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Subject: pram/the sea & cake
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:38:00 CDT
From: Steven Titus (TITUS@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: unsubsribe sbholmes@alpha.delta.edu
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:49:02 -0400
From: Steven Boyd Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: Re: !hunkahunkapapaliebe!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:43:13 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Hunkpapa
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:57:18 -0400
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: pram/the sea & cake
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:42:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:26:37 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:36:11 EDT
From: Homin_Lee@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US
Subject: Re: GREETINGS
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:31:38 -0700
From: Zahid Makhdoom (zmakdoom@AWINC.COM)
Subject: Where is joanna (joroses@mail.utexas.edu)?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:14:01 -0400
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:32:14 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: illuminati de 4ad...
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:54:38 -0400
From: "...Future Dr. J.H. Rodrigues..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: please send my book!!! and cds (l. germano) for possible trade?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:51:26 -0500
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: Re[2]: 4AD artwork
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:07:42 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:23:51 -0400
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: illuminati de 4ad...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:42:28 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:35:27 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD artwork
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:37:24 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Defever fans! Cast your votes...
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:49:39 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:57:06 +0200
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:32:47 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Q: Sampler Mystery Track
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:04:54 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: los bros quay flick
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 21:00:45 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: [I] Think I'm Getting the Hang of It [while] Facing the Wrong Way
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:31:11 -0400
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: illuminati de 4ad...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:46:33 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:12:58 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Defever fans! Cast your votes...
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:46:28 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:47:23 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re[2]: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:16:36 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:33:43 -0400
From: Ian Frearson (Heiff@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD artwork
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:29:44 -0400
From: Ian Frearson (Heiff@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:52:06 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:14:28 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ? (Fat Skier Art)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:27:38 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: FACTORY RECORDS
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:23:39 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD artwork
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:30:05 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:49:05 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:36:08 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:00:14 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Swallow/Lush
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:43:38 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:17:36 -0700
From: "Brett G. Bull" (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: unsubsribe sbholmes@alpha.delta.edu
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:20:08 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:38:00 CDT
From: Steven Titus (TITUS@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: pram/the sea & cake


I noticed that Pram will be playing at the Lounge Ax in Chicago this coming
monday.
 Another band called The Sea &Cake will apparently be headlining.
 Does anyone know what The Sea  and Cake sound like?

titus

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:49:02 -0400
From: Steven Boyd Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: unsubsribe sbholmes@alpha.delta.edu


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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:43:13 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: !hunkahunkapapaliebe!


OK Jens & einexile, it's kind of amusing watching you guys debate
my post - but for the record - it wasn't a troll.
-----
wendy

.sigless until further notice

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:57:18 -0400
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Hunkpapa


People have been talking about differences between the US and UK versions of
"Hunkpapa," but did you know there are differences among the UK versions as
well?

There are (at least) two different UK lp sleeves -- one on a rough cardboard
stock that is brown and one on a smother stock that is grey.

Just another irrelevant, anal fact from one of the more obsessive collectors
on the list.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:42:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: pram/the sea & cake


>I noticed that Pram will be playing at the Lounge Ax in Chicago this coming
>monday.
> Another band called The Sea &Cake will apparently be headlining.
> Does anyone know what The Sea  and Cake sound like?

The Sea and Cake sound like Shrimp Boat, one of their previous incarnations.
I'm afraid this info isn't of any help :)

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:26:37 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


        What does the 4AD edition of "Red Heaven" have on the cover? I
have a Japanese-made one (credited to POLYDOR!) with an appendix of 11
Kristin Hersh live tracks, and it looks just the same as the American one.

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:36:11 EDT
From: Homin_Lee@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US
Subject: unsubscribe


to what address would I direct a sign-off message?

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    accuracy or content of the above message.

