Subject: Sorta this-listy (please???)
Subject: ct's tiny dynamine/echoes...
Subject: New Medicine LP
Subject: Re: A new list
Subject: jOHN yOU aRE aN aSS!
Subject: Re: Bowery Electric (and Kranky, too!)
Subject: Re: jOHN yOU aRE aN aSS!
Subject: and to make up for that last note
Subject: New Too Pure releases
Subject: Medicine, Swoivedriver, et. al.
Subject: Insides, where are they now? (was : DEM'S FIGHTING WORDS)
Subject: UK 4ad cd promotion(s)
Subject: mojave/tarnation
Subject: Re: jOHN yOU aRE aN aSS!
Subject: verve's northern soul, gene
Subject: mojave...how soon is now?
Subject: Re: mojave/tarnation
Subject: Tarnation Reddenbacher
Subject: Tarnation?
Subject: Re: Tarnation Reddenbacher
Subject: buy 'n' sniff
Subject: ESP question
Subject: beautiful noise fest 10/13+14/95
Subject: Re: New Medicine LP
Subject: Re: jOHN yOU aRE aN aSS!
Subject: Re: Tarnation Reddenbacher
Subject: Re: New Medicine LP
Subject: Not Too Pure, but could be..
Subject: Re: Faith & Disease (tour dates)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:15:59 CST
Sorry if this got posted multiple times, but I'm working with Sony's "My
First Modem," here. Besides, isn't it better than those unsub messages?
Ok, first the attempt to make this appropriate. . .The concert I went to
tonite had a band that used commercial-type excerpts between their songs.
St. Etienne did the same thing on their "So Tough" LP. St. Etienne remixed
the Boo Radleys' "Rodney King," which Meriel from Pale Saints appears on.
Ok, still with me?
Anyway, I went to an industrial concert tonight (I listen to it once and
awhile because it's hard to dance to Pale Saints and Slowdive -- and no, I
didn't mosh). I wanted to shamelessly plug a band from my hometown (La
Crosse, WI) called 0 Dark: 30. They're currently touring and going to
cities like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, New York, Montreal, and other NE
delights. They have sort of a harder Xymox-ish feel about them.
Well, my point is, the show is cheap, so go see them. They're touring with anot
er
band called Zia, which I'm told is better than the bands they played with
tonight.
Now, a complaint. 0 Dark was the only one of the so-called industrial bands
tonight that used keyboards. The other three (Virus 23 -- who dare call
themselves V23, Gromet, and Black Metal Box) all used recordings, and thus
demonstrated a lack of talent, creative vision, or some artsy thing like
that.
Now, if you're still with me. . .How rare is . . .And Dog Bones Too? I
picked it up for $7 (Yes, at the same store where I got "The Curse" for 10).
Is there anywhere else I could find this CD for cheap???
And if you didn't like my ranting about industrial music (trust me, it
doesn't happen often), "IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY, SO WHY DON'T YOU USE IT,
YOU LITTLE BONEHEAD ARTSY RIOTGRRL?" :)
bye,
eric
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:28:20 -0700
hiya. i just paid $9.99 for this used. did i just get ripped off??? i'm
still rather new at this 4ad thing, and haven't figured out how much
things are worth yet. went to a record show today and saw the "no balls"
sampler for $4 (used), and an autographed copy of the vaughn oliver
artwork book up for bidding. (wow...the guy selling it allowed me to
touch it....) thanks in advance for any info. :)
--candice
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 02:24:01 -0700
Hey kids,
Yesterday I bought the new Medicine album.
One word... Pathetic.
What happened? Since when was it cool to put out mediocre pop?
It's not even catchy...
Hard to believe I'm listening to the same band who gave us the brilliant
SHOT FORTH SELF LIVING. Brad should stop listening to VH-1.
ANyone want to buy a slightly used MEDICINE cd? Real cheap... 2 bucks or
something...
And while I'm here, I also got ripped off (again) when I bought JAMC's
DARKLANDS ep on CD for 5 bucks... I know what yr thinking. I thought it
was a good deal too (seeing as how I've never ever seen it on disc
before), until I put it in, and discovered some homey barry manilow shit.
Sometimes you just can't win. Anyone heard the new SWERVEDRIVER?
-jOHN playing DOOM every free second
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:20:32 -0300
On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Julian Stewart wrote:
> I'm still planning a new mailing list; the technical
> details have been worked out, but things are currently
> stuck in the conceptual stage-- I'm hoping to create
> something with a decent shelf life.
>
> This is _not_ meant to be in "competition" with
> 4AD-L; that would be an utterly pointless and futile
> exercise, as 1) The list is rather DIY, with minimal
> automation, and I would never be able to keep up with
> the amount of subscribers that 4AD-L supports and
> 2) 4AD-L already caters to 4AD-type discussion.
> I'm more interested in creating a list for the "other"
> music I'm into.
>
> I'll post details once I have everything worked out...
> it will take a bit of time, as I'm quite busy
> preparing for my move back to California (yay!!!).
