Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:08:26 -0400
>>..........Why do people take things so seriously, do some people
>>in this group have no sense of humour?
>Jo, the moment you say something amusing we'll have a good laugh together.
>The point of what I said before was that one-line replies dissing someone's
>review are not funny, informative or useful. I defend my right to be
>annoyed by some newbie trashing a well-written and informative review by a
Gosh gee willikers, Jens, I'm definitely honored by the compliment! :)
Y'know, for a while now, I've been enjoying a series of surprisingly
well-thought and not-so groinally reflexive discussions about... gasp, MUSIC
on this list, and whilst the music-to-nonmusic content has been varying, it's
all been quite entertaining, as I get the impression that SOME amount of
thought went into these postings. But then again, any set of repartees from
e, the Enemy of the People, ALMOST regardless of musical content is high on
the entertainment scale in my book (take a bow, sir, that's a compliment).
But anyway, before I wander off onto beating a probable dead horse....
Got the new Medicine album last night, from the review pile of the local
arts'n'entertainment weekly (if you think what I spew here is bad, shudder to
think ye all, that I actually write reviews for said publication from time to
time - muahahahaha). Anyway, to cut to the chase, had I paid $14US for it, I
would not have been pleased. But, as I have a promo copy to review, the fact
that my credit card had survived a swipe ALMOST, just ALMOST makes up for it.
Here's my impression of the album after having it on the discman at work for
the first half of today.
This is NOT 'Shot Forth Self Living.' However, it is neither 'In Through the
Out Door'. The fact that Eddy Offord claims production credits doesn't seem
to shine through in terms of any Steve Howe-esque guitar extravagances or any
wailing Jon Anderson proto-neu-age silliness (however, can you imagine
Laner'n'company trying their hand at something like "Close to the Edge"?).
Thank goodness for small favors. Nonetheless, this still does not account
for the fact that the Gratuitous White Noise Factor has been progressively
diminishing with each successive Medicine album, and while the Pop Song
Quotient seems to be increasing, there's nothing here with the same sort of
barbed fishhook immediacy as... "Time Baby II" or "Defective".
The first great appeal of Medicine to me was the fact that they came across
to me as what it would sound like if Brian Wilson were to have remixed a
Hanatarash album (totally over-the-top acidwash sonic overload with a
brickload of pop sensibilities thrown in as a chaser, for fuck's sake!). And
for some reason yet unfathomed by yers truly, Mr. Laner and crew seem to be
mellowing on the sandblast bits and striving for "that perfect pop record".
This is not a bad thing by definition. However, I think they're losing
their totally unique aspect in order to serve the pop ideal (i.e. The Boo
Radleys), and somewhere in the shuffle out comes 'Her Highness', which sounds
to me like a good, moderately spiky noisepop album. Indisputably good if
made by someone else, but from Medicine, it comes up a little bit short.
Anyhow, there it is, my insignificant $0.02 in the continuing Medicine
controversy. And contrary to popular belief, I am NOT taking any of this
PS. Also heard the Tarnation album last night, and as a first impression I
feel this is definitely NOT my cup of tea. However, upon returning home, I
did throw on 'Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits' just to make sure my bearings were
straight, and as far as I could tell, they were/are.
PPS. On a nonthislisty tangent, I'd also checked out the Dirty Three album
that just got re-released through Touch&Go. I am simply amazed at how a
guitar-violin-drums instrumental trio can... um, rock out so much without
looking stupid. While I typically find myself bored to tears by most
instrumental bands with a rawk'n'roll setup, these guys are totally engaging
with relatively little artwank involved. I bet these guys sweat more than
all of Rachel's and Dif Juz combined.... :) Most easily the most noteworthy
rock band to come outta Oz since the Birthday Party, if I may dare to be so
"Go kid, GO! KID!" -- My Favorite
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:26:13 -0700
I am wondering if the MERCY SEAT ep/single/whatever was released on disc,
or just 12"... Someone once told me that he heard it was released as a
very limited cd, along w/ the vinyl. I aslo was told that 4AD was going
to re-release a lot of the older singles that are now long out of print.
