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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 23:09:22 -0500
>There's also "Out of the Trees", which is a compilation of "Huremics" and
>"Vibrating Air". I don't know if this is what you where talking about, but
>they have an album that I think is called "Why Worry?" (or maybe that's one
>of the songs from it) that came out on a non-4AD label. It's in the eyesore
>database too, I think.
I just got an EP of theirs called "who says so?" on
the red flame label, i thought it was post-4AD material
but i guess it's pre-4AD? i don't know- when i bought
it the guy said it was "a dif juz EP" and as i didn't
have any, i thought why not? it's very nice.
is "out of the trees" a CD compilation? or vinyl only?
the CD version of extractions has two songs from each of
the two eps- kind of frustrating.
-fh
[email protected]
oh! "who says so?" is from 1983- that's pre-4AD, then.
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:43:13 +0100
I'm probably aiming this question at UK members but does anyone still get
stuff through the post from 4ad Mail Order like info on new
releases/deletions or the odd postcard. Since I moved house in January I
haven't received anything and I'm upset. I would like to get a Christmas
Card this year as it usually doubles the total number I receive.
In the latest issue of Vox (October with David Bowie) 4ad have an advert
to say that a lot of 4ad back-catalogue is available at a special price
and with each purchase you get a free CD (the one everyone been talking
about I presume) with Air Miami, Scheer, Tarnation, Lisa gerrard etc.
This promotion is only available from Virgin and Chain with no Name.
Shame there's no Virgin in York.
'H' Cambridge
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:50:28 +0200
>I'm probably aiming this question at UK members but does anyone still get
>stuff through the post from 4ad Mail Order like info on new
>releases/deletions or the odd postcard. Since I moved house in January I
>haven't received anything and I'm upset. I would like to get a Christmas
>Card this year as it usually doubles the total number I receive.
This is what I got this year:
Belly 'King' fold out card/ in February
Joe Friday mail Order Information No.2 card and some press info/ in April
Liquorice 'Listening Cap' b&w release info /in June
free Scheer 7" EP (SCHEER 1) /in July
>In the latest issue of Vox (October with David Bowie) 4ad have an advert
>to say that a lot of 4ad back-catalogue is available at a special price
>and with each purchase you get a free CD (the one everyone been talking
>about I presume) with Air Miami, Scheer, Tarnation, Lisa gerrard etc.
>This promotion is only available from Virgin and Chain with no Name.
>Shame there's no Virgin in York.
The CD is available from August 29, isn't it?
Frank
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At 10:58 PM 8/13/95, adam wrote:
>That exactly why the big thing known as a subject heading is such a
>valuable reference my peeved friend, it relieves you from having to deal
>with by simply pressing the delete key.
Spare me the "delete key" thing, I've been hearing it for twelve years and
counting. (Incidentally, I have yet to use a mail program where the Delete
key actually deletes a message you're viewing.) During those years my mail
flow has increased inexorably; when I log in I now usually have about 100
messages. And that's just my home mail, I won't even talk about work.
This is mail I have to download over a modem at 14kbaud, too.
With large amounts of mail, it gets really onerous to have to wade through
it all individually and figure out which messages are useless spam and nuke
them. Sure, I could rig up a filter to kill anything with the word "sale"
in it, but maybe I do want to read about the sales themselves, just not the
inevitable misdirected follow-ups.
It's simple: Sending people mail they don't want it is bad netiquette.
Telling them that the failure is theirs is even worse.
My final telling point about the "just use the delete key argument":
This is the EXACT SAME argument the "direct" (junk) mail industry uses to
tell us why there's really nothing wrong with their service -- it's so
incredibly useful to us to get dog food ads in the mail, and if we don't
like it we can just throw the mail away. Please. Adam, you're a junk
mailer. Do you like getting those damn things from Advo in the mail every
day? I thought not.
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__________________________ And music is coming from the houses
http://www.inow.com/~jens/ Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
--Karen Peris
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:16:41 -0600
I would also like to know more about this band. They sound alot like
TMC. Does anybody out there have any info?