>
> If anyone has any ideas, suggestions, flames, etc.,
> feel free to send them to me.
>
> -julian-
>
> --
> Julian Stewart
> [email protected]
>
Which kind of groups? Tindersticks? GBV? FSA?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 03:21:08 -0700
You know what? I was going to send this to you personally but I am so
fucking embarrassed by that Darklands comment I have to vent my negative
opinions to the entire mailing list...
bTW, welcome, to Calif. :)
> Hey kids,
> Yesterday I bought the new Medicine album.
> One word... Pathetic.
Ouch. I can't believe I'm reading this. :(
> And while I'm here, I also got ripped off (again) when I bought JAMC's
> DARKLANDS ep on CD for 5 bucks... I know what yr thinking. I thought it
> was a good deal too (seeing as how I've never ever seen it on disc
> before), until I put it in, and discovered some homey barry manilow shit.
Lame lame lame lame lame!!! You are SO LAME!!!! Darklands is FUCKING
BRILLIANT! It is a masterpiece! What the hell is wrong with you d00d? You
are spending too much time listening to "good" Medicine records or
something, that's what's wrong. Give it another listen braw, it is a
MASTERPIECE.
> Sometimes you just can't win. Anyone heard the new SWERVEDRIVER?
One word: SUCKS. I bought the new single and thought it was some kind of
a joke. Two mediocre songs, kind of ok, a third song which was absolute
trash, and a fourth song which was pretty nice. I heard but did not, nay
could not, buy the album, recently, the first two or three tracks, and
think they have become very elitist and lame and lost sight of rock and
roll, thinking instead of their guitars as big art wangs. They are lame
now, my impression of the album is that it is elitist artsy crap and
probably sucks all the way through. Too bad because the artwork is way
cool. Maybe I am wrong and will like it when I can finally buy a copy.
But for now it SUCKS.
> -jOHN playing DOOM every free second
You won't get past Doom II level 5. It is insane. The scaryest shit I
ever experienced. I mean it is so nerve racking I couldn't make myself
finish it. It is goddam insane. What level are you on??
e, scheerslayer, bringing the 4ad-l to yet another new low
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 02:57:06 -0700
> Dadamah. And everyone sings hosannahs about Labradford and Jessamine.
Hah! That sounds so funny! I can just picture it in my little head.
> PS. On the subject of marginally thislisty (and that's a stretch) bands,
> does anyone know whatever happened with the now-defunct Dog Faced Hermans?
> Are any of them still making music?
>
>From what I've heard (from kelli), The band is on an extended hiatus.
Too bad. Where can I get the early project A-bomb stuff? What am I
missing other than:
-Mental blocks for all ages
-hum of life
-those deep buds
-bump and swing
?????????????
I know that there is an album called EVERYDAY TIME BOMB, and according to
Jeremy Orr (who I met this summer) another one whose title has yet to be
found. Someone help.
And while I'm at it, I need some friendly advice...
What would you kids recommend along the lines of DFH, Disco Inferno and
Pram??? I need new stuff.
-jOHN holding my breath for FORETEEN (yikes, it hurts!!!)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 03:59:05 -0700
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
> You know what? I was going to send this to you personally but I am so
> fucking embarrassed by that Darklands comment I have to vent my negative
> opinions to the entire mailing list...
>
> bTW, welcome, to Calif. :)
Thanks.
>
> > Hey kids,
> > Yesterday I bought the new Medicine album.
> > One word... Pathetic.
>
> Ouch. I can't believe I'm reading this. :(
>
I couldn't belive I was listening to it. DOORS came up a few times...
> > And while I'm here, I also got ripped off (again) when I bought JAMC's
> > DARKLANDS ep on CD for 5 bucks... I know what yr thinking. I thought it
> > was a good deal too (seeing as how I've never ever seen it on disc
> > before), until I put it in, and discovered some homey barry manilow shit.
>
> Lame lame lame lame lame!!! You are SO LAME!!!! Darklands is FUCKING
> BRILLIANT! It is a masterpiece! What the hell is wrong with you d00d? You
> are spending too much time listening to "good" Medicine records or
> something, that's what's wrong. Give it another listen braw, it is a
> MASTERPIECE.
>
E, you damn idiot squared! Get this... I go to Arons in LA. Look over
the used section. Find a CD-5 (read EP) called "DARKLANDS EP". 4 Songs:
1.Darklands
2.Rider
3.Here it comes again
4.on the wall (porta studio demo)
Cover is an exerpt from one of the videos. Have seen this beauty on
vinyl only... know that it's rare. Freak out over the low 5 dollar price.
Go home, play it after listening to said MEDICINE trash, only to discover
that it's not a JAMC recording... But a misprint of some nasty-ass homey
barry manilow bull friggin shit... Stuff I wouldn't clean up vomit with.
NOT the brilliant JAMC songs that are listed on the sleeve... Of course I
know that the darklands ep is brilliant, thats why I paid 5ive bucks for
4 songs I already have (Darklands LP, Barbed Wire Kisses)... And No duh,
Darklands is an absolute masterpiece that has withstood the test of time.
