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Subject: Re: 1-2-3 fest
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:14:29 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: TWP & the downfall of 4AD...
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 07:37:48 +0200
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:56:46 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:35:22 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Medicine/Closedown/Will's cat
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 06:57:20 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: 1-2-3 fest
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:48:46 -0400
From: garman (garman@INFI.NET)
Subject: 1-2-3 fest
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:11:29 -0400
From: garman (garman@INFI.NET)
Subject: Re: main
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 08:52:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Defever fans! Cast your votes...
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:37:10 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: anyone looking for Liquorice "ESP remixes" promo?
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:28:14 -0700
From: Zahid Makhdoom (zmakdoom@AWINC.COM)
Subject: Re: weird einexile rant for 31 aug 95
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:50:22 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: TWP & the downfall of 4AD...
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:16:14 -0700
From: Anaj (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine/Closedown/Will's cat
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:07:06 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Indicate and other stuff... (was: re: main)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 02:25:44 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: projekt newsgroup warranted?
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:58:53 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Heavenly Voices III *long review*
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:52:46 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Radio in Australia
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:45:09 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: 4AD artwork
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:14:57 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: new cocteau twins madre de dios
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:09:45 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Greek Magazine Reviews Need Translation
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:12:46 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: THE THE- the quest
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:24:51 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid JP version cd
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 03:14:32 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@LIB.BEKKOAME.OR.JP)

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:14:29 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: 1-2-3 fest


On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, garman wrote:

> There will be a pop fest in Richmond,Virginia this Labor day weekend
>  at a club called Twisters. This is in the tradition of theElegant Chaos
> /Something Pretty Beautiful festival put on by Brilliant Records
>  2 years ago to the day. This ones called the 1-2-3 fest and will
>  feature 19 mostly indie bands over a three day period.
>
> sunday september 3
> the ropers  \  sabine (chip from veronica lake's new band)
> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
Just wanted to suggest that anyone who can make it should really
try to hear this band. They're absolutely amazing, and definitely
theselistsy. Their new album is on Slumberland (produced
by Kurt Ralske BTW) and Alternative Press described it as
a record we'll still be talking about in ten years....
do yourself a favor and go see them....
-----
wendy

.sigless until further notice

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 07:37:48 +0200
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: TWP & the downfall of 4AD...


On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Ian Frearson wrote:

> I just heard that The Wolfgang Press has permanently departed 4AD...(being a
> newcomer, perhaps this is old news...).  What's going on here?  As with the
> Cocteaus, I see this as being a Bad Career Move.  4AD is losing its
> focus--and its fairly sterling reputation.  The label is beginning to show a
> little wear around the edges:  that little logo used to be the Stamp Of
> Quality (or it was at least perceived that way), but now I'm really not so
> sure...  I just hate to see TWP disappear into the Bottomless Pit of Major
> Label-land--which hasn't been very nice to the Cocteaus.
>
> Heiff.
>
Hey 4ad is just a recordlabel,not a religion

guy

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:56:46 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: HUNKPAPA ?


On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> Today I saw a version of the Throwing Muses Hunkpapa cd with a different
> sleeve than the original 4AD release.  It was released by SIRE (9 25855-2)
> in the US. It has an (ugly) 'bright yellow' front with a photograph of the
> Muses inside. 4AD isn't mentioned anyhere on this thing.
>
> Q: is this an official release?

Yup. The Muses are (or were, I haven't kept up on them) licensed to
Sire in the US, and prior to the Warner Bros/4ad deal made a few
years back, Warner's (and other labels') US releases often didn't mention
4ad on their sleeves.

> Q: did SIRE release other 4AD records with other (bad) artwork?

Well, I'm probably going to be de-subscribed for saying this...but
what the hell, I could use another good flame for my .sig file...
I haven't seen many 4ad records that *didn't* have bad artwork...
-----
wendy

.sigless until further notice


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:35:22 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm


Hi all,

Someone mentioned that the new Stereolab compilation was out on the
September 24. My friend (in Australia) picked up the CD yesterday. His CD
came out on Fying Nun Records.

This is the track listing...

