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Subject: Love Spirals live in LA
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 02:17:46 -0400
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: For Sale: The Saddest CD Sale Of All Time
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:57:25 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard's 'Largo'
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:33:47 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses...
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:00:36 -0400
From: PLBear@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses...
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:19:26 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses... and more
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:52:09 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses... and more
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:54:51 -0400
From: "...asleep..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:34:07 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: proffered opinion: new 4ad releases
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:01:12 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Visions of Talking Pigs........or Lisa Gerrard for (not just)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:57:29 -0400
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Lush / Cocteau Twins Guitar Effects
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:39:58 -0400
From: Darrin (LUCAS001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU)
Subject: set 4ad-l nomail
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:00:51 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters - quo vadis?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:32:44 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:35:12 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush / Cocteau Twins Guitar Effects
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:47:40 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Re: another Richmond?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:24:38 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: another Richmond?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:17:25 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: furry honking *donkey*
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:08:22 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 02:17:46 -0400
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Love Spirals live in LA


Projekt records artist Love Spirals Downwards will be performing live at the
Troubadour on Thursday September 21 in Los Angeles with Ivy records' Faith &
Disease (from Seattle) and Tess records' Trance to the Sun.  This will be the
last show for their Ardor tour.  The Troubador is located at 9081 Santa
Monica Blvd in Hollywood and is an all ages show.  Also a reminder that LSD
will be performing in Boston, Philadelphia, and New York on August 31-Sept.
2.  Call the Projekt info line at (818) 395-7698 for the latest info.  The
Troubador's info line is  (310) 276-6168.


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:57:25 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: For Sale: The Saddest CD Sale Of All Time


Have you not been paying attention?!


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:33:47 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard's 'Largo'


Hey, what do you Americans think of Lisa Gerrard's interpretation of Georg=
=20
Friedrich H=E4ndel's 'Largo'? For me, it's one of the really outstanding=20
tracks on the 'Mirror Pool' album!
For your information: H=E4ndel isn't from the 50's or 60's, he lived from=20
1685-1759, so he is a contemporary of Johann Sebastian Bach, and died at=20
about the time Mozart was born (that guy you use to call Amadeus!).

A couple of weeks ago some on this list said that the last good 4AD release=
=20
was Pale Saint's 'In Ribbons' album. Wasn't that album released at the time=
=20
that Ivo and co. sold out to Warner Bros., sorry, signed the US deal?

My advice to 4AD: blow up the LA office, say "fuck you" to Warner Bros. ,=20
and return to Europe.

Frank

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:00:36 -0400
From: PLBear@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses...


>  why is the dresses song on the 4ad lisa
> germano cd different than the version i
> once heard on the radio?  was it because
> the other version was on another label?
> where can i find that version?  is it still around?

There are actually four versions of "You Make Me
Want To Wear Dresses".  There's the album version
from the Capitol release of _Happiness_, plus a
radio remix which is available on a promo single.
That may be what you heard on the radio.

The song was then rerecorded as "(Late Night) Dresses"
for the "Inconsiderate Bitch" EP, and then included
as "The Dresses Song" on the 4AD rerelease of
_Happiness_.

--Phil


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:19:26 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses...


how available is the Inconsiderate Bitch ep? I
understand it was a limited release...is there
somewhere it can still be ordered from?

mike

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:52:09 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses... and more


>i know this was discussed a long time ago, but i just can't recall what was
>        the answer for the question, so i will ask again:  why is the dresses
>        song on the 4ad lisa germano cd different than the version i once
>        heard on the radio?  was it because the other version was on another
>        label?  where can i find that version?  is it still around?

You could have heard:

     this one was released on Capitol Records (cdp 0777 7 98691 2 1) in 1993
     I think you still find a copy



About Lisa Gerrard... I think her solo album is a very good one, but I've
heard it all before. It isn't totally different than a Dead Can Dance
album. When Brendan Perry releases his solo project next year (?) you could
probably mix those two together and make a double DCD album... Not that I
was expecting something realy different but when people do solo things, in
most of cases they're going to do something that they couldn't do in the
form of a group (like Kristin's Hips and Makers). The Mirror Pool could
also be a Dead Can Dance Album.

Is 4AD going down the hill? Well, NO. I don't mean every artist on the
label is a 'great' one, but most of them do have 'something' special. There
is no real '4AD-sound' (if there has ever been one...) anymore... lets hope
there will never be one (again)! If 4AD releases a country album it will be
one you would never hear on a country-label. I'm looking forward to all
those new artists on the label (even if some of them sound like shit). And
if some old acts leave... so what? Should stay the same forever...? Have
ex-4AD artists released any good albums after 'the split'? (read: cocteau
twins).
My advice: if you don't like it, don't buy it and keep listening to the
records you love.

My personal opinion about The Wolfgang Press leaving 4AD: they should have
done it years ago!



E.E.