So Nah-nah to you... yr so mean at 3:00 AM!
> > Sometimes you just can't win. Anyone heard the new SWERVEDRIVER?
>
> One word: SUCKS. I bought the new single and thought it was some kind of
> a joke. Two mediocre songs, kind of ok, a third song which was absolute
> trash, and a fourth song which was pretty nice. I heard but did not, nay
> could not, buy the album, recently, the first two or three tracks, and
> think they have become very elitist and lame and lost sight of rock and
> roll, thinking instead of their guitars as big art wangs. They are lame
> now, my impression of the album is that it is elitist artsy crap and
> probably sucks all the way through. Too bad because the artwork is way
> cool. Maybe I am wrong and will like it when I can finally buy a copy.
> But for now it SUCKS.
>
I also purchased the single. I rather like it. Actually, I lke 2 songs.
But I can see where yr coming from, because it just isn't the same. I'm
hoping to find it somewhere out here tomorrow... I'll let you know how it
is once I shell out my 22 bucks. I should just skip it and get the
limited glow in the dark SPIRITUALIZED PURE PHASE i saw yesterday.
Tell me about Labradford and Jessamine... I've been putting off these two
bands forever. Now I'm hungry to hear them.
> > -jOHN playing DOOM every free second
>
> You won't get past Doom II level 5. It is insane. The scaryest shit I
> ever experienced. I mean it is so nerve racking I couldn't make myself
> finish it. It is goddam insane. What level are you on??
>
Ok. I'm only on level 3, or something... The only reason I can't get
past it is because Kelli's dad rigged the computer to an amp and 3
speakers... You can hear the damn gunshots from the road... The whole
house shakes when you use the plasma cannon or the double barrel
shotgun... And everytime some monster pops out of somewhere, it makes
such a bloodcurling racket that I nearly send myself flyng back to
Pennsylvania via fright power.
>
> e, scheerslayer, bringing the 4ad-l to yet another new low >
And you haven't even heard Tarnation... Or have you?
Simply awful. Really... Makes Medicine look DAMN good.
Whats with this steady stream of shit these record companies and their
poor excuse for talent keep throwing at us? Nothing but garbage.
Where's my 4-track at Granny?
-jOHN unjustly accused by the enemy of the people
hot damn!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:44:19 -0700
Nothing gets me truckin like a little guilt. :)
Mojave - Ask Me Tomorrow
------------------------
1. Love Songs on the Radio
2. Sarah
3. Tomorrow's Taken
4. Candle Song 3
5. You're Beautiful
6. Where Is the Love
7. After All
8. Pictures
9. Mercy
It may be true that nothing can beat Pygmalion--in fact I'll give it away
and confirm that fact: nothing can beat Pygmalion. But this is one hell
of a country and western album. We start with the infamous track everyone
wanted the new comp for, even though you all pretended you cared about
Scheer and Tarnation. Love Songs on the Radio's intoxicating quality does
not suffer with age from diminishing returns. It remains the closest
thing to sex in a bottle this side of the 5ep, those strums carrying you
along, Rachel more prominent than ever before, the bendy guitar like
nothing you have ever heard before. It is bore beautiful than any Simon
Bonney, Nick Cave, Red House Painters, or The Moon Seven Times (well,
there are some DAMNED good M7x songs on 7=49) that come to mind. The
songs lingers and lingers and then ends, and we start slowly into Sarah.
Now we have piano, generous and full but not stealing the show. The
percussion on this album is largely brushed snare, very nice with classy
cymbals all over, the beats commanding some but not all of your
attention. jOHN unfortunately will HATE this album since I am about to
compare it to the brilliant DARKLANDS. Not really, but it has some of
those same nice qualities. Sarah is soft and sweet and innocent and
short, a sad little Neil lament, before begins Tomorrow's Taken, a
fucking work of art. It is SO goddam great. Rachel again, her voice
deeper, full and sexy. Rhythmic piano and more of those gorgeous bendy
guitars. The harmonies come in and the song is just heaven. We are
moving fast now, faster than you might expect. The singing becomes
sadder, more pensive, and the song cuts off, slowing to a long epilogue
with a stunning, subdued cello melody. Here as in other places on the
album, we hear Neil singing near the back of the room as if was not meant
to show up on the recording, or even is a ghost. The epilogue goes
further and then winds down. I think this may be the best song on the
album.
No, this is. Candle Song 3. Gentler than the previous tracks, and a
genuine duet between Neil and Rachel. Ivo Lorelei's disinterest in the
harmonies on this album are, I'm sorry, DEAD WRONG. The vocal harmonies
on this album blow the M7x and their rubber duck out of the bathtub. This
is the best duet I can remember. We are moving slowly through this
genuinely heartbreaking song with a sweet guitar melody plucking back and
forth. Then the harmonies pick up, the percussion becomes more
interesting, and the song goes full rhapsody. Still slow, but so rich and
with such power. There is nothing like this album anywhere. Neil and
Rachel are out in full force, hiding nothing. We begin You're Beautiful,
just Neil with delicate, complex picking. This record has an amazing flow
to it. The cello comes in. Rachel comes in. The song retains its modest
tone, dipping into interludes and back out, then ends peacefully. Where
Is the Love starts in another full duet, piano and strum. The songs on
this album are so basic and simple, so frequently returning to the tonic,
but so original and pretty and pure, traveling between sections with
such confidence. The chemistry between Neil and Rachel is different here;
more anguished, they resonate strangely. The effect throws you off; the
song seems almost carelessly put together, but it is at the same time
lively and healthy.