D-UHF-CD09 Refried Ectoplasm (CD)
Duophonic 1995

  1.  Harmonium
  2.  Lo Boob Oscillator
  3.  Mountain
  4.  Revox
  5.  French Disko
  6.  Exploding Head Movie
  7.  Elgoe D'eros
  8.  Tone Burst [country]
  9.  Animal or Vegetable [a wonderful wooden reason]
 10.  John Cage Bubblegum
 11.  Sadistic
 12.  Farfisa
 13.  Tempter

        Tone Burst [country] is from the Spectrum/Stereolab split single.
        Sadistic is a previously unreleased track from the Low-Fi sessions.

The above information was gathered from the Stereolab homepage...

Cheers

Donald

--..........
Donald Chin ..........  
--..........         "Lost somewhere in Australia..."

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 06:57:20 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Medicine/Closedown/Will's cat


jOHN wrote:

>The band was reviewed in a mag, and
>the reviewer referred to the lead singer (Beth Thompson) as Liz Frasier.
>Clueless.
^^^^^^^^^
You said it! And I mean, if you're going to refer to someone by a completely
incorrect name, the least you can do is spell it right. Maybe it was some
kind of lamebrained attempt to slag Beth off as yet another Liz wannabe,
which is pretty much established as a lazy and stupid criticism

>-jOHN looking for a Gibson 335

Well, as long as you're looking - can you get me one too? Cherry-red or
black please :)

Will wrote:

>I was
>(and still am) very impressed by "nearfield", an excellent album.  The
>answer for anyone missing Slowdive.

Hmmm...have to disagree somewhat here. Maybe for anyone missing early
Chapterhouse.

>Also, last week I was
>listening to SFSL, and at the end of track 7 I heard a cat purring.  It
>was the first time I heard it and I thought it was brilliant, another one
>of those brilliant touches.  Then I realized it was just my cat.  But it
>was damn brillaint at the time, and it totally fit with the music.

You realise this means you have one cool noise-pop kitty there? Hey, isn't
there a cat snoring somewhere on _The Buried Life_?

Larry, the laundry king

...sisters in another time...

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:48:46 -0400
From: garman (garman@INFI.NET)
Subject: 1-2-3 fest


There will be a pop fest in Richmond,Virginia this Labor day weekend at a
club called Twisters.
This is in the tradition of the Elegant Chaos/Something Pretty Beautiful
festival put on by Brilliant Records 2 years ago to the day.
This ones called the 1-2-3 fest and will feature 19 mostly indie bands over
a three day period.

The line-up is as follows

friday september 1     saturday september 2     sunday september 3

the technical jed              the seymores                   heartworms
viola peacock                       chisel                               juicy
the raymond brake            red dye #5           sabine (chip from veronica
lake & friends)
hovel                                 saturnine 60                    the ropers
fulflej                                ditchcroaker
lorelei
& special guest             the curtain society               ultracindy

        minnow

David Moore will be there selling Brilliant records back catalog for cheap
($1 vinyl, $2 cd's)
The cost is $6 per night or $15 for a three day pass.
Doors open at 7:00 pm each night.
Twisters is located at  929 grace st. Richmond Va.
For more info call (804) 353-GAME .


Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:11:29 -0400
From: garman (garman@INFI.NET)
Subject: 1-2-3 fest


There will be a pop fest in Richmond,Virginia this Labor day weekend
 at a club called Twisters. This is in the tradition of theElegant Chaos
/Something Pretty Beautiful festival put on by Brilliant Records
 2 years ago to the day. This ones called the 1-2-3 fest and will
 feature 19 mostly indie bands over a three day period.

The line-up is as follows

friday september 1
the technical jed  \  viola peacock  \  the raymond brake
hovel  \   fulflej  \  & special guest

saturday september 2
the seymores  \  red dye #5  \  ditchcroaker
saturnine 60  \  chisel  \  the curtain society

sunday september 3
heartworms  \  ultracindy  \  juicy  \  minnow  \  lorelei
the ropers  \  sabine (chip from veronica lake's new band)


David Moore will be there selling Brilliant records back catalog
 for cheap ($1 vinyl, $2 cd's)
The cost is $6 per night or $15 for a three day pass.
Doors open at 7:00 pm each night.
Ages 18+ , but not rigidly enforced.
Twisters is located at  929 grace st. Richmond Va.
For more info call (804) 353-GAME .

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 08:52:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: main

              at Aug 31, 95 03:53:42 pm

Andrew Dean  wrote:
>
> a) who are they? loop have been mentioned but...

