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Subject: Re: Krap... / Bleach / Audio Snippets
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 21:59:14 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction whines
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:08:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: reviews for the people
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:56:42 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: jane siberry and kate bush
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 02:05:15 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Love Spirals Downward.. also the Trouser Press Guide..
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 00:16:23 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: this really is a test for real this time
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 04:37:32 -0400
From: Einexile@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:05:21 +330
From: "V.Falahati" (FALAHATI@CD.GU.AC.IR)
Subject: Re: 4AD Mail Order/FTWW
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:04:37 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: FACING THE WRONG WAY
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:19:40 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Simon Larbalestier/v23
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:39:43 +0100
From: "Andrew W." (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: anita lane (was reviews....)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:46:12 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 21:59:14 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Krap... / Bleach / Audio Snippets


At 1:47 AM 8/15/95, Julian Stewart wrote:
>I think Kelli has a good point about the stale quality of the latest
>discussions...is anyone interested in starting a new list? Not
>another 4AD list, but simply a good forum for the discussion of
>interesting music?

That's funny, about a year ago another guy named Julian [Lawton] made the
same suggestion and even started up a list called "Transoma". It died very
quickly. Personally I think the 4AD-L is as good as we're going to get. I
just wish people could get over their kollektor skum instincts and be a bit
less anal about the details of every single special edition release of
every 4AD recording. It's the muuusic, maaan, not the "D" in the catalog
number. Maybe we need one mailing list for the music and another for the
packaging?

OK, musical discussion: I recently dug up Bleach's EPs and LP and blew the
dust off and have them in heavy rotation at work. Fabulous stuff as always,
somewhere between Lush and Joy Division with real venom in the singing. I
haven't heard anything from them since '93, so I assume they've broken up.
Anyone know the whereabouts of the people involved?

And what about sound samples on the net/web/whatever? Now that I have a
home page I was thinking of reviving my idea of uploading 30 second
snippets of cool new things. I can do this relatively easily being blessed
with a Mac and a CD300 drive. The question is: what format? MPEG audio
seems to have really good compression, but I've seen only decoders, and no
encoders. Are there any for the Mac?
I tried the RealAudio encoder yesterday. The results are comparable to
listening to a cheap AM radio tuned improperly while you're running the
garbage disposal. Really good compression though :)


__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:08:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction whines


At 8:48 AM 8/15/95, EyeRate@AOL.COM wrote:
>As much as some of you would like to think that 4AD is just a tight knit
>community of really hip people (clad in black) that listen to other equally
>hip people (ditto black)

"I was looking fine, she was looking like an e-ro-tic vul-ture"
(sorry, that's "vult-chah")

>So it seems a bit elitist when I read posts of people complaining about sales
>and auctions on the list. These are people that either have the item , or
>don't care to have it, and look down their noses at others that attempt to
>offer items on a list that will be assured to contain people that will
>genuinely care for the music offered.

I don't recall anybody complaining about the idea of people buying, selling
or having auctions for rare merchandise. We're just complaining about the
excess amount of list traffic generated by these auctions. I don't mind
seeing one post about each particular sale. I do start to mind when it hits
ten postings per sale. Nuff said.

Or maybe I'm just upset because I don't have too much rare stuff to sell.
Frankly, I'll hang onto the 4AD stuff (such as I have.) Any Big Black fans
want to buy a copy of the original 1981 release of "Lungs"? Complete with
Steve Albini's personal rubber-stampings and a baggie of someone's hair?
"I'm a STEELWORKER, I kill what I eat. Big black thing crawling all over
me!"

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris


Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:56:42 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: reviews for the people


Wahoo, a spandibular, spectrasonic reviewfest from e. On behalf of all of
us, thanks! And well written to boot. As a matter of fact, the Modula Green
review was so gripping that I feel compelled to give them a listen. Only
you forgot to mention what label they're on. Is this an obscure Fax release
of which only 150 were made and I will be forced to pay you $500 for it
when you auction it off ten years from now (during a period where the list
will be grumbling about how 4AD isn't releasing any great stuff like those
old classics by Scheer and Tarnation, consarn it.)

Jens needs to know.

Thanks for forwarding the private mail, btw. Personal to mr. fossum: your
caps lock key is stuck. (The online equivalent of your fly being unzipped.)