After All has Neil almost alone again with his guitar, the piano winding
behind secretively, then full instrumentation comes in, including the
cello. Neil is becoming more emotional as we near the end of the album.
Guitar picking drops through like a subtler Sundays moment. Rachel again
accompanies him, though Neil continues to dominate the song. I feel for
him on this track. He is very convincing, all the more so because he
seems not only to be speaking for himself, but for us all. When he has
said his piece the song vanishes. Pictures begins with another very
pretty picked melodies. Some of you may be shocked but I saw it coming:
Neil Halstead has turned into James Taylor! He really kind of sounds like
him here. The harmonies are gorgeous on this track, the pickings tricking
us to stumble into unexpected chords. This song is also unique in that he
is harmonizing with himself--something he does quite beautifully and
should probably do more often. The song draws to a slow close, as classy
as ever, then bangs in Mercy, slow and quiet at first, but this is the
make no mistake about it end of the album song, as it should be. Already
it vibrates with some kind of power. It is the harder edge to the snare,
perhaps. And to the strum. it is more raw. Neil sings alone and is joined
by Rachel. Blammo, anthem time. Tonic, tonic, tonic. We even have some
distorted guitar here. It's goddam great. It's so simple and so perfect
and it just sweeps you away with it...but wait, chill, we have some
business to take care of. Nice slow bits here and there. This is one heck
of a little story they're hinting at. Always hinting. The power of the
song is unleashed, all class and restraint but such power and passion. As
perfect an ending as was the beginning.
I apologize for the plodding song-by-song rundown of the album but
thought as much specific information as possible might interest a lot of
people as this record seems to be the source of a lot of anxiousness, as
it should be. :) Trust me, you will NOT be disappointed, and if you are,
then you are HOPELESS! The album comes out October 17.
Sorry if the track listings annoy anyone but I like it when people post
that stuff. :)
Tarnation - Gentle Creatures
----------------------------
1. Game of Broken Hearts
2. Halfway to Madness
3. The Well
4. Big O Motel
5. Tell Me It's Not So
6. Two Wrongs Don't Make Things Right
7. Lonely Lights
8. Gentle Creatures
9. Listen to the Wind
10. The Hand
11. Do You Fancy Me
12. Yellow Birds
13. Burn Again
14. Stranger in the Mirror
15. It's Not Easy
I was wrong about this band, largely. Remember when your parents or
someone made you listen to their shitty country records and you thought,
"Why is this so damned happy sounding? Why are the lyrics so fucking
shallow??" You wanted the song to be genuinely pretty and sad, but it was
cheezy and uncompelling. THIS, my friends, is the album you always wanted
your lame parents to make you listen to INSTEAD. I reject the David Lynch
comments as David Lynch draws his material from established camp staples
and never tried to create something genuinely moving or beautiful in his
life. His work is poisoned by self-parody and hatred for good art and
culture. Tarnation is not a joke. There are many influences here, but I
think they are serious. They are used for serious purposes. Tarnation are
a band that knows what works and has decided that certain classic
elements should not be written off simply because they are old or
overused. The steel guitar and country style are here, the Patsy Cline
(no i cannot spell her name) vocals, but at the same time you have some
thoroughly modern guitar picking and cool strum, HONESTLY cool, not
stupid and campy! You people do not get it! Just as you mistake kitsch for
good camp, you mistake brilliant art for silliness. HERE, is BRILLIANT
ART. Well, not really but it is a dark and mostly beautiful and moving
album with definite purpose, based in realism--not surrealism--and
achieving that purpose very effectively if you can meet it at the level
on which it actually operates. The song off the sampler no longer
irritates me in the context of this album. The album DOES have a context
and it works, and there are some breathtaking songs on here: Game of
Broken Hearts and Lonely Lights especially. Two Wrongs Won't Make Things
Right is also very effective, with a classy guitar solo. OTOH, this album
has its problem, mainly the vocals of one Michelle Cernuto and one
Lincoln Allen. Get these people the hell away from the mic! For God's
sake, what are you doing!? The entire album is beautiful and magical and
deep and serious, and then they let these two fucking JOKERS, IDIOTS, to
the front of the stage and COMPLETELY RUIN IT! Thank GOD for programmable
CD players. UGH. The rest of the album is sung by one Paula Frazer who
has one hell of a gorgeous voice and knows exactly what the hell to do
with it. Lonely Lights is just her and a guitar in Warren Defever's
basement and let me tell you THAT is where the future of this band ought
to be. Lincoln and Michelle may well contribute to the great songwriting
here and there...but well, I have made my point. I am happy--nay,
enchanted--damned enchanted!--with this album, but these little earsores
really, really fuck it up for me. They ruin the album. Somebody better
get with the program cut out those two wankers' vocal cords! Let me
reiterate that this album is worth buying for the artwork alone, or at
least worth telling other people to buy for the artwork alone if you
think the album is great anyway. :) It's not as pretty as King maybe, but
i *really* like the King artwork.
