those members have been
  involved in.  There are discographies and lyrics available as
well.

==============================================================================


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:54:45 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave -> Mojave 3


On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> The latest bit of news from 4AD is that
> Mojave had to change their name to Mojave 3,
> because there is a German band already named Mojave.

Oh God. Not this again. And I suppose all the assholes in the music press
(and even a few on this list?) will honor the name change. Retch.

Why not Mojave 2?

Better yet...here's a wild one...how about SLOWDIVE?? :p

Ugh. You know what this means now? It means that delay we were
discussing. I bet you anything that was the reason it was seen as a
possibility. I can see it now. Mojave 3 - Ask Me Tomorrow UK - Coming in
January - no, actually make that February or March or something...

God damned Germans.


 einexile *hates* this stupid bullshit

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:04:16 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: tarnation and pram


Here are some worthless one line reviews of the shows
I just saw:

   not as "country" as I was expecting.

The Sea and the Cake: fairly generic. good as long as the vocalist
   doesn't open his mouth.

      I liked a lot of it, but it did tend to drag toward the end.
      Their music makes me feel like I have brain damage.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:27:54 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Volumes 12 and 13


I never knew these came out. Must have slipped someone's mind to mention
them here, since Volume has put out nothing but shit for about two years.

Anyway, if someone can tell me what is on them, or where to get a track
listing, and better yet where to get copies of these that I can be
relatively certain will be in perfect condition, I would appreciate it.

I bought Volume 14 yesterday, listened to the Electrafixion track, hated
it and shut off the cd. Actually this happened in the opposite order,
with me hating the cd and then buying it, but go figure...

Thank you.


 elixenie


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:40:48 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: I see my post has been answered, about the Mojave delay


I just found an answer to that post of mine asking about the release of the
Mojave album. (Somehow the post was delayed a day.)
On alt.music.4ad of all places.... Maybe we could convince
Cliff@fourad.demon.co.uk to hang out on the list.

>It's only been delayed in the US to avoid it getting 'lost' in a very busy
>schedule. It is still coming out in the UK and Europe on October 16th, and
>will be followed by a very special London show and a tour. It is going to
>be worth the wait, and don't worry, we've had their hex lifted!
>
>Cliff

I guess we can thank Warner once again. they're my hero
Maybe the promotion will be so strong Mojave will make the next
pack of Buzz Clips and become the next KROQue sensation and make
a million bucks. (That last part isn't really in jest)

-n

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:21:08 -0400
From: Rodgre@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Hello gang


Hello,

I've been offline for about five months and I've missed all the wonderful
goings on on the 4AD list.  Fill me in... I've been in a cave for far too
long.

Roger

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:55:58 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Seperate Cocteau List


Lost the original mail, so I can't e-mail direct, but it is a list issue in any 
ase.
Points to ponder:
- Another list means another flood of mail everyday
- When writing on Cocteaus does the author write to the 4AD list and the CT list

- If Cocteaus get their own list should we have one for all ex-4AD bands (that *
ay*  have a large following) e.g. Xymox, Wolfgang etc.?

 I would not suggest a seperate list at this stage. After all, it will be a good
10 years before Cocteaus surpass releases on 4AD with releases on the new label.
(This probably doesn't make sense, sorry).

=========================================
Another snowy Artic day in darkest Africa...............


Chris_Ayres.JNB01@rx.xerox.com
==========================================

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:44:42 -0400
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: list down?


the list has been awfully inactive today... is anyone else out there
getting any posts?

r

rebecca fagan
rfagan@tiac.net (try this one first)
fagan@pja-net.com


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:19:01 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: (EC) nudes


>The CD I'm looking at is actually called _the (EC) nudes_.  I don't know what
>the "(EC)" stands for, but they go by the name _the pale nudes_ now.  This was
>their first CD and it is on the RecRec(?) label.  The US distribution is on
>Cuneiform, so it not be so hard to find in the US.


the (EC) refers to European Community. It denotes that the band complies
with EC Directive No. 6959221 stating that:

 "In order to be able to describe itself (or themselves) as 'nude', any
band wishing to perform within the jurisdiction of the European Commission
must fulfil one of the following criteria:

i) if classified as 'permanently nude', performers must be without clothes
for all of any period which they are said to be performing  or recording
WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION OF 6" STILLETO HEELS.

ii) if classified as "totally nude", the period of time spent completely
naked(i.e. SANS STILLETOS) must be no less than 80% of the total time spent
performing or recording.

iii) if classified as 'intermediately nude', see-through materials must be
worn for no more than 10% of the time of naked exposure (cf. the snake
dancer replicant in 'Blade Runner', which has been used here as an example
because the Commission could find no suitable French, sorry, European
cinematic equivalent) "

I hope this information can answer some of your questions.