Robert from Loop, plus at least one other.  The other two from Loop
(wasn't the drummer Robert's brother?) formed Hair and Skin Trading
Company.

> b) are they releasing a single a month? certainly looks that way

Yes, six singles.

> c) is the other lp i saw (firmament) more like the first single (by which
> i mean corona, hertz 1) than motion pool (which was a bit disappointing
> at first but which i have grown to like lots, er, i mean my friend likes
> it)

It is two long tracks (25 min each?) of very sparse, arid ambience - the
sound actually stops for fairly long periods.  *Very* strange, and I'm
not sure I'd recommend it unless you find it for three quid (as I did).
It's a bit like "Metal Machine Music", I'm pleased I have it but I don't
listen to it very much.

> d) there is no d, sorry

But there is an e.

> e) anything else by them i, er, he should pick up.

Discography as far as I know:

Hydra-Calm
  (Hour-long collection of two EPs and a long track, a bit like Loop's
  quiet side).
Dry Stone Feed
Firmament
  (These two EPs were issued simultaneously, and I'm annoyed I didn't
  buy them, as I haven't seen them for ages).
Motion Pool
  (Album)
Firmament II
  (This is the one you saw.  Firmament I had half a dozen tracks, I
  seem to remember)
Ligature
  (Vinyl only, remixes)
Hertz singles: Corona, Terminus, Maser (so far)
  (Two tracks, three tracks, four tracks...)

> f) firmament only seems to have two tracks on it. is this a misfiled,
> mispriced ep or are they as long as, say, scum or an evening of
> contempory sitar music.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 01/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Scott Walker
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring


Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 03:37:10 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Defever fans! Cast your votes...


Although DC is far from the most interesting city on the east coast, every
now and again, two of its rock clubs have good shows on the same night.  One
such night is coming up this week, with Dirty Three @ Black Cat and a dbl
bill of Tone and Warren Defever's Dirt Eaters at Atlantis.

Since I remember that HNIA and Defever are a minor mania on the list, can any
listies who have caught Defever (sorry I couldn't resist) and the Dirt Eaters
clue me in on what they're like and whether they're worth seeing, so I can
make an informed choice?

Dave G.


Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:28:14 -0700
From: Zahid Makhdoom (zmakdoom@AWINC.COM)
Subject: Re: anyone looking for Liquorice "ESP remixes" promo?


>Hi,
>I have a copy of this cd... I'll put it up for bid for all you completists
>out there...some other 4AD promos, too (RHP, WP, etc)...
>.
>E-mail me.
>
>Later,
>Gil
>groovin' to APHEX T-
>...the Texan whip
>    ... hewn exit path
>       .... win that hep hex

Hey, I'll take it.  E-mail me if I am indeed a happy (grateful) winner.
Ever tried listening to Dead Can Dance's Lisa Gerrard after listening to Om
Kalthoum, an Egyptian ballad singer.  Try it the ambience will be pure
heavenly.


Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:50:22 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: weird einexile rant for 31 aug 95


On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, eric wrote:

> I wrote:
>
> I've only heard two Swallow songs, but I like their sound.  Could someone
> >> send me a bio, or even just a little info.  They sounded like a cross
> >> between Curve and MBV to me, only better. . .
> >
>

e wrote:
> >
> >Okay. What did you hear?
>
> It was lovesleep.  off and dog bones too. . .We'll try again.  How hard is
> db to find?
>
> eric
>

How hard is BlowBack to find?  Is that what yr asking?
If so, then it's not TOO bad.
I just saw it the other day in LA.
I personally *love* SWALLOW, although it seems that most people hate
them... Then continue to gripe about 4AD promoting non-4AD-ish type bands.
BLOW is a really good album, and the HUSH ep is also quite good.
Is there anything else, other than the three I've listed?

    -jOHN not much help

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:16:14 -0700
From: Anaj (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: TWP & the downfall of 4AD...


        I have to agree. 4AD seems to be losing it's touch, but I suppose
you can't expect anything to maintain it's quality forever. Those major
labels have really screwed up a lot of "lesser known" groups.  The artwork
for the Cocteau Twins is proof enough.
                                                -M

******************************************************************************
"I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke
 shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry."