Air Miami - me. me. me.
-----------------------
1. I Hate Milk
2. World Cup Fever
3. Seabird
4. Special Angel
5. Afternoon Train
6. Dolphin Expressway
7. Sweet as a Candybar
8. You Sweet Little Heartbreaker
9. Neely
10. Bubble Shield
11. Event Horizon
12. Definitely Beachy
13. Reprise
Yes! Yes! Yes! Air Miami kick ass! Who would have known that members of
Unrest were capable of writing real songs? You Unrest people...bleagh. I
know you all think Air Miami suck: I think they ROCK. All the cool shit
you got with Unrest, plus real songs, cool songs, pretty songs, attitude,
fun songs, new wave songs, party songs, more attitude, and no stupid test
tones or the same chord strumming over and over for 40 minutes. Thirteen
songs, a generous helping, but a little too short considering what a
fun, cool ride it is. Better yet, they really have put work into this.
You can tell that even in its less serious moments care has been taken
with the mix and writing and vocal nuances.
Okay, a quick run through of the songs: I Hate Milk, an evil little pop
song that rocks. World Cup Fever, the mysterious lost Dead or Alive song!
names anymore.) Lots of pretty sevenths. Borderline brilliant. Did I
mention this album has a cool cover? :) Special Angel, a pretty duet,
sad, psychedelic and cute. (Why did I completely ignore it the first four
times I listened to this?) Unrest fans, beware! Here comes more great
songwriting! Actually, in this very song: bonus great songwriting, but
just wait for the next song. :) Have you ever seen so many smileys in one
review?? :) Are you not convinced to avoid this album at all costs?? :)
Afternoon Train, more of the girl, more pretty sevenths, tacky drum
machine which you i LOVE. :) Dolphin Expressway, which I already said I
loved, great stuff. Sweet as a Candybar, sounds like a bad Bauhaus demo
with Stereolab Chyck singing over it, confused by bad acid--stupid but
short and worth the trouble. You Sweet Little Heartbreaker, a rock song,
bang bang bang, punky and fun, silly. Neely, very Unresty but with real
music, hehehe, surf music with cursing. Even when Air Miami are stupid
and lame, they are much cooler than Unrest. :)
Bubble Shield, a classic, best song on the album, extremely pretty,
beautiful in fact. The Event Horizon, also very pretty but corny and
creepy in a seventies way, or a Lush way? I can't tell. Definitely
Beachy, kind of like a good Unrest song but with structure and high and
low points, nice mellow atmosphere to it. Reprise, just a cute, nice
instrumental, very effectively sad. I never was going to give this band a
chance but all you Unrest fans hated them so much I thought I would give
them a try and now aren't you sorry! Air Miami have a champion and
apologist and YOU have created him! Muahahahaha.
Facing the Wrong Way
--------------------
Nothing much to say about this since it is a piece of SHIT and almost
exactly the same as the piece of SHIT us lousy Americans got. The artwork
is a little prettier, but prettier than what? Actually I am being hard on
it because I thought it contained a new Throwing Muses song and it does
not. Here is what it does contain: good news, and bad news. The Scheer
song is good, relatively speaking. Not great, but a fitting replacement
for Belly at this point. I'm serious about that. It's about mid-level
King material, and if the whole album is this good I will buy it and
enjoy it (or get a free copy and enjoy it, hehehe). The singer is kind of
cute. I kind of dig on her voice. I can't place the quality but she
reminds me of someone. More good news, or at least interesting: Love
Songs on the Radio was written by Neil Halstead. I was kind of wondering
who was writing the new stuff and I guess it's Neil so that's cool, but
kind of weird. Heidi Berry song is crap, but who cares. :) The law of
Heidi Berry: for two minutes she's the cat's meow, then she's barf on a
stick. Yuck. That leaves the Kim Deal song, The Amps or whatever, which
is AWFUL. It sounds like Jefferson Airplane listened to too much Nine
Inch Nails and then had a bad trip and came onstage after Jimi Hendrix
and felt they needed to one up on him. I have heard my share of demos,
and this one is right up there with those Metallica demos they included
on b-sides from the singles for the last album. I mean I have not have
friends whose demos were this poor. It is a careless, worthless piece of
shit and she should be hanged for it, and I mean that. After listening to
this once I was genuinely offended. On second listen, I now am on the
verge of seriously hating Kim Deal. What the hell happened? Basement 4
track version my ass. This couldn't have been recorded on a medium
quality walkman. I hate to end on a sad note, but there it is: the fall
of Kim Deal, unless you know something I don't know. But I probably don't
care either. :( In closing, so that it is a happy closing, I want to say
that I have finally almost fully acquainted myself with the second
Autechre album and think that is it a true masterpiece of the genre up
there with Selected Ambient Works Volume II, Bytes, Orbital 2, Virtual
State, and 5ep...and I don't even like it as much as I am going to yet.