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:31:38 -0700
From: Zahid Makhdoom (zmakdoom@AWINC.COM)
Subject: Re: GREETINGS


Hi,
I am new on the 4AD list.  I live in Kootenays region of British Columbia
and work for the First Nations.  My music taste include everything but
country music (unfortunately country is the only kind available here).
Cocteau Twins, DCD, This Mortal Coil are the only cds on 4AD label that I
have got.  I am enjoying the debates within the 4AD community on various
artists and groups and promise to read all of it and respond as well.  At
this time just wanted to extend a warm hi to all friends out there in
cyberspace...keep up the good listening and stay cool.

Love.

Zahid


Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:14:01 -0400
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Where is joanna (joroses@mail.utexas.edu)?


Sorry to post this, but I tried the e-mail address given and my message
was sent back - Joanna, please e-mail me, I may be interested in buying
one of your CDs.

Christina

--
                            |   Christine, the strawberry girl    "Christine"
    Christina Johnson       |   Christine, banana split lady      [Siouxsie
br713@freenet.carleton.ca   |   Christine, the strawberry girl      & the
                            |   Christine, sees her faces unfurl   Banshees]

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:32:14 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


>They seem to be priced upwards of $2000 or so, don't they? And old
ones are
>even more pricy. What's your Jazzmaster like - vintage or reissue? A
friend
>of mine is interested in getting one. The BB King one is indeed
cool...by
>the look of the photos on Pygmalion, Slowdive seem to have a *white*
ES335,
>which I've never seen before

hey, our guitarist has one of those!!! i am not allowed to touch it! he
loves it to death. he said that they went out of print the year before
he got it. whenever that was. it sounds beautiful.  what guitars do you
guys play. it seems every dreampop band has at least one Rickenbacker
and one fender jaguar or jazzmaster. am i wrong????


                            -robert.

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:54:38 -0400
From: "...Future Dr. J.H. Rodrigues..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: illuminati de 4ad...


enlighten me in this one, please.  i came across "Listen Up to Cabaret
      Voltaire", a double cd ($18, @ Discorama, NYC), and since i was looking
        for a starting point for my CV initiation, i thought that this would
          be great.  but since i was a bit low in cash, i let prudence take
            charge.  so here i am, asking u all CVnites, should i get this
          double cd for sake of appreciation?  is it a good compilation?
        or should i get something else?  i did see a live cd there as well,
      but the double cd caught my attention.
thanks in advance...

JHR - Juventus Heroicus Rirus

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:51:26 -0500
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: please send my book!!! and cds (l. germano) for possible trade?


first, to a certain list member: please send my book.

sorry to most of the rest of you, but i have been waiting for, what, 9
months for my vaughn oliver book and this person won't respond to any
personal mail from me.


and some things of interest to lisa germano fans:  i have a promo cd
for 'happiness' that comes in a little cardboard sleeve ( 4ad promo ), a
US one track promo cd for 'stars', and the egg records 'on the way
down from the Moon Palace' cd ( earlier material, but you all probably
knew that! ), all for possible trade.  i realy don't have anything in
particular in mind, but if you are interested in any of the above, let
me know and we could work out something. perhaps for promo cds by
other bands.

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:07:42 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re[2]: 4AD artwork


Elaun wrote:

>I was under the impression that Liz, Simon and Robin created the cover
>themselves.  It was symbolic for them to do so given the relationship
>they had left behind, not just with 4AD, but with themselves. _4CC_ was
>a fresh start for them and the cover was a part of that rebuilding /
>reclaiming.

The cover art for Four Calendar Cafe was done by an artist named Walter Mink, I
believe.  He does children's picture puzzle books, where he assembles a collage
of objects/toys, and then the text asks you to find certain thhings in the
picture.  Given Lucy Belle's age, Liz and Robin would probably be familiar with
him.

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu


Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:23:51 -0400
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?

              at Sep 3, 95 07:07:58 pm

> As for Throwing Muses, they're a different story altogether.  They were into
> having their picture on the cover of their albums--not often done by v23!
> University marks the first time that a Sire Muses LP bears a cover that is a
> true v23 design (I'm excluding singles).  It's interesting to note that
> "Chains Changed" is the one v23 concession to the Muses burning desire to
> have themselves on the cover.

