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Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:18:09 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: BEAR
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:40:44 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Chalk one up for the cute li'l goth boy...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:47:01 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA??
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:54:43 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ESP going once....twice.... (update)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:41:07 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:16:15 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:39:11 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: illuminati de 4ad...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:03:27 -0400
From: "...Future Dr. J.H. Rodrigues..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Stereolab & Pram
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:17:58 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: FACTORY RECORDS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:43:30 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Pram
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 00:54:55 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: !hunkahunkapapaliebe!
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:23:19 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Pram
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:59:16 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Facing the Wrong Way Promo
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:05:40 -0500
From: Intergalactic Garage (igg@INTREPID.NET)
Subject: Yay!
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:17:32 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:07:34 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: drunk on the pope's blood
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:24:43 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Pram
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:29:00 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:44:07 CDT
From: Ryan Mak (rmak@COMM.MOT.COM)
Subject: another RHP concert
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:34:26 -0700
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard Chicago Tour Date
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:09:00 EDT
From: TOM HOMULKA (THOMULKA@SPL.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: FACTORY RECORDS
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:29:45 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:06:06 -0700
From: Jesse Mullene (mullenej@NOVA.EDMONDS.WEDNET.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH! interactive...thing
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:44:50 -0400
From: Michael Franz (mfranz@GAYSOURCE.COM)
Subject: the Dirt Eaters Live in DC
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:10:15 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard Chicago Tour Date
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:23:36 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard Chicago Tour Date
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:41:58 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins Need Fire
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:21:32 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: drunk on the pope's blood
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:20:36 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Amy Dinaio in HOUSTON, WED. SEPT. 6
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:05:16 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Re: Gibsons/Closedown (Guitars, Guitars, Guitars)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:48:54 -0400
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: guitar talk yada yada yada
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:14:20 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:18:09 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD


        Is this a good quality boot?


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:40:44 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: BEAR


My box of goodies came in the mail the other day.  For now I will present a
review of the BEAR "Tracks" CD5:

The band consists of:

Sally Crewe:  Bass/Vocals
Chris Trout (yes, THE Chris Trout):  Guitar/Vocals
Mark Loose Parsons:  Drums

The ep is released on Lazy Brown Dog records via (whatever that means --
maybe the us label) BGR records.  The cover art is almost all white with a
small b/w picture of a dog sled (complete with dogs!).  On the inside of
the booklet is a picture of a polar bear walking through the snow with the

"Travelling from nowhere to nowhere in a world all white, suspended in time
and space, only the BEAR matters"

The CD contains three songs:

1.  Counting (10:35)

Sally sings this one.  The song starts out with a low, subtle bass line
with a hint of guitar in the background.  Sally, the drums, and the guitar
slowly join in.  The vocals are pretty straight-forward and simple, but the
music rises in intensity (distortion creeps in here) at the chorus, falls
thereafter.  Somewhere around the middle of the song (5 min or so), the
guitars and drums take a leave of absence, leaving the bass to play a few
simple chords before the guitar joins in again.  The music once again gets
loud and scary.  The whole song has kind of a "Henry" (off of Pale Saints
"Slow Buildings") feeling to it, but in a good way.  Not terribly complex,
not absolutely brilliant, but a good song which made me want to hear more.

2.  Never Die (4:30)

Chris does the vox on this one.  Now this is one wierd track.  It starts
out with distortion, then slows with Chris' distinctive voice at the
forefront.  The vox remind me of Messers. Hyde, but the music has a more
dreampop-type feel to it.  This strange juxtaposition  creates a really
interesting mood.  Eventually the music speeds up to a really wierd
polka-meets-rock tempo, the mood becomes happier, but the lyrics are
social-commentary ala-Stereolab.  Chris mockingly alludes to the Smiths'
"Panic" with the line, "Hang the disco, only joking.   Burn the DJ, only
joking.  Same old white-boy guilt thing. . .I'm only talking.  I'm only
singing.  I'm only thinking out loud."  Great song.

3.  Not Even People (5:25)

Has the same sad, half-metal-ish feel to it as the first song/early second
song did.  Minimal distortion and noise, lots of emotion, but not as
brilliant as "Never Die."  Chris sings again.