           - graham -

"Bigger bombs! More arrogant colonialism! Yeah! Yeah!"

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:21:41 +0200
From: DESSERT Eric et REFFLE Jean-Marie (dessert@RHONE.CULTURE.FR)
Subject: Unsubscribe


Hi there,
I havbe tried to unsubscibe three month ago ang went on vacation. I was
surprised to still find that I wasn't. What to do ?
Please help me, sending the answer to an other address :
douphis@rhone.culture.fr. I have change my pc....
Thanks


Email : dessert@rhone.culture.fr
TÚl   : 72 00 43 85
Adr   : DRAC RHONE-ALPES
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        69001 LYON

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:14:25 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: pale nudes? naked saints? saintly nudists?


Marvyn wrote:
>No, the band consists of Amy Denio (who is from Seattle), Wadi Gysi and Chris
>Cutler who is formerly of Henry Cow--that seminal british art band of the
>seventies. :)  Fred Frith, who was with Henry Cow has also played with Amy on
>one of the Tone Dogs CDs.

okay, well then let me put it this way: is there such a band from (the
former) Czechoslovakia called the Naked Saints or something similar? The
tiny bit of them that I saw on TV once sounded pretty good and I remember
hearing that they had a deal with a Swiss label. I realise this is not very
much to go on, but does anyone know more?

Larry, a.k.a. Mahucutah, the Not-brushed

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:04:50 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Boos


I've had the import for about 2 months now.  Wake UP! is a really good
and fun pop festival.  The title track is infectious and quite catchy.
I thoroughly enjoy the release.  This release contains a variety of
styles under the umbrella of pop-euro rock.  So I was impressed with
the diversity, and would recommend it.  However, as always i say listen
to it yourself first.  For all you know I could be married to one of
the Boos!

cheers, euthelene

work backwards from reality.


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:51:15 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: FAQ Part 1


I thought I'd post the most recent FAQ that I have, now that the school year
has started, since there may be several new subscribers to the list.  This
is all Jens' work.  Perhaps there is even a more recent FAQ.  Mine is dated
June 8, 1994 (over a year old!).  I've updated the e-mail addresses to
reflect the new list address.  NOTE: I don't have Jim Jones' new address,
so that info is wrong.  Anyone know the new
one?

Lawren
lwu@wi.mit.edu

==============================================================================
4AD-L Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List
Version 1.0d10 -- 8 June 1994

TABLE OF CONTENTS:
  Introduction
  Administrivia
  List Etiquette
  Musical Questions
  Compilations
  Discography / Groupography
  Other 4AD Questions
  Mail


INTRODUCTION

This is the list of Frequently Asked Questions for the 4AD-List, an
Internet
mailing list devoted to the 4AD record label and the bands on it, such as
Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, the Breeders, Throwing Muses, etc. Other
music
of a similar nature (generally swirly/ethereal/noisy) is also discussed;
see
below under "List Etiquette".

This list was compiled by Jens Alfke .
Please
send any suggestions or corrections my way (preferably as updates to
individual questions, not copies of the entire FAQ with changes made to it;
the latter is very difficult to merge into the real FAQ.)

Alphabetical thanks to Brent Aliverti, Susan Curran, David Gilles-Thomas,
Christopher Hanks, Steve W Hill, Thomas Homulka, Neil Impellus, Al Kolman,
Brant Nelson, A J Norman, Andrew Reynhout, Keith Richmond, Jason Schmit, Dr
Bruce Scott, David Sokol, Robert Stanzel and Geordie Torr for their help so
far!

If you are receiving this as part of your introductory 4AD-L mailing, then
**PLEASE** hang onto this FAQ, or at least keep a copy of the
"Administrivia"
section, as it explains -->how to unsubscribe<--. On that sad day you will
not regret having the information handy.


