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Subject: ignore this post
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:24:19 -0500
From: your name (userid@HOST.UMSL.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD Promo/Freebie List Mark VI Aug95
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:27:59 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Why is 4AD so crap?
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:40:38 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Simple Pale Saints Question?
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:38:48 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@LIB.BEKKOAME.OR.JP)
Subject: Pygmalion ignorance question and DCD influences??
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:46:14 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: my own lisa gerrard auction update
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 19:31:07 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: my own lisa gerrard auction update
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:19:54 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD Promo/Freebie List Mark VI Aug95
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:40:06 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: New Order 19.6.93-17.7.94
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 23:50:38 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: unearthing the rotten corpse of Xymox
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:40:00 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: gerrard vs tarnation, round two...
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:57:34 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Jane Sibbery and Kate Bush
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 19:38:43 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: a quick question for anyone who wants to help
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 22:14:09 -0400
From: GrimaceSCU@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:24:19 -0500
From: your name (userid@HOST.UMSL.EDU)
Subject: ignore this post


this is just a test sorry for the minor annoyance


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:27:59 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: 4AD Promo/Freebie List Mark VI Aug95


I saw a CD by a band called Sheer - note spelling - who were on Creation.
Are the same?

Also is Metamorphosis by Xymox any good.

Thanks

'H'y



'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Tel +44 1904 432992
Fax +44 1904 432898


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:40:38 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Why is 4AD so crap?


einexile the meek  wrote:
 >
 > It took me forever to get hold of this but it was certainly
 > worth the wait.  Highly recommended to anyone who liked any of
 > their previous material. It is Autechre at their finest.

It's a really cool EP, Autechre rock.  Unlike many 40-minute techno
"EPs", the album length of this one is justified.  Seeming as einexile
was ranting last week about how there is a lot of good music around at
the moment, just not all on 4AD, here's a random selection of what I
listened to this weekend:

Mouse on Mars - Iaora Tahiti.  This one is *really* growing on me.
Some of it is so cheesy it makes you grin like an idiot, some of it
comes within a mouse's whisker of Can ("Future Days" was this morning's
"chill out before going to work" CD) or Kraftwerk.  Speaking of which,
I bought "Radio-Activity" on Sat, from the 'Werk's pre-disco phase, it
should appeal to Stereolab or Pram fans.  Also listened to Pram's "The
Stars..." - new album was reviewed in this month's "Vox", I can't
wait.

Pulp - His 'n' Hers.  Been around for ages, I bought it in a sale on
Sat.  Pulp are a bit erratic, but in addition to the three singles
there are a couple of other masterpieces on this album.  How big are
they in the US?  I would imagine that Jarvis's "interesting" vocal
technique might grate on foreigners.  The other item I bought in the
sale (a "2 for 21 quid" deal) was a jungle/ambient compilation called
"Artcore", which is fine in small doses - surprisingly the combination
of jungle (6000 bpm) and ambient (0 bpm) sounds pretty good, and most
of it is instrumental.  The thing that really lets a lot of jungle down
(like a lot of early techno) is that the artists feel it isn't a proper
record unless there's some fat idiot in sportswear yelling "respect to
all the posses in the area" every ten seconds.  And speaking of techno,
the long-awaited Aphex Twin / Philip Glass confrontation is now
available on the "Donkey Rhubarb" EP - actually it's "Icct Hedral"
orchestrated by PG with (apparently) no involvement by RJ, what I'd
like to hear is a genuine collaboration.  The other three tracks on the
EP are much more interesting.

Also playing in the pigsty this weekend - Slowdive (Pygmalion), the Fall
(27 points, cracking new live album), FSA (Distance), The Wedding
Present (Hit Parade), Benedict Mason (The Lighthouses of England and
Wales).  Last 4AD album bought and listened to = Kendra Smith (pleasant
but not essential - I'll probably buy the Liquorice album when that free
CD offer starts).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 21/08/95
On my walkman this morning : Can - compilation
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:38:48 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@LIB.BEKKOAME.OR.JP)
Subject: Re: Simple Pale Saints Question?


At  4:23 PM 95.8.20 -0700, Heffalump wrote:
>> Note:  Mother Might has some weird noise at the end of it that's not on
>> "Barging" and The Colour of the Sky has some weird music box tune at the
>> end of it.  It lasts about 30 seconds or so and slowly winds down.  Very
>> eerie. . (Does anyone know what song it's playing?)
>
>It's some sort of traditional Japanese tune... I don't know the name.
>

It's "Sakura, Sakura". (In English, "Cherry-blossom, cherry-blossom")

---
Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Nansei,Mie, Japan
toyokawa@lib.bekkoame.or.jp


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:46:14 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: Pygmalion ignorance question and DCD influences??


