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Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 26 Aug 1995 to 27 Aug 1995
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:39:08 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Kate St. John???
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:38:21 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: DEM'S FIGHTIN WORDS!!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:45:39 -0600
From: Elaun Laurene (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Happy Families, anybody?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:10:02 -0600
From: Elaun Laurene (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: mistakes one and two
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:21:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:42:11 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:40:29 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: HI
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:03:07 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 27 Aug 1995 to 28 Aug 1995
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:51:40 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: DIGESTers
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:17:14 EDT
From: Scott Davies (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: New Medicine LP
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:08:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 27 Aug 1995 to 28 Aug 1995
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:35:13 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: UK 4ad cd promotion(s)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:09:15 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:40:54 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: New Too Pure releases
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:51:12 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: New Medicine LP
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:44:13 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: le fall d'swervedriver
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:48:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:02:13 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Cocteau Twins Update from one of the horses' mouths...
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:51:12 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:26:09 +0100
From: Jo Smo (asx022@COVENTRY.AC.UK)
Subject: a little goodie...
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:35:33 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: gavinbryars/aphextwin
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:17:23 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: for the detroit medicine admirers
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:20:17 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Love Spirals East Coast
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:03:21 -0400
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: beautiful noise fest 10/13+14/95
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:12:17 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:30:14 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:38:27 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Tarnation UK release date?/Gerrard
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:00:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Wassup with this lusth list
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:47:38 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:16:15 -0600
From: Elaun Laurene (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: New Medicine LP
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:16:00 EDT
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful noise fest 10/13+14/95
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 16:07:19 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:38:55 -0500
From: Fortunate Hazel (fhazel@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:39:03 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:29:41 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: lisa
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:44:12 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: NON-SCAN: Charlatans Discography
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:56:48 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: ignore me
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 23:45:26 -0400
From: Laura Johnson (ljohnson@HUSC.HARVARD.EDU)
Subject: GREETINGS
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:15:24 +0930
From: Benita Wheeler (9503603D@MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU)
Subject: Bored With Usenet/New to List; Dif Juz
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:05:03 -0400
From: Laura Johnson (ljohnson@HUSC.HARVARD.EDU)

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:39:08 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 26 Aug 1995 to 27 Aug 1995


initialboy wrote:

>Who wrote the Village Voice article?  Robert Xgau?  Just curious.

Simon Reynolds. Actually, he pretty much dismisses the idea of "postrock"
becoming really huge since it doesn't focus on the performer/frontperson as
much as the public is accustomed to.

>However, I would seriously start questioning the aesthetics
>of the lumpenprole if, oh, let's say Laika's 'Silver Apples of the Moon' went
>straight to #1 on Billboard.  I mean, that'd be kinda cool, but would or
>could that really happen?  And what sort of world would that be... hey,
>didn't this happen in an episode of 'Sliders'?  :)

Well, it's funny you should say that- there's a sidebar piece on the
(slight) return of progressive rock as seen by an old skool punk: "It's
ironic - back in the pre-Nirvana good old days, I always fantasized about
what it would be like if commercial radio stations played punk rock (...) I
never figured: (a) that it would ever happen; (b) that it would annoy me so
much; and (c) that it would drive me into the arms of a cheesy 10-minute
syntesizer solo! Of course, this will all change when the House of Geffen
signs a Moogcentric instrumental post-punk band and sends it into the Top 40
and a Lollapalooza slot."

>[insert endorsement for 'Desperado' here]

"It's _Pulp Fiction_ Gone South of The Border!" (I'm not making that up,
BTW). Does that sound like it should have a Taco Bell tie-in or what?

Larry, who went to 3 record stores the other day, all of which were playing
Guided By Voices...spook!

PS Does anyone know anything about a band called Shift?

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:38:21 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Kate St. John???


        I've been eyeing Kate St. John's solo album since it came out.  BUT
the money is so tight.  Has anyone heard this album (called  "Indescribable
Night")?
         I'd love to get opinions since the only thing i know is that she
was in Dream Academy (which i liked at the time) and Channel Light Vessel
(which i think is pretty cool--i'm a sucker for good artwork).  I read a
review in AP which might as well not have said anything since it started
with a Beach Boys quotation and ended with "We're never too big for teddy
bears, after all."   GIVE ME A BREAK!   .....   excuse me sorry to yell.
OK, the review had one statement that intrigued me:  "harks back to
classical ideas ... the rest, well, it wouldn't be too difficult to imagine
the orchestra on the Titanic playing it before the iceberg hit."
        I don't want to let this one pass by and then never be able to find
it after a year, when i have more money, so please let me know more.