                                -Baldrick BLACKADDER

On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Ian Frearson wrote:

> I just heard that The Wolfgang Press has permanently departed 4AD...(being a
> newcomer, perhaps this is old news...).  What's going on here?  As with the
> Cocteaus, I see this as being a Bad Career Move.  4AD is losing its
> focus--and its fairly sterling reputation.  The label is beginning to show a
> little wear around the edges:  that little logo used to be the Stamp Of
> Quality (or it was at least perceived that way), but now I'm really not so
> sure...  I just hate to see TWP disappear into the Bottomless Pit of Major
> Label-land--which hasn't been very nice to the Cocteaus.
>
> Heiff.
>


Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:07:06 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Medicine/Closedown/Will's cat


On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

> jOHN wrote:
>
> >The band was reviewed in a mag, and
> >the reviewer referred to the lead singer (Beth Thompson) as Liz Frasier.
> >Clueless.
> ^^^^^^^^^
> You said it! And I mean, if you're going to refer to someone by a completely
> incorrect name, the least you can do is spell it right. Maybe it was some
> kind of lamebrained attempt to slag Beth off as yet another Liz wannabe,
> which is pretty much established as a lazy and stupid criticism
>

Well, to be TOTALLY honest, it ws I who misspelled Frazier... Opps...
Must have been in a hurry.  But still, if'n yr going to write a serious
review, you should at least get the names right.  Perhaps the name was
spelled correctly, I personally didn't see the review... The information
was handed down from a friend.


> >-jOHN looking for a Gibson 335
>
> Well, as long as you're looking - can you get me one too? Cherry-red or
> black please :)

Actually Larry, I've seen quite a few this past week.  The only trouble
is that their quite expensive, and most of them have that *ugly* gold
hardware.  Yuck.  Still, I'd trade in my jAZZMASTER for one.  I'd like to
find a black one, w/ silver hardware, bound neck and body, and pearl fret
inlays.  The BB King Lucille is sweet!

> Will wrote:
>
> >I was
> >(and still am) very impressed by "nearfield", an excellent album.  The
> >answer for anyone missing Slowdive.
>
> Hmmm...have to disagree somewhat here. Maybe for anyone missing early
> Chapterhouse.

How hard is this to find?

> You realise this means you have one cool noise-pop kitty there? Hey, isn't
> there a cat snoring somewhere on _The Buried Life_?

Yeah, it's on pne of those instrumental (see no singing) tracks near the
end of the album.  It actually sounds more like purring.  It's cool.

    -jOHN looking for a cheap ROLAND JC-120 amp

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 02:25:44 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Indicate and other stuff... (was: re: main)


 jknee (Johnathan A. Rickman) wrote:
>Lastly, Robert has released a collaborative cd that he did with Jim O'Rourke
>entitled "Whelm" - they called the project INDICATE. Has anybody heard this?
>Real curious about it myself.

INDICATE - "Whelm" (Touch UK . . .  TO:25)

"Whelm" is best described as Brise-Glace meets Main. Superb stuff, whatever
you call it. While the album fits in well with the rest of the Main
catalogue, it's even more dynamically intricate than, say, F2... Nothing even
approaching a traditional 'melody' here - it's all about the interplay of
silence, sound, and noise. Not too far off from what Aurobindo does - but
with more subtlety and without the loopy (and, er... looped) samples.
The three tracks ("Main"iacally titled according to their durations) go from
sibilant near-stasis to explosions of Robert Hampson's patented white-noise
guitar carnage. This is still 'drumless space' - no rhythms here. Bursts of
shortwave radio, nature sounds, haunting drones and warbles (the "O'Rourke
Factor")... it's all woven together into an impeccable (and, often,
surprisingly aggressive) ambient fabric.

Definitely not the stuff of which, say, Cocteaus, are made of... But still a
must-hear for anyone who enjoys challenging and innovative music. Thumbs up!

Touch
13 Osward Road
London SW17 7SS

Gil
...inevitably, too hot to dry

- perhaps among the greatest things that the ab-fab-'lab have ever done! I
see that "animal or vegetable(a wonderful wooden reason)" will be on
version?

and, finally, if anyone has a copy of Moonshake's "First" cd-ep that they'd
consider selling, please contact me... I'm really desperate here! :-D


Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:58:53 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: projekt newsgroup warranted?