ADMINISTRIVIA

  The body should of the message should be:
  subscribe 4AD-L Joe Schmo
where you of course replace "Joe Schmo" with your real name (not your
e-mail
address). You should hear back from the ListServ pretty quickly.

it will go to everyone on the list. On most mail systems, replying to a
message from the list should automatically direct it there. (Watch out when
replying directly to the sender that you don't accidentally send to the
whole
list!)

mail in daily digest form?
The body should contain a ListServ command:
To unsubscribe:  SIGNOFF 4AD-L
To put mail on hold: SET 4AD-L NOMAIL
To take mail off hold: SET 4AD-L MAIL
To get mail in daily-digest form: SET 4AD-L DIGEST
To get messages one at a time: SET 4AD-L MAIL
For full details, consult the ListServ message you got when you first
subscribed.

work.
message
is not the same as the address you subscribed with, i.e. if your mail
system
has been tweaked slightly since you subscribed. Here's what you do next,
courtesy of Dr Bruce Scott:
  1) Send mail to listserv@american.edu
  with no subject line, and the single line "review 4ad-l" in the body.

  2) You will get a file back with the list of 4ad-l subscribers. Search
  that list for your name to find out what address you originally
  subscribed under.

  3a) If that address is still your current address, send another
  message to the above address, no subject line, with the single
  line "signoff 4ad-l" in the body.

  3b) If that address is _not_ your current address, you need to get
  your sysop to do it for you. You need the "node administrator" (your
  sysop) to use the single line command (as above)
  "for  signoff 4ad-l". This type of command _must_ be sent
  from @node, where "user" is "maint", "postmast", or "postmaster".

  4) For further information, send mail to the above address with the
  single line "info refcard".

    or .


form or another. To get a copy, write to: mlol-request@wariat.org.


LIST ETIQUETTE

recording
artists, or 23 Envelope/v23/Vaughn Oliver, is obviously fair game. There is
also much discussion of bands whose members have appeared on 4AD recordings
(Cindytalk, Shelleyan Orphan), bands that are on 4AD in parallel universes
(Slowdive, Cranes, My Bloody Valentine, Sundays, anybody on Too Pure) and
noisy pop in general. Use discretion.

of
help; thanks to Lars Ingebrigtsen for running the voting!
The Boo Radleys, Pavement, Ride, SpinART's "One Last Kiss" comp, PJ Harvey,
My Bloody Valentine, Juliana Hatfield, Spiritualized, Tel Basta, Catherine
Wheel, Sugar, Sonic Youth, Medicine, The Beautiful South, Skinny Puppy,
Kitchens of Distinction, Cranes, The Orb, Curve... (Some of these are
really
from 1991; so sue us...)

See
the previous answers for details.

tell
people to reply to you personally, not the list. (See below...)

'shrooms
and wrote some really un-fuckin-believable stream of consciousness poetry
that I'd like to share with the list since it was influenced by my
listening
to 4AD music.
instead.

entire
list?
by
personal replies sent by people who didn't think about or get an answer to
this. Having said that, we can only reply that the details are specific to
your mail system. Try consulting your system administrator or reading a
manual. As a last resort, if you have access to the message header you can
read off the "From:" address and type it into the "To:" field of a new
message.
If you absolutely have no alternative but to send a personal message via
the
entire list, at least be very contrite and regretful about it. This will
save
you the trouble of getting flamed...
It should also be noted that some people are subjected to rinky-dink mail
systems that hide the return address of the sender. For this reason, it's a
good idea to include your address in your .signature, otherwise these
people
will be unable to send personal mail to you.

    CT  = Cocteau Twins
    DCD = Dead Can Dance
    EoST= The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa
    FSA = Flying Saucer Attack
    HNIA= His Name Is Alive
    MBV = My Bloody Valentine
    MM  = Melody Maker, a British weekly music paper
    M7X = The Moon Seven Times
    NME = New Musical Express, another British paper
    PJH = P J Harvey (or maybe Pearl Jam Hurls)
    RHP = Red House Painters
    SY  = Sonic Youth
    TMC = This Mortal Coil
    TWP = The Wolfgang Press (or maybe The Wedding Present)
    VG  = Velocity Girl
    13YI= 13-Year Itch, a 4AD party held in summer 1993
There are also the usual net-talk abbreviations like IMHO or "Ob-"; if
you're
confused about those see any netiquette guide or the New Hacker's
Dictionary
(edited by Eric Raymond, published by MIT Press, very informative and
amusing.)

charred than the cookies. You might want to post it to alt.folklore.urban,
though, they love cookie recipes there.