-cz

discussion of Heavenly Voices III?  I'm feeling guilty for not having
bought it and reviewed it already.   Of course i am finding myself quite
poor and busy preparing to move back home to Seattle (i just spent $2000 on
truck/gas/plane) and writing up my doctoral thesis.

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"The purpose of words is to convey ideas.  When the ideas are grasped the
words are forgotten.  Where can I find a person who has forgotten words?
There is the one I would like to talk to."     -Chuang Tzu

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:45:39 -0600
From: Elaun Laurene (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: DEM'S FIGHTIN WORDS!!


On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

>
> I think a closer analysis of the problem might show that you are actually
> quite mad. Euphoria is a better album than Mine, my friend. It is
> undeniably brilliant. It may be annoying or send you personally into no
> thrill of ecstacy, but do you *honestly* call Euphoria an album lacking
> sufficient class, originality, finesse, care, dexterity, or glamour to
> fit in with the best labors of love circa what we all seem to agree were
> 4AD's Glory Years? Why? Since the subject at hand is the quality of 4AD
> releases and not just personal preference, you are making an aesthetic
> judgement here. I am really curious as to what problem you could possibly
> have with this album. I don't know a lot of people who love it, but I've
> never seen someone denounce it. I personally think it is better than both
> Mine and Spoonfed Hybrid, though by not too wide a margin.
>
> Okay, maybe not undeniably, but you really have got me wondering if you
> should perhaps be hospitalized for this.
>
Well, exile (et al),

I listen to music from the gut.  It has to feel good indside (no pun
intended) for me to love it.  Some stuff is good, but I don't own it.
The stuff I buy does something to me.  It fills a void.  _Euphoria_ did
not send shivers down my spine, nor did it entertain or enlighten me in
any way shape or form.  All of us have different backgrounds and
experiences which allow us to view the world differently.  Some may
prefer, as you do, _Euphoria_ over _Mine_; however The Glee Club spent
many hours in my CD player and I played it on my radio show every week
for months.  Incidently, being in Canada where both albums were not
released domestically, I had to special order both in.  I saw an ad in a
magazine for both albums and if I do recall correctly _Blood_ and chose
_Euphoria_ as my first order.  I was so disappointed that it took me
weeks before I dared to order the other album, _Mine_, from the ad.
Forking out the extra cash may also have something to do with  my "madness".
Sorry, but that's the way i feel.

Elaun


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:10:02 -0600
From: Elaun Laurene (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Happy Families, anybody?


No this isn't an inquiry into the state of your home life.  A friend of
mine would like to know if Happy Families still have anything available
on vinyl or cd or anything!

Thanks!
Elaun


X  Elaun L. Cable        x  Rm. 127 MacEwan Hall   x "My life suits    X
X  Spoken Word Director  x  University of Calgary  x  me very well..." X
X  CJSW 90.9 fm          x  Calgary, AB            x                   X
X                        x  T2N 4N1                x                   X
X      ecable@acs.ucalgary.ca    /    cable@freenet.calgary.ab.ca      X


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:21:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: mistakes one and two


1. My attempt to have an intelligent discussion about artistic standards
   with someone who cannot distinguish an artistic standard from a gut
   reaction. (I thought labels like 4AD sprang up in the first place
   because some of us were sick of music for the gut?)

2. My purchase of the new Swervedriver album. BLEAGH. No wonder this band
   is still on Creation! And who are these two new guys? Are Swervedriver
   swingers?? Because I sure hope they have been doing something with
   their time other than recording music. What elitist crap! Rock and
   roll needs this like it needs a slow, agonizing death.


 einexile, who must now capture anita lane and make her his slave

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:42:11 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

>  einexile, who must now capture anita lane and make her his slave
>
That might be mistake #3.

Martin


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:40:29 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

>
> 2. My purchase of the new Swervedriver album. BLEAGH. No wonder this band
>    is still on Creation! And who are these two new guys? Are Swervedriver
>    swingers?? Because I sure hope they have been doing something with
>    their time other than recording music. What elitist crap! Rock and
>    roll needs this like it needs a slow, agonizing death.
>

Those two guys are the new Bass player and the new drummer.
Is it alnong the same lines of where MEZCAL HEAD was going, or more like
the LAST DAY ON EARTH single?