I've recently gotten mesmerized by them Slowdive folks, and currently am
looking to acquire as much of their stuff as I can sniff out here in the
backwaters of bucolia.

I've seen much chatter and adjectives of praise heaped on 'Pygmalion' yet
it seems to be non-existant to the local would-be alterna-shop gurus. Is
it exclusive available via import? Is it even an import??
*befuddlement*

LIstening to Joy Division's "Closer" album last night, I suddenly heard:
"...the shouting is over, the procession has moved on.." or whatever it
is the Brenden croons in "The Carnival is Over". I'm musing if this was
an intentional nod or one of those wacky coincedence things. Has DCD ever
cited Joy Division as an influence?? Or could it all be quite organic:
two groups with sonorous male vocals over enigmatic instrumentation??

Ah, the deeper mysteries of life... go figure.

Cheers,
=======================================================================
Mike Welker                                     mwelker@bgnet.bgsu.edu
"I lived here nearly 5 years before I could meet the middle western day
with anything approaching  Dignity. It's a place that lets you
understand why the Bible is the way  it is: Proud people cannot live
here.... In country like this there Can be no God but Jahweh..."
                                        -Lew Welch,
                                           "Chicago Poem"
=======================================================================


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 19:31:07 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: my own lisa gerrard auction update


e wrote:

>This album comes out tomorrow. Anyone who pays $30 for it is a fool. Wait
>a day and buy both it and the Tarnation album.

If a person wants to pay $ 30,- for the Lisa Gerrard 'The Mirror Pool' CD,
than it's his or her decision!! Let me be clear: I wouldn't pay $ 30,-
myself (there are 2,000 copies of this promo around) but I'm not calling
someone a fool if he or she wants to spend that amount on the disc!

By the way, the artwork of the regular jewel box edition CD is TOTAL CRAP
compared with the artwork of the triple-fold digipak promo edition!

Frank




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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:19:54 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: my own lisa gerrard auction update


On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> This album comes out tomorrow. Anyone who pays $30 for it is a fool. Wait
> a day and buy both it and the Tarnation album.
                                ^^^^^^^^^
does this mean that einexile (hardy enemy of the people) is now endorsing
Tarnation after giving them a not so good review in his review for that
sampler cd that keeps changing names???? hmmmmm.....

of course i'm sure i will buy the record as i have irrational
faith&devotion to 4ad, and......well, i really like the name 'gentle
creatures'....boy am i ever a nerd......:)

pester #1 for e.themeek: *tapemeC&CStapemeC&CS*

        a mali is a tropical fish........mark.


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:40:06 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD Promo/Freebie List Mark VI Aug95


>
> Also is Metamorphosis by Xymox any good.
>

hmm, tough question.  i'd say no.

i love xymox (clan of and normal) but i just can't enjoy anything after
phoenix.  pieter and anka left either before or during metamorphosis and
it shows.  i can't tell you how disappointed i was when i got the brand
new import home and found a bunch of dorky dance beats.  sold it a few weeks
later after only two listens.  i have since rebought it to give it
another try, but i still think it's crap.  I guess some people like it
and headclouds, but it's not for me.  i'd say give it a listen in the
store first

aaron

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 23:50:38 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: New Order 19.6.93-17.7.94


This is not the New Order list (is there such a list?), but since there are
a few real New Order buffs on this list, maybe someone can help me.

Today I picked up a CD copy of the new, maybe pointless, but still great,
New Order compilation: 'The Rest Of New Order'. Actually, the limited
edition double-CD. It comes in a '2CD' slime line jewel case.
When you open the case and lift up the tray and look at the inside of the
left spine (something you should ALWAYS do when you buy a double-CD!), you
can see, in very tine type:

                         19.6.93 - 17.7.94

The '-' is in fact a heart (unfortunately I can not make that character with
the e-mail program I use).

What do these two dates mean?


Frank



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:40:00 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: unearthing the rotten corpse of Xymox


> another try, but i still think it's crap.  I guess some people like it
> and headclouds, but it's not for me.  i'd say give it a listen in the
> store first

Twist Of Shadows was the last Xymox album I thought had anything
good about it, and even that was clearly the beginning of the end.
But basically for me, it's usually _Medusa_, or nothing.
The first 4AD album is pretty good, but I can only stand
"A Day" and (even worse) "Stranger" for short times. I never
liked New Order that much... :)

brant
no sig today


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:57:34 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: gerrard vs tarnation, round two...