Sorry to be nitpicky, but small photos of all 4 band members appear on the
cover of the 1st self-titled album. They're not the main focus of the design,
true, but they are there.

Also, do you count Fat Skier as an album or a single? It's a Sire release that
had v23 artwork, albeit the only one.

As for the vanity issue, I know that Kristin's not a big v23 fan, but she also
hates photo shoots. I wonder what the next Muses album will look like, now
that they're releasing it themselves. Hoping for more Shinro...

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:42:28 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: illuminati de 4ad...


>enlighten me in this one, please.  i came across "Listen Up to Cabaret
>      Voltaire", a double cd ($18, @ Discorama, NYC), and since i was looking
>        for a starting point for my CV initiation, i thought that this would
>          be great.  but since i was a bit low in cash, i let prudence take
>            charge.  so here i am, asking u all CVnites, should i get this
>          double cd for sake of appreciation?  is it a good compilation?
>        or should i get something else?  i did see a live cd there as well,
>      but the double cd caught my attention.
>thanks in advance...

'Listen Up To Cabaret Voltaire'  is a collection of rarities for CV-die
hards only. I don't know which live CD you saw - they did at least 4: 'Hai
-Live In Japan', 'Live At The YMCA', 'Live At The Lyceum' and ;Pressure Co.
Live In Sheffield' - but neither of them is a good starting point. Better
Mecca' or 'The Crackdown'.

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:35:27 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown

              Sep 3, 95 4:32 pm

> >> >-jOHN looking for a Gibson 335
> >>
> >> Well, as long as you're looking - can you get me one too? Cherry-red or
> >> black please :)
> >
> >Actually Larry, I've seen quite a few this past week.  The only trouble
> >is that their quite expensive, and most of them have that *ugly* gold
> >hardware.  Yuck.  Still, I'd trade in my jAZZMASTER for one.  I'd like to
> >find a black one, w/ silver hardware, bound neck and body, and pearl fret
> >inlays.  The BB King Lucille is sweet!
>
> They seem to be priced upwards of $2000 or so, don't they? And old ones are
> even more pricy. What's your Jazzmaster like - vintage or reissue? A friend
> of mine is interested in getting one. The BB King one is indeed cool...by
> the look of the photos on Pygmalion, Slowdive seem to have a *white* ES335,
> which I've never seen before

What I don't like about BB King's and Chuck Berry's red ES-3XX is the lack of
f-holes.  I've been seeing lots of pictures of Epiphone 335 clones lately, Noel 
asis,
Paul Weller, even George Harrison, circa Sgt. Peppers.

um, as you were...


kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
owner of a cherry red ES-135

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:37:24 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD artwork


>>I was under the impression that Liz, Simon and Robin created the cover
themselves.  It was symbolic for them to do so given the relationship
they had left behind, not just with 4AD, but with themselves. _4CC_ was a
fresh start for them and the cover was a part of that rebuilding /
reclaiming.<<


Cocteau Twins haven't worked with v23 since Love's Easy Tears in 1986.
Beginning with Blue Bell Knoll, v23 had no part in the artwork/graphic
design of their sleeves.  This may be attributable to 1) The fact that
the band had signed to Capitol, and perhaps Capitol didn't like v23's
perspective on album artwork, or 2) The band were sick of v23's artwork,
and felt that it didn't properly express the music it enveloped (I'm only
guessing), or something else entirely. Who knows...

As for the Four-Calendar Cafe artwork in particular, I don't know if
they've actually SAID that they had a hand in designing it; some design
firm called Lifeboat Matey did the work.  Those who hate the artwork
may find it amusing that the toilet seat in the bathroom at September
Sound is clear plastic with all those little trinkets from the album
cover suspended inside it...hehehe...

