4ad-l Mail for 09-01-1995

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Subject: Re: UK 4ad cd promotion(s)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:28:03 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: beautifulnoise tix on sale
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:28:33 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Live: Love Spirals on Friday
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:25:41 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: FTWW/Air Miami
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:08:04 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: gavinbryars/aphextwin
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:29:32 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: weird einexile rant for 31 aug 95
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:36:50 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Mirror Pool and other bits Australian
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:47:59 EST
From: dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Subject: Re: Greek Magazine Reviews Need Translation
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:39:03 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: new cocteau twins madre de dios
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 06:01:45 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Greek Magazine Reviews Need Translation
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 05:43:54 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: By the time I get to Arizona...
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:39:44 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: new cocteau twins madre de dios
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:27:29 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: Red House Painters concert
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:23:09 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: THE THE- the quest
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:59:29 GMT-3
From: "PATRICIA J. MATZENBACHER" (9380013@PUB.UNISINOS.TCHE.BR)
Subject: Re: lisa
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:17:54 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard and all that
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:09:28 -0400
From: Brian Feliciano (BALEXF@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: UVS and Medicine
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:14:14 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: lisa gerrard and gothic spleens
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:53:26 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Tammy&theAmps
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:03:03 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Re: weird einexile rant for 31 aug 95
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:36:16 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo delivery
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:27:03 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Kat Onoma
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:46:13 EDT
From: mattn@MIT.EDU
Subject: Medicine ball...
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:51:38 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:28:03 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: UK 4ad cd promotion(s)


>It's not 4AD UK you should blame here but 4AD USA!!
>I asked Cliff, the person's who's doing the e-mail for 4AD UK about the all
>these recent promo's and freebie like '..I Think I'm Getting A Hang Of It',
>'Yeah, But...' and 'Facing The Wrong Way', and he told me that 4AD UK have
>no voice in 4AD USA's promotional activities. But obvioulsy, 4AD UK care
>more about the people who buy their product than 4AD USA, who only send free
>samplers etc. to radio stations, the press and retail dealers.

So does anyone have any ideas about how we can get any of these samplers in
the US?  I'd really like to hear some of the stuff off of them and have no
idea how to go about getting them.

Thanks,
Jake


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:28:33 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: beautifulnoise tix on sale


passes for the 'all fish go to heaven' festival can be reserved as of today
8/30/95.  hopefully this move will help secure tickets (there are only 300
available) for those who are planning on travelling for the event.  there
are some great airfares via america west and southwest airlines at the moment
('til 9/1 i believe), plus i know how time consuming and irritating making
travel plans can be.  the ticket is a 2-day pass (hand letter pressed by bruce
licher at independent project press) and can be reserved for $10.00 each.
cash or checks (made out to brandon capps) can be sent to the address below.
the tickets won't be back from the printers until the end of september at
which time i can either send to those who reserved them or keep them on
'will call' at the door on the first night of the fest. the passes won't be
sold locally until the first week of october.  if you're planning on
attending and want to be certain of being admitted we encourage you
to reserve your ticket(s) asap due to the limited number of passes
available. any questions regarding the event can be sent to the addresses
below.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
                             brandon capps
                             p.o. box 1483
                            tempe, az 85280
                                 u.s.a.
                           bcapps@primenet.com
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:25:41 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Live: Love Spirals on Friday

              Pietrusko" at Aug 24, 95 12:02 pm

Hi Robert,

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to make it to the show.
I'll be really tight on time this weekend.  I'm soooooo disappointed
too!
I have heard about the crowd at that club; that everyone is draped in
black, skulking around thinking how gothic and cool they are.  About
five years ago I would have thought that was cool, but I guess I've
grown up since then.  Yellow would be a great color to wear!!! - make
them crawl back under the woodwork from which they came.
How is  Sam?  I had talked to him on the phone before (I used to be a
music director) and he was not the warmest person I ever encountered
(by a long shot).  I'm not the only person who was received this way
either.  Well, I guess you knew how to charm him...