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 02:05:15 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: jane siberry and kate bush

              Skaletsky" at Aug 18, 95 11:21:43 pm

>  me! having been a fan of kate bush since first
> hearing her album _Lionheart_, i always knew kate was a little,
> um...wacky, but _The Red Shoes_ definitely took the cake...heh, i
> didn't even end up buying kate bush's last album...i was so upset
> by the utter lameness of "eat the music" that i refused to hand money
> over for more of those goofy songs! what happened to songs like "the
> hounds of love" and "cloudbusting"???

You missed out. "Rubberband Girl", "And So Is Love", "Moments of
Pleasure" (which is great, and almost like to make me cry sometimes), Big
Stripey Lie (okay, that one is kinda silly, but it's cool to hear Kate
jam on the guitar)...

TRS is a *good* album. (Not a great album, but very very good). Kate's
always had her wacky songs... Delius, anyone? And, every once in a while,
there's a song that just doesn't work (most of Lionheart I've heard,
"Reaching Out"... and I could have gone FOREVER without hearing "Why
Should I Love You" (and am very very glad that it was NOT in "The Line,
the Cross, and the Curve")), but that happens to everyone.

Take this with a grain of salt: this is a message from someone who likes
_The Sensual World_ just as well as _Hounds of Love/The 7th Wave_ and
whose favorite Kate album is _The Dreaming_.

--


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 00:16:23 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Love Spirals Downward.. also the Trouser Press Guide..


        Maybe this info will be of some use to someone.

Last night on the radio show Generation Death [The goth show at my school's
station, KSPC, in Claremont (the So. Calif. one)] I heard that
Love Spirals Downward will be the in-studio guests on Thurs. Sept. 14.
Wednesday, the host, said projekt "encouraged" them to go on it.
Since I don't think many people on the list live in the area to be able to
hear the show anyways, it might be more helpful to know that they are supposed
to have a show at the Troubador sometime around then.
(email me if you need any info about the radio show.)

Maybe the darkwave2 fellow can just post all their tour dates so we can
quit finding out about them bit by bit.

I happened to read in the LA Times that the fellow who wrote the Trouser
Press Guides is working on the next book, to be printed next year. The less
than good news, for those who are familliar with, swear by, etc. these books
is that it will consist of entirely new entries, covering music since 1991 or
so, or since Nirvana's _Never Mind_, as the columnist put it.

-nick

I just saw that Einsturzende Neubauten's _Haus der Luge_ and _Funf auf der
Rickterslasen_ (Please pardon my ignorance of German spelling) are released
domestically on Aug. 22! Some of the bestest masterpieces of industrial
music.. of all time! Everyone, get excited! Someone tie me up so I don't
spend money I don't have.


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 04:37:32 -0400
From: Einexile@AOL.COM
Subject: this really is a test for real this time


Test for David Olson. Also to see what my AOL posts to mailing lists look
like. Sorry if this pisses anyone off.

Bonus shit for my faithful test post readers!

****einexile the meek's Autechre Buyer's Guide v1.0 (see the ratings faq for
an explanation of the "on a scale from one to ten" rating system)****

Incunabula         9
Basscad,ep       7
Anti ep              7
Amber              10
Garbage           10

****einexile the meek's FAX Buyer's Guide v1.0****

Fax Compilation                9
Air                                  10
Air II                               10
Alien Community             10
Alien Community II            8
Zenith                              8
Silence                            6
Silence II                          7
Xangadix                          7
Sad World                       6
Sad World II                     6
62 Eulengasse                 9
Kooler                             8
Fanger & Siebert              9
Modula Green                  10
Koolfang                          9
Oskar Sala                      9
Solphax                           8
Jet Chamber                    10
Namlook X                       10
Autumn                            8
Fax Compilation II             7

I know, my columns are all messed up! =)


Hi everyone,

    e, who just woke up


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:05:21 +330
From: "V.Falahati" (FALAHATI@CD.GU.AC.IR)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


> Hi,
>
> Sorry about this, but I seem to have lost the details of how to
> unsubscribe from this mailing list.
>
> Could someone please send me the details...
>
> Cheers,
> Joolz
> --
> ******************JOOLZ THE JET GIRL******cei308@coventry.ac.uk**************
> ***       "If I could have my way, I'd be sleeping in the alley,          ***
> ***  On a couch with a friend and a bottle of gin..." - Melissa Etheridge ***
> *****************************************************************************

Hi,
    You can send a message to LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU and write in
    mail body
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   to unsubscribe you.

good luck,
Amir.