It's funny how some people cannot tell the difference between my ordering
someone to do something, and my thinking them foolish if they choose to
despite my *suggestion*. And so I shall reply to the more intelligent
response...

On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, blueeyes.brownhair wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> > This album comes out tomorrow. Anyone who pays $30 for it is a fool. Wait
> > a day and buy both it and the Tarnation album.
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^
> does this mean that einexile (hardy enemy of the people) is now endorsing
> Tarnation after giving them a not so good review in his review for that
> sampler cd that keeps changing names???? hmmmmm.....

I don't remember slagging the song exactly, though I might have. I have
since heard the entire album and it is by turns brilliant and beautiful
then obnoxious and irritating. It is all very retro and concept, and it
is an unflinching country and western album, but I recommend it, albeit
with considerably less enthusiasm than the Lisa Gerrard album (which,
incedentally, boasts crap artwork in both its formats).

> of course i'm sure i will buy the record as i have irrational
> faith&devotion to 4ad, and......well, i really like the name 'gentle
> creatures'....boy am i ever a nerd......:)

Forget the title--buy it for the artwork! It's gorgeous. Gorgeouser e'en
than King its merry self. Which to this mind is saying something indeed.

> pester #1 for e.themeek: *tapemeC&CStapemeC&CS*

That's pester #2 braw man.

>         a mali is a tropical fish........mark.

You are in mourning? I'm sorry. :(

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 19:38:43 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Re: Jane Sibbery and Kate Bush


>  me! having been a fan of kate bush since first
> hearing her album _Lionheart_, i always knew kate was a little,
> um...wacky, but _The Red Shoes_ definitely took the cake...heh, i
> didn't even end up buying kate bush's last album...i was so upset
> by the utter lameness of "eat the music" that i refused to hand money
> over for more of those goofy songs! what happened to songs like "the
> hounds of love" and "cloudbusting"???

Hey, she can still do it.  I think that "This Woman's Work" (the song, not the
CD set) was fabulous!  I didn't buy TRS either, and I heard a friend of mine
say to me the other day "I've outgrown Kate Bush".  Ugh.  Yeah, well I've
outgrown Yanni.  What a stupid statement.

As for Jane Siberry, I think "Bound by the Beauty" was her best CD.  I like
"the walking", "no borders here" and "the speckless sky" but I think she
reached her peak with BBTB.  Every song on that CD just wraps around you like
an old friend.  (hmm, maybe I should go into writing prose-bites for Projekt)

Anyway, the point is, "When I was a boy" may not be her best work, as she
seems to be deviating away from the style of singing that makes her so unique
and listenable, however, I still enjoy it.  I was listening to it in my car
the other day on a long trip, and found it quite enjoyable as a whole.  (Much
less painful than trying to get through, say "Loved" by the Cranes..yech.  I'm
about to give up on that one.  Those stupid remixes at the end always get to
me...eject..EjeCT...EJECT!)

Everyone has their good and bad albums.  It just seems there are alot more
"bad" releases these days by many of the well-loved artists discussed here.  I
haven't heard a thing about the new Jane Siberry CD so I'll wait until I hear
it personally before accepting someone else's opinion as to how good/bad it
is.

Meanwhile, I got a 6500 line digest after much 'prodding and prompting' the
listserv to loosen its bowels to me...  Actually I've gotten several messages
from other "digesters" who also are not getting digests regularly, either.  I
think its a listserv problem.  When set to "mail" instead of "digest",
everything seems ok, although that's what I hated in the first place..a
mailbox full of 100 messages everyday.


marvynHortman --> who loves John Stossel's specials


Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 22:14:09 -0400
From: GrimaceSCU@AOL.COM
Subject: a quick question for anyone who wants to help


I haven't gotten any mail from the list since August 15 and I'm not sure why.
  I forgot the protocol to re-subscribe so if someone would be willing to
send it on over I'll be your best friend.

Thank you and goodnight.
David

Oh yeah, I've got an invitation to the Tarnation Record Release Party at
Bottom of the Hill on Tuesday August 22.  If one of you South Bay kids wants
to drive I'd be more than happy to let you have my +1.  I'm not actually sure
how many people can get in on one invitation, but I'll look into it tomorrow.
Paula Frazer will be performing acoustic and there'll be loads of posters and
stuff.  Plenty of Schmoozing with the local Radio and Record Company kids
(incl. 4ADs wonderful promotions guru Rich Holtzman), too.

Since my e-mail is a bit sketchy you can give me a call at home (408)
374-3448 or at KSCU (408) 554-5728.  Try me at home first and whoever answers
will tell you if I'm at the station or not.  Thank you and goodnight.


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