So Mr. Norman, if you are out there, you were right, and I do stand
corrected. :)
Wow, this is quite a long message. Sorry! Haha. Actually they are only
going to get longer and longer so hold on to your hats boys and girls. Oh
yes--and don't see Waterworld, it sucks! I finally found that out. hehehe
einexile, truly an enemy of the people
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:34:57 BST
...whilst I am in both a de-lurking and shameless promotional
mood, I'd like to mention a couple of new Too Pure releases in
the UK...
MOUSE ON MARS - IAORA TAHITI - PURE 48 (out now)
PRAM - SARGASSO SEA - PURE 46 (out 4th September)
--
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:23:22 -0400
Saw the new album at the store the other day. Almost picked it up until I
noticed that a certain Eddie Offord [sp?] had co-produced the album. At
which point I started having all sorts of flashbacks involving a bunch of Yes
albums (Eddie had produced 'Close to the Edge' and 'Fragile' - two Yes
records that were mighty fine back in the heady daze of high school, but
something I wouldn't touch with a barge pole nowadays...), and anyway, I
ended up putting the cd back in the racks and ran out of the store screaming.
A coupla days later I ask a friend of mine who is a pretty devoted Medicine
fan, and he informs me that the new album is more or less a low-impact pop
record. Sigh. As much as I liked the last Boo Radleys record, I don't have
the patience to witness any more noisypop bands disown the noise in favor of
pop.
But then again, if I can get my hands on a copy for real cheap, I'd at least
give it a listen. Nonetheless, sometimes I wonder if I'll ever witness
Medicine (or anyone else as it goes) reattain or surpass the bombastic beauty
that was 'Shot Forth Self Living'.
***
Another band that had one really great first album and went subsequently
downhill (in my book at least, as nothing after 'Raise' managed to keep my
attention for more than a minute at best).
But anyhow, e, would you please elaborate on the "elitist artsy crap"
description? This has piqued my interest. :)
***
>And everytime some monster pops out of somewhere, it makes
>such a bloodcurling racket that I nearly send myself flyng back to
>Pennsylvania via fright power.
Uh, jOHN, you sure this isn't intentional on the part of Kelli's dad? :) :)
:)
Nonetheless, playing Doom with sound adds a whole new dimension to it.
However, try playing Doom on a turbulence-plagued airplane. Amazing what a
little added motion will do for your adrenaline level.
Cheers,
hk
[insert endorsement for 'Desperado' here]
--
"Dirty Duds Done Dirt Cheap"
- sign outside a local laundromat
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:41:21 BST
digest processor on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:00:34 -0400)
Lars wanted to know:
> But what I wanted to ask - does anybody know what those zany Insides
> people are doing now?
Since no-one else has answered yet as far as I know:
There's an Insides demo given a pretty excited release in the Singles
column of the latest (August 26) "Melody Maker". The two tracks are
called "Blue Nimbus" and "Blueswailing", the review seems to suggest
it's more like "Euphoria" than "Clear Skin", and ends with "If this
doesn't get a release, I'll put it out on my own f***ing label."
I can't understand why 4AD dropped this band. I really, really can't.
The review is of a demo casette the reviewer got through the post
without any covering information, so whether or not someone has signed
them up is unclear.
(Well, it's nice to be back, finally. I got lost in the move to
american.edu and it's taken me this long to get resubscribed!)
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:25:16 BST
Sorry if this information has been posted before,
but I just can't be bothered to wade through two weeks
of digests right now...from September's WIRE magazine, page 9:
"Facing the wrong way" selections from current and forthcoming
albums on 4AD:
1 Take You Anywhere, Scheer
2 Snakeface, Throwing Muses
3 Summer dress, Red House Painters
4 The Well, Tarnation
5 You sweet little heartbreaker, Air Miami
6 Love songs on the radio, Mojave
7 Super-Connected, Belly
8 Christianity (wicked Man Remix), The Wolfgang press
9 Miracle (New Version), Heidi Berry
10 Sanvean, Lisa Gerrard
11 Cheap Cuts, Liquorice
12 Valley Of The Morning Sun, Kendra Smith
13 Empty Glasses (Kim's Basement 4 track version), The Amps
Yours FREE when you buy ANY CD released by 4AD or Guernica from Virgin
Megastore or the Chain with No Name while stocks last. Offer includes
CD's by The Breeders, Belly, Pixies, Cocteau Twins, The Wolfgang
Press, Red House Painters, Heidi Berry, Dead Can Dance, Throwiong
Muses, The Birthday Party, This Mortal COil, Pale Saints, Lush, Bettie
Serveert and Lisa Gerrard. All available at a reduced price for a
limited period. Available from 28th August 1995.