Have a good time and tell me about the show.

Holly

PS Do you go to school in Phila?

bio4hah@cabell.vcu.edu


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:08:04 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: FTWW/Air Miami


H'y' wrote:

>Well, I've had my copy a few days now.
>Am I the only person to enjoy and appreciate this FREE offering from 4ad.
>Some of my thoughts.
>
>Scheer - I liked the demo single and thought they might sound a bit
>better with some decent production. But really, the guitar sounds like a
>cheap Gibson copy played through a cheap distortion pedal into a car stereo.
>I suggest accidently forget to record the lead guitar on the album.

But then, the whole idea of a lead guitar (I mean, pop musicians pretending
the can actually play their instrument) is horrible. ...If only punk would
have lasted a little longer there wouldn't have been lead guitarists around
any more.
P.S. for the worst 4AD lead guitar ever, listen to: Kendra Smith's 'Aurelia'
(the first track on the 'Five Ways Of Disappearing Album').


>Air Miami - The New Pixies ? looking foward to the new album.

The track on FTWW is 'Dolphin Expressway', isn't it? One of the best slices
of pop in 1995 so far, for sure. But for me Air Miami is just Unrest minus
Phil Krauth (listen to his solo album 'Cold Morning'!) with a few more
catchy tunes. So Air Miami = the new Pixies? I wouldn't think so.

Frank



++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:29:32 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: gavinbryars/aphextwin


> Well, the album was released six months ago, but the piece is almost 30
> years old.  It's one of those ever changing musical pieces (or whatever).
> Anyway, it's more of an ambient album than a classical one....kind of a
> creepy one at that.  I won't say it's brilliant, but it is sort of
> disturbing to be listening to it late at night, fall asleep, then wake
> up 45 minutes later with the same creepy string melody playing.

I found this disc to be ambient to the point of being downright boring.
The first track is good, but tracks 2-11 sound almost identical. I guess
that is the point of the thing, but I just can't stand to listen to it.
Part of the problem is the the melody is a hymn, and it sounds exactly
like one of the hymns we always sang at my parents church, so now
I can't stand listening to it.

> Anyway, what i'm really curious about is if anyone has heard _the raising
> of the titantic_, which is essentially aphex twin remixes.

I like both Aphex twin remixes. They sound like his stuff off Classics
rather than like Selected Ambient Works II.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"


Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:36:50 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: weird einexile rant for 31 aug 95


Who wrote this? I can't find the original post for the life of me...

> >6.  e --  if you're looking for some good content, head over to MBV-l.
> >Then have a really in-depth discussion of MBV/noise bands/pushing the
> >musical envelope type of thing going on over there.  Check it out.

I'm not the one who's been complaining about good content. I just do my
own good content and whoever wants to join in can. If no one does, I just
go and gossip about Fax-haters behind their backs. :) You mistake me for
k-j or Julian. My complaint is with yall's low morale. You bunches of
gloomies Gus.

On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, eric wrote:

> NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!  It's an ok list, but half of the content is things like:
>
> "The first time I heard MBV, I shit golden eggs for a week."  MBV is the
> band for me. . .(last sentance should be read aloud in a mindless droning
> voice.)  The rest of it is ok, though.

It sounds to me like the whole thing is intolerable. :) Reading about
pushing the musical envelope is right up there on my list with the "all
the original ideas are taken already" discussion. Hey, what say we
confine BOTH of them to MBV-l, conscribe Elaun to the list, and it can be
a sort of concentration camp for the fall of Western musical thought?

> I've only heard two Swallow songs, but I like their sound.  Could someone
> send me a bio, or even just a little info.  They sounded like a cross
> between Curve and MBV to me, only better. . .

