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Subject: Re: Muses/Air Miami Show
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:40:04 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa in Concert! Vancouver, BC
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:33:19 -0700
From: Zahid Makhdoom (zmakdoom@AWINC.COM)
Subject: Projekt mailing list
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:30:40 -0400
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard info
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:26:31 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Autechre::Tri Repetae
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:30 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Nuutti Meril=E4inen (nmerilai@tsac.tampere.fi)
Subject: Reviews/Opinions etc (long)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:21:56 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Stereolab/geetars/Pale Nudes
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:13:10 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab/geetars/Pale Nudes
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:20:23 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Stereolab/geetars/Pale Nudes
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:37:45 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Alison's Halo
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:22:37 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:40:04 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Muses/Air Miami Show


On Tue, 12 Sep 1995 Hrtn@aol.com wrote:

> Alex,
>
> I saw you posted info on a show at Maxwell`s on the 16th. Do you have any
> other details (time the show starts, ticket price, do you need to buy in
> advance, can you buy at the door, etc)? Not too interested in the Muses, but
> am interested in what Air Miami sounds like other than the two tracks I`ve
> heard.
>
> Thanks..........Paul
>
>
>

there are two shows, 7:30 and 11:00pm.  Tickets are were $10 last time.
Might be twelve.  Totally worth it because its a tiny space.

Not like the muses.  It took a while but once you're hooked, you're hooked.

Alex
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:33:19 -0700
From: Zahid Makhdoom (zmakdoom@AWINC.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa in Concert! Vancouver, BC


Lisa G. is also playing in Vancouver, BC on October 21, 1995.  Vancouver
music enthusiasts, this is going to be great event, so shwo up there.


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:30:40 -0400
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Projekt mailing list


Michael S. Fischer  wrote:

>While I think that a Projekt *mailing list* would perhaps be
>appropriate (which I am willing to administer, in fact), I don't think
>a newgroup would.  There are already 12812094 Usenet newsgroups, and I
>don't think that we need a newsgroup for every stinkin' label out
>there.  Those who are truly interested in Projekt will subscribe to
>the newsgroup--there's no reason to flood everyone's news spools with
>news not too many people will use.
>
>So, would anyone out there like me to set this up?
>
>--Mike


O.K., O.K., as long as we can get a projekt whatever set up, i don't care
if it's a newsgroup or mailing list - count my vote to set up the list and
thanks for volunteering!

christina  :)


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                          | Christine, the strawberry girl   "Christine"
    Christina Johnson     | Christine, banana split lady      [Siouxsie
br713@freenet.carleton.ca | Christine, the strawberry girl      & the
                          | Christine, sees her faces unfurl  Banshees]


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:26:31 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard info


On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Steve Hill wrote:

> Y'all might want to keep your eyes on:
>
> http://www.ticketmaster.com/events/PERFORMANCES/LISA_GERRARD/
>
> for tour information, venues and such.
>
> At this time, unfortunately, it seems to only have the NYC show listed.
> But I thought I'd clue y'all in anyway.
> -shill, not normally in the habit of saying y'all

Hey y'all, i suggest looking at the info available at:


It's amazing how many shows they have listed for a stupid little town
 like baton rouge.  Of course it'd be cool if there were a pram or
 tarnation or lisa gerrard coming to see me.  I dunno if i'm up to
 a 17 hour drive to chicago, or perhaps a 30 hour hitchhike.

By the by, pollstar's a trade magazine used by music clubs and such, as
 well as other more obviously commercial parts of the music industry.
 Most bands with booking agents (almost all bands on major labels and a
 surprisingly large number of indie bands) get to look at the magazine
 and see which of their friends is making more money than them, and which
 friends can't manage to fill a 50 capacity bar.  Fun for the whole family.


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 01:15:42 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Autechre::Tri Repetae (fwd)


yay yay yay...

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:30 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Nuutti Meril=E4inen (nmerilai@tsac.tampere.fi)
Subject: Autechre::Tri Repetae


=20
autechre. tri repetae. 6 november 1995.
warp records ltd. warplp/cd/mc38(p).