MUSICAL QUESTIONS

some couplets that appear on the LPs of "Garlands" and "Head Over Heels":
    - Things from the forest die here / But I don't /
            Dead forest things are offered here / But I'm not
    - Grail overfloweth / Forget-me-not wreaths /
            Chaplets see me drugged / I could die in the rosary

    - When Mama was moth / I took bulb form
    - Glass candle grenades are popping / Still we'll not keel over
    - Tinderbox of a heart / Left a shell is all
    - Fig up my love paramour / Ooze out and away onehow
(Note that the last line became a song title on "The Moon and the
Melodies".)

works mainly in the genre of "ambient music": sparse, meditative
soundscapes
that avoid the easy sentimentalism of "new age". If you enjoyed the quieter
piano-based moments of "The Moon...", particularly "Memory Gongs", try
Budd's
album "Lovely Thunder", which includes an alternate version of that song,
entitled "Flowered Knife Shadows". Also recommended are his earlier albums
"The Pearl" and "The Plateaux of Mirror", both collaborations with Brian
Eno.
His 1989 album "The White Arcades" was recorded in the Cocteau Twins'
studio,
September Sound; unfortunately, its sound becomes too treacly for my ears.
Your mileage may vary.

pigeonholed as "a 4AD band". They're now on Fontana (still on Capitol in
the
US.)

some
interviews, but the actual truth is that it was the name of an early Simple
Minds song. No one having been able to find a song of this name on any
Simple
Minds record, Brant Nelson finally asked Robin himself and was told that
it's
on the first SM album but under a different title.

magazine with a free CD, depending on how you look at it. It includes
articles about, and songs by, several different bands. The songs are
usually
unavailable elsewhere. Issue 5 ("Volume 5", natch) had much notoriety on
this
list due to the Cocteau Twins' version of "Frosty the Snowman" and a nice
interview with them.
Volume is published in England, but it can be found in finer US record
stores, and is available from mail-order houses like Vinyl Ink or Parasol
(q.v.)

Area?
Area. Moreover, Henry is a 4AD-L subscriber...

(Slumberland/SpinArt, 1992) sounds almost more like My Bloody Valentine
than
MBV themselves do. (They have since changed members and sound quite
different
now.)
The Lillies were a one-shot band consisting of members of Lush, Moose and
the
Cocteau Twins, who recorded one song (an homage to their favorite football
team) for a flexi in an English music magazine. For die-hard collectors
only.

Nothing"?
called
"Threw a Day". The last track is "Claire Hates Me", as advertised.

"Half-Life" by Pale Saints?
unnanounced extra tracks on British singles is that the chart rules in the
UK
specify that a "single" can only contain four songs. If a band wants to
have
a fifth song, without having the single considered a more expensive
"mini-album", they just don't officially put it on.

Dolphin"; the Belly EP compilation; Lush's "Superblast" EP (containing two
other already-released tracks); and Natures Mortes-Still Lives, the
compilation from 1982 (produced for Japan with 500 imported back to the
UK.)

Our Breath") that preceded their first album. The tracks are:
Slowdive
Avalyn 1
Morningrise
She Calls
Losing Today
Shine
Albatross
Missing are the instrumental "Avalyn 2" (essential!) and "Golden Hair"
(yes,
the James Joyce / Syd Barret song.) This disc was rereleased as a freebie
included in the UK limited edition of their "Souvlaki" album.

Siren"
(repeating the line "Did I dream you dreamed about me")?
sampled,
that bit...

   Spirea X: Left 4AD and disappeared utterly.
   Pale Saints: Singer/bassist Graham Naismith left in late '93 to form
Spoonfed Hybrid, who have an album out on Guernica. The rest of the band
have
recruited a bass player from the Heart Throbs and will have a new album out
later in '94.
   Colourbox: No one's quite sure. Nothing's been heard from them since the
World Cup Theme and of course the "M.A.R.R.S" collaboration with A R Kane.
   A R Kane: Moved to Rough Trade, but haven't really released anything new
in several years (besides the "Americana" compilation on Luaka Bop.) Rudy
is
still doing remixes for other bands.
   Frasier Chorus: Moved to Virtin, then faded away.
[** More contributions to this list sought! **]


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:53:48 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Cocteaus, Slowdive, Mouse on Mars