I'm really curious as to what they come up with for 'Milk and Kisses'
and the related EPs.  With everything that bands are doing with CD jewel
cases these days and with digipaks, the possibilities keep growing. I
imagine something shiny...


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:49:39 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Defever fans! Cast your votes...


On Sat, 2 Sep 1995 DscribeDC@AOL.COM wrote:

> Since I remember that HNIA and
> Defever are a minor mania on the list,

minor?!??!?! ahhhh. my heart just stopped...
quick someone please hum "soul resides in a horse barn"...

> can any
> listies who have caught Defever

i have... but boy is he heavy! (is cheese allowed?)

> (sorry I couldn't resist) and the Dirt Eaters
> clue me in on what they're like and whether they're worth seeing, so I can
> make an informed choice?

i personally like to see w.d. play no matter what hes doing...
unless its playing pseudo-drums in princess dragon-mom, in which
case he beats them ferociosly for 30 minutes straight.

but heres what you do:...
get _mouth by mouth_ and play all
the tracks that say "courtesy of the dirt eaters..." in small
print at the bottom in the liner notes... then you have yourself
a dirteaters set... in every ford is a good place to start to
figure their sound... warren is just the coolest to watch
play gui.. with his mint green charvel. but dirteaters
are a little more straightforward rawk (if i may be so bold)
than hnia...

so basically go see them... the dirteaters are an excellent band,
warren is way-cool to watch perform... i think you have
yourself a purty darn good night carved out...

> P.S.:  Sorry, but I don't have anything to sell...

no promos? no limited edition belly stuff...
no sweat from ivo's head?! :(
bye.

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:57:06 +0200
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>         What does the 4AD edition of "Red Heaven" have on the cover? I
> have a Japanese-made one (credited to POLYDOR!) with an appendix of 11
> Kristin Hersh live tracks, and it looks just the same as the American one.
>
Not much in fact,just the title in manuscript on a light brown background
with some kind of a motive,but iI don't remember what that motive wsa.


guy

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:32:47 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


On Sun, 3 Sep 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

> >> >-jOHN looking for a Gibson 335

(Guitar talk, blah blah blah x 100)

>
> They seem to be priced upwards of $2000 or so, don't they? And old ones are
> even more pricy.

Most of them are listed in the 2000 dollar range, but in reality you can
buy one for around 900 bucks... That or get an Epiphone, and knock off a
few hundred bucks.  Vintage guitars will ALWAYS cost more.  This place
called GUITAR CENTER has a couple of 1059 335's, going for $8000.  Yikes!

 What's your Jazzmaster like - vintage or reissue? A friend
> of mine is interested in getting one.

Reissue.  I'm not wealthy enough to own a vintage.  jAZZMASTERS are
indeed nice, but there are a lot of problems with them.  I don't think I
would buy one again.

> The BB King one is indeed cool...by
> the look of the photos on Pygmalion, Slowdive seem to have a *white* ES335,
> which I've never seen before

Except for the gold hardware, LUCILLE is a sweet guitar.  THe closed body
is a super nice touch.   Less feedback and stuff.
I'm sure the boys and girl of SLOWDIVE (RIP) have a few 335's laying
around.
>
> >    -jOHN looking for a cheap ROLAND JC-120 amp
>
> I think the least you'll be paying is about $600...
>

Most that I have seen are more like $700 - $900.  I've noticed that a few
seem to have different speakers... Does anyone know about this?  A few
look like they have aluminum speakers, whaile a few ohers look like they
have the standard speaker you would find in most amps.
Anyone know anything about the newer FENDER Ultimate Chorus amps?
130 watts... I played through one, but it didn't feel like it could
handle the power... It was overdriving *too* easily on the clean channel...
The guy at the store was trying to tell me how much better it was than
the ROLANDS, but I think he was just beirng a typical salesman.  ANyone
want to buy a CRATE 1/2 stack for real cheap?Cost me $800.  Can't stand
dragging it around anymore.  Too big.