Overall, the ep is what the band claims to be:  British Experimental Art
Rock.  The music is not complex, and could easily be duplicated, though the
influences are many.  The only effects that are used are distortion and a
little feedback on track two, so don't expect another "Pocketful of Dust"
or "Messers. Hyde."  This is indeed rock.  The second track is well worth
the $10 I paid for the CD by itself.  My only lament is that Chris doesn't
play piano on the disc.

When I get time to, I'll review the 2 AC Temple CDs (yes, I did go nuts on
Chris Trout, but they were cheap!) I got as well as the new Half-String CD.

bye,

eric


"We believe and then we grieve and then we die."
        Bear "Not Even People"

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:47:01 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Chalk one up for the cute li'l goth boy...


This is only about 85% official, but...


    It looks like there's gonna be ANOTHER Ivo at 4AD reeeeeal soon (like
next week)


...and I'll give ya a hint as to who it is:  this guy pronounces it Eeeeevo.


Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!


*she looks just like an angel...*

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:54:43 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA??

              HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA??
              HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA??
              HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA?? HUNKPAPA???HUNKPAPA??
              HUNKPAPA???!?

On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Scott G. Hamilton wrote:

> >"University" marks the
> >first time that a Sire Muses LP bears a cover that is a true v23 design (I'm
> >excluding singles).  It's interesting to note that "Chains Changed" is the
> >one v23 concession to the Muses burning desire to have themselves on the
> >cover.
> >
> gotta take issue with this opinion.  true, the band's picture does appear
> inside of the "university" cd booklet.  but if it was ever the "burning
> desire" of the muses as a whole to "have themselves on the cover" (which i
> doubt), it apparently wasn't and isn't kristin's.  in a radio interview she
> did in los angeles shortly after the release of "university", kristin said
> rather emphatically: "i don't think i could ever put myself on the cover of
> an album.  it just seems goofy to me.  maybe if i didn't have such a goofy
> face i'd think about it.  but i don't know how many records that would sell."

But she has *been* on her album covers, hasn't she? Doesn't she have
firsthand experience of this?

Maybe I am not getting you..? Well her photo seems at least to sell
magazines. (Not to me, mind you.)


e

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:41:07 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: ESP going once....twice.... (update)


Hi again -

For all who are concerned, high bid for the Liquorice "ESP Remixes" CD stands
at $25.

I'll let the auction go until midnight on Wednesday, so this is a last
chance...

Here's the track listing:

1. Cheap Cuts (radio edit) 2:56
 ESP LIQUORICE MIXES
2. FARM (Team Player) 3:41
3. WAVE (Blew It) 3:10
4. TIME (Trump Suit) 4:22
5. CHEAP (Cheap Cuts) 2:50

...lots of samples, noises, reverbed vocals - typical Warren D. weirdness.
Pretty cool little artifact from Livonia.

Thanks for yr time and space. :)

Gil

usual mindnumbing brilliance - but no store seems to be able to get me the
'real' thing. What's a Pram album without artwork?!?!


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:16:15 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:

> >They seem to be priced upwards of $2000 or so, don't they? And old
> ones are
> >even more pricy. What's your Jazzmaster like - vintage or reissue? A
> friend
> >of mine is interested in getting one. The BB King one is indeed
> cool...by
> >the look of the photos on Pygmalion, Slowdive seem to have a *white*
> ES335,
> >which I've never seen before
>
> hey, our guitarist has one of those!!! i am not allowed to touch it! he
> loves it to death. he said that they went out of print the year before
> he got it. whenever that was. it sounds beautiful.

Which one?  There are 3 to pick from.

>  what guitars do you
> guys play. it seems every dreampop band has at least one Rickenbacker
> and one fender jaguar or jazzmaster. am i wrong????
>
>

I play a Fender jAZZMASTER.

I suppose it's a matter of good taste (aesthetically speaking).
That, and they're good guitars...
Rickenbackers are nice and jangly, while the fenders are bright, and
dinky and twee sounding... at least when it's clean (channel wise).