        Christina (the strawberry girl?) wondered:
>Looking at the number of recent posts regarding Projekt
>bands/albums/tours, I'm wondering if anyone thinks it would be a good idea
>to start a newsgroup devoted to primarily Projekt-related stuff [of
>course, I'm not volunteering to set one up, as I am generally an internet
>imbecile when it comes to understanding all the technicalities].  Would a
>Projekt group get much traffic on a regular basis?  Just something to
>think about.

        Yeah!  I'd participate!  I'm always up for hearing news about
Projekt releases.

>p.s. can someone who's heard the new Heavenly Voices III compilation give
>their opinion about it?  what groups are on it? [did someone already tell
>me, can't remember...]

        OK, you read my mind.  Look at my next post.  It's a review of HV III.

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Eerie as sleepwalkers, vaguely absurd as dummies are-dummies that can
walk, blinking their useless lids at nothingness.   ...Round us all,
meanwhile, the city sings, and laughs, and screams, mad in pursuit of
pleasure, whereas I . . .  I too drag by, but wonder, duller still, what
Heaven holds for them, all these blind men?"     -Charles Baudelaire

Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:52:46 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Heavenly Voices III *long review*


Hi Gang,

        OK, well, no one else would review Hyperium's *Heavenly Voices III*
compilation even though it seems that we all bought and loved the first
two.  So... i had to go out and buy it and now i've jotted down my
thoughts.  This is long!   So, either forgive me or delete it now.
("Fairly warned be thee, says I!")
        The focus of the Heavenly Voices triptych is the female voice.  As
with any copilation the quality varies from song to song and since many of
the songs on this one are previously released, the mileage you get out of
it will depend on how many of these artists you already have on CD.  I for
one had already heard half of these bands (which is fine) and own two of
the songs (the first two).  It's a little annoying to pay money for songs
you already have but there are 18 songs (>73 minutes) of music here so you
won't feel ripped off unless you're really disgruntled or have a huge
collection of this sort of music.
        This is an excellent and moving collection of songs.  Dare i say
it?  It's better than the first two!  Of the 18 songs there are only 3 that
i didn't care for (black rose, cello, Qntal) but they aren't even bad
enough for me to program my CD player.  This CD creates a mood, an
otherworldy mood, from the beautiful voices and the haunting music.  Enough
of the songs are down-right awe-inspiring and there is enough variety to
keep you from going insane.  This is an *essential* disk for any 4ADophile.
        So, here are the songs:

*love spirals downwards - write in water*
        This is a great song and a great beginning.  If i didn't already
have both albums i'd go out and buy them immediately after hearing this
disk.   Yeah there are hints of the cocteau twins but but but ... it's
great.  The most beautiful voice on projekt flows in perfect mesh with
cocteau style aether-bliss guitar-drums.

*bel canto - dewy fields*
        All bel canto songs are beautiful some are perky some are haunting.
 This is a perfect example of the haunting beauty with just right amount of
atmosphere and variety in the music.  There are brass intruments (are they
real?  i don't care), piano,  aahhh,  you can't resist singing along.  This
has been a longtime favorite.

*black rose - instants*
        The piano and vocals remind me of a musical that was never made.
Maybe it was, but i don't see musicals so i missed it and fortunately
missed this song too.   It's supposed to be sad but you don't feel like
crying unless you're the type that always brings tissues to the theater.

*chandeen - ginger remix*
        Refreshing flute sounds and yummy strumming.  Very nice, pleasant
song about the taste of ginger (mmmm).  This is better than i remember the
chandeen album being.  Is this on there?  I like it.  Yeah, this makes me
rethink my decision not to buy chandeen (i liked it but never seemed to
find enough money to buy it).

*faith and the muse- elyria*
        Tinkling pianolike sounds with slow almost military drums and lots
of chanting goodness, very atmospheric, very sexy, not a whole lot in
progression but great atmosphere and moaning otherworldiness.  I love it.

*stoa - partus*
        This is more classical with piano, strings etc.  Yes, it's quite
nice.  Reminds me of a more classical version of Grace Darling.

*miranda sex garden- monk song*
        Mesmerizing (repetitive) slowly building  set of contrasting
voices.  Starts off just voice then a single note then more complex voices.
 This is a very experimental use of voice (nice, but perhaps not for
everyone)--all their stuff should be this inventive.  This is the stuff
that makes my roommates think i'm nuts (eliciting responses like, "what the
hell is this?").  :)

*yoko ueno - aiofe*
        Echoey vocals, swashes of synth,  whispery/synthed background (voix
bulgares singers put through a voice processor--cyberbulgares).
Unintelligible clean crisp lyrics in front.  Builds into something more
full but less interesting.   floats away as beautifully as it came.