OOOH busteddd! I'm going to tell MBV-l and Curve-l you said that!!
They'll tar and feather you and set you aflame then eat your cooked
carcass in their mosh pits...that is, if there's anything left of you
when our own Klub FSA gets through with you. ;)

Okay. What did you hear? I am more fond of the album Blow coming back to
it after some time. Originally it seemed very derivative to me, drawing
from the Cocteaus, the JMC (who is JAMC? a spinoff from TJAMC?), and
whatever else, but now it sounds mainly like the Breeders to me despite
the fact that the Cocteau guitars are not really debatable. They released
a limited remix ep after that, which isn't really limited because no one
wanted it and it is for sale in every record store in America and maybe
even a few in Europe. ;) It was nice but bland and everyone hated it. The
ep they released last year--by the title of Hush, i think?--is very good,
though, and quite original. Pretty, but original enough to have turned me
off the first time. I got weirded out. I definitely recommend this one if
you can find it. Does anyone know if they are still together?

In other news, I have a really embarrassing confession to make. :( For
seven years, I have been referring to the song "Lorretine" by Clan of
Xymox as "Lorrentine". GAWD. :( This is almost as bad as the fact that
until a few months ago I seriously thought a woodchuck was some bird. I
swear to god I did. *puff*

I need a Pepsi.


 einexile, agonised by myopia

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:47:59 EST
From: dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Subject: Mirror Pool and other bits Australian


     I sat down and actually listened to The Mirror Pool last night
     (opposed to half listening to it while doing something else).  As a
     result I'm a little more positive about it than I was after the first
     few listens.  Highlights for me were: The Rite - complexity, the mix
     of voices, mystery, possibly even a hint of overtones in there? (I
     noticed credits to Pieter Bourke who has previously been involved in
     Eden).  Largo - I'm going to have to find another recording now so I
     can compare Lisa Gerrard's interpretation.  I wish the vocal soloists
     that tour with the Australian Chamber Orchestra to which I subscribe
     were as interesting as this.  Nilleshna - very grand, if not a little
     corny towards the end, but that's OK sometimes.

     I was curious to note that Largo was not one of the tracks credited as
     being recorded with the Victorian Philharmonic.  I would have thought
     an orchestra would have been handy for Handel.

     Thanks to Frank Brinkhuis for the posting of Lisa Gerrard's commentary
     - the album composition makes a bit more sense from that perspective.
     By the way, what/where is the PIAS website?

     Re the artwork.  I would have to agree its not very exciting.  Perhaps
     its supposed to relate to where it was recorded (ie the Gippsland) -
     lots of forest and mountains in parts of that area I think.  I thought
     it was cute how the reflections don't match though

     Onto other things.  Has anyone else in Australia had trouble getting a
     copy of Eden's Fire and Rain.  I've tried to order it thru a store who
     said that their importer can't bring it in as its being distributed
     locally - except it isn't yet.  I noticed an ad in Dark Angel saying
     its to be released in September.  Yes, I could order it from projekt
     myself, but I'm lazy.


     Benita Wheeler <9503603D@MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> said:

     >Hello (or should I say G'day) to all the 4AD-L people.
     >I'm a first year uni student from Australia who has just the other
     >day joined the list. Living where I do I haven't heard of andy of the
     >bands you guys are talking about. In any case, reading your
     >conversations has been entertaining to say the least. I did see a
     >message from Donald also in this great south land, so I'm glad I'm
     >not the only one. Hey Donald - are you a Triple J listener?


     If you listen to Triple J you have probably heard some of the groups
     that I've seen discussed on this list, such as - The Breeders, Belly,
     Underground Lovers ... and when they're feeling a bit quiet and moody
     they might even dig out Song to the Siren.  I even heard them play a
     single released from Dead Can Dance's Into the Labyrinth once.  Sigh
     You people in the US and UK don't know how hard it is (sob).  Did
     anyone notice any Australian dates for the Lisa Gerrard tour someone
     posted recently - No? - gosh, where was it recorded again? (whine).