                  -jOHN writing this for the 2nd time (1st time got erased)

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:39:11 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:

> >They seem to be priced upwards of $2000 or so, don't they? And old
> ones are
> >even more pricy. What's your Jazzmaster like - vintage or reissue? A
> friend
> >of mine is interested in getting one. The BB King one is indeed
> cool...by
> >the look of the photos on Pygmalion, Slowdive seem to have a *white*
> ES335,
> >which I've never seen before
>
> hey, our guitarist has one of those!!! i am not allowed to touch it! he
> loves it to death. he said that they went out of print the year before
> he got it. whenever that was. it sounds beautiful.

Which are you talking about?  The Gibson ES335, the Gibson 335 Lucille,
or the jAZZMASTER?  As far as I know (which really isn't that far), all
three are still being made.

>  what guitars do you
> guys play.

I play a Fender jAZZMASTER...


> it seems every dreampop band has at least one Rickenbacker
> and one fender jaguar or jazzmaster. am i wrong????
>

Hmmm... Guess it's just good taste, I suppose.
All three are really beautiful guitars.
I just wish I could fix mine to my liking.  Unfortunatly, I can barely
play it, let alone fix all the tech problems.

           -j

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:03:27 -0400
From: "...Future Dr. J.H. Rodrigues..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: illuminati de 4ad...


the live cd i saw was live at the YMCA.  thanks for the info, but are u
        saying that "listen up" is not a good cd for someone who is
          not familiar with cabaret voltaire?
thanks;

JHR - Jelatus Hius Rarus


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

> >enlighten me in this one, please.  i came across "Listen Up to Cabaret
> >      Voltaire", a double cd ($18, @ Discorama, NYC), and since i was looking
> >        for a starting point for my CV initiation, i thought that this would
> >          be great.  but since i was a bit low in cash, i let prudence take
> >            charge.  so here i am, asking u all CVnites, should i get this
> >          double cd for sake of appreciation?  is it a good compilation?
> >        or should i get something else?  i did see a live cd there as well,
> >      but the double cd caught my attention.
> >thanks in advance...
>
> 'Listen Up To Cabaret Voltaire'  is a collection of rarities for CV-die
> hards only. I don't know which live CD you saw - they did at least 4: 'Hai
> -Live In Japan', 'Live At The YMCA', 'Live At The Lyceum' and ;Pressure Co.
> Live In Sheffield' - but neither of them is a good starting point. Better
> try: 'The Voice Of America', 'Mix Up', '2x45', The Living Legends', 'Red
> Mecca' or 'The Crackdown'.
>
> Frank
> ++++++++++++
> brink2@xs4all.nl
> ++++++++++++
>

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:17:58 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Stereolab & Pram


Here at last!  "Refried Ectoplasm" is without doubt the finest album
Stereolab have ever released - it covers all the styles from early
head-banging grooves to sweet pop and droning experiments.  "Lo Boob
Oscillator" sums up their entire career in six minutes, starting with a
cheery tune about the Moon being free (I think - like most of the songs
on this disc it is written in THE DEVIL'S LANGUAGE), and winding up with
an orgy of organ droning and choppy guitar.  Comes in a double digipak
thing made out of sturdy wholemeal cardboard, with details on the inside
of where everything comes from - it seems to pretty much wrap up the
Stereolab discography up until "Jenny Ondioline".  Dates may be a bit
dodgy, though - I'm sure I bought my clear vinyl Sub Pop 7" last year,
not in 1993.  I think if the weather was better I'd still be wandering
round Victoria Park with my walkman on 11.

Pram's "Sargasso Sea" is a bit of a letdown - Pram always need to worm
their way into my brain, though, so perhaps it's unfair to judge them on
one listen, especially just after an hour of Stereolab's finest moments.
The new album seems like a step back, though - sparser in sound than
"Helium", not as many risks being taken, and someone should get Rosie
some Prozac.  The lyrics are uniformly dreary stuff about birds
battering their bodies on the window while rain falls from an overcast
sky onto her sore body, etc.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 05/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm
Sophocles long ago


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:43:30 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: FACTORY RECORDS

              Sep 5, 95 08:23:39 pm

Roy Burns  wrote:
 >
 > Look, i know this has nothing to do with 4AD except for the fact
 > that it is the only other label on this measley planet that has
 > made a difference (oh yeah and TeenBeat... and Simple
 > Machines...Creation's good too...and SST...  Mute as well... oh
 > never mind), but is there a Factory Records home page or
 > anything related on the net? I would really love to know.
 > Gracias.