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:04:37 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: 4AD Mail Order/FTWW


You can subscribe to all releases, or just the one on cd/cds, vinyl only,
video, v23, 7" singles etc.

They will send every release, on the format you request, the week of
release and charge it to your credit card.
All packages will be send Recorded Delivery. You will be send limited
editions instead of standard versions (where applicable) unless otherwise
stated. You can cancel the subscription at any time by informing 4AD in
writing.

All you need is a Subscription Form. Write to 4AD Mail Order to get one.

*** 4AD Mail Order, PO Box 3813, London, SW18 1XE, UK ***

The service has not started yet, the first release will be Lisa Gerrard's
Mirror Pool album (August 22).

Track listing Body Shop thing:
VARIOUS '...I Think I'm Getting The Hang Of It' (PRO-CD 7625) Aug 1995
01. LISA GERRARD - Sanvean
02. AIR MIAMI - Dolphin Expressway
03. LIQUORICE - Cheap Cuts
04. HEIDI BERRY - Miracle
05. SCHEER - Sometimes
06. THE WOLFGANG PRESS - Christianity (Wicked Man Remix)
07. TARNATION - Well
08. KENDRA SMITH - Valley Of The Morning Sun
09. RED HOUSE PAINTERS - Cabezon
10. MOJAVE - Untitled
Promo/freebie 'current and forthcoming albums' sampler. Given away at 'The
Body Shop'. Last track not credited.

So it's not the same one...


Emiel Efdee

My Internet Server had a Link Down (whatever that means) so the URL I
mentioned (my little 4AD-page) could not be contacted.

The Link is Up again, so: http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/4AD.html

Use Netscape

Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:19:40 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: FACING THE WRONG WAY


Er... I should answer this one to,

>can you order it seperately, or is it just being included with orders?

NO, you can NOT order this cd seperatly, it's a promo so it's not for sale
I recieved it with an order.

BUT it will in the 'marketplace' soon I think.
In a few days someone in this mailing list opens an auction for this thing,
so ereryone can bid and there will be updates posted every hour. So we can
start a discussion about this methode - if it's right or wrong to do this
in the mailing list... :)


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:39:43 +0100
From: "Andrew W." (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Simon Larbalestier/v23


Okay, something of interest to all of you who are at least partially=20
attracted to the covers of all those 4AD tracks you possess.
=20
   * * * The Art and Craft of Montage   by   Simon Larbalestier * * *
         publisher: Mitchell Beazley  1993   ISBN 1 85732 099 9

This costs =A316.99 Sterling in the UK, and has taken me a while to track=
=20
down myself, alerted by an artist friend who contributed to the book...

Simon has contributed lots of photograph and montage work ideas to=20
v23/Vaughan Oliver, and many of the 4AD covers bare his work and credits.=
=20
For example, the dog on the Pixies' Here Comes Your Man was one of his=20
earlier pieces.
=20
Here is a snip from the dust jacket;

"Contemporary artists are exploiting innovative collage techniques and=20
materials to advance the art of montage beyond simple cut-and-paste=20
methods to encompass photocopier art and photographic manipulations. The=20
stimulating results can be seen on pop-music packaging, advertising=20
posters and magazine covers.

An inspiring guide to this fascinating medium, The Art and Craft of=20
Montage offers practical information on a wealth of modern and=20
traditional collage techniques from a leading practitioner in the field..."

This means it generally gets dumped in the "Craft" section in bookshops,=20
rather than in "Art" where I've been looking......

I'm telling you all this because I reckon this is a good buy. It has some=
=20
144 pages and the book is a little wider than A4, in full colour. There=20
are easily more colour plates than text, which is still informative and=20
gives all the secrets away as to how the covers always look so ethereal.
If you've ever looked in detail at the 4AD calenders, you'll see plenty of
names like Terry Dowling (lectures at Newcastle Poly, where Vaughan did =20
his degree), Russell Mills (another lecturer), Shinro Ohtake (whose work
Kristen Hersh adores, and was given some original pieces as a present from
Vaughan) and Simon Larbalestier himself. The book contains loads of work by=
=20
Simon, as well as contributions from the above artists, and others in the=
=20
field. You'll recognise a few of the designs, and be introduced to the=20
work of equally impressive artists such as Danusia Schejbal, Jon Boatfield =
and=20
Andrew Hirniak.