>
>  einexile, who must now capture anita lane and make her his slave
>

   Anita Lane?  Anita Hill?

     -jOHN saw the Pacific ocean for the 1st time today!


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:03:07 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: HI


If'n anyone is out there and would like to talk privatly about 4 AD stuff
or anything else, please drop me a line at :  Kelli@netcom.com
Kelli is sleeping, And I feel like talking about anything.  Cool.

BTW, has anyone heard the new Mouse On Mars?  Or the soon to be released
PRAM?

     -jOHN likes DaRKLANDS quite a bit, thank you very much!


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:51:40 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 27 Aug 1995 to 28 Aug 1995


What?! The Mojave album won't be out until October?! Nrrrgh...Does it seem
like 4AD are just picking up bands from other labels nowadays?

As for the new Swervedriver...it appears that they have yet to get over
their thing for writing songs about cars and driving. This album marks the
second time they've written a song entitled "Son Of [insert type of car here]"

>        ps is there merit to supergrass that i am missing?

Nope! I believe Melody Maker's Mr Abusing said it best when he described
them as "two schoolboys and a monkey" and "two fuckwits and a shaved baboon"

Larry

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:17:14 EDT
From: Scott Davies (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: DIGESTers


i tried the:

  SET 4AD-L MAIL
  SET 4AD-L DIGEST

thingy that jim jones suggested and it worked for me.

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:08:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: New Medicine LP

              -0700 

jOHN wrote:

>   Hey kids,
>Yesterday I bought the new Medicine album.
>One word... Pathetic.
>
>What happened?  Since when was it cool to put out mediocre pop?
>It's not even catchy...
>
>Hard to believe I'm listening to the same band who gave us the brilliant
>SHOT FORTH SELF LIVING.  Brad should stop listening to VH-1.

Yes yes, but does it sound like Led Zeppelin?

Simon Hughes

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:35:13 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 27 Aug 1995 to 28 Aug 1995


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

> >        ps is there merit to supergrass that i am missing?
>
> Nope! I believe Melody Maker's Mr Abusing said it best when he described
> them as "two schoolboys and a monkey" and "two fuckwits and a shaved baboon"
>
> Larry
>

I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the song "caught by the fuzz."
The rest of the album is trash though.  I think the monkey guy looks
pretty cool!

      -jOHN

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:09:15 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: UK 4ad cd promotion(s)

              <9508281425.AA19604@robots.oxford.ac.uk>

David Thorpe wrote:

>Unfortunately there's no Virgin megastore here in Oxford yet, but one
>is opening up soon. On the front of the soon-to-be store at the moment
>are billboard posters stating:
>
>                               Yes!
>                               YES!
>                             Y E S ! !
>
>                          We're coming!

Tsk tsk, David, that's the Private shop.

Simon Hughes

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:40:54 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> >  einexile, who must now capture anita lane and make her his slave
> >
> That might be mistake #3.
>
> Martin

I DON'T CARE!! Okay then, the other way around! Anything! :)

 einexile the enchanted


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:51:12 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: New Too Pure releases


Hi

>...whilst I am in both a de-lurking and shameless promotional
>mood, I'd like to mention a couple of new Too Pure releases in
>the UK...
>
>MOUSE ON MARS - IAORA TAHITI - PURE 48 (out now)
>PRAM - SARGASSO SEA - PURE 46 (out 4th September)

Funny, I saw Pram's Sargasso Sea CD in a local record store last week (in
Melbourne, Australia).

Cheers

Donald

--..........
Donald Chin ..........  
--..........         "Lost somewhere in Australia..."

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:44:13 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: New Medicine LP


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Simon Hughes wrote:

> jOHN wrote:
>
> >   Hey kids,
> >Yesterday I bought the new Medicine album.
> >One word... Pathetic.
> >
>
> Yes yes, but does it sound like Led Zeppelin?
>
> Simon Hughes
> email: tcssph@aie.lreg.co.uk
>

Yikes!  Lets not get that beast going again.
I still think the LedZep comparison is complete rubbish, though.

Hey hey hey, I Have sad news for all you Verve fans.  A very reliable
source told me that Verve have broken up.  Supposidly Richard had mono,
cancelled a few dates on the tour, and then decided to call it quits.
Right before the big US tour... How sad.

I was supposed to see them play in Cleveland for Alternative Press's 10th
birthday party.  The band came out and played through 1 one and a half
songs, threw down their guitars, and walked of stage.  Bummer.  Medicine,
Catherine Wheel and Helmet were incredible, though.