"Michael R. M. Cheselka"  wrote:
 >
 > I have been thinking of a separate Cocteau Twins email list or
 > newsgroup for sometime.  This has been brought up on the list
 > before by others and been dismissed.
 >

The danger is that one-group mailing lists end up with very low volume,
and either people are constantly organising mind-blowingly tedious "name
your five favourite Pixies albums" polls, or the thing fizzles out for a
lack of discussion.  Many one-group lists only come alive for a couple
of months either side of an album release (the P J Harvey list being a
good example - one post a month for most of last year, then a sudden
explosion of frail young women posting that they were "very worried"
that the wrong sort of person might start listening to their heroine
because the new album would be "more commercial").  The only high volume
one-band mailing list I know of is the Fall list, which works because
the band have a high output rate, a huge and complex back catalogue, and
the bulk of the discussion on the list is completely unrelated to the
Fall (does this sound at all similar to 4AD-L?).

A Cocteaus newsgroup would be a waste of time - just look at
alt.music.4AD for the reasons.  Many sites won't carry new alt.* groups
in any case.

einexile the meek  wrote:
 >
 > On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:
 >
 > > The latest bit of news from 4AD is that Mojave had to change
 > > their name to Mojave 3, because there is a German band already
 > > named Mojave.
 >
 > Oh God. Not this again. And I suppose all the assholes in the
 > music press (and even a few on this list?) will honor the name
 > change. Retch.
 >
 > Why not Mojave 2?

I favour "The British Oxford Mojave UK".  Or what about "Spacemen 3"?

"Kent J. Vanderwaal"  wrote:
 >
 > So how does MOM Iaora Tahiti compare to Vulvaland?  less
 > ambient, more ambient, more dancey, less dancey, more vox, does
 > it *rawk*  dude ?????

Less ambient, more dancey - or more poppy, tuneful, complex.  Only duff
track is "Die Innere Orange", which consists of twelve minutes of tape
hiss and clicking (which makes Main sound like 2 Unlimited) with some
mumbling hidden in the middle.  Other than that, it's a great collection
of tunes.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 14/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Bob Dylan - compilation
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:44:18 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Dewdrops Records?


Is there a "Dewdrops Records"?  Can anyone tell me how to get
a hold of them: address?e-mail?

Most appreciated

Monty

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:52:29 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Whoops!


Sorry about that last message.  I'd already sent it before I realized my
heinous crime.  Oh, by the way.  I never posted a review of the two AC
Temple CDs I got b/c of the non-response to the BEAR review.  Quick summary:
Another rock band in the sonic youth sort of vein.  Not as enjoyable as
Spoonfed Hybrid or BEAR, though.  Female singer is very annoying.

bye,

eric


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:46:44 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: air miami peanuts


In Message Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:46:22 -0600,
  ".bigloveeyes."  writes:

>okay, who wants a package of peanuts with an air miami sticker on it???
>
>......i wonder, do those record companies really think that sillystuff
>like this will encourage music directors to add their releases?
>
>i'll give this to anyone for free.
>
>.....la la la....mark.

me me me!  (get it?)  If no one has spoken for this yet, I'd love it.  I've
a friend who's a huge AM fan, and this would make a great joke.

thanks,

eric


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:54:19 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: sorry


Sorry my last message was the worst typed thing ever. It has been a
long day.


Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"Only dead fish swim with the stream" The Ex

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:42:34 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: air miami peanuts


The peanuts thing is funny, cuz I was told by my new 'boss' at 4AD that
they were sending Air Miami out with packs of Chips Ahoy cuz the first
single is 'I Hate Milk'....


Ivo

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:49:51 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Dewdrops Records?


On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, mvs wrote:

> Is there a "Dewdrops Records"?  Can anyone tell me how to get
> a hold of them: address?e-mail?
>


*looks at Brant....*

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:47:12 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio


I don't know about the album being pushed back... they've already got
TONS of promo cds at the office...maybe cuz they changed their name,
they're going to do another pressing with the new name??  I'm not sure, I
haven't started working there yet. ;)

Ivo

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:13:08 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: FAQ Part 1


Note, A.R. Kane just released New Clear Child (which is pretty good, if I
might add) within the past year.

AW

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:31:14 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dewdrops Records?


  Yes, theseis a Drewdrops Records.  In fact, the guy who runs it is on
this list.  His name is Brant, and I'm sure he'll be more the happy to
talk with you, if he hasn't done so already.