            -jOHN looking for a 4 track


Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 23:04:54 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Q: Sampler Mystery Track


Just got my hands on a copy of the 4AD Sampler "....think i'm getting the
hang of it," and I note that it includes an unlisted tenth "mystery" track.

Does anyone know the artist and song?

Incidentally, "Dolphin Expressway" from the new Air Miami sounds even finer
than anticipated.

Dave G.


Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 21:00:45 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: los bros quay flick


I don't know anything about it, including whether or not it has been
brought up here, but there is an article in thge new issue of a magazine
whose name I have also forgotten...Sight & Sound? Some movie magazine. I
think Bruce Willis is on the cover. There is a three or four page article
on the new Quay Bros movie--a feature length theatrical release, I think.
Stills printed in the magazine were very pretty. I don't really like them
or I would have bought the zine (a lousy rag for $6) but I was really
impressed by what I saw. I didn't browse the article much.

Sorry if this has already been posted about. I normally ignore the topic
but don't remember seeing it discussed recently.

 e


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:31:11 -0400
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: [I] Think I'm Getting the Hang of It [while] Facing the Wrong Way


I just got these two items and I think they're definately worth owning.
Here are some thoughts:

FTWW is really cool...a real digipack instead of the paper sleeve TIGTHOI
has.  A good bet for trying to get a copy is to order something from 4AD UK
mail order.  That's how I got mine.  I didn't even know about it when I
ordered, but there it was in the box anyway!

Tarnation and Mojave are great, but contrary to what some have been saying
on the list, just because you like Slowdive doesn't mean you'll like Mojave.
 From the one song on FTWW (which, by the way, is the "mystery" track on
TIGTHOI), they are very country -- in a Patsy Cline/Tarnation kind of way.
Maybe that song is unrepresentative though.  I like them both a lot, but
then again I like "cool" country music -- i.e., Patsy Cline, Hank Williams
Sr., Gram Parsons -- as opposed to the shit you hear coming out of pickup
trucks with bumper stickers that say "There's only two kind of music,
country and western."

The Amps' song is really good too.  Very loud and obnoxious.  The sound is
everything you'd expect from a 4-track basement recording.

Air Miami sounds just like Unrest and Heidi Berry sound just like Heidi
Berry...unfortunately.  I just never got into either one.  They sound a bit
dull to my jaded ears.

I still haven't made up my mind about Scheer.  All I can say is that there
are different Scheer songs on each of the compilations -- "Take You
Anywhere" on FTWW and "Sometimes" on TIGTHOI."  The same goes for Air Miami.

And, for those TWP fans out there (me, and about three other people), the
remix of Christianity is pretty good, and unique to the compilations.

Guess that's it, y'all!  Oh, except for the catalog numbers:

FTWW cat. no. "FTWW 1"
TIGTHOI cat no. "PRO-CD-7625"

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:46:33 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: illuminati de 4ad...


You wrote:
>
>enlighten me in this one, please.  i came across "Listen Up to Cabaret
>      Voltaire", a double cd ($18, @ Discorama, NYC), and since i was
>thanks in advance...
>
>JHR - Juventus Heroicus Rirus
>
personally, this isn't a bad set to get for starters.  i'm sure there
are more hard-core CVs out there who might dispute this.  BUt if yer
low on cash, this is a handy collection to have.  I basically have
everything I could find by CV on disc and a lot but not all vinyl.  I
also have Richard H. Kir's solo efforts, worth the cash too.  I
understand if you're not a obsessed with music as i am, most of the
spare cash goes to music.  but again, not a bad deal.  IMHO  =:0

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:12:58 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


> Also, do you count Fat Skier as an album or a single? It's a Sire release
> that had v23 artwork, albeit the only one.

No, I'm pretty sure The Fat Skier was never released by Sire. It's
4ad-only.

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:46:28 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Defever fans! Cast your votes...