   -jOHN

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 05:48:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: le fall d'swervedriver


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, ESP jOHN wrote:

> Those two guys are the new Bass player and the new drummer.
> Is it alnong the same lines of where MEZCAL HEAD was going, or more like
> the LAST DAY ON EARTH single?

You mean brilliant with a few lame songs on it, or awful with one okay
song on it? It is...well, I shouldn't say for sure without listening to
the album again...but I really don't want to listen to the album again.
best of their new songs except for a couple of short instrumentals which
are nice. Not too much of the album is awful or obnoxious, but it is
really sparing on the high points. I don't see why they needed these two
new lamers anyway. :(

> >  einexile, who must now capture anita lane and make her his slave
>
>    Anita Lane?  Anita Hill?

NO! Not Anita Hill! I must capture Anita Hill and make her PAY! hahaha

>      -jOHN saw the Pacific ocean for the 1st time today!

You really should see more movies, jOHN. :)


 e


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:02:13 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, cz wrote:

>         I've been eyeing Kate St. John's solo album since it came out.  BUT
> the money is so tight.  Has anyone heard this album (called  "Indescribable
> Night")?..........................
> OK, the review had one statement that intrigued me:  "harks back to
> classical ideas ... the rest, well, it wouldn't be too difficult to imagine
> the orchestra on the Titanic playing it before the iceberg hit."

        Either that reviewer is a plagarizing hack or the review was for
Gavin Bryar's _Sinking of the Titanic_.  The classical album by the
minimalist composer was released about six months ago and was written
with exactly that idea in mind....a piece "the orchestra on the Titanic"
might have been playing "before the iceberg hit".

        David.

        P.S. To keep the blame in the correct place, did the iceberg hit
the Titanic or did the Titanic hit the iceberg?


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:51:12 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins Update from one of the horses' mouths...


This was posted a few days ago to the Cocteau Twins WWW Page by
Simon...

To all of you who take the time to write in and to Jack, of course, a
very big thank you! Since this home page started, we have been
valiantly trying to keep up with the responses to all your queries, but
now have the services of the very wonderful Nina Jackson who runs
the Cocteau Twins office.This should ensure a more efficient reply
service! To update eveyone on the latest news: well, the first EP,
called " Twinlights " will be released 18 September. It features 3 new
songs and a version of " Pink Orange Red ". They will not be
available anywhere else in this format. Six weeks later we'll be
releasing " Otherness ", another 4-track EP, with 2 new songs and
versions of " Feet Like Fins ", and " Cherry Coloured Funk ",
radically re-worked in a collaboration with Mark Clifford from
ambient group Seefeel.The album " Milk and Kisses " will be out
early next year.I've run out of space, so I'll send Jack more info as it
becomes pertinent!God bless, Simon XXX
Simon Raymonde
Cocteau Twins, USA - Thursday, August 24, 1995 at 02:30:00 (PDT)




--------

SO there it is...


Yours,

Michael
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:26:09 +0100
From: Jo Smo (asx022@COVENTRY.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, cz wrote:

> >At 4:00 PM 8/23/95, Jo Smo wro te:
> >>................Get a life !!!!! - enough said,
> >>                      Joski
>
>         Jens:
> >This is _exactly_ the kind of response to reviews that I (and many others
> >here) detest. Initialboy wrote a solid and reasoned review of the album,
> >albeit a negative one.
>
> Once we got rid of (reformed?) Beavis and Butthead we have had less "xxx
> sucks",  "xxx rules!" type comments and i like it that way!  Now is a
> perfect time to see reviews and discussion, with the flurry of thislisty
> albums comming out and only a limited budget (Lisa Gerard, Liquorice,
> Tarnation, Tindersticks, Heavenly Voices III).
>
> > I'd like to hear
> >why you think "The Mirror Pool" is so much better than I-Boy's review made
> >it out to be. I've considered buying it but haven't, I'm still making up my
> >mind, looking for opinions one way or the other.
>
> I just bought The Mirror Pool yesterday.  e had written a glowing review
> and initialboy wrote a dissapointing one.  After listening to the album
> twice and rereading the reviews i can see a kernal of truth in both.   The
> album is not groundbreaking--it's very DCDesque and innofensive as
> initialboy said but it's also thoroughly enjoyable.  I guess my greatest
> fear was that Lisa Gerard would float away with her wishywashiness and the
> album would lack the structure that it needs without Brendan.  It didn't.
> I've always thought (and said as much on this list) that DCD were more than
> a sum of their parts.  This may show through on The Mirror Pool but not as
> much as i thought it would.  So i guess i'll have to wait to hear Brendan's
> solo before i can judge.  I may have to eat my words.
>
>         But that picture on the front???!!!   A little too cheesy for me.
>
> >Bark Psychosis'... I'll listen to the track "Scum" over and over
> >(it's 25 minutes long so this isn't as obsessive as it may seem.) What
> >genius. Call me an old fart but this is what Pink Floyd might have become
> >if they'd managed to keep some of the spark of weirdness from their early
> >years.
>
>         Now, i'm not a Pink Floyd fan (though i love Syd Barrett), but i
> saw a tribute album to them put out by Cleopatra.  Actually picked it up
> because i thought it was a Legendary Pink Dots tribute (darn!).  But i saw
> that several bands that i like are on there (i can't exactly remember which
> ones other than Controlled Bleeding).  Can anyone comment on this album?
> Is it worth my hard earned money even though i don't like most of Pink
> Floyd?  Reply personally if you think this is too off-topic.
>
> -cz
>
> ___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___
>
> "The purpose of words is to convey ideas.  When the ideas are grasped the
> words are forgotten.  Where can I find a person who has forgotten words?
> There is the one I would like to talk to."     -Chuang Tzu
>
..........Why do people take things so seriously, do some people
in this group have no sense of humour? If you are an avid DCD fan like
myself I'm sure you would spend your hard earned dosh on this album whatever
the cost. Lisa Gerrard is one hell of a talented musician and I
personally would have no problem in purchasing anything that she brings
out, whether it's with DCD or not.

If you require some sort of pretentious review, try reading some of the
British musical press.

                      Be happy :)

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:35:33 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: a little goodie...


Here's some interesting junk from the used cd list.  Once again, send email to
the addresses under them, not me, I'm just being your friendly "used cd server"
filtering service.  Guess Lisa's CD is slow to grow on other people too.


Cranes                   CD         Shining Road [Promo - Bauer 7" mix]
         $2 ppd        22-Aug-1995 emorris@pacifier.com

Cranes                   CD         Tomorrows Tears cd5 [2000 only promo]
         $9 ppd        22-Aug-1995 emorris@pacifier.com

GALAXIE 500              CD         Here She Comes/Fourth of July CD5
         $7 ppd        22-Aug-1995 emorris@pacifier.com

Gerrard,Lisa                        The Mirror Pool
         $8            26-Aug-1995 blankgal@aztec.asu.edu

Led Zeppelin                        In Through The Out Door (remastered)
         $8.99 ppd     27-Aug-1995 luther@io.com
^^^^^
|||||
(these guys sound just like Medicine!  Check them out!)

Pale Saints                         Slow Buildings (stamped promo)
         $6 ppd.       21-Aug-1995 angst@psych.colorado.edu

Ratt                                Ratt & Roll 8191 (Greatest Hits)
         $7.00         23-Aug-1995 gmg@clark.net

Syd Barrett                         The Madcap Laughs
         $7.99 ppd     27-Aug-1995 luther@io.com
^^^^
||||
(the one with the original rendition of "Late Night" from TMC "Blood" for you
anal collectors)

Tarnation                           Gentle Creatures
         $5            26-Aug-1995 blankgal@aztec.asu.edu


That's it...go git 'em, Flash.  gek gek gek!


marvynHortman


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:17:23 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: gavinbryars/aphextwin


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, David Mccallum wrote:

>         Either that reviewer is a plagarizing hack or the review was for
> Gavin Bryar's _Sinking of the Titanic_.  The classical album by the
> minimalist composer was released about six months ago and was written
> with exactly that idea in mind....a piece "the orchestra on the Titanic"
> might have been playing "before the iceberg hit".

Well, the album was released six months ago, but the piece is almost 30
years old.  It's one of those ever changing musical pieces (or whatever).
Anyway, it's more of an ambient album than a classical one....kind of a
creepy one at that.  I won't say it's brilliant, but it is sort of disturbing
to be listening to it late at night, fall asleep, then wake up 45 minutes later
with the same creepy string melody playing.  It's like stopping time or
something just as sillysounding.

Anyway, what i'm really curious about is if anyone has heard _the raising
of the titantic_, which is essentially aphex twin remixes.  i've looked
for this but have never seen it.

well, if this isn't off topic i don't know what is.....