Factory Too is there, too.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 06/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm
Heard it on the Aegaean, and it brought

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 00:54:55 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Pram


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:

>
> Pram's "Sargasso Sea" is a bit of a letdown - Pram always need to worm
> their way into my brain, though, so perhaps it's unfair to judge them on
> one listen, especially just after an hour of Stereolab's finest moments.
> The new album seems like a step back, though - sparser in sound than
> "Helium", not as many risks being taken, and someone should get Rosie
> some Prozac.  The lyrics are uniformly dreary stuff about birds
> battering their bodies on the window while rain falls from an overcast
> sky onto her sore body, etc.

Yikes!  If the lyrical mood is representative of the music, then it
sounds like I'm going to love this album!

    -jOHN


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:23:19 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: !hunkahunkapapaliebe!


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Wendy Lyon wrote:
>
> > OK Jens & einexile, it's kind of amusing watching you guys debate
> > my post - but for the record - it wasn't a troll.
>
> Oh God, she's trolling again! Looks like some poor clueless freshman left
> her account logged in again. Everybody just ignore her and maybe she'll
> go away! ;)
>
hey, if you really WANT me to troll, I'm sure I can oblige you
somehow...
-----
wendy

.sigless until further notice

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:59:16 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Pram

              and jOHN" at Sep 6, 95 00:54:55 am

ESP Sunshine and jOHN  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:
>
> >  The lyrics are uniformly dreary stuff about birds
> > battering their bodies on the window while rain falls from an overcast
> > sky onto her sore body, etc.
>
> Yikes!  If the lyrical mood is representative of the music, then it
> sounds like I'm going to love this album!

It sounded pretty cheery to me last night, but then I had just been
talking to a friend about her mother's funeral.  The music is
Pram-by-numbers, with some very pleasant trumpet, very jazzy in places.
It's a nice album, but there's nothing on it which hasn't been done
better on other Pram releases ("Legendary Band of Venus" is still my
favourite Pram song).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 06/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm
Heard it on the Aegaean, and it brought


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:05:40 -0500
From: Intergalactic Garage (igg@INTREPID.NET)
Subject: Facing the Wrong Way Promo


Hi!
I know this is rude, but I thought everyone should know that we are doing
FACING THE WRONG WAY 4AD UK Promo-ONLY CD for $22.50 now thru 9/7. P&H is
$4.

If you got a pile of these for free and want to sell them, please let us know!

Thanks!

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:17:32 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Yay!


Some 4AD content here...

First off, I managed to get a job in the Bay Area last week! And
now I have the pleasure of driving through hundreds of miles of
wasteland this weekend to get there...

Bought the Lisa Gerrard a couple of days ago...I find it beautiful,
but a bit on the "perfunctory" side-- no surprises here, which can
be either good or bad depending on your opinion of DCD. Definitely
worth owning, in any case.

And I look forward to putting it on while driving through the Utah
salt flats...


-julian-

--
Julian Stewart
InfoSeek Corporation
camus@netcom.com

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:07:34 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


  Well, if anybody is looking for Closedown, I found they're available
through Valley distributors, which is a fairly large distributor that the
record store I used to work for ordered from, so I imagine it shouldn't
be too hard to order.  And I highly recommend that you DO order it.

******************************************************************************
                                A.I.D.S.
           We are all infected because we are all affected........
                               *********
                      Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:24:43 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: drunk on the pope's blood


A few questions answered if you will:

1. Was "drunk on the pope's blood" released by 4AD?
2. If not, by who?
3. If not, was it official or boot?
4. Can you still get it new?