     David


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:39:03 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Greek Magazine Reviews Need Translation


>I recently recieved a few music reviews that were found
>in a Greek music magazine, they feature a feature a few
>I.P.R. bands (savage republic, scenic, tone, half string
>and alison's halo). The problem is I can't read them!!!
>I was wondering if anyone on the list is able to translate
>Greek into English??? If so please e-mail me personally
>and maybe we can work out some sort of music swap to
>compensate for your bilinguality.                 adam

and i still want to know what the greek on the back of the spoonfed hybrid
7" included with the lp says!

eric


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 06:01:45 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: new cocteau twins madre de dios


I heard most of I guess it was two songs from the new ep, the acoustic
one. GODDAM BEAUTIFUL. Oh man. You guys have to hear this shit. It is so
pretty and heavenly--the atmosphere of Victorialand or Echoes in a
Shallow Bay with the vocal power of Lifeforms Paths 1-7, and the ambience
and class of In the Nursery, the Cranes, Mojave, Dead Can Dance. I could
be wrong about this. I was distracted as hell and didn't hear it too
great. But oh my stars. I think we are in for a treat.

I am in for a treat. :) God willing, I think I wangled myself a dub for
Monday. Yum yum yum...


 einexile from the expatriate front


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 05:43:54 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Greek Magazine Reviews Need Translation


I recently recieved a few music reviews that were found
in a Greek music magazine, they feature a feature a few
I.P.R. bands (savage republic, scenic, tone, half string
and alison's halo). The problem is I can't read them!!!
I was wondering if anyone on the list is able to translate
Greek into English??? If so please e-mail me personally
and maybe we can work out some sort of music swap to
compensate for your bilinguality.                 adam

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:39:44 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: By the time I get to Arizona...


Would the person who's been posting about the IPRfest please contact me via
e-mail?  I'm thinking of attending the shows, but I need info on ordering
tickets.

Danke,


hk


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:27:29 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: new cocteau twins madre de dios

              

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:23:09 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters concert


        Are they still together?? I thought Vessel, Mack, and Koutsos had
packed it in and Mark Kozelek was going solo from here on out...it's just
me and you...
        ...I love it when that happens!


Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:59:29 GMT-3
From: "PATRICIA J. MATZENBACHER" (9380013@PUB.UNISINOS.TCHE.BR)
Subject: THE THE- the quest


Please, can anyone tell me which record can I find the track
Flesh and Bones? I've been looking for it for ages.

many thanks,
Patricia Matzenbacher
9380013@pu.unisinos.tche.br

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:17:54 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: lisa


>I've heard that the Capitol release is out of print, but a
>friend of mine just recently picked it up new in New Orleans--perhaps there
>are a lot of new copies still floating around out there?

Here in Indiana (Lisa's home state), you can find both versions of
"Happiness" very easily, as well as her first album.


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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:09:28 -0400
From: Brian Feliciano (BALEXF@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard and all that


Although I have no long-winded response for you, and most likely you will
completely disregard this response, I too agree.  This work is a completely
different level than that Spider's Stratagem and the like.  This is most
certainly a welcomed piece of art from Mrs. Gerrard.  Infinately better than
some of the last releases.   Brian

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:14:14 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: UVS and Medicine


On Thu, 31 Aug 1995 Initialboy@AOL.COM wrote:

> To change the subject, I really wonder how 'Her Highness' would have sounded
> like if they did get someone like Guy Fixsen to twiddle knobs with Brad
> Laner.

I'm still suprised that Brad Laner even had a co-producer at all.
Guy Fixson *was* asked to produce, but he was too busy with other things
(see LAIKA).  Fixson is a damn genius.

