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Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:39:16 -0400
From: Bert Vincent Laonipon (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:35:22 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:54:09 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: guitar talk yada yada yada
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:36:38 -0700
From: ESP NoisegIRLY and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: scheer / la shows / the almighty gibson...
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:31:39 -0700
From: ESP NoisegIRLY and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Kristin Hersh - No Hair Shock!
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:20:28 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: stereolab's refried ectoplasm
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 02:34:48 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins Need Fire
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:58:40 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab's refried ectoplasm
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:23:21 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:32:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Chalk one up for the cute li'l goth boy...
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:07:59 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: stereolab's refried ectoplasm
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:50:05 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: bootlegs in general
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:54:17 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: stereolab's refried ectoplasm
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:02:23 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:39:16 -0400
From: Bert Vincent Laonipon (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD


> I can confirm that there is no 'A kissed out float boat', instead it
> is 'Aikea-Guinea'.  I have trouble believing a fan could have made
> this mistake.  Could there be a legal reason for doing this?

I believe so.  It seems that every bootleg of any band I have ever seen
has several misspelled song titles.  One 10,000 Maniacs bootleg I have
doesn't even have the band's name as 10,000 Maniacs!  I guess this
protects from copyright violation in some way, or at least all these
people think it does.

my 2 shillings


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:35:22 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


>> >which I've never seen before
>>
>> hey, our guitarist has one of those!!! i am not allowed to touch it!
he
>> loves it to death. he said that they went out of print the year
before
>> he got it. whenever that was. it sounds beautiful.
>
>Which one?  There are 3 to pick from.
>
ummm, i'm not sure! all i know is that it is white, it is a gibson
ES335. it has f-holes, black pickplate, etc. i'm not sure of the
hardware or anything. does this help???

>>  what guitars do you
>> guys play. it seems every dreampop band has at least one
Rickenbacker
>> and one fender jaguar or jazzmaster. am i wrong????
>>
>I play a Fender jAZZMASTER.

>I suppose it's a matter of good taste (aesthetically speaking).
>That, and they're good guitars...
>Rickenbackers are nice and jangly, while the fenders are bright, and
>dinky and twee sounding... at least when it's clean (channel wise).

yeah, he always says how completely different all of his guitars sound.
shrug. i think i see what you are saying... he says the same. :)

>                  -jOHN writing this for the 2nd time (1st time got
erased)

I HATE THAT!!!!!! sometimes i don't even bother writing it again.

                                                -robert.


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:54:09 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD


> Having said all this, does anyone know of any Cocteau boots that are from
> soundboard?  I would love to hear them.  This is the only live boot I
> have ever seen by them.

I have never heard a Cocteau boot I liked. In fact I have never
heard ANY boot I've liked, period. I'm not an expert on bootlegs
but I have always been disappointed by muddy/muffled sound
quality with absolutely no dynamic range. Obviously soundboard
recordings would eliminate the problem. I know of one these
for the Cocteaus: the Columbus, Ohio show from years ago
(1987?) set up by Tim Anstaett of the Offense Newsletter.
The problem here was with the sound mix being put out
from the board-- the vocals were too low for much of the show,
overall the mix wasn't too good.

Before anyone asks, I'm afraid I have to say that I can't
make copies of this tape. Besides now having absolutely no way
to duplicate tapes, it would be a conflict of interest, having been
given the responsibility of working out a fan club by Robin Guthrie
himself. I don't know the band's attitude regarding live tapes,
so until I do, I need uncategorically to decline any requests.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:36:38 -0700
From: ESP NoisegIRLY and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: guitar talk yada yada yada


On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

> MBV: the jazzmaster/jag band par excellence (with the occasional Charvel
> Surfcaster)
> Lush: one Jag
> Slowdive: one Rick (Neil's), the rest are all Teles and Strats
> Cocteaux: one of every kind of guitar ever made
> Umm...anyone else have info?

  yeah...
  hnia: really ugly guitars...ESP that teal one!!!!...


  warren's the SurgeMaster,
  nOISEYgIRLYlOOP k

  ...my j done up and left me, so i'm going
    to abuse his jazzmaster for 6 days...


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:31:39 -0700
From: ESP NoisegIRLY and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: scheer / la shows / the almighty gibson...


  i forgot when scheer were supposed to release something..can someone
  clue me in?

  also, anyone going to head over to see pram next week in LA? how
  about laika/tricky sooon after? medicine on the 20th? me and my
  jazzMASTER jOHN will be in attendance if anyone wants to wave and
  make annoying faces at us... i'll be the girl with all the bruises
  on her legs... :(

  as for gibsons, my wish list is for the one, the only 335 {cherry,
  please...preferably with f-holes and SILVER hardware}..then a nice
  les paul {black or a nice deep green stain...yum...}. from there, i'll
  move on to the fender jaguar...muahahahaha.....


  i'd like to be a digital delay,
  nOISEgIRL k

  ...your new ayn rand mega-enthusiast... read her. love her. live her.


Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:20:28 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Kristin Hersh - No Hair Shock!