Release The Facts


Chris
{For the moment: Serenade For The Dead - LeŠther Strip}


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:29:00 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Pram


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:

> Pram's "Sargasso Sea" is a bit of a letdown - Pram always need to worm
> their way into my brain, though, so perhaps it's unfair to judge them on
> one listen, especially just after an hour of Stereolab's finest moments.
> The new album seems like a step back, though - sparser in sound than
> "Helium", not as many risks being taken, and someone should get Rosie
> some Prozac.  The lyrics are uniformly dreary stuff about birds
> battering their bodies on the window while rain falls from an overcast
> sky onto her sore body, etc.

Those lyrics don't sound very different from pram's other records.  Do
 y'all know if this is or will be released by american, or some other
 way in the u.s.?  Pram is worth my $22 or whatever for an import, but
 i don't mind saving money either.  Releasing stuff in the u.s. 6 months
 after the original release date isn't the best way to sell records.

kagin

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:44:07 CDT
From: Ryan Mak (rmak@COMM.MOT.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


>
> Most of them are listed in the 2000 dollar range, but in reality you can
> buy one for around 900 bucks... That or get an Epiphone, and knock off a
> few hundred bucks.  Vintage guitars will ALWAYS cost more.  This place
> called GUITAR CENTER has a couple of 1059 335's, going for $8000.  Yikes!


Speaking of Epiphones, I know it's cheaper, but how does it
compare to the actually Gibson? For argument sake, take the
Les Paul for example. I've been in the market for a new Gibson
Les Paul, but I am not sure which one to get. There are too many
types of Les Pauls to choose from. On top of that, they're too pricey.
The question is: should I get a Ephiphone or go for a used Gibson?

-Ryan


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:34:26 -0700
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: another RHP concert


San francisco, the Great American Music Hall
Sat. Sept. 30, tix $10

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:09:00 EDT
From: TOM HOMULKA (THOMULKA@SPL.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard Chicago Tour Date


I noticed the posting of a Lisa Gerrard tour date in Chicago at The
Athenium ... has anyone ever heard of this place?  I've lived here 7
years and haven't.  Directory assistance has no such place listed either
(except for a Greek restaurant and a small theatre company).  Any help
from Chicago 4ad-l people?

Thanks,
Tom
thomulka@spl.mhs.compuserve.com


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:29:45 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: FACTORY RECORDS


You wrote:
>
>Look, i know this has nothing to do with 4AD except for the fact that
it is
>the only other label on this measley planet that has made a difference
(oh
>yeah and TeenBeat... and Simple Machines...Creation's good too...and
SST...
>Mute as well... oh never mind), but is there a Factory Records home
page or
>anything related on the net? I would really love to know. Gracias.
>
yep i saw something a while ago but didn't get the address.  do you
have Yahoo or Gopher, if not, I'll surf for ya.


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:06:06 -0700
From: Jesse Mullene (mullenej@NOVA.EDMONDS.WEDNET.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>         Is this a good quality boot?

No, Pearly, Pink & White is not a good quality boot.  It is definately a
hand held recording, and it sounds like it came from the back of the
venue.  On several tracks you get the pleasure of hearing conversations
of those around the taper.  For a live document it's interesting though,
Liz strays from the originals in interesting ways.  And yes, it is most
definately Aikea-Guinea instead of A Kissed Out Red Floatboat.  There are
many errors also in the track listing....

1. PUR (Pur)
4. For phobe still a baby (For phoebe still a baby)
8. Whales tales (Whales tails)
12. Ice blink luck (Iceblink luck)
15. A kissed out float boat (A kissed out red floatboat, and it's not
even on the disk!)
16. Ellamegalast burls forever (Ella megalast burls forever)

Having said all this, does anyone know of any Cocteau boots that are from
soundboard?  I would love to hear them.  This is the only live boot I
have ever seen by them.

-Jesse


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:44:50 -0400
From: Michael Franz (mfranz@GAYSOURCE.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH! interactive...thing


Emiel,

Wow, the Lush thing sounds amazing.

If you could email it to me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks much.

Michael Franz

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:10:15 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: the Dirt Eaters Live in DC

              <199509061629.JAA13665@ix6.ix.netcom.com>

Just a note to let all the DC area folks know that the Dirt Eaters and
Tone will be playing at the Atlantis (which is the 930 club sidestage,
located in the basement of the 930) this thursday the 7th.

