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Subject: Re: Liz Fraser & Mark Clifford
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:34:35 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: gerrard in D.C.
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:05:05 -0400
From: "...Luminatus..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: brief cocteau news..
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:51:02 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: lisa (was Garbage)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:49:49 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard tour dates?
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:09:31 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: Chalk one up for the cute li'l goth boy...
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:08:08 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard shows
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:30:27 +0200
From: Christophe Demunter (Christophe.Demunter@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: LG live
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:18:57 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Lisa in Concert! Where? Aha...
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:29:45 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Thislisty cd's for sale
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:38:08 -0500
From: dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU
Subject: Lisa Gerrard info
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:46:04 -0500
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard shows
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:22:19 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: pram/tarnation show in la
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:25:53 -0700
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: 2 Amps debut singles???
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:11:57 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Factory Records
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:31:46 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Review of Live Pram/Laika show
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:54:15 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: sanvean video...
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:26:20 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:34:35 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Liz Fraser & Mark Clifford

              Sep 10, 95 09:34:52 pm

"Michael R. M. Cheselka"  wrote:
>
> Seems like they are refering to Milk and Kisses, except it should be
> out on Fontana, right?

No, the report was of a Clifford/Fraser project, not the new Cocteaus
album.  Found "Ancient Lights and the Blackcore", compilation which
includes three new Seefeel tracks, at the weekend.  One long Scorn
track, three so-so Seefeel pieces (one of which is very short), a
recording by David Toop of a lot of South American Shamen shouting and
shuffling, and something by Timothy "having cancer is great" Leary which
I haven't got round to listening to yet.  One for obsessive Seefeel fans
only, I think.  Comes from that well known nation of occult shamanic
ritual, Belgium.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 11/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Mazzy Star
Find also in the sound a thought,


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:05:05 -0400
From: "...Luminatus..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: gerrard in D.C.


hey todd et al;

u know, i was going to charge my tix with tixmazterz, and it would come to
        about $67, including $5 charge for each tix, and mailing (that i was
        a bit confused about).  anyway, i just cancelled the whole thing,
        and walked to my fave disc store, and bought my two tix for only
        $57.50 (doh, a mere $9.5 save, but that will most likely be a poster
        or t i can buy *smile*).
the point in this post is, tixmazterz is evil.  :)  avoid them if u can.

Joh, who is not a pearl jam fan, but respects the fight.

On Sun, 10 Sep 1995 TS61822@AOL.COM wrote:

> just got my tickets for the oct 8th show in dc of lisa gerrard at gaston hall
> ( major deja vu since i first saw dcd at gaston in 1990)
>
> 3 tics at the dreaded ticketmaster prices came to $83.25
>
> see you all there
>
>
> todd sanders
>
>
> all our movements are the air the understanding
>


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:51:02 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: brief cocteau news..


Hi Everyone,

so i am in london now and met up with Robin sevearl times. Internet
access at a cafe is rather expensive, so i'll be brief.Expect some sort
of internet broadcast of a live session. There will also be a mini video
on enhanced CD along with one of the singles. Once i get some more
details and have free internet access at\ their studio, i'll report some
more. BUt please don't write to the cocteaus and ask them about these
projects. I am not sure i am even suppose to be saying this shit, but oh
well. Anyway, i am no longer on the list, so email me personally if you
want or need somehing.


jack


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:49:49 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: lisa (was Garbage)