1 dael
2 clipper
3 leterel
4 rotar=20
5 stud
6 eutow
7 c.pach
8 gnit
9 overand
10 rsdio

  I thought that I would never be as enthusiastic about anything else than
getting a full collection of Richard James' recordings, though it is outrig=
ht
impossible. Personally I have rated Autechre always second after the Aphex
Twin on my personal favourites list, but since the release of "Anti", they
have been on top. "Tri Repetae" compared to "...I Care Because You Do"? No
contest. Richard James has stated that he dislikes the overuse of common
drum machines, yet he habitually uses them. Autechre have gotten themselves
of the hook, and created sounds that are distinguishable and vivid, yet nev=
er
the same; there is always a small tweak there, a hiss, a scratch. Admitted,
Sean Booth and Rob Brown tend to go toward minimalism, but with so much inn=
er
complexity! The layering of simple sounds, uncomparable to others I have ev=
er
heard, with rhythm elements of chaotic and unknown origin creates an aural
landscape of unspeakable beauty. "Tri Repetae" is an album worth more than
most of us will pay for it. I was hoping to write a track-by-track dissecti=
on,
but I do not wish to spoil the mood of this record by tearing the structure=
 to
bits. I just want to say that if I play anything else than "Tri Repetae" fo=
r
two weeks, I must be sleepwalking or gone completely bonkers.
  As Jon Burrell said in the results of his 1994 IDM poll, "Autechre to go =
to
new heights". He was right.


--=20
Nuutti 'Gordon' Meril=E4inen  1st Year Student @ =
The
Tampere School Of Art And Communications/Comms. Dept./Multimedia Production


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:21:56 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Reviews/Opinions etc (long)


I've making the people at the local CD stores rather happy over the
last to weeks with my purchases and orders.  Before I attempt a
bash at this reviewing business using my rather limited literary
talents I must sound a warning.  Remember one of the great noise
generators from last year?  Watts aka Hement, is seriously
contemplating rejoining 4AD-L.  I'll go and sort the boy out at
lunch. ;-) Actually the man has informed opinions it would be nice to
have him back.

(i) Heavenly Voices III

This remark does not carry that much weight since I have not bought
that much this year, but this is my best buy of the year.  This is a
really well put together compilation with all the tracks really
complementing each other.  Last night whilst listening to it I
started jotting down my favourite tracks.  What a futile exercise.
It would be pointless singling out a "best" track from it. Even the
not so good songs are beautiful, it is just when they compare against
the rest of the album that they pale a little.  I'm not going to give
a song by song analysis as CZ has already posted an excellant review.
What has made this album even more special to me is that due to the
difficulty in getting the albums from which these tracks have been
extracted over here in za, this is the first time I have heard them.
I'm now going to make a serious effort to get hold of full albums by
Love Spirals Downward, Stoa, Bel Canto, Love is Colder than Death.
Woe betide the bank ballance.  Sometimes it is a blessing being in S
Africa as one cannot just march down to the CD store and remove a few
zero's from the savings account due the CD's you want not being
there.  The CD cover is a masterpiece itself, just one gripe though.
The paper is the same material the old Bauhaus covers are made out
of, so it stays permanently marred by your sweaty paws as you
fantasise about how Suzanne Perry et.al. look like when listening to
the music.  Those voices .....aaaaaaarrggghh (cue Homer Simpson
drool).... somehow I imagine them all to look like Liz Hurley.

(ii) Lisa Gerrard - The Mirror Pool

Everything of real value has already been said.  All I can say that I
was a bit disappointed after the first listen after expecting so much
after that now 4AD-l "citation classic" review by e two months ago.
My initial opinion was justified in that I listen to most of my music
for the first time on a small radio with a CD player connected to it
in my lab.  That does no justice to music like this.  Taking it home
and listening to it "very late, very loud and very alone" (as Matt
Johnston suggests his music should be listened to) I really began to
appreciate it.  There are so many interesting subtleties in the music
that make it good.  This is not background music and demands all your
attention to really appreciate it.  As concerning the album cover.
My intial opinion was, "Oh this is nice" , but that which worked in
the past for the people who design the 4AD album covers is now
becoming boring and stale.