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:54:51 -0400
From: "...asleep..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: lisa germano's dresses... and more


thanks for the info about germano!  :)  i will look for the capitol release
of happiness.  is it much different than the 4ad one?

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:34:07 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


[negative review deleted]

then Jo Smo wrote:

> ................Get a life !!!!! - enough said,

well.....actually i don't think it is enough.  let's get an argument
behind that statement.

i wasn't going to say anything yet, but my opinions got the better of
me.  lord, here we go again....

i wonder, how eager are we to hate this record?  why buy it at all?  why
not just listen to it at the record store and say it sucks?  it's one of
those 'my mother always says' instances......if you go into something with
a negative attitude you'll probably have a negative outcome.  isn't
anyone willing to give this record a chance?  or any new 4ad release, for
that matter?  i am becoming more and more convinced that it's just
impossible for people to get excited about anything anymore.  i drove to
the record store yesterday, bought 'gentle creatures' & 'the mirror
pool', and drove home with glee and anticipation.  and i was rewarded
with two interesting records that are beautiful and challenging.  it is
good that they are challenging.....i thought 'filligree&shadow' was
challenging as hell.  it was difficult to get over dominic appleton
singing 'dum di dada didi' (or whatever) in 'the jeweller', but that
record became a part of how i live, so much so that my vinyl copy had to
be replaced when the cd was reissued in the u.s.  i am only speculating;
perhaps everyone is giving this a fair chance, but it's hard for me to
take these calculated slaggings of the record following hard upon the
release with total seriousness.

for my part, i have not completed my opinion of 'the mirror pool' yet.  it
was playing in my darkroom all yesterday; weaving in and out of my
consciousness.  i'll say that it really got under my skin in a good way
in a few parts.  it's becoming familar and i'm beginning to love it.
i've been bored with DCD for the past six months; not that i thought the
records were particularlly boring, i just opted to listen to other
things.  this has got me excited again.  i think lisa is singing
wonderfully, bringing back some of the deeper and more unique parts of
her vocals.  i can not say that i find this dull in any way.  'glorafin'
and 'the rite' are certainly not without passion (to name just a
couple).  these songs transcend the silliness that pervaded in works
from ITL ('towards the within', 'the spider's stratagem').  is the
problem that we've heard it all before?  can we only take so much
esoteric wailing from miss gerrard?  in that case, they should have
stopped with 'within the realm....'  it should have been over then.  this
is precisely why this record is challenging.  you have to force yourself
to look at what lisa is doing in a new way......rediscover her.

can we really say that DCD is making newage music for an adult
contemporary audience?  i mean, do you think they've really just given up
their passion for music to make records specifically for this crowd?  i
think it's more accurate to say that the adult contemporary crowd has
discovered them and decided that this is what they like right now.
warner bros. and 4ad are certainly taking advantage of this, but i don't
think there is any need to blame the musicians for their audience.  and
it's not just the new stuff....i've met adult contemporary people who have
bought all the records and love them.  now they've gone on to discover
other 4ad stuff and renounced their vh1 beginnings.  and besides, some of
'the mirror pool' is pretty dark and scary.  i have a hard time imagining
'the rite' being played on the local liteFM station.....

intelligent rebuttals to the list.  *please*  let's make this a better place.

if any aphex fans made it this far....is 'honey rhubarb' out in the US yet?

        .disappearingatthebigOmotel.........mark.

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:01:12 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: proffered opinion: new 4ad releases


In Message Tue, 22 Aug 1995 22:06:03 -0500, MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU writes:

>good post christian.
>while everyone's talking about the fall of 4ad, I'd be
>interested to hear what release (or series of releases, or
>economic period, blah-blah-blah) people think was the
>negative turning point for 4ad.  ANd let's see if we
>can do this with enciting too much of a flame war...
>
>mike

I haven't been into 4ad that long (i'm only 19, give me a break), but i'll
take a stab at it.  i definately agree with e. about the second peak, but i
think a lot of that is due to the creation of guernica.  i don't really know
who's in charge of it (i'm assuming ivo), but i think that it has or had the
potential to develop into a great "experimental" label.  the only problem
was the unspoken "one album rule."  yes, i know, insides had clearskin (buy
it).

i think the fall all started with bands like the breeders and belly combined
with the lingering commercial success of the pixies.  i like all of these
bands (except king, which i think is horrible), and i think the decline in
music is due to a desire by 4ad to make another "Star" or "Last Splash."
Once a label has their first huge commercial success (I'm not counting Pump
up the Volume or I Melt With You -- how many average joes do you know that
actually own these?), it's never the same again.  this, perhaps, is also why
creation is experiencing a decline in quality.  mark my words, oasis and
the boos' wake up will bring them down, too.