You wrote:
>
>On Sat, 9 Sep 1995, Kayleigh wrote:
>
>> still say Lisa Gerrard and voice rival that of some of the operatic
>> singers of today.  The resonance and timber of her tone is
absolutely
>> incredible.  I appluad her for releasing such a artistic endeavor.
>> Here, here!
>
>For her to come close to opera singers she'd first have to get a big
bad
> attitude.  Seriously, she'd need some (more) training: her singing is
> lacking in physical power, though she could fix that with a year or
so
> of training.  Brendan Perry, on the other hand, has a decent natural
> voice but would have to work a long long time to get anything
resembling
> power or depth in his voice.  Lisa does have a lot of versatility,
which
> is missing and not really required of many opera singers.  One thing
i
> find is that i like her singing on some older (pre-aion) albums . . .
> in listening to the mirror pool, i get the feeling that she's been
> singing high too much, and her lower voice has really suffered.
>But i'd rather not compare lisa to opera singers.  She'd be better off
> singing in catholic masses rather than performing in some supposedly
> outrageous part to a crowd of rich people with "taste".  Maybe we
> could compare lisa gerrard with diamanda galas, then compare galas to
> kathleen battle . . .
>
>I got the tarnation album the same time i got the mirror pool, and
while
> the voice of the singer in tarnation isn't nearly as good as lisa
gerrard's,
> she uses it to much better effect in my opinion.  I'm gonna have to
go
> get s'more country records.  The mirror pool is nice, but it's kinda
blah
> to me.  One song is relatively challenging, and the handel piece
disgusts
> me.  She'd be better off doing varese or webern.
>
>kagin
>
well, guess you told me off...shouldn't take me so literally...lighten
up and the Handle piece is great so ;p

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:09:31 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard tour dates?


Sorry if I've been sleeping under a rock someplace, but has anyone published
a list of Lisa Gerrard tour dates and locations?  I've been seeing a lot
of posts to the 4AD mailing list regarding purchasing tickets, but I have
no idea what dates or where she's touring.  Can someone help?

...or at least let me know when and where she'll be in the San Diego/LA area
(preferably San Diego).

Thanks,

--Mike

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:08:08 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Chalk one up for the cute li'l goth boy...


On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Roy Burns wrote:

> What in the hell are you going on about? Do you mean Stevo?
>

No silly!!  I'm talking about ME!!!

And yes, it IS slave labor, but all the free 4AD stuff I can get my hands
on.... so I guess that's SOME sort of payment :)


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:30:27 +0200
From: Christophe Demunter (Christophe.Demunter@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard shows


She's playing over here very soon, and I was wondering if someone on the
list already catched a show of this current tour ???
Is it like a DCD-show ?
I mean, is there a lot of difference between LG playing live and DCD
playing live ??




 Christophe Demunter,
 Gent, Belgium.


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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:18:57 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: LG live


Lisa Gerrard live is more of an intimate affair. More
like a chamber orchestra plus vocalist than a full blown
Dead Can Dance concert. If you like her music, then
prepare to be swept off your feet. But don't expect ANY
Dead Can Dance numbers. At AVAM and the shows after it,
her performances were all new solo material, and I would
imagine it's going to be exactly the same this time.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:29:45 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Lisa in Concert! Where? Aha...


>Sorry if I've been sleeping under a rock someplace, but has anyone published
>a list of Lisa Gerrard tour dates and locations?  I've been seeing a lot
>of posts to the 4AD mailing list regarding purchasing tickets, but I have
>no idea what dates or where she's touring.  Can someone help?


Sunday 9/17/95 :        Ghent, Voorult
Monday 9/18/95:         Ghent, Voorult
Wednesday 9/20/95:      Bremen, Glocke
Thursday 9/21/95:       Berlin, Passionkirche
Saturday 9/23/95:       Dusseldorf, R. Schumann Hall
Monday 9/25/95:         Amsterdam, Carre (this is where I will be!)
Wednesday 9/27/95:      Paris, Salle Gaveau
Thursday 9/28/95:       Rouen,Theatre de la Ville
Sunday 10/1/95 :        London, Union Chapel
Thursday 10/5/95:       Boston, Berkeley
Friday 10/6/95:         Philadelphia, TLA
Sunday 10/8/95:         Washington, Gaston
Monday 10/9/95:         New York, Town Hall
Wednesday 10/11/95:     Detroit, Institute of Art
Friday 10/13/95:        Montreal
Saturday 10/14/95 :     Toronto, Music Hall
Monday 10/16/95:        Minneapolis, Guthrie
Tuesday 10/17/95:       Chicago, Athenium
Thursday 10/19/95:      Denver, Cen Pres Church
Sunday 10/22/95:        Seattle
Tuesday 10/24/95:       San Francisco, Palace of Fine Arts
Wednesday 10/25/95:     Los Angeles, Wiltem