(iii) Gothic Rock III - compilation by Mick Mercer

Mick Mercer's second compilation to accompany his book "Gothic Rock"
should have the man laughing all the way to the bank at the way the
'coffin-kids' always seem to be suckered into compilations such as
this.  I was one of the idiots to take a double take whilst flipping
through the new CD arrivals last week, soon finding myself throwing
my hard earned cash at the grinning CD-store owner in one of those
uncontrollable acts of stupidity most of us have come to know. #@%!.
Mind you, this double CD, divided into 80's and 90's goth, is not
that bad.  It is ..... nice, thats all.  The CD should also
find favour with lazy club DJ's who don't want to change CD's
for those people doing a good imitation of dying spiders on the dance
floor who demand nothing apart from the old favourites of Mish, Neph
etc. Surprise inclusions in the 80's compilation include those
brilliant yet undeservedly unrecognised artists Theatre of Hate,
Bolshoi, Virgin Prunes and Red Lorry Yellow Lorry.  I've found that
most of the 90's goth these days to be a poor imitation of the past
masters, with very little originallity.  The tracks on their albums
are usually indistinguishable(sp?) from each other apart from lyric
changes.  What makes disc two in this compilation good is that in
being on a compilation like this makes bands such as Two Witches less
boring hence creating the chimera of being original.  I was really
surprised by the Creaming Jesus track.  Expecting vocals from hell and
granite forged guitars I found a rather nice melody.  Groups on the
90's CD that should find favour with the thislisty folk include Die
Laughing, Ataraxia, The Shroud and Ostia.  All these demand further
investigation and would not be out of place on a Heavenly Voices
compilation.  Has anybody heard of the Italian band Ataraxia, they are
really good?

(iii) The Whip - joint compilation by Cleopatra and Jungle records

I know this is not new and came out in 1993.  The original release
had a limited number of the double CD version after which all you get
then get was the single CD version.  I think they must have reissued
the double CD (how else did the local CD store get it then?) and when
I saw it immediately decided to throw more cash at the still grinning
store owner.  The compilation was put together by Dave Roberts (Sex
Gang Children) and contains a very interesting selection of tracks
from all the less mainstream goth bands.  Many of the bands in fact
emerged during the good 'ol Batcave days when they knew how to make
music.  It is a very good compilation (better than those put together
by Mick Mercer) and a must have for all those into this type of music.
Those who want a track listing and more info can email me as I don't
feel like typing anymore at the moment.

I hope those who lasted this long weren't too bored.
Keep well

    +-+-+-+-+-+
    |Neil   Reality is the illusion caused by the lack of
    |       sex and hard liquor - friend


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:13:10 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Stereolab/geetars/Pale Nudes


Andrew wrote:

>like most of the songs
>on this disc it is written in THE DEVIL'S LANGUAGE)

Oh...d'you mean Stereolab are singing in German now? ;) Ah, how refreshing
it is to see such unabashed xenophilia, especially from a Brit. [pause] You
*were* being ironic, weren't you? If it *is* released domestically in North
America, it would be on Elektra, as was the case with MAQ. Can someone
please let the list know when they see it in a North American store?


>fenders are bright, and
>dinky and twee sounding...

's funny...Kevin Shields says the Jag is dinky-sounding, and given how much
effort he puts into bastardising/modifying the things and seeing how he's
doing endorsements for the Ibanez Talman, I wonder if this means MBV will be
giving up their trusty Jazzes and Jags

>I just wish I could fix mine to my liking.  Unfortunatly, I can barely
>play it, let alone fix all the tech problems.

What seems to be the trouble?

what kind are they?

>don't forget about Miki B. (lush) has a red Rick.

and an ES335-12!

I think they had Ricks in the beginning, but now they're a straight
Strats-and-Les-Pauls kinda band. Ho hum

Umm, I think it's a Jag (big diff, I know)
>they use that fender 6 string bass thingy (that *looks* just like a
>jag.)
>well, the Cure use 'em too. shrug.:)

Ah, the Fender Bass VI...nice, but too bloody hard to find. Likewise the Jag
12-string

>But what's the tonal difference between Fender Jazzmasters, Jag's, and
>Strats?  A Fender is a Fender is a Fender, huh?
Despite having a vastly better whammy bar system, Jazzmasters and Jags never
really caught on as the top-of-the-line models they were meant to be. But
really it's just that they're more interesting than Strats and Teles,
sonically and visually

[Amy Denio]
>she's in a group out on a Swiss label called "pale nudes".
They're a Czech band, right? I was actually going to ask if anyone knew
anything but it seemed to obscure (plus I thought they were called the Naked
Saints...whoops). Are there any listers in .cz land? How difficult is it to
get their stuff?