this leads to my conclusion.  someone (that guy from bedazzled -- i forget
his name) mentioned this, too.  it's our "job" to go out and find other
indie labels, similar to what the indie "big boys," Creation and 4ad, used
to be like.  i've recently developed an interest in ipr, and am looking high
and low for something to fill the void created by the release of "King,"
and company.  If anyone wants to recommend bands to me, please mail me
privately.

eric, who wants another spoonfed hybrid cd badly

"Most people find Stephen boring, but i to think of him as 'ambient'"
     -a cartoon in the last utne reader


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:57:29 -0400
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Visions of Talking Pigs........or Lisa Gerrard for (not just)

              Kids?

lurking mode: off

I must make several confessions

I saw Babe........yes, that movie about a talking pig, and I must admit that
I kinda liked it.  (I really wanted to see Indian in the Cupboard, but that's
an entirely different story.)  I also tend to read all the credits......I
don't know why, but I do.  As the Babe credits rolled by and I looked for my
keys, I noticed the name The Victorian Philharmonic Orchestra as doing the
film score or something (which was pretty good as I recall).  It didn't mean
too much to me then, but for some inexplicable reason, it stuck.

Well, the following day, I saw one of those advanced copies of the Mirror
Pool CD and scanned those credits, lo and behold, there popped up the name of
The Victorian Philharmonic Orchestra.  Who would have thunk it?

I will be listening to the Mirror Pool......um.....once I actually get
it......eating a tub of popcorn and drinking a silo of coke in a feeble
attempt to recapture that Babe experience.


Resetting lurk mode to on,

Rodney


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:39:58 -0400
From: Darrin (LUCAS001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU)
Subject: Lush / Cocteau Twins Guitar Effects


        Desperately seeking info on the guitars, tuning, effects pedals,
amps, etc., Cocteau Twins and Lush use to get their awesome guitar
effects.

        When I saw Lush last summer in NYC, they had a pretty big rack
of electronic stuff behind them (especially Emma).  ANy clues as to
what they use???

        Tuning is alson a question - Emma and Miki have to use
(I think) open tuning to get that jangly, harmonic sound I LUV
so much!!!!!   :)


        THANKS!!

        Darrin Lucas

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:00:51 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: set 4ad-l nomail


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:32:44 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters - quo vadis?


On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, Rick Stone wrote:

> They have NOT been booted off of 4AD...big bad rumour that shouldn't be
> being spread; NO, they haven't disbanded, in fact they are doing some
> west coast shows in about a month or so.

Have dates and locations been announced yet?  Seattle?  Vancouver?

Mike

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:35:12 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool'


I just thought it sounded like Lisa Gerrard singing DCD songs with an
orchestra backing... nice.  I'll have to listen to it again... I didn't
get the new age thing...

Mike

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:47:40 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush / Cocteau Twins Guitar Effects


On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Darrin wrote:

>         Desperately seeking info on the guitars, tuning, effects pedals,
> amps, etc., Cocteau Twins and Lush use to get their awesome guitar
> effects.


Robin and maybe Emma use an apparatus called the "e-bow".
It vibrates the string without plucking it to get those spacey
solo sounds (e.g. Pink Orange Red).  Thats all I know...there
is liberal use of multiple tracks on both groups studio efforts.  It
sounds like both are chorus masters as well.

Monty Santasnake
My record, when played backward contains the subliminal message:
You guessed right, I worship SANTA....ho, ho, ho, ho!


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:24:38 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: another Richmond?

              17, 95 2:07 pm

Hello!

I don't recognize your name from the last discovery of 4ad/Richmond
inhabiters.  I live in the Fan near VCU.

Wow, I'm excited to hear that Siddal are playing with them (they are
from Richmond, you know).  If i can squeeze it in time wise, I'm
going to the Phily show.  But those plans are rather sketchy.

Give me a personal email if you are interested.  Maybe we can round
up that other 4ad Richmonder (I think his name is Will) and get
together some time.

Holly

bio4hah@cabell.vcu.edu

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:17:25 -0700
From: Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM) You wrote: > >How do the groups fit in with thislisty music and are there any >comparisons with 4ad bands. > >Thanks, > >'H' Cambridge Sarah was the only label to release work by Easr River Pipe a/k/a F.M. Cornog, 2 labels picked up him in the US. This guy is incredible and kinda in thislisty vein, although a bit of a stretch. he records on a 8 track recorder in his Queens apartment. the minimalistic approach is mixed with an almost dreamy lost in the world type sound. as for other Sarah stuff i view it more dreampop than 4ad, but then please don't start opinion wars with me this is just MHO. ;0

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:08:22 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: furry honking *donkey*


after bathing in naked rainwater, blueeyes.brownhair mumbled:

honey, it's 'donkey rhubarb,' and its just a single so i really don't
expect it out stateside unless they release more remixes etc as WEA did
with 'ventolin' (2-part single in UK, one disc in US.) it's damned good,
tho.

utterly blah.

plan on posting it to the list every 6 minutes and 23 seconds while the
sale is on. prepare your killfiles... ;)

.joanna.

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