*cello - fleurs du mal*
        The guitar seems out of place on this compilation but the (French?)
vocals fit right in.   This doesn't live up to the calibre of the
Baudelaire namesake nor the the beauty quotient of the rest of the
compilation nor my expectations for songwriting.   The guitar and drums are
uninspired, plodding, and clumsily mixed.   Where's the cello?

*love is colder than death -  non lievi alchun*
        As you may know, i love LICTD, not every song mind you but each
album has something great to offer from the haunting William Blake song to
the more pop-classical Oxeia.  This one is very classical sounding,
madrigal inspired (?).  Nice courtly drums and multiple female voice tracks
with cathedral style reverb.  Too short but nice.  Not impeccable but
wonderful nonetheless and it's a NEW track.  Finally.

*fairies fortune - stay with me*
        Lyrics are in english and decipherable (at least the title of the
song is heard throughout).  This song is haunting, kinda like the less
perky bel canto songs.   There's a nice musical accompaniment which knows
when to be quiet when to come out.  Reminds me of something on the earlier
HV I&II comp's (i don't remember seeing the name before though).

*the third and the mortal - shaman*
        Begins with gothic guitar and synth, drums nice and building voice
(ahhh, nice contrast to the foreboding guitar front).   Singing is good in
the Loreena McKennittish style but its too obvious she's trying to say
nothing.  "hey, yaa ya yaa yaeeyaya"  drum putters out at the end in an
almost humorous lethargy.

*where i wake warm - water warps my words*
        More poppy than earlier songs, guitar (do i hear the cure? nah, not
really),  undecipherable vocals like you took lush and took some edge out
and lowered the voice mix to hide behind the guitar.  Chorus suddenly finds
the singing has blossomed into a beauty that commands full attention.  Is
this a different  song?  No but nicely variant from the intro.  Well done,
lots of variety and just the right length.

*Qntal - floris e blanchflor*
        Everything is too much here.  The drums start too drum machiney and
the music follows too loudly; the singing is too forced.  The kinda funky
musical track contrasts with the stuffy vocals.  Everything's too separate.
 The vocals don't have any interplay with the music.  The beat is
relentless (if i put the song back to the beginning i could count how many
measures the drum repeats itself--- no don't make me do that!)  If this
weren't the longest track on the album it would be fine but it also makes
this the worst track on the compilation.  Brevity is a blessing.   ---ooops
 i've fallen prey to the same vice, this review is growing out of control.

*merlons of nehemiah - romanoir*
        The pleasant bagpipesque beginning is followed by more impassioned
vocals (less sweet)--less perfect but not worse off for it.  Male chanting
is a little off kilter.   Sounds like she's having an argument with them.
The non-english language would be decipherable if i could speak it.  Nice
ending guitar picking.

*this ascention - swandive*
        The music is kinda in the strange boutique/cure style but more
ethereal in places, more 80's 4AD (I can't put my finger on it).  The voice
is used in a more traditional song structure.  Good enough but i would have
loved it in my undergraduate years (pre-1990).

*idee des nordens - mond*
        High pitched humming noise floats in and out around the voice it is
nicely freaky/eerie.  The electric piano (or is that guitar?  don't ask
me.)  and the vocals sound up front almost like something your mother might
play and sing as a lullabye to you as a child.

*faith and disease - calm*
        Haunting music gives way to more straightforward bass drums.  They
build to where the vocalist comes out in the midst of an unintelligible
chorus that is never repeated.  Synthesizer takes the show.  vocals rejoin
in time to drop us in silence at the end of the disk.

        That's the end,  whoa!  Go out and buy this disk.

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Eerie as sleepwalkers, vaguely absurd as dummies are-dummies that can
walk, blinking their useless lids at nothingness.   ...Round us all,
meanwhile, the city sings, and laughs, and screams, mad in pursuit of
pleasure, whereas I . . .  I too drag by, but wonder, duller still, what
Heaven holds for them, all these blind men?"     -Charles Baudelaire


Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 01:45:09 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Radio in Australia


 Hi

Benita Wheeler <9503603D@MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> said:

     >Hello (or should I say G'day) to all the 4AD-L people.
     >I'm a first year uni student from Australia who has just the other
     >day joined the list. Living where I do I haven't heard of andy of the
     >bands you guys are talking about. In any case, reading your
     >conversations has been entertaining to say the least. I did see a
     >message from Donald also in this great south land, so I'm glad I'm
     >not the only one. Hey Donald - are you a Triple J listener?

