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Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 22:20:38 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Bowery Electric
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:47:22 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Throwing Music
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:07:14 -0700
From: shabanashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:15:05 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Club Promo 12"
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:11:28 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: The Money Pit (or My Favorite Addiction)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:32:11 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Attn: Unrest Fans
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 13:19:57 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)

Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 22:20:38 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


At 4:00 PM 8/23/95, Jo Smo wrote:
>................Get a life !!!!! - enough said,
>                      Joski

This is _exactly_ the kind of response to reviews that I (and many others
here) detest. Initialboy wrote a solid and reasoned review of the album,
albeit a negative one. If you disagree with him, say why. If you can't say
why, don't bore us and waste our time with inane insults. I'd like to hear
why you think "The Mirror Pool" is so much better than I-Boy's review made
it out to be. I've considered buying it but haven't, I'm still making up my
mind, looking for opinions one way or the other. But by omitting any kind
of content you make yourself look like a dweeb in front of the 300-some-odd
readers of the list. Cooool.

I recently had a pretty short e-mail conversation with someone from the
list who was unhappy with it and was unsubscribing. He said he'd been made
to feel unwelcome because when he subscribed he posted some reviews only to
have people write back to him and tell him his taste in music sucked. Nice
going, campers, that's showing real 4AD-L hospitality.


AND JUST so there's some content in this, let me say that I've been
listening to a steady diet of Bark Psychosis' "Independency" for the past
week at work. In particulary, I'll listen to the track "Scum" over and over
(it's 25 minutes long so this isn't as obsessive as it may seem.) What
genius. Call me an old fart but this is what Pink Floyd might have become
if they'd managed to keep some of the spark of weirdness from their early
years. This is a band that can ooze from melancholy strumming to techno to
wild feedback squalling to spectral late-night jazz and make it seem
obvious -- I'm talking you drag Red House Painters, Eat Static, Sonic
Youth, Talk Talk and Slowdive into the studio and miraculously get a
masterpiece. Yeah, it's an import (to us US folks), buy it anyway.

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris


Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:47:22 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Bowery Electric


Bowery Electric are a three piece based in NYC who have just released their
self-titled debut on Chicago's Kranky Records (the next bastion of hip), and
in places this album has some of the best guitar-wash atmospherics since the
first Slowdive EP (which is saying a lot, I realize).  They're not a typical
shoegazer band, per se, in that they're more into droning, sprawling jams,
something along the lines of... oh, I dunno, Flying Saucer Attack in their
more verbose moments (I'm tempted to insert a Pink Floyd reference, a la the
first half of 'Ummagumma', but I don't think that'd be much appreciated -
would a Neu reference be more acceptable, as it does seem to be relevant as
well?).  For the most part, they don't write pop songs.  Rather, they're more
into building walls of sound, and as hackneyed as that notion may be, they do
it quite convincingly and rather well.

Nonetheless there is just enough of a melody that threads along in each song
to keep most of you popkids interested, and some of the more "ambient" spots
on this album are almost Eno-esque to a fault (a good thing, mind you).  If
Jessamine were Kranky's equivalent of Stereolab, then Bowery Electric are
analogous to a select part of the late '91 Creation roster rolling joints
with the early, savage Spacemen 3.  There's a slightly forbidding feel to
this whole album, and I can testify that this disc does make for a very
compelling night driving soundtrack.  I think I'm in love.

Cheers,


hk

PS.  Mr. Alfke (and some of you other lurking fogies), do you recall this
list being this... negative, oh, let's say sometime back in '91 or so?  For
some reason, everything seemed to have been (ahem) kinder, gentler, and
altogether cooler, but I think that's only nostalgia speaking.  It's not like
the music aspect is getting progressively worse.  Or is it?  Perhaps the fact
that Julian Lawton decided to move on and call indiepop-l home says
something, but I may be reading too much into this.
--
Charalambides! Charalambides! Charalambides!


Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:07:14 -0700
From: shabanashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Throwing Music


I haven't seen this mentioned, sorry if it's common knowledge.
There was some mention of new Throwing Muses material in the
fall.  Apparently, the Muses have left Warner and have established
their own label, Throwing Music.  this will enable them to release
the earlier material that Warner had refused to reissue.  Planned so
far is a reissue of 'Throwing Muses' with 'Chains Changed.'  The
first (new) Muses release will actually be a Christmas single from
Kristin.  The new Muses album should be released in Spring '96 to
followed by solo KH late in the year.

Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\      What is this forgetfulness?
Sleep Lab, x4227                      \/  Who keeps screaming poppies, poppies?
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\   I don't know. Man, I love to fish!
or just shout 'Hey-up Ed!'            \/             **Engine 88**

Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 11:15:05 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


>At 4:00 PM 8/23/95, Jo Smo wrote:
>>................Get a life !!!!! - enough said,
>>                      Joski

        Jens:
>This is _exactly_ the kind of response to reviews that I (and many others
>here) detest. Initialboy wrote a solid and reasoned review of the album,
>albeit a negative one.

Once we got rid of (reformed?) Beavis and Butthead we have had less "xxx
sucks",  "xxx rules!" type comments and i like it that way!  Now is a
perfect time to see reviews and discussion, with the flurry of thislisty
albums comming out and only a limited budget (Lisa Gerard, Liquorice,
Tarnation, Tindersticks, Heavenly Voices III).