This week's NME features a pub chat between Kristin H, Ian McCulloch
and the Boo Radleys' Martin Carr.  KH has gone for the Dolores Cranberry
haircut, i.e. slightly longer than Frank Black's, but not much. Pram's
latest LP gets the worst review I have ever seen in the magazine, too.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 07/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 02:34:48 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: stereolab's refried ectoplasm


hey!

i was just wondering if this cd is an import-only cd or is it going to be
be released by american/too pure in the us?

if yes, when?

also wondering if anyone has a review of th faith healers' "l"?  how is it?

thanks!


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:58:40 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins Need Fire


On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> One of the tracks: NEED FIRE by the COCTEAU TRIO, and it sounds like any
> late CT track
>
> Is this a new track? (I haven't bought every CT-release since their move to
> that other label)

this is a new track, yes.  ....and i suggest you listen to it again,
preferably at a high volume.  to me, it's nothing like the pleasant
trilogy of BBK, HOLV, & FCC.  they've moved on.......it's more like
seefeel, if you must know, but it's also very much a work of
robinlizsimon.  this is the single most amazing piece of music the
cocteaus have done in some time (and i _liked_ FCC).  be looking forward
to the two new eps as it seems they're going to be brilliant......

thanks be to einexile.thanks be to neil.thanks be to spiral.thanks be to
seefeel.......

        .charoletteforever. (vaguely obscure reference of the week)
                        .mark.


Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:23:21 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: stereolab's refried ectoplasm

              "lushmuse" at Sep 7, 95 02:34:48 am

lushmuse  wrote:
>
> i was just wondering if this cd is an import-only cd or is it going to be
> be released by american/too pure in the us?

Stereolab haven't been on Too Pure since "Space Age Batchelor Pad", all
their subsequent releases in the UK have been on their own Duophonic
label, so I'd guess that American didn't pick them up with the rest of
the Too Pure bands.  There's a superb Stereolab WWW page at


but it seems to be down at the moment - usually there's a complete
discography etc.

>
> also wondering if anyone has a review of th faith healers' "l"?  how is it?
>

It's an incomplete collection of their early EPs, a bit rough-sounding
and Th'Faith Healers were never my favourite band, but not bad.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 07/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow


Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:32:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD

              

Bert Vincent Laonipon (that last name is the legendary missing track from
Treasure) wrote:

>It seems that every bootleg of any band I have ever seen
>has several misspelled song titles.  One 10,000 Maniacs bootleg I have
>doesn't even have the band's name as 10,000 Maniacs!  I guess this
>protects from copyright violation in some way, or at least all these
>people think it does.

Hmm, I doubt it very much indeed.  Certainly I've bought a few Joy Division
vinyl bootlegs where the name of the band was deliberately changed to
something completely different on the record label (for example, Ian and
the Sunshine Boys) for that sort of reason, but the basic fact is that many
(most?) bootlegs are just churned out to make a quick buck, not as some
sort of careful loving artistic tribute.

My evidence for this?  I used to pick up quite a few Joy Division bootlegs
back in the early eighties and it seemed clear to me that many of them
were, if not labours of love, at least well produced (eg., Le Terme,
Komakino, Warsaw etc.).  But around the mid-eighties, there was a flood of
shoddily produced (in the wider sense of the word) rip-offs.  Every one had
the same very basic sleeve and they all shared a crap sound quality.  It
always makes me laugh when I see people trying to make lists of all Joy
Division (or New Order) bootlegs because they always miss all these crappy
albums.  As if *anyone* could produce anything even approaching a complete
Joy Division or New Order bootleg list!

My guess is that a similar situation pertains with other popular groups
(10000 Maniacs, The Cocteaus) and that the mispelt song titles are just the
result of careless production (again, in the widest sense of the word)
values.  Who gives a fuck about spelling Cocktoe write if yer just out to
make money!

Simon Hughes


Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:07:59 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Chalk one up for the cute li'l goth boy...


What in the hell are you going on about? Do you mean Stevo?


Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:50:05 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: stereolab's refried ectoplasm


someone posted that this was a new material, well not really...just
stuff released as singles which were for the most part available in the
US.  this is just a happy package of this stuff.  i now bow out to a
more learned Sterelob-aholic than I to fill in the gaps or beat me with
their words.

baabye, euthelene

work backwards from reality, and get rid of that damn envelope already.

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:54:17 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: bootlegs in general


and misspellings occur because of lnaguage barries, often times the
"producers" are working from aural information only.  and we al know
how well phoenic spelling worked in the US, i am a victum (see?)
myself.  ever see merchandise from China?  they bootleg everything they
can, i have a sweatshirt that has Mickey Duck on it, no kidding.  i've
also seen watches that say cola coke too.  so there's my
rationalization for misspellings and isn't that special...

cheers, euthelene

work backwards from reality, and while you're at it get rid of that
damn envelope already...


Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:02:23 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: stereolab's refried ectoplasm


On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, lushmuse wrote:

> hey!
>
> i was just wondering if this cd is an import-only cd or is it going to be
> be released by american/too pure in the us?
>
> if yes, when?

        Yes, it's going to be released in the US on Drag City Records.
Stereolab are no longer signed to Too Pure. I would suspect that the
album will be out shortly.
                                noah


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