This was all over a year ago...
In regards to HK's Medicine review:
Brad Laner said it best in an interview w/ AP when SFSL was released...
"There's already enough beautiful music out there" , or something like that.
He must have had a change of heart... Oh, I wish Guy Fixson would have
produced it the way it was initially planned...
The only songs That got my attention were "All Good Things" (track 1) and
"I Feel Nothing At All" (track 4). The rest is just formulated pop, w/
a little bit of fuzz. I'm still hoping it will grow on me.
Something kinda funny that I heard: The band was reviewed in a mag, and
the reviewer referred to the lead singer (Beth Thompson) as Liz Frasier.
Anyways... Does anyone kow how many copies of SPIRITUALIZED's PURE PHASE
glow in the dark cd were made? Did they ever tour America headlining? I
know they opened for Siouxsie, and then for Bush (yuck)...
Oh yeah... Where can I get a promo copy of Mojave? I'm jonesing for one
-jOHN looking for a Gibson 335, and a 4-track
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:00:31 -0500
>But with eager salivation I did march to the music shop and procure my
>copy of The Mirror Pool. As for the album art, pseudo-artsy schlock for
>the most part, although the inside portrait of Lisa is very nice.
are there different covers available? the one i got-
a doubled photograph of a line of trees against a sky that
looks like a swirl up the middle- is beautiful! in a
magazine i seem to remember one with a purple cover- is
this the ugly one? limited edition maybe?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:38:41 +0100
Aug 29, 95 06:38:55 pm
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:12:03 -0400
Why is it that all the great 4AD promotions are in England. What does
America have to do to prove herself worthy?!! Establish a monarchy?!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:12:08 -0400
This is just one of a handful of bands (Frank Black, Glee Club, Ultra Vivid
Scene) that will point to the end of 4AD as we now know and love it.
The accountants seem to be tacking the reins od the label and bands that
should be nurtured into the next Cocteau's or Muses are simply being heaped
on the rubbish pile for the next "hip thing"
The family is dysfunctional.
p.s. Thanks to all that paticipated in the recent Mirror Pool promo auction,
and that includes those that read the post with a since of tolerance.
The meek shall inherit nothing. Frank Zappa
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:15:30 EDT
>I'm hoping someone can answer a simple question that was probably
>discussed when i was in high school or something. I heard the first lisa
>germano album was first available from capitol, and then was rereleased
>on 4ad. But the capitol release is the one to get because 4ad remixed it
>all and the original version is better. is that right? and how hard is
>it to find?
NO NO NO!!! y'er talking about 'happiness' and the 4AD version is the one
to get - MUCH better mix ... nice spooky feel to it and wisely replaces
'these boots ...' with a much better cut. although, i do really like the
cover picture on the capital release...
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:09:49 +0200
Aug 30, EyeRate wrote:
is it that all the great 4AD promotions are in England. What does
>America have to do to prove herself worthy?!! Establish a monarchy?!
It's not 4AD UK you should blame here but 4AD USA!!
I asked Cliff, the person's who's doing the e-mail for 4AD UK about the all
these recent promo's and freebie like '..I Think I'm Getting A Hang Of It',
'Yeah, But...' and 'Facing The Wrong Way', and he told me that 4AD UK have
no voice in 4AD USA's promotional activities. But obvioulsy, 4AD UK care
more about the people who buy their product than 4AD USA, who only send free
samplers etc. to radio stations, the press and retail dealers.
P.S. hey, and ever seen a US limited deluxe edition??
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:32:32 -0400
Poole is a band on SpinART records and have an album called Alaska Days,
I think. They also have 4 songs on a Brilliant/ Slumberland compilation
called "Wyatt's Torch." That's about all I know...hope it helped!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:03:18 -0600
Hi all. Just some things I was wondering about......
1. Scott is absolutely right. Closedown are brilliant. I too have been
wondering what these guys are up to. Anything new in the works? I was
(and still am) very impressed by "nearfield", an excellent album. The
answer for anyone missing Slowdive. I'd like to see where they go from here.