Be there or be square

steve
bedazzled

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:23:36 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard Chicago Tour Date


>I noticed the posting of a Lisa Gerrard tour date in Chicago at The
>Athenium ... has anyone ever heard of this place?  I've lived here 7
>years and haven't.  Directory assistance has no such place listed either
>(except for a Greek restaurant and a small theatre company).  Any help
>from Chicago 4ad-l people?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>thomulka@spl.mhs.compuserve.com


I haven't heard of this place either.Unless it's something new or the 4AD
cats have a misprint on thier hands.I figured she'd play the Vic,Metro or
even the Riv....Ya think?


S

stylised deformity..don't look back,you were dead from the
beginning-Godflesh


Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:41:58 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard Chicago Tour Date


You wrote:
>
>I noticed the posting of a Lisa Gerrard tour date in Chicago at The
>Athenium ... has anyone ever heard of this place?  I've lived here 7
>years and haven't.  Directory assistance has no such place listed
either
>Thanks,
>Tom
>thomulka@spl.mhs.compuserve.com
>
i've been at virtually every venue in Chicago for shows and this one is
new to me.  This may be a coffee house or small theatre or just a new
place for small shows.  One idea:  check with Q101, the dullards there
might actually know something about the place, also check with XRT.
Radio stations will tend to have that info becuase the promo people
give it to them.  Other than that, maybe we have another place to go to
and maybe the poster was wacky on the junk :)

cheers, euthlene

work backwards from reality

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:21:32 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Cocteau Twins Need Fire


Went to the record shop and listened to a soundtrack-cd from the motion
picture 'JUDGE DREAD' (must be a great (...) movie cause Mr. S. Stalone in
on the cast). I didn't spend money on it...

One of the tracks: NEED FIRE by the COCTEAU TRIO, and it sounds like any
late CT track

Is this a new track? (I haven't bought every CT-release since their move to
that other label)

Other groups on this cd include The Cure, Leftfield, The The and it's
released by Sony 550 music/epic soundtrax.


And... anyone interested in:

 - The Road To Graceland 1993, D. Sylvian tour book, designed by V.O. at v23
    with pictures  made by Jim Friedman.

- Lush 'Spooky' cd ltd. version

because I can get these items at a local record store...


And... thanks for answering my original HUNKPAPA question! Did not expect
this much replies...



Emiel Efdee

------------------------------------
-      rotterdam, the netherlands
-      efdee@luna.nl
-      http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:20:36 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: drunk on the pope's blood


>A few questions answered if you will:
>
>1. Was "drunk on the pope's blood" released by 4AD?
>2. If not, by who?
>3. If not, was it official or boot?
>4. Can you still get it new?
>
>Release The Facts
>
>
>Chris
>{For the moment: Serenade For The Dead - Le=E6ther Strip}


Well,to answers to your questions...


1)YES,it was released by 4AD in-between the "Prayers on Fire'and
"Junkyard"LPs.It has 4 cuts:"Sometimes Pleasure Heads must Burn","King
Ink"(a fucking awesome cut) ,"Zoo Music Girl",and a killer cover of the
Stooges's"Loose".On the flip side is Lydia Lunch"Agony is the Ecstacy"that
has Steve Severin from Souixsie playing bass.It's very no-wave and goes on
for 20min.

2)To the best of my knowledge,it was an official 4AD issue back in
'81-82.You could find it new as recently as two years ago.(On VINYL,mind
you)However,I did see it on CD a couple of months ago but it was an Aussie
import for about $27.The vinyl copy is about $8 used,$11 new.(It was never
released here in the States domestically)

hope this helps...

s

stylised deformity..don't look back,you were dead from the
beginning-Godflesh

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:05:16 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Amy Dinaio in HOUSTON, WED. SEPT. 6


Amy DiNaio (sp?) is going to be here at Rice U. at Hamman Hall tonight at 8 pm!!
I'm planning on going and I was just checking to see if any other houstonites
like her.  (Or anyone on this list for that matter.)