from the DCD www pages: http://www.nets.com/dcd/dcdnews.html





Emiel Efdee

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:38:08 -0500
From: dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU
Subject: Thislisty cd's for sale


Summer has ended, and once again, I'm pruning my CD collection to make way
for the new, eliminate redundancy, and pay the rent.  CD's will generally
go to first claimant (no bidding), but preference will be given to larger
orders.  Add $2 for shipping to U.S. addresses, regardless of order
size.

price
__
 6 Balanescu Quartet: Possessed < strings ala kronos cover kraftwerk et al
                                 miranda sex garden contribute some vocals
 6 Cocteau Twins: Love's Easy Tears EP        < great EP, relativity issue
10 Colourbox: self-titled             < dub & dance tracks on 4AD   import
 6 Flying Saucer Attack: self-titled      < garage shoegaze, w/ boy singer
 6 Flying Saucer Attack: Further      < cross Pygmalion w/ bloweyelashwish
 6 Glass Eye: Bent by Nature          < quirky college pop, male/femme vox
 6 Glass Eye: Hello Young Lovers       < smart lyrics with groovy fretless
12 Pixies: Surfer Rosa/Come on Pilgrim($10)  < together! rough trade issue
 6 Pixies: Doolittle                   < more mock-nihilist noisy surf pop
 6 Sonic Youth: Confusion is Sex      < early experimental fret scratching
10 Sonic Youth: Bad Moon Rising     < import quasiambient noise concept lp
 6 Stoa: Urthona    < orchestral goth, like In the Nursery, male/femme vox
 6 Transglobal Underground: International Times          < arab/hiphop/dub
        (it was rumoured that singer Natacha Atlas's solo would be on 4ad)
10 Virgin Prunes: If I Die... < like Burning from Inside colin newman prod
10 Wolfgang Press: Funky Little Demons< embittered funk, import w/remix cd

The preceeding is a truncated list, geared to the interests of this group.
The complete list, available by request, also includes albums by:

Gavin Bryars, Burning Spear, Tracy Chapman, Clash, Dread Zone,
Killing Joke, Bob Marley, mu-Ziq, Conlon Nancarrow, Ryuchi Sakamoto,
10,000 Maniacs, UB40, Voice of Eye & Life Garden

Kindly send your replies to me directly, and not to the whole list.
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:46:04 -0500
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard info


Y'all might want to keep your eyes on:


for tour information, venues and such.

At this time, unfortunately, it seems to only have the NYC show listed.
But I thought I'd clue y'all in anyway.
-shill, not normally in the habit of saying y'all

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:22:19 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard shows


if someone would post concert dates regardless of city that would be
appreciated, probably by most of us and if not, well then you can just
hit the delete key.

cheers, euthelene (da' uth, funkee girl)

work backwards from reality.


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:25:53 -0700
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: pram/tarnation show in la


This Wednesday Luna Park in LA features shows
by 4AD's Tarnation and Too Pure's Pram. One thing
is certain: it's going to be unusual.

Also coming soon (check LA Weekly)

Ivy and Edwyn Collins
Faith and Disease, Love Spirals Downwards, Trance to the Sun
Lisa Gerrard
Laurie Anderson (just thought I'd throw her in)
Laika and Tricky

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:11:57 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: 2 Amps debut singles???


Last week NME announced TWO Tammy And Her Amps (= Kim Deal)  debut singles,
the first one 'Pacer' to be released September 25, the other one 'Tipp City'
to be released October 9. Huh????