2. Isn't the new lovesliescrushing supposed to be out soon?
3. This is for FSA fans. Any of you out there notice on Rainstorm
Blues, about 2 and a half minutes into the song, that a girl gasps
sharply? I only hear it at that point in the song, and it sends chills
down my spine. A brilliant touch.
4. The new Medicine. I'm beginning to think this is an album that will
grow on alot of us. At least I'm hoping it will. Also, last week I was
listening to SFSL, and at the end of track 7 I heard a cat purring. It
was the first time I heard it and I thought it was brilliant, another one
of those brilliant touches. Then I realized it was just my cat. But it
was damn brillaint at the time, and it totally fit with the music.
5. Could somebody post some more info on Poole? For some reason I'm
really interested in this band. Never heard them, no idea what they
sound like, I just wanna know more. Any info would be appreciated.
6. e -- if you're looking for some good content, head over to MBV-l.
Then have a really in-depth discussion of MBV/noise bands/pushing the
musical envelope type of thing going on over there. Check it out.
We are all infected because we are all affected........
Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. [email protected]
MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:06:46 -0600
Will again, with another one of those "Am I the only one, or does this
sound just like......?" questions. I was wondering if I was the only one
who thought that the beginning of "Alright"(tr.6) on the Maids of Gravity
album sounded exactly like Stereolab? I mean EXACTLY like them. If I
started the cd on that track I'd swear I'd picked up a new stereolab.
When is that coming out anyway?
We are all infected because we are all affected........
Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. [email protected]
MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:27:24 -0400
The new STEROLAB lp, "Refried Ectoplasm" (Switched On Vol. 2)
will be out SEPT. 24th. Did anybody catch the STEROLAB track
that came with the latest Melody Maker - statesidewise anyway?
"Pop Quiz" I think. Is this an unreleased version?
On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, mesocyclone wrote:
I was wondering if I was the only one
> who thought that the beginning of "Alright"(tr.6) on the Maids of Gravity
> album sounded exactly like Stereolab? I mean EXACTLY like them. If I
> started the cd on that track I'd swear I'd picked up a new stereolab.
> When is that coming out anyway?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:08:07 -0700
On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Elaun Laurene wrote:
> Ok ok ok. You want intelligent conversation about the content of said
> works cough it up. I don't see anything about composition here.
I was interested in what you thought. If you want to see what I think of
the album, search the archives. I didn't think it would be very
interesting to restate the all but unanimous response to this album.
You're the weirdo; YOU explain yourself.
> Frankly, if the work does not peak my interest I really don't care how
> many samples were used on what effects processor through their Mac / midi
> related equipment (and it doesn't take much intellegence to click a
> mouse now does it).
Okay, maybe I should have told you that we aren't talking about craft,
either. We aren't talking about knee jerk reactions and we aren't talking
about craft, nor are we discussing label politics, who shagged who, what
the album art looks like. One more time everybody now: YOU offered,
pause, your opinion of Euphoria, meaningful pause, as the turning point
of 4AD. Granted, you did say "for me". For me, I like ice cream cones. I
like the color yellow and swimming and Pepsi...oh yeah, the album also
features someone playing the guitar, and even a little singing. Maybe you
> Now don't get me wrong. There are some fabulous
> creative, computer music composers out there - the Insides, for me,
> weren't even close to one of them. Works must take people somewhere.
> _Euphoria_ takes me no where.
I was never interested in your *feelings*. You asserted that the release
MEANT something. We were talking about the downfall of 4AD, remember?
Hello? I was interested in what I assumed to be an opinion about the
quality of the work--NOT ITS EFFECTS ON YOU. You obviously do have an
opinion of it, hence the bitter crap about clicking a mouse. "Now don't
get me wrong" does not clear you because it is an exact contradiction of
your previous sentence. You hold mouse-clicking in contempt, yes? No?
> So, what was it about _Mine_ that turned you off? You're as guilty as I
> for lack of justification here.