I live in the fair city of Melbourne. I listen mainly to 3RRR-FM and
3PBS-FM. I used to listen to Triple J when it started in Melbourne years
ago. It was quite good and played a diverse range of music. Then, the
announcers had some control over the play list. Then management took over
and dictated everything. The playlist "blanded" and it became more and more
mainstream. Public radio stations such as PBS and RRR have a greater degree
of independence and thus play better alternative and independent music. I
also do a radio show on a country public radio station.

Cheers

Donald

--..........
Donald Chin ..........  
--..........         "Lost somewhere in Australia..."


Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:14:57 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: 4AD artwork


morticia (?) wrote:

>Those major
>labels have really screwed up a lot of "lesser known" groups.  The artwork
>for the Cocteau Twins is proof enough.

If you're referring to the artwork on 4CC, well, the Cocteaux chose the
designer themselves, so it's their problem (including the godawful
typeface). And it's not as if all 4AD artists are happy with v23 doing their
sleeves and stuff (although I know it's not compulsory) - Kristin Hersh and
Kim Deal have both had er, difficulties with the stuff Vaughan Oliver wanted
to do.

Bruce sigged:

>|   A is for AMY who fell down the stairs.  |

Hey, the Gashlycrumb Tinies!

>>     -jOHN saw the Pacific ocean for the 1st time today!
>
>>     -jOHN likes DaRKLANDS quite a bit, thank you very much!
>
>Thom is flashing back to the Seinfeld episode with Jimmy, the guy who always
>speaks in third person!

Larry can't get over how funny that is!
___________
...between mountainsides, and boats and airplane rides...

Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:09:45 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new cocteau twins madre de dios


You wrote:

>I am in for a treat. :) God willing, I think I wangled myself a dub
for
>Monday. Yum yum yum...
>
>
> einexile from the expatriate front
some people just love to stroke themselves, EH?

For those of us who have also heard the new stuff, yes i would have to
agree, this is most tasty.  Far better than the recent offerings, well
at least more interesting and fuller.

thanks of einexile for keeping life interesting and making me laugh, ;p

cheers, euthlene

work backwards from reality.

Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:12:46 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Greek Magazine Reviews Need Translation


well i can't speak greek, but since IP is one of the labels i used to
deal with, i would be interested if you can ever get a translation.
you should try some of the other newsgroups. try venturing out into
some of the travel groups etc.  i'm sure it might take work, but i have
pretty much always found what i was looking for on the net.  You might
try going through the Yahoo server, that is a relatively easy index and
they have a large # of references.

Good Luck
Cheers, Euthelene

work backwards from reality.

Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:24:51 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: THE THE- the quest


You wrote:
>
>Please, can anyone tell me which record can I find the track
>Flesh and Bones? I've been looking for it for ages.
>
>many thanks,
>Patricia Matzenbacher
>9380013@pu.unisinos.tche.br

so in case there are any closet theThe fans, here goes.

Flesh and Bones can be found essentially as a B side to Heartland.

Heartland 12
Born in the New S.A.
Flesh and Bones 7 / 86  TRUTH T2 Epic

and the 2x12
Heartland
Born in the New S.A.    Perfect
Fruit of the Heart 9 / 86 TRUTH D2 Epic

Good luck, these aren't exactly rare but not exactly easily found, they
are out of print as far as i know.  Depending on what city you live in
finding really cool record stores is like trying to find the Holy Grail
and less rewarding.  So best of luck to you.

P.S. If anyone wants an extensive theThe discography, I have one.
Please email me privately  Uthelene@ix.netcom.com

Cheers, Euthlene

work backwards from reality.


Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 03:14:32 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@LIB.BEKKOAME.OR.JP)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid JP version cd


Somebody asked about this cd about a month ago.
1. It is still available. (today I got one for myself)
2. it contains two extra track: Messrs Hyde, Bullets And Bees
3. cat #: COCY-75899, digit #: 4-988001-471271
---
Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Nansei,Mie, Japan
toyokawa@lib.bekkoame.or.jp