The artwork for the ad seems to be a full-frontal shot of a
bundle of green beans! The V23 "Vegetable" series continues...
On the back cover of the magazine is a Virgin Megastore ad for the new
Lisa Gerrard album. Apparently one can obtain a free poster with each
copy of the CD or cassette purcahsed. It also states that "Lisa
Gerrard plays the union chapel, london on the 1st october".
Unfortunately there's no Virgin megastore here in Oxford yet, but one
is opening up soon. On the front of the soon-to-be store at the moment
are billboard posters stating:
Yes!
YES!
Y E S ! !
We're coming!
--
Cheers,
David Thorpe, Oxford, UK.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:06:38 -0600
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
> Mojave - Ask Me Tomorrow
> I apologize for the plodding song-by-song rundown of the album but
> thought as much specific information as possible might interest a lot of
> people as this record seems to be the source of a lot of anxiousness, as
> it should be. :) Trust me, you will NOT be disappointed, and if you are,
> then you are HOPELESS! The album comes out October 17.
thanks e., your work is well appreciated. now i have to wait, good lord.....
maybe i can wheezle an advance cassette out of the 4ad record rep.
oooo...i hope so!
> Tarnation - Gentle Creatures
> I reject the David Lynch
> comments as David Lynch draws his material from established camp staples
> and never tried to create something genuinely moving or beautiful in his
> life. His work is poisoned by self-parody and hatred for good art and
> culture.
okay, i'll give you that one. but can i at least hold on to my dusty
road movie theory??? actually, i've decided that nothing i've ever seen
before could capture what goes on in my head when i listen to this record
so i'm going to write my own goddam film......:)
> Tarnation is not a joke.
no, it is not. i have to agree with e. here. it would have been easy to
reject this record...i'm sure i almost did. but it's beautiful. it may
be simple and use a few country cliches, but it's also honest and
genuinely moving. paula's voice on 'game of broken hearts' and 'big O
motel' and others is absolutely incredible.....ghostly,
nostalgic....reaching out from another place and drawing you in.
let me say this again.....i love this record! it's not campy or funny to
me....i think i can see why ivo would sign this band. it seems that
there is some insight in him yet.....well......MAYBE.
> OTOH, this album
> has its problem, mainly the vocals of one Michelle Cernuto and one
> Lincoln Allen. Get these people the hell away from the mic! For God's
> sake, what are you doing!?
indeed! slaughter them! :) and the theory about them contributing to
the great song writing is pretty empty because it seems that paula wrote
all the songs except for 'burn again' (which michelle wrote) and
'stranger in the mirror' (which was written by the other terrible singer guy)
> Lonely Lights is just her and a guitar in Warren Defever's
> basement and let me tell you THAT is where the future of this band ought
> to be.
yesyesyes!!! does anyone else get the feeling that warren tried to
really screw with this record but tarnation rejected. those little
scratchy bits that show up at the end of a few songs make me think that
warren would have made the whole thing sound like that if they had let him.
(not that i want the record any different....except to get rid of those
wretched singers.....)
so there you go, tarnation has 2, count 'em, 2 fans on 4ad-l.
nyaaa-nyaaaaaaa!
.mark.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:02:57 -0700
One word, e.... RIDDLIN. :)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:05:30 -0400
hello
ive had adequate time to listen (and love) the new verve album...(which i
know,...is not so new anymore)...regardlessly it took a while to get into
it...i thought that certain aspects were less subtle...i love "on your own" but
felt it was very heart-on-the-sleeve..."history being much the same...oddly
enough these were the first two songs i really got into...new decade seems to
dip into that "the sun the sea" savage arrogance...and "drive you home" seems
very reminiscent of "a man called sun"...if you dont have "the verve ep" i
strongly recommend it...as for the new verve...any feedback...
any thoughts on gene? this may have been discussed over the summer
(my apologies) but im interestedin what the 4ad-ers think of them...i, being a
devout smiths fan found no trouble falling head over heels in love with
"olympian"...the music is charming and the lyrics very youthful...there's this
line in "london can you wait" 'i was having the time of my life...so why did
you have to die' for some reason i cant get this wonderful line outta my
head...any suggestions...
ps is there merit to supergrass that i am missing?
thanks and peace
bryan
ps...see the film new york stories for scorsese's short alone...its wonderful.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:23:53 -0400
heya
i saw that mojave appears on a 4ad sampler that you lucky bastards on the
other side of the atlantic get free with any other 4ad purchase...can someone
tell me when a mojave album is scheduled to come out...thanks much...
bryan
"dont you know...ive left and gone away"
-neil
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:55:42 -0400
>From what I've been told, Tarnation have broken up, so don't expect another
album out of them. However, Paula Whats-her-face has signed with 4AD as a
solo artist, for those of you annoyed with the other singers of Tarnation,
rejoice.
With regards to "Lonely Lights," I believe this was the song that Ivo had
remixed at Warren's. The song had started out with a full
guitar-slideguitar-bass-drums thing, but as Ivo had wanted to "de-countrify"
the song, more and more of the instruments were dropped until it'd become the
version on the album.