I am beginning to wonder whether you have even heard the one or read my
comments on the other. I said I loved Mine. I made this quite clear. What
the hell is wrong with you, anyway? Look, never mind about the whole
quality/enjoyment/craft/mouse thing. I think we should end this
conversation before I am tempted to use you as an example of what is
wrong with modern culture in general. Get your last digs in and let's end
this thread before it turns into highbrow humor.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:08:12 -0500
e, quit meekly said:
>I think we should end this conversation [interject comment (1) here]
>before I am tempted to use you as an example of what is
>wrong with modern culture in general. [comment (2)]
>Get your last digs in and let's end this thread before it turns into
>highbrow humor. [comment (3)]
I have to interject just three uncalled-for comments since i don't
like to just sit by and let well enough alone. (1)"Bravo!" (2)"OUch!,
that's harsh (undeserved?)." and (3)"It's too late." :)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:35:37 -0500
On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
> Hello? I was interested in what I assumed to be an opinion about the
> quality of the work--NOT ITS EFFECTS ON YOU. You obviously do have an
Not to defend this guy, e (I loved Euphoria and find this guy's
criticisms to be poorly elucidated), but doesn't one's opinions of the
merit of any work of art spring from subjective interpretation, i.e. its
effects on the listener forming the opinion?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:06:20 -0700
I'm listening now to what has got to be one of the most exquisite
contemporary singers blast away the modern confines of music.
I can understand if one does not like classical, baroque, gothic,
gregorian, etc etc BUT this is incredible. My stomach got all tingly,
my eyes welled up with tears this performance was so powerful. (No
flames about getting life, I have one thank you fine, more than y'all
ever know or understand. I just happen to be classically trained
musician that played in a punk band, and jazz ensemble) Handel's Largo
was too intense. Her voice is primo and I'm listening on a portible CD
player with shit head phones. Can you imagine the performance in a
After all most of DCD music is "classical", traditional folk,
DCD'd-i-fied. So perhaps I'm being a bit daft, but just how far off is
the release from what DCD has done before, it may be purer in form, but
this is the music on which they based the majority of their
work--especially the world music of Eastern Europe.
Anyhow, that's my two cents, quite a bit to say from a lurker. But i
only speak when the spirit moves me and I just got thrown off a cliff!
work backwards from reality.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:36:47 -0400
many apologies for the crossposting... but
in talking with scott on 28.08.95 my llc
page has been made official...i've put up some
of the things we discussed...(including more about
the new release)...i'll be overhauling
the llc page in the next two months...
scott has told me two new llc addresses:
if there thinbg's you like to to see done...let me know
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:07:38 -0400
>I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the song "caught by the fuzz."
>The rest of the album is trash though. I think the monkey guy looks
I think I must be one of the only people *not* to have heard Caught By The
Fuzz, although I *have* heard Mansize Rooster. It was okay but no big deal,
I thought. But in the ugly-bastards-who-get-too-much-press stakes, Mr Simian
and his pals are right up there with Oasis...
Someone was asking a while ago about what kinds of gear the Cocteau Twins
use. The February '91 issue of _Guitar Player_ has the following rundown of
Robin Guthrie's stuff: Paul Reed Smith guitar, Boss exciter, Boss chorus,
Yamaha D1500 delay, some kind of harmonizer, Boss phase shifter, Boss
high-band flanger, regular Boss flanger, a vibrato pedal [no name given], a
volume pedal [ditto], Jim Dunlop Cry Baby wah, and a delay, into two Rivera
Combo amps and then into some noise gates that are triggered by a sequencer
when playing live so that he can get odd tremolo effects. He also uses
Marshall and Gallien Krueger amps in the studio and says his favourite pedal
is the Roland Jet Phase. I suppose if you wanted to sound just like him,
this would be your shopping list.
BTW, does anyone have the URL for the Cocteau web site?
[Kate St John guest appearances]
She also played oboe, cor anglais and soprano sax on Blur's "Starshaped"
Larry, dispenser of trivia
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:53:26 -0400
so is anyone gunna give me the lovesliescrushig
address?? (home address, po box thingy)...
i asked nice once before, do i have to beg!?
the good thing about cd roms, is that
i can listen to seefeel when no one is around.
please send me the lovesliescrushing address...