>
> > P.S.:  Sorry, but I don't have anything to sell...
>
> no promos? no limited edition belly stuff...
> no sweat from ivo's head?! :(
> bye.
>
>                 ---> [spiral]
>                 99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Hey, I have the limited edition sweat from Ivo's head!  Itcame in a
little limited edition, numbered glass jar, designed by Gerber baby foods
and v23.  The jar fits into a nice little wood box with red limited
edition velvet lining.  When you open the box, which has 24 carrot gold
filled etchings and is encrusted with diamonds, beautiful music fills the
air, and limited edition angels dance in a pattern choreographed by v23.
I'll start bids on this limited edition (see also:limited edition) "HOLY
WATER/Blood of Christ" at $25 bucks... Any takers?

    -jOHN praise to god in the highest, and limited edition promo stuff
          to all collector scum on Earth.  Lord I am not worthy, but only
          say the word and I shall be healed.  Praise be to the father,
          to the son, and to the holy spirit, now as it ever shall be -
          world without end.


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:47:23 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


Micah Newman asserts:
>No, I'm pretty sure The Fat Skier was never released by Sire. It's 4ad-only.

Wrong-o. My copy was released by Sire. I don't think 4AD ever released a
standalone version of it, although I've seen a 4AD release of House
Tornado and The Fat Skier on one CD.

--Jens

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:16:36 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re[2]: HUNKPAPA ?


>> Also, do you count Fat Skier as an album or a single? It's a Sire
>>release that had v23 artwork, albeit the only one.

>No, I'm pretty sure The Fat Skier was never released by Sire. It's
>4ad-only.

I have a Sire cassette of The Fat Skier, it has all the tracks except Soul
Soldier on one side, with Soul Soldier as the 2nd side.  I saw quite a few of
them in Los Angeles in the late eighties, but I haven't seen them since...
I would bet they are out of print.

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:33:43 -0400
From: Ian Frearson (Heiff@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


Susan said:

>Sorry to be nitpicky, but small photos of all 4 band members appear on the
>cover of the 1st self-titled album. They're not the main focus of the
design,
>true, but they are there.

You are right...my oversight.  Brash (and false) statements on my part!

Something else I overlooked--their photo is on the inside of "University"...


>Also, do you count Fat Skier as an album or a single? It's a Sire release
that
>had v23 artwork, albeit the only one.

No way!  my copy on LP says: "Art Direction: Kurt DeMunbrun (and Kav helped
too)".  I consider it to be a really long EP, I guess.  Another interesting
particularly, I don't know. It's the only one.

Someone took issue with my statement that they were into being on the cover:
 I didn't mean the FRONT cover, I just meant "somewhere on the packaging".

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:29:44 -0400
From: Ian Frearson (Heiff@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD artwork


Mike said:

>Cocteau Twins haven't worked with v23 since Love's Easy Tears in 1986.
>Beginning with Blue Bell Knoll, v23 had no part in the artwork/graphic
>design of their sleeves.  This may be attributable to 1) The fact that
>the band had signed to Capitol, and perhaps Capitol didn't like v23's
>perspective on album artwork, or 2) The band were sick of v23's artwork,
>and felt that it didn't properly express the music it enveloped (I'm only
>guessing), or something else entirely. Who knows...

Being a font of second-hand information, here's what I've heard:  The absence
of a v23 cover after 1986 was a direct result of the deteriorating
relationship between the Cocteaus and 4AD.  This apparently all started with
the release of  1987's "Lonely Is An Eyesore"--seemingly revolving around the
Twins unhappiness with their equal-billing with other 4AD bands, especially
newcomers Throwing Muses.  Thereafter, their involvement with 4AD/Ivo/v23 was
(purposely) diminished.

Anyone else have a different take on this phenomenon?

Ian.

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:52:06 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Micah Newman asserts:
> >No, I'm pretty sure The Fat Skier was never released by Sire. It's 4ad-only.
>
> I've seen a 4AD release of House
> Tornado and The Fat Skier on one CD.