        .ontheedgeofreallygettingintoambient*shiver*........mark.

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:20:17 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine KELLI jOHN (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: for the detroit medicine admirers


  astrobrite, side project of scott cortez from lovesliescrushing,
  will be opening for medicine when they hit detroit...


  k  ...too much zima = NOT TWEE...

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:03:21 -0400
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Love Spirals East Coast


"With their debut album Idylls and its recent followup Ardor as the top two
selling titles in the history of the Projekt label, Love Spirals Downwards
have established themselves as leaders in the field of ethereal music. Their
long-anticipated East Coast tour may well be their last, according to sources
at their label."

In case you haven't already heard here are the tour dates, with labelmates
Lovesliescrusing performing with them at the latter two dates.

Boston- Thursday, August 31 at TT The Bear, 10 Brookline Street, Central Sq.,
(617)-492-BEAR
Philadelphia-Friday, September 1 at Asylum, 1517 N. Delaware Ave, (215)
427-1087
New York- Saturday, September 2 at Batcave, 251 W. 30'th between 7'th and
8'th.  (212)-695-2747

For more info, call the clubs directly or the Projekt info line at (818)
395-7698.  Also remember LSD will be performing in Los Angeles at the
Troubador on September 21.


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:12:17 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful noise fest 10/13+14/95


this is all great and dandy, but when will all the Beautiful Noise stars
hit the east coast?  i know half string played once but that's it...we
need you all over here too!!!!!!


lorelei

On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Brandon Capps wrote:

> On Friday October 13th and Saturday October 14th, the Hollywood Alley in
> Mesa, Arizona will host to a 2-day Beautiful Noise festival, titled "All
> Fish Go To Heaven...".  The event will feature some of the finest
> underground pop groups from the Western region of the United States.  The
> line up is as follows in order of appearance:
>
> fri.  10/13                   sat 10/14
> -----------------------------------------------------
> *am radio all star            *monte verdict stars
> *the introspection trio       *aberdeen
> *jupiter sun                  *dart
> *super 31                     *scenic
> *for against                  *the apples (in stereo)
> *half string                  *alison's halo
>
> A two-day pass will be the only form of admittance to this exclusive event
> and will be made available in advance via mailorder (p.o. box 1483 /
> tempe, az / 85289) and through two local record shops (stinkweeds in mesa
> and eastside in tempe).  For more information on the event or bands
> involved please contact Brandon Capps at the addresses below.
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>                            brandon capps
>                            p.o. box 1483
>                           tempe, az 85280
>                                u.s.a.
>                          bcapps@primenet.com
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>
>

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:30:14 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


>>  
        Jo Smo defended himself (or is Jo short for Josephine, in which case
it would be "defended herself"):
>..........Why do people take things so seriously, do some people
>in this group have no sense of humour? ...
>If you require some sort of pretentious review, try reading some of the
>British musical press.

        I, for one, would like this list to be an open forum for discussion
on music of common interest (otherwise known as "thislisty"). One liners and
attacks on character do not contribute anything to the other members of this
list.  No one is asking for "pretentious reviews" we just want you to tell
us WHY you think someone ought to "get a life."

-cz   ... i know i put that humour somewhere, now if only i could find it ...
                        ... uck!  black bile, wrong humour, i'll try again.


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:38:27 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???


>On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, cz wrote:
>>Has anyone heard this album (called  "Indescribable
>> Night")?..........................
>> OK, the review had one statement that intrigued me:  "harks back to
>> classical ideas ... the rest, well, it wouldn't be too difficult to imagine
>> the orchestra on the Titanic playing it before the iceberg hit."

        David replied:
>        Either that reviewer is a plagarizing hack or the review was for
>Gavin Bryar's _Sinking of the Titanic_.  The classical album by the
>minimalist composer was released about six months ago and was written
>with exactly that idea in mind....a piece "the orchestra on the Titanic"
>might have been playing "before the iceberg hit".

Nope, i'm sure it was the review for Kate St. John's new album in the latest
AP.  Now i don't have any respect for the reviewer at all.

>        P.S. To keep the blame in the correct place, did the iceberg hit
>the Titanic or did the Titanic hit the iceberg?

        Exactly what i was thinking.  In fact, i'm sure the music on the
titanic BEFORE they hit the iceberg was quite normal music for a gala event
of the time.  In any case that review has so many holes, it's sinking fast.
Did anyone out there buy this album?  (one last plea before i go down with
the ship)

-cz

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:00:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Tarnation UK release date?/Gerrard


Can anyone tell me the UK release-date for the Tarnation 'Gentle Creatures'
album. It isn't out yet, as far as I know.