I have no comment on the Fat Skier/House Tornado issue at this time.

Larry
"If you really want to be sure of getting a table, tell them Mr and Mrs
Reserved are coming for dinner"


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:20:23 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Stereolab/geetars/Pale Nudes

              Sep 12, 95 06:13:10 am

Larry Koch  wrote:
>
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >like most of the songs
> >on this disc it is written in THE DEVIL'S LANGUAGE)
>
> Oh...d'you mean Stereolab are singing in German now? ;) Ah, how refreshing
> it is to see such unabashed xenophilia, especially from a Brit. [pause] You
> *were* being ironic, weren't you?

My aversion to the French language comes from being taught it by a man
who was, if not Beelzebub, at least a close friend.  I have nothing
against the French per se, if they want to engage in filthy sexual
practices while munching on garlic and snail baguettes and exploding
atomic bombs in the Pacific, who am I to criticise?  There are some good
things about France, such as L. Sadier, and, um...

Bernard Ingham (Mrs Thatcher's press secretary), when asked if he would
be boycotting French goods, replied that being an Englishman he didn't
own anything made in France.

That's enough xenophobia for the while.  On a music-related note, does
anyone know where the Main tracks "V" and "VI" are to be found?  (I have
already asked on the droneon list).


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 12/09/95
On my walkman this morning : The Fall - The Infotainment Scan
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:37:45 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Re: Stereolab/geetars/Pale Nudes


Larry wrote about amy denio and the pale nudes

> They're a Czech band, right? I was actually going to ask if anyone
> knew anything but it seemed to obscure (plus I thought they were
> called the Naked Saints...whoops). Are there any listers in .cz land?
> How difficult is it to get their stuff?

No, the band consists of Amy Denio (who is from Seattle), Wadi Gysi and Chris
Cutler who is formerly of Henry Cow--that seminal british art band of the
seventies. :)  Fred Frith, who was with Henry Cow has also played with Amy on
one of the Tone Dogs CDs.

The CD I'm looking at is actually called _the (EC) nudes_.  I don't know what
the "(EC)" stands for, but they go by the name _the pale nudes_ now.  This was
their first CD and it is on the RecRec(?) label.  The US distribution is on
Cuneiform, so it not be so hard to find in the US.

If you want any additional information like addresses, etc. I can provide that
as well.


marvynHortman

PS I went to LSU and I must say Baton Rouge had some pretty good bands come
there back in the early 80s...anybody remember the Screaming Sirens?

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:22:37 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Alison's Halo


  Hi everyone.  I just got Alison's Halo in the mail yesterday.  I am
very impressed by a number of things an dthought I'd share......
  First off, I'm really impressed by how quickly they got it to me.  I
asked for the cassette and 7" single and had them in my hot little hands
in under two weeks.  Fabulous, considering most other orders I've placed
like this with other people take Weeks, if not months.

   Second.....the vinyl single's packaging.  This is one of those records
worth buying just for the package.  It comes in a really neat foldover
envelope with a three color desert print.  Beautiful.  There's also a
neat-o insert, but of what I forgot.  But I tell ya, if I saw this in a
store, I'd buy it just for the package.

    Third the music inside......I got the "dozen/calender" vinyl single and
"Leech" cassette, which has three trakcs.  I liked "Leech" better, but
both pieces are brilliant.  Reminded me of some Cocteau, some Slowdive,
and of sugaredglowing by lovesliescrushing (another great Phoenix area
dreampop band.  What's going on down there?).  The voclas weren't so
buried in the mix and the vocalist really comes across well, with a great
voice.  Are they coming out with a full length any time soon?  I would
love to see/hear more from them.  If you'd like to get ahold of them and
their stuff (and I highly recommend that you do), they are on the
dreampop list at whirl@primenet.com.  Get in touch.  You won't regret it.

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       Puisse Dieu m'aimer assez pour ne pas me laisser vivre ni un mois
                   ni un jour si je n'ai plus le desir d'aimer.

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
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