        That's the only version of it I've seen.

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:14:28 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


I have the 4AD version of "Skier" on vinyl. Why don't you kids try the
"eyesore data base" on the internet (it is very detailed) or write 4AD and
send 'em $2 for a stinkin' mail order catalogue and stop wandering around
aimlessly. Sheesh!!!


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:27:38 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ? (Fat Skier Art)


Fat Skier is not v23 at all. Read your liner notes (and for those wondering
both the Sire and 4ad versions have the same crummy artwork).

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:23:39 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: FACTORY RECORDS


Look, i know this has nothing to do with 4AD except for the fact that it is
the only other label on this measley planet that has made a difference (oh
yeah and TeenBeat... and Simple Machines...Creation's good too...and SST...
Mute as well... oh never mind), but is there a Factory Records home page or
anything related on the net? I would really love to know. Gracias.


Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:30:05 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD artwork


Shut up you pathetic toady bastard. Just kidding. My friend Heiff is all
that! Word up! Listen up!

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:49:05 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Pearly, Pink & White; Cocteau Twins FCC live tour bootleg CD


I can confirm that there is no 'A kissed out float boat', instead it
is 'Aikea-Guinea'.  I have trouble believing a fan could have made
this mistake.  Could there be a legal reason for doing this?

On a directly related note, someone on this list( or perhaps the 4ad
newsgroup) had a copy to sell.  Is it still available?  If so, would
you please email me your asking price?  If email to me fails for some
reason, use 'os9@gnu.ai.mit.edu' and include the bounced message to
this account.  I may be having a problem.  Thanks!

Ciao!

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:36:08 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


> > Also, do you count Fat Skier as an album or a single? It's a Sire release
> > that had v23 artwork, albeit the only one.
>
> No, I'm pretty sure The Fat Skier was never released by Sire. It's
> 4ad-only.

        Wrong. I bought the 12" domestically (on Sire) when it first came out.
It's been unavailable Stateside for sometime now. Anyone know if it's
going to be re-issued?     Noah

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:00:14 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Roy Burns wrote:

> I have the 4AD version of "Skier" on vinyl. Why don't you kids try the
> "eyesore data base" on the internet (it is very detailed) or write 4AD and
> send 'em $2 for a stinkin' mail order catalogue and stop wandering around
> aimlessly. Sheesh!!!

        Well, I already have it, but while the subject of 4ad mail-order
catalogues is up, I sent them $3 for a catalog several weeks ago and have
since then received JACK SQUAT!!!, as they say.

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:43:38 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Swallow/Lush


In
>e e wrote:
>> >
>> >Okay. What did you hear?
>>
I wrote:>>
It was lovesleep.  off and dog bones too. . .We'll try again.  How hard is
>> db to find?
>>
John wrote:
>How hard is BlowBack to find?  Is that what yr asking?

No, db is and Dog Bones too. . .  How hard is it to find?  And once again,
what is the deal with this lush list. . .still no mail!

bye,

eric

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:17:36 -0700
From: "Brett G. Bull" (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: crap Medicine review/Gibsons/Closedown


> > They seem to be priced upwards of $2000 or so, don't they? And old ones are
> > even more pricy.
>
> Most of them are listed in the 2000 dollar range, but in reality you can
> buy one for around 900 bucks... That or get an Epiphone, and knock off a
> few hundred bucks.  Vintage guitars will ALWAYS cost more.  This place
> called GUITAR CENTER has a couple of 1059 335's, going for $8000.  Yikes!

I heard that Guitar Center once had a sale. Just one (If you do not live
near a radio station sponsored by GC you probably do not get the joke). I
will stick with my Peavey.  Brett

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:20:08 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: unsubsribe sbholmes@alpha.delta.edu

              

Steven Boyd Holmes wrote:

>unsubsreibe sbholmes@alpha.delta.edu

Why does this put me in mind of Baldric's "Kweznus" spelling of Christmas?

Simon Hughes


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