> I'd like to hear
>why you think "The Mirror Pool" is so much better than I-Boy's review made
>it out to be. I've considered buying it but haven't, I'm still making up my
>mind, looking for opinions one way or the other.

I just bought The Mirror Pool yesterday.  e had written a glowing review
and initialboy wrote a dissapointing one.  After listening to the album
twice and rereading the reviews i can see a kernal of truth in both.   The
album is not groundbreaking--it's very DCDesque and innofensive as
initialboy said but it's also thoroughly enjoyable.  I guess my greatest
fear was that Lisa Gerard would float away with her wishywashiness and the
album would lack the structure that it needs without Brendan.  It didn't.
I've always thought (and said as much on this list) that DCD were more than
a sum of their parts.  This may show through on The Mirror Pool but not as
much as i thought it would.  So i guess i'll have to wait to hear Brendan's
solo before i can judge.  I may have to eat my words.

        But that picture on the front???!!!   A little too cheesy for me.

>Bark Psychosis'... I'll listen to the track "Scum" over and over
>(it's 25 minutes long so this isn't as obsessive as it may seem.) What
>genius. Call me an old fart but this is what Pink Floyd might have become
>if they'd managed to keep some of the spark of weirdness from their early
>years.

        Now, i'm not a Pink Floyd fan (though i love Syd Barrett), but i
saw a tribute album to them put out by Cleopatra.  Actually picked it up
because i thought it was a Legendary Pink Dots tribute (darn!).  But i saw
that several bands that i like are on there (i can't exactly remember which
ones other than Controlled Bleeding).  Can anyone comment on this album?
Is it worth my hard earned money even though i don't like most of Pink
Floyd?  Reply personally if you think this is too off-topic.

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"The purpose of words is to convey ideas.  When the ideas are grasped the
words are forgotten.  Where can I find a person who has forgotten words?
There is the one I would like to talk to."     -Chuang Tzu


Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:11:28 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Club Promo 12"


I don't think I've seen this mentioned on the 4ad-l before:

DEAD CAN DANCE 'Club Promo'.
Clear vinyl 12" in white die cut sleeve.
Limited numbered edition of 300.
4AD/Rough Trade
cat.# RTD 120.2009.0
American Dreaming
Rakim
Oman
Desert Song

This is a German 4AD promo. A friend of mine gave me this 12" (no. 14/300,
in fact) last week, and I'd never seen it before. Must be rather rare.

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:32:11 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: The Money Pit (or My Favorite Addiction)


>Now is a
>perfect time to see reviews and discussion, with the flurry of thislisty
>albums coming out and only a limited budget (Lisa Gerard, Liquorice,
>Tarnation, Tindersticks, Heavenly Voices III).

Okay, I've had the Tindersticks album for almost two months (actually, had a
copy out on review from the local college radio station), and I got my own
copy of it in the mail two days after it came out domestic this past Tuesday.

It's quite a wonderful album.  The songs aren't quite as guitar-oriented as
the first album - actually, to be more appropriate, the new album is much,
much more strings-heavy (and only just a slight bit cheesy, but that easily
comes with the territory).  A lounge orchestra for hell's antechambers?  A
slight exaggeration, yet still, I doubt that you can make these guys crack a
smile even if you stuffed coathangers in their mouths.  And the funny thing
is that the music and the orchestration is so melancholic and engaging, I
haven't even gotten around to really listen to the lyrics (and I'm not sure
if I'd want to, as they may prove to be the depressive cherry on the downer
sundae, and I'm not in the mood to be thoroughly bummed).

"No More Affairs," "Tiny Tears," and "Mistakes" are easily my favorite songs
from this album, and the duet with Carla Torgerson of the Walkabouts is
pretty damn swell as well.  According to the liner notes, Isabel from
Drugstore does some vocals on one of the tracks, but I'd always gotten
sidetracked to really notice.  There are also some relatively dodgy songs
that are more noodlings than anything else, but life is full of distractions,
no?

Anyhow, my $0.02US again.

On a wholly different subject, did someone mention a domestic release date
for the last Mercury Rev album?  I heard a bit of it the other day whilst
shopping, and as over-the-top it sounded in places, it sounded awful, awful
good.  Yummy.

Cheers,


hk

PS.  To perhaps clarify/obfuscate a point with regards to 'The Mirror Pool' -
it's not a bad album, per se.  Without a doubt, there is great talent at work
here, but when compared to efforts like 'Within the Realm of a Dying Sun' and
'The Serpent's Egg', it also becomes apparent that there's also something
missing.


Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 13:19:57 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Attn: Unrest Fans


On Thu, 17 Aug 1995 MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU wrote:

> Have any of you seen/bought the new singles/rarities compilation
> "B.P.M."?  The Catalog says 10 songs, Mark told me 15 songs, and
> no one will tell me what the tracks are and where they originally
> appeared...Can anyone tell me? Is it worth getting?


If you're talking about the compilation labeled Teenbeat 175 (or was it
145??)  I bought it for my best friend and she loves it... it's
definitely a must for you Unrest fans...

btw...anyone seen the new Air Miami poster??  It's wonderful!!!!  Bridget
looks like Annabella.... hehe

Ivo