      -jOHN


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:53:26 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: lisa gerrard and gothic spleens


anyone notice yet that both swans and sanvean appear on the bootleg cd
'gothic spleens' recorded in 1990. actually i have a version of swans back as
far as 1988 on a bootleg i have.

i think both songs were actually more powerful then, although they remain two
of my favorites on the mirror pool now.

it is interesting to see the 1/3 extra or so added to sanvean on 'spleens'

thats all for now

todd sanders

dcd original hunter

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:03:03 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Tammy&theAmps


        Got in late last night and was shocked to hear that
        Tammy and the Amps played a secret gig in Whelans in
        Dublin. Read a while back that Kim and band are
        rehearsing in Dublin before UK gigs. Anyone in Dublin
        on the list see the gig?
 Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:36:16 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: weird einexile rant for 31 aug 95


I wrote:

I've only heard two Swallow songs, but I like their sound.  Could someone
>> send me a bio, or even just a little info.  They sounded like a cross
>> between Curve and MBV to me, only better. . .
>

e retorted hotly (but gently):

>OOOH busteddd! I'm going to tell MBV-l and Curve-l you said that!!
>They'll tar and feather you and set you aflame then eat your cooked
>carcass in their mosh pits...that is, if there's anything left of you
>when our own Klub FSA gets through with you. ;)
>
>Okay. What did you hear?

It was lovesleep.  off and dog bones too. . .We'll try again.  How hard is
db to find?

eric

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:27:03 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo delivery


>Hello,
>
>I'm curious to hear from those of you who have ordered the ESP Summer
>and other tapes from Time Stereo.  I have heard that the time of
>delivery takes anywhere from 6 months to "don't hold your breath."
>Is this true?

Here's my experience:

The first time I ordered, paid with check, and still had the tape in about
2wks (much quicker than the Teenbeet order I made around the same time).

The second time I ordered was a little over a month ago (i think), and I
still haven't heard anything.

bye,

eric

"Oat and barley, oat and barley. . .go together like eggs and bacon."
        -a sample on Pale Saints "Mrs. Dolphin"

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:46:13 EDT
From: mattn@MIT.EDU
Subject: Kat Onoma


I spent the summer in the north of France, and interested in the national
music scene, took a trip to the FNAC (big record shop) in Lille.  There I
found a group of particular intrerest:  Kat Onoma.

They sing mostly in English with a few songs in French.  Their English songs
are sung with such an unbelievably strong French accent, I think it's almost
intentional.  The music is very beautiful and reminds me a little of the
Wedding Present without the edge.

Does anybody out there know anything else about this group.  I liked the music
a lot but 145 F was a bit much to spend especially when I saved up all summer
for the Serge Gainsbourg.

Thanks,
Matt

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:51:38 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Medicine ball...


>>   Hey kids,
>>Yesterday I bought the new Medicine album.
>>One word... Pathetic.
>>
>>What happened?  Since when was it cool to put out mediocre pop?
>>It's not even catchy...
>>
>>Hard to believe I'm listening to the same band who gave us the brilliant
>>SHOT FORTH SELF LIVING.  Brad should stop listening to VH-1.
>
>Yes yes, but does it sound like Led Zeppelin?

Is this negative opinion about the new Medicine shared by most Med fans on
this list? I'm debating now whether I should buy this, when before I wouldn't
have thought twice... (although I did dislike that single in The Crow -- is
this the direction they're going?)

ANy Seattleites seeing Medicine this Sunday at the big ole Bumbershoot fest?
I saw them last year and they were _brilliant_ (in spite of a very weak and
clueless turnout; I think their p.r. people screwed up...).

-----

>     -jOHN saw the Pacific ocean for the 1st time today!

>     -jOHN likes DaRKLANDS quite a bit, thank you very much!

Thom is flashing back to the Seinfeld episode with Jimmy, the guy who always
speaks in third person!

    + ---    Thom S. Heileson
   + +-             oR                 [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
    + -    phASER@cyberspace.com

           heilts1@macgw.ghc.org

"Don't throw ashtrays at me." - Can (the most sublime lyric ever sung)