I teach a Director Lingo class which gets out at 7:30 PM then I'm gonna hop my
happy ass in my car and beat it over to Rice.  Tickets are $10.  If anyone else
is going, let me know.  Maybe we can grab a beer or something?  I'll be there
with my buddy Don White who is currently trying to arrange to videotape the show
for her in exchange for a copy for him & me.  You can pick him out easier than
me because he's got a ponytail and (hopefully) a big-ass camera on his shoulder.
I'll be wearing a faded out long sleeve black shirt and blue jeans.


marvynHortman


PS She used to play with the Tone-Dogs among other bands and she's the coolest!
(How about that dishwashwer song?)

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:48:54 -0400
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Gibsons/Closedown (Guitars, Guitars, Guitars)


In a message dated 95-09-06 08:19:23 EDT, someone (John/Kelli??) wrote:

>>
>> >    -jOHN looking for a cheap ROLAND JC-120 amp
>>
>> I think the least you'll be paying is about $600...
>>
>
>Most that I have seen are more like $700 - $900.  I've noticed that a few
>seem to have different speakers... Does anyone know about this?  A few
>look like they have aluminum speakers, whaile a few ohers look like they
>have the standard speaker you would find in most amps.
>Anyone know anything about the newer FENDER Ultimate Chorus amps?
>130 watts... I played through one, but it didn't feel like it could
>handle the power... It was overdriving *too* easily on the clean channel...
>The guy at the store was trying to tell me how much better it was than
>the ROLANDS, but I think he was just beirng a typical salesman.

I hope those prices are for *new* ones.  I just recently bought a used JC-120
in pretty good condition for $250 (from Scott, formerly of closedown & soon
to be of alison's halo).  I've seen 'em go used for anywhere from about $250
to like $450 or so (but that had a flight case thrown in, so go figure)  It
has the aluminum centered speakers & sounds alot better than the fender super
reverb I used to use.

Another coincidence (I think not)  Over the long weekend, I played a friend's
Epiphone through a Fender Ultimate Chorus.  I dug the way the guitar played,
very warm sounding.  It seemed to be built better than the my Ibanez version
(the gold plated hardware on mine has turned an icky green).  As for the amp,
the reverb & chorus were *way* effecty, to the point of sounding almost
muddled.  The JC-120 seems a bit more subtle in the effects dept.  I wonder
what the Fender would sound like using the stereo effects loop?

Ah.... nothing like talking about toys.  I'd better stop now, before I get
*way* to carried away.......


Later,
Rodney

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:14:20 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: guitar talk yada yada yada


Robert wrote:
[white ES335]
>hey, our guitarist has one of those!!! i am not allowed to touch it! he
>loves it to death. he said that they went out of print the year before
>he got it. whenever that was. it sounds beautiful. =20

well then I guess they do exist and I'm not imagining it...and to think it's
hard enough finding a red one, or just one that isn't sunburst (which I
don't really care for)

>what guitars do you
>guys play. it seems every dreampop band has at least one Rickenbacker
>and one fender jaguar or jazzmaster. am i wrong????

Jazzmaster (candy apple red, reissue) and Ibanez Artist (ES335 clone) but
I'm not in a band right now. As for the preponderance of Jazzmasters, Jags
and Rickies in dreampop bands, let's do a quick tally:

Surfcaster)
Umm...anyone else have info?

jOHN wrote:

>jAZZMASTERS are
>indeed nice, but there are a lot of problems with them.  I don't think I
>would buy one again.

What kind of problems? I must admit I made the mistake of not getting a
setup done right away but waiting until one of the strings went dead. I had
heavier strings put on and the bridge raised and now it plays really nicely.
The strings it comes with are kinda rubbery

>A few
>look like they have aluminum speakers, whaile a few ohers look like they
>have the standard speaker you would find in most amps.

The only thing I know about the speakers is that the JC-120 I had at first
was one of the older models (no bright switch) and the backs of the speakers
said something other than Roland. It crapped out eventually - kept cutting=
 out

We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion of music, as opposed to
instruments with which it is made

Larry

"There is a time in the affair of grebes, which, taken at the cludge, leads
on to brutalness. A man is not a wasp, not D=FCsseldorf built in a day.=
 Damon
Runyon had a bunyon, and for a' they say hae' I. My heart bakes, a drowsy
numbness fills my Jensen, let it be, let it be". - attributed to Oscar Wilde


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