Hey, and I found the following on the PIAS website. I don't think I've seen
this on the 4-ad list before:

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ++ + + + + + + + + + +
LISA GERRARD: THE MIRROR POOL

My name is Lisa Gerrard and it is out of a love of accuracy that I have chosen
to communicate directly to you about 'The Mirror Pool', my recently completed
solo project.

Let me begin with a brief history: For the past fifteen years I have worked
with
Brendan Perry under the title of 'Dead Can Dance' - a title chosen to describe
the process of creativity. Brendan and I have released eight albums, during the
making of which there is usually a surplus of work that overlaps the continuous
nature of a Dead Can Dance record. Some of these pieces, which were not
realized
for reasons of continuity, have been collected together in the form of largely
orchestral based works and pieces written primarily for 'voice' music. There
are
also acoustic pieces made up of Greek bouzouki, yang ch'in (Chinese dolcimer)
and live percussion including derabukkas, hand claps, camel drum, bass tablas,
Indian elephant bells, tambours, tambourines and finger cymbals. Alongside
these
works exist pieces created out of instrumental samples.
The orchestral music was composed by myself using a computer with orchestral
samples in my home studio. These parts were then translated into score form by
John Bonnar, who also conducted the recorded performance by the 'Victorian
Philharmonic Orchestra' at Eaton Studios in Melbourne, Australia. I performed
the vocal pieces live during the making of these recordings with the
orchestra.
The acoustic pieces, which I also composed, were recorded live in my home
studio, as were the smapled works and all the voice music.
Usually when work is reviewed there are references made to cultural influences.
In my case I have explored cultural expression as a means of freeing the spirit.
I have chosen the title 'The Mirror Pool' because it is suggestive of the
abstract properties that exist within the entity of music - the properties
being
those that permit reflection.

Lisa Gerrard, June 1995
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:47:38 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Wassup with this lusth list


>As someone on the Lush list said,

I sent a sub request to this damn starlust thing, and haven't received anything!

eric, wheat-free and sugar-free for your dining pleasure (I need to get out
of the food co-op!  Only three more days whooee!)


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:16:15 -0600
From: Elaun Laurene (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: mistakes one and two


Ok ok ok.  You want intelligent conversation about the content of said
works cough it up.  I don't see anything about composition here.
Frankly, if the work does not peak my interest I really don't care how
many samples were used on what effects processor through their Mac / midi
related equipment (and it doesn't take much intellegence to click a
mouse now does it). Now don't get me wrong.  There are some fabulous
creative, computer music composers out there - the Insides, for me,
weren't even close to one of them.  Works must take people somewhere.
_Euphoria_ takes me no where.

So, what was it about _Mine_ that turned you off?  You're as guilty as I
for lack of justification here.

Elaun

On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> 1. My attempt to have an intelligent discussion about artistic standards
>    with someone who cannot distinguish an artistic standard from a gut
>    reaction. (I thought labels like 4AD sprang up in the first place
>    because some of us were sick of music for the gut?)
>
>


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:16:00 EDT
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Medicine LP

              

>>And, yes, JAMC's Darklands is really disappointing.  I think the rough rule of
>>thumb is that every other JAMC album is bad.
>
>       This would mean that only "Psychocandy", "Automatic", and "Stoned &
>Dethroned" are good. Huh?? I don't see that at all.

Actually, I was counting Barbed Wire Kisses as an album, even though it's
really a collection of singles.  Note that my rule of thumb is rough.  Recently
it seems to fall apart.  But I stand by my opinion that Psychocandy and Barbed W
re
Kisses are good, while Darklands and Automatic are disappointing.  Honey's Dead
is OK, and I didn't buy Stoned & Dethroned so I can't offer an opinion.

Lawren
lwu@wi.mit.edu

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 16:07:19 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful noise fest 10/13+14/95


Sorry about the c-p.  Is anyone from the Madison, Milwaukee, hell, even
Twin Cities area considering going to this?  I and a friend may go (or I
may go by myself), but neither one of us has a car.  I'd be happy to assist
in paying expenses or whatnot.  If all else fails, though, I can take the
bus.

thanks,

eric, the mad poster

>On Friday October 13th and Saturday October 14th, the Hollywood Alley in
>Mesa, Arizona will host to a 2-day Beautiful Noise festival, titled "All
>Fish Go To Heaven...".  The event will feature some of the finest
>underground pop groups from the Western region of the United States.  The
>line up is as follows in order of appearance:


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:38:55 -0500
From: Fortunate Hazel (fhazel@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???