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                   ni un jour si je n'ai plus le desir d'aimer.

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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:33:17 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: FAQ Part 1

              13, 95 1:51 pm

> Q: Whatever happened to that band...
> A:
>    Spirea X: Left 4AD and disappeared utterly.
>    Pale Saints: Singer/bassist Graham Naismith left in late '93 to form
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Spoonfed Hybrid, who have an album out on Guernica. The rest of the band
> have
> recruited a bass player from the Heart Throbs and will have a new album out
> later in '94.

OK, it's a slow day.



kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:47:49 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: mojavedelay....


> >It's only been delayed in the US to avoid it getting 'lost' in a very busy
> >schedule. It is still coming out in the UK and Europe on October 16th, and
> >will be followed by a very special London show and a tour. It is going to
> >be worth the wait, and don't worry, we've had their hex lifted!

this is so fucking ridiculous!!!  they've had their hex lifted???? what the
fuck is that?  they're still not releasing the album stateside until some
months after the uk release.  hello! record companies.....this is a dumb
thing to do.....i'm sure there will be import copies....how can there not
be???  so, how many of us will go buy the import and then it won't sell
in the US and warner will get grumpie.

mojave 3?  nope.  i'm just gonna call them slowdive4ad.

thank god and a certain nice person that i already have a dub.

        .mark......reallyhatesthiskindofthing.

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:37:47 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: AIRMIAMIPEANUTS:you people are weird! :)


i can't believe i got so many requests for those airmiami peanuts.  what
do you people do with these things????

anyway, i will NOT take cash for this.  that's the silliest thing i've
ever heard.....it's just a pack of eagle airline peanuts with a sticker
on it.

as i got so many requests i'm not really sure what to do with them.  i'm
tempted to just open them up and eat them....but i don't trust 4ad or
mark robinson....they might be poisoned.  maybe i should open them up then
cut the package into tiny pieces.  then i'll send each one of you a single
peanut with a piece of the stickered package taped to it.  how's that
sound?

i think i'll make you sillies work for this.....i want long, well written
messages (prose or poetry) explaining why you should have these peanuts.
be creative, go wild!  perhaps give me a detailed description of exactly
what strange rituals you are going to perform with them.  i'm serious.....

of course, the first person to offer me a Hasselbad or Mamiya (or any
other decent medium format camera) in working condition wins.

deadline for entries is monday: 10pm.  private email please!!!!!!

        .love......mark.


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:31:07 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio


>I don't know about the album being pushed back... they've already got
>TONS of promo cds at the office...maybe cuz they changed their name,
>they're going to do another pressing with the new name??  I'm not sure, I
>haven't started working there yet. ;)
>
>Ivo

sigh. . .I'll repeat.  Doesn't anyone read my posts (whine).  The latest AP
has the CD's label listed as "4AD UK" instead of the 4AD they usually use.

bye,

eric

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:28:35 -0400
From: Bert Vincent Laonipon (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins email list or newsgroup


I think such a newsgroup or mailing list would receive much response in
the coming 4 months or so, considering that they have 2 EP's and an album
coming out.  After that though, it's hard to say.  Personally, I remain
subscribed to 4AD-L almost exclusively to hear news about the Cocteau
Twins.  If this topic were moved somewhere else, I would probably
unsubscribe from 4AD-L.  Does anyone else here feel this way?  It would
certainly make it easier to sort through my mail.  And such a forum would
also be greatly for attracting new CT fans who don't know they used to be
on 4AD.  On another note, I'd also be interested in some sort of
marketplace for Cocteau Twins rarities, or maybe this could be
incorporated with a marketplace for 4AD/thislisty stuff in general.  This
would alleviate much of the For Sale stuff people have been griping about
on this list.

Bert


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:52:05 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Whoops!


  I never posted a review of the two AC
> Temple CDs I got b/c of the non-response to the BEAR review.  Quick summary:
> Another rock band in the sonic youth sort of vein.  Not as enjoyable as
> Spoonfed Hybrid or BEAR, though.  Female singer is very annoying.
>
> bye,
>
> eric
>

Which AC Temple LPs? Whilst there are definate influences from Sonic
Youth (okay big influences) on the stuff they still stand on there
own in my opinion. The last LP 'Belina Backwards'  is one of my all
time tops. It is quite a change, and admitedly it took a dark January
birthday night in the Camden Falcon to convince me it was as wonderful as it
truely is (my opinion). Then agasin I like all that AC Temple, Dust
Devils, Kilgore Trout stuff.


Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"Only dead fish swim with the stream" The Ex


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:17:04 EDT
From: TOM HOMULKA (THOMULKA@SPL.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Digest frequency


I've lately been receiving the 4ad-l digest every few days where it
contains messages for more than one day (sometimes 3 or 4).  Is there a
way to get the digests in a *DAILY* mailing?

Just wondering...

Tom
(who's just figured out that the address is now 'american.edu' and not
'jhuvm.jhu.edu')
thomulka@spl.mhs.compuserve.com

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:40:16 MDT
From: BCLAUXX0 (bclauxx0@CCMAIL.WCC.COM)
Subject: RHP @ Berkeley Square 9/22


Just so you know (I may be behind b/c I'm on digest),

The Berkeley Square recording machine claims RHP is playing there
Friday 9/22.

Wooohooo!

b

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:29:48 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: 4ad release UK schedule


About a month ago someone posted a 4AD UK release 1995-schedule including a
Lush 12"/CD-EP to be issued September 25. I asked Cliff at 4AD about it and
he answered:

>no. what a strange question? early next year

I felt embarrassed....

The 4AD UK release schedule for the rest of 1995 looks a bit like this now:

1-10   SCHEER 'Schism' 12"/CD
9-10   THE AMPS 'Tipp City' 12"/CD
16-10  MOJAVE (3) 'Ask Me Tomorrow' LP/CD
30-10  THE AMPS 'Empty Glasses'
??-??  AIR MIAMI 'I Hate Milk' 12"/CD

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:38:09 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Air Miami?


Not surprisingly, the new disc was in Tower Records DC on Tuesday.

Dave G.

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:36:31 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: Volumes 12 and 13


> Anyway, if someone can tell me what is on them, or where to get a track
> listing, and better yet where to get copies of these that I can be

Track listings:
Volume Twelve
1. Node -- Olivine
2. Spiritualized -- Good Times (Pure Phase)
3. Goya Dress -- Foetus
4. Garbage -- Vow
5. Prolapse -- Visa for Violet and Van
6. Shriek -- Girl Meets Girl
7. Pet Lamb -- Son of John Doe
8. Moby -- What Love?
9. G Love and Special Sauce -- Tomorrow Night
10. Massive Attack -- Karma Coma (Bumper Ball Dub)
11. Experimental Audio Research -- Space Theme
      (Tribute to John Cage in C, A, G & E)
12. Laika -- Lower Than Stars
13. Ride -- Only Now
14. Catatonia -- Dream On
15. Love Spit Love -- Wake Up
16. Novocaine -- Pond Life
17. Flinch -- Days
18. Nitzer Ebb -- In Decline

Volume Thirteen
1. Krispy 3 -- Listen Up
2. Whiteout -- Polyesther Blues
3. The Boo Radleys -- Reaching Out From Here
4. Animals That Swim -- East Street O'Neill
5. Juliana Hatfield -- Waves
6. Elcka -- Games We Play
7. Interact -- Just Because
8. Throwing Muses -- Hillbilly
9. Kaliphz -- Sex, Horror & Violence
10. Luscious Jackson -- Daddy
11. Tribute to nothing -- Look at Yourself
12. The Flying Medallions -- Vanity Fair
13. Nova Mob -- No Promise Have I Made
14. Done Lying Down -- Bolus
15. Rosa Mota -- Frost Bitten
16. Edwyn Collins -- In a Nutshell
17. Tindersticks -- Tiny Tears
18. Radiohead -- Nice Dream
19. Velo Deluxe -- Jesus Let Me In
20. Reverberation -- It's All Over
21. Heather Nova -- Maybe an Angel

A local CD store has one or both new, that I could pick up for you
if you are desperate. If you can't already guess from the track listing,
neither collection is really outstanding. Just a couple good songs on
each in amonct all the rubbish.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:54:45 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad release UK schedule


On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

> About a month ago someone posted a 4AD UK release 1995-schedule including a
> Lush 12"/CD-EP to be issued September 25. I asked Cliff at 4AD about it and
> he answered:
>
> >no. what a strange question? early next year
>
> I felt embarrassed....
>
Don't be; as of July Lush *were* planning an EP to
be released in October, with the LP release set for "early
next year"...