All this is mouth by mouth-like, y'know. Folklore and legends.
Cheers,
hk
--
Vespa!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:06:09 -0400
The lyric sheet of my Tarnation "Gentle Creatures" disc smells strongly of
popcorn. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it just the natural odor of
the paper or is it a new v23 thingie? I wonder if the new Lush EP will smell
like shit. [ducking] Hey, I found it more than appropriate that "Split" had
LEMONS on the cover. ;)
Oh, and is Wally Sound a real guy? He's listed in Tarnation's credits.
Sounds like a clever Warren trick to me. That name's too punny to be real.
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:30:10 +0200
Is the Tarnation album released yet? I thought it should have been released
last week but I did't recieve a copy from 4AD M.O. and did not see it in
the shops.
And have they split already??
Emiel
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:08:36 -0700
> The lyric sheet of my Tarnation "Gentle Creatures" disc smells strongly of
> popcorn. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it just the natural odor of
> the paper or is it a new v23 thingie? I wonder if the new Lush EP will smell
> like shit. [ducking] Hey, I found it more than appropriate that "Split" had
> LEMONS on the cover. ;)
yes! it does smell like popcorn! almost all new discs i buy smell like
popcorn! will someone PLEASE tell jOHN that....he thinks i'm nutz and
he can't smell anything popcorny...
*k* ...the nose knows...
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:09:46 -0700
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> The lyric sheet of my Tarnation "Gentle Creatures" disc smells strongly of
> popcorn. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it just the natural odor of
> the paper or is it a new v23 thingie? I wonder if the new Lush EP will smell
> like shit. [ducking] Hey, I found it more than appropriate that "Split" had
> LEMONS on the cover. ;)
Whenever I buy a new tape (CD's don't have the smell, but that's not
why I buy tapes instead of CD's), I open the sleeve and sniff about where the
lyrics/credits are, and there's usually some kind of smell resembling a
nitrogenous compound or something. I call it the 'new tape smell' and it is
as expectable as the proverbial 'new car smell'. The 'new tape smell' is
always at least somewhat pleasant, and can vary between anything from
dead flowers to the sour Projekt tape smell. Is it this general
phenomenon you are referring to, or something different?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:54:43 +0900
Hello all,
Would someone answer me about the following question ?
Q1. how much should I pay for ESP summer cassette?
Q2. how much should I pay for astrobrite/candyswirl?
thanks in advance,
masaya
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Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Nansei,Mie, Japan
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:50:27 -0700
On Friday October 13th and Saturday October 14th, the Hollywood Alley in
Mesa, Arizona will host to a 2-day Beautiful Noise festival, titled "All
Fish Go To Heaven...". The event will feature some of the finest
underground pop groups from the Western region of the United States. The
line up is as follows in order of appearance:
fri. 10/13 sat 10/14
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*am radio all star *monte verdict stars
*the introspection trio *aberdeen
*jupiter sun *dart
*super 31 *scenic
*for against *the apples (in stereo)
*half string *alison's halo
A two-day pass will be the only form of admittance to this exclusive event
and will be made available in advance via mailorder (p.o. box 1483 /
tempe, az / 85289) and through two local record shops (stinkweeds in mesa
and eastside in tempe). For more information on the event or bands
involved please contact Brandon Capps at the addresses below.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
brandon capps
p.o. box 1483
tempe, az 85280
u.s.a.
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:44:03 EDT
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:02:05 -0700
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- wrote:
> One word, e.... RIDDLIN. :)
Nope, just a lot of sugar. hehehe
Yes! Tarnation broke up! Yes!! I was going to publicly wish for this last
night but I was afraid I would jinx us. Life is good! God is great!
e
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:08:03 -0700
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> The lyric sheet of my Tarnation "Gentle Creatures" disc smells strongly of
> popcorn. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it just the natural odor of
> the paper or is it a new v23 thingie?
At least is smells like fresh, yummy popcorn. Mouth by Mouth smelled like
old rancid popcorn with phony butter flavor topping. Interesting that
this time us Murckins get the nice fuzzy paper. Brits get that shiney
hemp stuff.
> I wonder if the new Lush EP will smell like shit. [ducking]
BLAM BLAM BLAM
> Hey, I found it more than appropriate that "Split" had
> LEMONS on the cover. ;)
You're really asking for it.
> Oh, and is Wally Sound a real guy? He's listed in Tarnation's credits.
> Sounds like a clever Warren trick to me. That name's too punny to be real.
Yeah, but it's too funny to be Warren. I wonder if Warren is a real name?
einexile, tarnationslayer - i also blew away that hurricane! i'm serious!
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:04:20 -0700
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Lawren Wu wrote:
> And, yes, JAMC's Darklands is really disappointing. I think the rough rule of
> thumb is that every other JAMC album is bad.
This would mean that only "Psychocandy", "Automatic", and "Stoned &
Dethroned" are good. Huh?? I don't see that at all.