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:31:46 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Factory Records


The Factory Too website is at http://www.u-net.com/factory/

If you do a general search for factory & records you will also unearth a
fan-run discography/lyric archive.

The Hacienda must be (re)built!! (OK, so its still standing, but you know
what I mean....)


Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:54:15 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Review of Live Pram/Laika show


Pure Showcase + Friends

[Disclaimer, other than hearing Laika's album, I am very
unfamilar with any of these bands. I will not even attempt a set
list. Sorry.]

I arrived as the second band of the evening, Pram were setting
up. In the background was playing some wicked dub electronic wild
beats. Later I found out it was a DJ spinning, but just what I
don't know. Anyways, it helped set the atmosphere of the evening
- the groove.

Pram was a bunch of weirdos. Female singer, drummer a cheap trick
look alike, and the guitarist in a glittery shirt. Plenty of
other instruments and players on the stage. Previously I had only
heard good things about the band from newsgroups and mailing
lists. First the positives, an incredibly tight band, good
players, weird sounds. The result? The most serious fun band I've
heard in a long time! Their sound was just insane, crazyness from
all around. Very much an outer space type of vibe. They put on a
show which made me laugh and dance at the same time. From the
first chord, my smile did not leave until they left the
stage. What is even better was they were the cosmic
groovers. Really fun *AND* funny stuff. A GREAT live show - see
them if you get a chance and have a good laugh. It feels good.

Next the DJ spinning some more wicked dub/groove/electronics -
dunno, was this one of the Juggle DJs from the Monday night
party, Konkrete Jungle? Gotta find out as he was playing some
wicked stuff - funky and *hard*.

Jessamine was the band with no eyes. Pretty much the whole gig,
all the band memebers (that I could see) had their eyes
closed. Not horrible, as they were playing some lovely drone, but
still not very charismatic at the same time. They actually had a
great set - again, very groovey - out of this world bliss type
music. Drone, but punctuated by drums, etc. Loved that Moog
though - great sound quality.

DJ break again while equiptment was broken down and Laika's set up.
Also this time a graphical interlude - like the old blotter
projections. This looked weird against the wetlands mural of a
pond scene with crane and all.

Laika were also a very spacy type of rhymthic band. Sadly the set
was plagued by sound problems, vocals slowly becoming inaudible,
and instruments gradually disappearing from the mix. However, no
one in the audience let that bother them and those on-stage
started joking about it eventually. As CMJ is a media event,
flashes were going off like fireworks ever few mins. I never can
understand how musicians can not be bothered by the constant
picture taking at these shows! Very boucy, syth lead songs - with
rumba and similar keyboard beats leading live drums, hand-drums,
guitar and bass. Again, monster grooves which just cary you. Live
Laika was excellent. I was even more impressed as I haven't quite
gotten the hang of the album yet. Fun lead singer, elven like -
cute skull-cap.

Last up was Sea and Cake. To complete the evening, this was
anther groove heavy band. However, the vocals set me off, it was
getting late, I needed to go to work in the morning and things
were not clicking. They seemed like a fine band, but the out of
this world sound effects were missing and it just didn't seem to
fit. I'm sure their a wonderful band, and I'll probably make sure
to see them live again in the future. However, the night was over
by then.

Again, three really good live bands with a outer space type
groove. Don't miss this line-up if they are touring near you at all!

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:26:20 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: sanvean video...


i caught the video for lisa gerrard's _sanvean_ on a local video show
last night.  really nice tinted black&white stuff.  i don't remember it
too well (it was late, i had wine...), but the best shot was lisa behind
some glass that had water flowing down it.  very 23 envelope (not v23).....it
made me really miss nigel and his cool photography (like the tmc portraits).
anyway, i thought some of you would enjoy knowing that it does exist.

she really has a thing for this song doesn't she???

   .hush.
        .mark.....for once glad to be in colorado where lisa tickets
        were only $36 for two.