Maybe they forgot to tell 4AD....
-----
wendy

.sigless until further notice

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:42:56 -0700
From: Jason the Ferret King (JASONS@LITTLE-BOBBY.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: I heard about the Mojave Album on the rajio


> I don't know about the album being pushed back... they've already got
> TONS of promo cds at the office...maybe cuz they changed their name,
> they're going to do another pressing with the new name??  I'm not sure, I
> haven't started working there yet. ;)
>
> Ivo
>

     So, tons of promo CD's?  What are the chances of one getting
mailed to me?   =)  Or, how about everyone on the list?  I'd promise
to buy a commercial copy when the thing actually comes out...

       -Jason



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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:49:02 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins email list or newsgroup


> Personally, I remain
> subscribed to 4AD-L almost exclusively to hear news about the Cocteau
> Twins.

I think you're probably not alone.

> certainly make it easier to sort through my mail.  And such a forum would
> also be greatly for attracting new CT fans who don't know they used to be
> on 4AD.

This all makes sense, and I think there ought to be little
resistance to starting something like this.

There are at least three possibilities:
and when I say "newsgroup" here I mean both NEWSGROUP and
4ad-l style listserver.

1. Dewdrops creates and maintains a newsgroup.
     we're going to be involved in running the fan club
     It's likely I would not have the time or energy to keep up with it.

2. Bryan Spidell creates and runs a newsgroup.

3. Jack Huynh creates and runs a newsgroup.

So Jack's probably The Man. I'll look into it and report back.

brant
|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:39:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" (HEllens@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: Mouse on Mars


I've heard two tracks so far and have not heard any of their previous stuff.
However, I must say I was mighty impressed with the weirdness of their
songs. On my local radio station it's advertised as "Post-techno,
post-ambient space dub" and that sums up the two tracks pretty much. I'll
probably buy it today.

Cheers,

H.
hellens@holly.telecom.com.au
hellens@kryten.telecom.com.au
hellens@vcomtelc.telecom.com.au
 ----------
>
>So how does MOM Iaora Tahiti compare to Vulvaland?
>less ambient, more ambient, more dancey, less dancey,
>more vox, does it *rawk*  dude ?????
>
>
>kent
>kjv@mti.cdc.com
>the cat vomitting somewhere
>


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:23:28 -0700
From: josh@ASU.EDU
Subject: Re: 4ad release UK schedule


> About a month ago someone posted a 4AD UK release 1995-schedule including a
> Lush 12"/CD-EP to be issued September 25. I asked Cliff at 4AD about it and
> he answered:
>
> >no. what a strange question? early next year

well, a friend of mine went to the cmj thing in new york, and he brought
back a new reprise sampler which has a new lush song on it. he wouldn't
tell me who was on the cd, so he thought he would surprise me by playing
it. he put it on and after a few moments i answered "i haven't got a clue
who this is and i don't recognize the guy's voice either." oddly enough,
miki's voice sounds, to me at least, completely unlike anything she's
done before. it's really odd, and i'm not sure how i like it...somebody
else try and find a copy of this and see what you think.

j


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:09:12 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: St. John's indescribable blight


        OK, it's not quite that bad.  If the idea of crossing Heidi Berry
with the Twin Peaks soundtrack and throwing in a little retro (ala
Combustible Edison) appeals to you, then what if i threw Muzak (tm) into
the mix too?  Would you still like it?  If your answer is yes then rush out
and buy Kate St. John's new (debut) solo album, *Indescribable Night*.
         Now no one is expecting a deeply introverted, dark album out of
Kate St. John (of Dream Academy, Channel Light Vessel, and numerous guest
appearances) but there's something missing here.  I feel a bit nervous when
the music i listen to sounds like it should be played as background music
for a yuppie dinner party (sorry for the stereotyping).  The song titles
should have given me reason to hesitate:  "There is Sweet Music Here that
Softer Falls,"  "Paris Skies," "Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour," "Chat Voyeur,"
and "My Goodbyes."  Who could take Tennyson's "The Lotus Eaters" and place
words like "In Lotus land we'll live and die reclined ..." and into music
more fitting a children's lullabye (but without a hint of the irony)?
        So i hate the album, no?  Well not quite; though much of it
repulses me, now that i have it, something keeps drawing me back.  Maybe i
should host my own yuppie dinner party.

-cz


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