>        I've been eyeing Kate St. John's solo album since it came out.  BUT
>the money is so tight.  Has anyone heard this album (called  "Indescribable
>Night")?
>         I'd love to get opinions since the only thing i know is that she
>was in Dream Academy (which i liked at the time) and Channel Light Vessel
>(which i think is pretty cool--i'm a sucker for good artwork).

    she also turns up quite often on julian cope albums,
   playing things like cor anglais, ocarina, and oboe.  you can
   imagine how i'm picturing her solo album.

                                             -fh

    fhazel@mail.utexas.edification


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:39:03 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Kate St. John???


On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Fortunate Hazel wrote:
> >        I've been eyeing Kate St. John's solo album since it came out.
> >        I'd love to get opinions since the only thing i know is that she
> >was in Dream Academy (which i liked at the time) and Channel Light Vessel
> >(which i think is pretty cool--i'm a sucker for good artwork).
>
>     she also turns up quite often on julian cope albums,
>    playing things like cor anglais, ocarina, and oboe.  you can
>    imagine how i'm picturing her solo album.

        She plays a wonderfully sad oboe on one of the few worthwhile tracks on
Electronic's debut album, a track called "Some Distant Memory".

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:29:41 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


Jo Smo wrote:
>..........Why do people take things so seriously, do some people
>in this group have no sense of humour?

Jo, the moment you say something amusing we'll have a good laugh together.
The point of what I said before was that one-line replies dissing someone's
review are not funny, informative or useful. I defend my right to be
annoyed by some newbie trashing a well-written and informative review by a
regular poster.

>Lisa Gerrard is one hell of a talented musician and I
>personally would have no problem in purchasing anything that she brings
>out, whether it's with DCD or not.

Come on now, if the history of pop music has taught us anything it's that
someone who seems like an talented and creative god[dess] one day can turn
around and release an album of utter crap the next. There are plenty of
examples on 4AD, from Black Francis to Kim Deal to the Cocteau Twins to the
Wolfgang Press. Off the label, the recent examples of Medicine and
Swervedriver come to mind.


Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:44:12 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: lisa


no, this is not about the mirror pool (thank goodness.)

I'm hoping someone can answer a simple question that was probably
discussed when i was in high school or something.  I heard the first lisa
germano album was first available from capitol, and then was rereleased
on 4ad.  But the capitol release is the one to get because 4ad remixed it
all and the original version is better.  is that right?  and how hard is
it to find?

sorry for such a light topic.

aaron


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:56:48 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: NON-SCAN: Charlatans Discography


The new version (v1.0) of the Charlatans Discography is ready
finally. If you'd like a copy please e-mail me (chief@lysator.liu.se)
or check ftp.uwp.edu /incoming/discog/ for charlatans_v1.0.

I've made a distribution list for the discography, for those
who want updates mailed to them when they're ready. If you
want to be on that list, let me know.

 Take care,
 //Erik

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 23:45:26 -0400
From: Laura Johnson (ljohnson@HUSC.HARVARD.EDU)
Subject: ignore me


test


Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:15:24 +0930
From: Benita Wheeler (9503603D@MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU)
Subject: GREETINGS


Hello (or should I say G'day) to all the 4AD-L people.
I'm a first year uni student from Australia who has just the other day
joined the list. Living where I do I haven't heard of andy of the bands you
guys are talking about. In any case, reading your conversations has been
entertaining to say the least. I did see a message from Donald also in this
great south land, so I'm glad I'm not the only one. Hey Donald - are you a
Triple J listener?
        Benita

Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:05:03 -0400
From: Laura Johnson (ljohnson@HUSC.HARVARD.EDU)
Subject: Bored With Usenet/New to List; Dif Juz


Hi all.  I've been lurking for a bit.  Just wanted to introduce myself,
say hi and ask a question.  I came to this group because of my *undying*
love for ct and lush, along with Vaughan Oliver and crew.  Usenet has
become so tiresome and redundant that I thought it time to give the list a
whirl.

          recently pulled out that old _Lonely is an Eyesore_ comp, and
          that prompted me to go out and buy their _Extractions_ disc,
          which I've quickly grown accustomed to.  Whatever became of
          them?

Thanks in advance,

--->lbj