I personally bought the book for an insight into the techniques Simon=20
has developed, such as his use of colour and varnishes, and his montages of=
=20
printed scraps of paper and found images (remember the 'eyes' he used=20
in the Pixies albums?, see p112 for details!) But it's also an extention=20
of my 4AD collection, with plenty of pictures to compliment the covers.=20
The text (which includes the history of montage and collage, as well as=20
information on use of paper and mechanical reproduction) gives the book=20
perhaps more depth and detail than the otherwise excellent "This Rimy=20
River" by v23 that some of us (myself included) have shelled out for.

I suspect the print run was fairly limited, but if you can't get the book=
=20
from book stores in the US, you could try the publishers;

                       Mitchell Beazley International Ltd
                       Michelin House
                       81 Fulham Road
                       London SW3 6RB

Or maybe from Simon himself...

                       Simon Larbalestier
                       12 Longstone Road
                       London SW17 9BN

Hope this is of interest. I'm sorry if this isn't philosophical enough=20
*kelli* but I left my adjectives at home...I agree with your comments=20
about the lack of such things on the list recently. Ah well.

Andrew


Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:46:12 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: anita lane (was reviews....)


>On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, blueeyes.brownhair wrote:
>
>> tracks 10-13 from "dirty sings"
>> track 4 from "tabla rasa"
>> track 5 from die haut's "head on"
>> track 14 is a birthday party song
>
>I am told that one of the tracks is from 'ghosts...' Does this mean An
>Ambush of Ghosts? I can't find her on here anywhere, nor do I see
>Humberstone/Humberstone anywhere in your message. ;) Thank you for the
>track listing.
>
>> i haven't listened to this in a longlong time, so i just threw it on.
>> wow, i love sexual healing! :)
>
>My heart skipped a beat when I saw that listed! Fukkin YUM, man!
>
>> ....this is really great.  the world's a
>> girl has this epic little piano tune.  really an epic kind of nick cave
>> song but with lane singing. (well, i guess e. already knows this...)
>
>Not an epic kind of Nick Cave song!
>
>> dirty sings isn't that great, hmmmm let's listen to the b.party
>> song....scary! fucking great.....'he's got bigbig boots on...'  well,
>> what can i say....it's the birthday party. wait, this dirty sings stuff
>> is kind of nice....i don't have time for a good review right now, sorry.
>
>This will do me just fine!
>
>> e., i'll tape this for you if you'd like, just let me know....
>
>Many thanks for the offer. I think I have nailed down a copy for myself
>already. God damn it this list rules! I shall fire a copy of Paradise
>Discotheque in your direction if you find you are in need of one. Just
>give the word.
>
>>         .whydofishdie..........mark.
>
>Swallowed a fly? :)
>
>
> e, who, i will warn you, is slow with dubs...




einexlie wrote:

Nick Cave is indeed a contender but
>are you familiar with Crime and the City Solution? That is where this
>stuff comes from. C&CS blow Nick Cave and his rubber duck out of the
>bathtub. I strongly recommend Paradise Discotheque if you have not heard
>it. Now there is one gorgeous banging jamboree of an album--what Henry's
>Dream almost was but which Nick Cave always drags down somehow. Not to
>knock him but Crime and the City Solution inhabit the same territory and
>eat him alive.

How can you say that Crime is better than Nick?While Nick still holds on to
the sound ala the Birthday Party's "The Bad Seed"even as recent as "Tender
Prey",C&CS evolved into a somewhat goth country band by the time "Paradise
Discotheque"came out.By that time,Simon Bonney had found Hank Williams.If
anything,C&CS's finer moments were early on with "The Dangling Man"EP and
"Just South of Heaven"LP(mind you,both of these had Rowland S.Howard
playing guitar)

Speaking of Rowland,his group,These Immortal Souls,still seemed to be the
template that C&CS subscribed to,musically,until the last album.Face
it,Nick and Rowland has and still run rings around Simon....

but then again,this is just my 2 cents...


s

stylised deformity..don't look back,you were dead from the
beginning-Godflesh


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