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:21:50 -0600
Are there any other dates for this "tour"? Specifically in the
Richmond, VA area? I love LSD and I just got the Lovesliescrushing cd,
not immediately great, but it's growing on me. I want to see them live
DAMNIT! Make them come here! Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:26:08 -0600
The new that dog is a pretty decent album. I work at a Tower and we
have it in the playbin. Pretty good stuff. I like the addition of the
violin to the mix, it adds a distinctive tinge to the album, a
distinctive trademark to set it apart. It ain't half bad.
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:46:45 -0600
IMHO: Stereolab starting points: Random Transient noise bursts with
announcements...................OR -> the groop played space age bachelor
pad music. Either one of these is a good place to start.
Will, still waiting for Hurricane Felix to come ashore, if it ever does....
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:12:21 -0400
I recall some discussion a while back about Cocteau
Twins bootleg CD's. There was a "rare tracks compilation CD
mentioned, I know that.
Over the weekend I picked up a CT boot called "Pearly
Pink & White." It's a recording of a show in New
Orleans on 2/28/94. I don't remember if anyone had
mentioned this one before.
The sound quality is really pretty good, with the exceptions
of brief audio drop outs in a couple tracks.
The track list is: pur / pitch the baby / heaven or las
vegas / for phoebe still a baby / know who you are at every
age / road, river & rail / evangeline / whales tails /
carolyn's fingers / bluebeard / summerhead / iceblink luck /
blue bell knoll / cico buff / a kissed out red floatboat /
ella megalast burls forever / pink orange red
the disc is on the Tornado label (TOR025).
--phil
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:15:57 -0700
>In the latest issue of Vox (October with David Bowie) 4ad have an advert
>to say that a lot of 4ad back-catalogue is available at a special price
>and with each purchase you get a free CD (the one everyone been talking
>about I presume) with Air Miami, Scheer, Tarnation, Lisa gerrard etc.
>This promotion is only available from Virgin and Chain with no Name.
>Shame there's no Virgin in York.
You don't know if this applies to Virgin U.S. too, do you?
Jake
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:07:46 -0400
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:32:57 -0700
You wrote:
>
>At 10:58 PM 8/13/95, adam wrote:
>>That exactly why the big thing known as a subject heading is such a
>>valuable reference my peeved friend, it relieves you from having to
deal
>>with by simply pressing the delete key.
>
>Spare me the "delete key" thing, I've been hearing it for twelve years
and
>counting. (Incidentally, I have yet to use a mail program where the
Delete
>key actually deletes a message you're viewing.) During those years my
mail
>flow has increased inexorably; when I log in I now usually have about
100
>messages. And that's just my home mail, I won't even talk about work.
>This is mail I have to download over a modem at 14kbaud, too.
>With large amounts of mail, it gets really onerous to have to wade
through
>it all individually and figure out which messages are useless spam and
nuke
>them. Sure, I could rig up a filter to kill anything with the word
"sale"
>in it, but maybe I do want to read about the sales themselves, just
not the
>inevitable misdirected follow-ups.
>It's simple: Sending people mail they don't want it is bad netiquette.
>Telling them that the failure is theirs is even worse.
>
>My final telling point about the "just use the delete key argument":
>This is the EXACT SAME argument the "direct" (junk) mail industry uses
to
>tell us why there's really nothing wrong with their service -- it's so
>incredibly useful to us to get dog food ads in the mail, and if we
don't
>like it we can just throw the mail away. Please. Adam, you're a junk
>mailer. Do you like getting those damn things from Advo in the mail
every
>day? I thought not.
>
>__________
>Jens Alfke|__________________ "In this story we sit down on Luna
Bridge
> [email protected]| And catch snow in our cupped hands
> __________________________ And music is coming from the houses
> http://www.inow.com/~jens/ Or it sings inside me. I begin to
mend."
> --Karen
Peris
>
It may be "junk mail" as you say but I think the people who auction
stuff off on this list are providing a service. Bitch to Ivo about
4AD's crappy distribution and "limited edition" merchandise instead of
the members of this list who are willing to part with their rare stuff.
Its the ar types on this list who are more interested in hoarding the
rare stuff who have a problem with the auctions. I agree that people
should not respond to the list: this is for private email but I see no
problem with one or two auction updates.
As far as current discussion goes on the list: what has 4AD put out
recently that even warrants discussion? the new Liquorice? jeez.. some
of the most boring crap I have heard in years..
Rob
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:13:03 -0700
> I just got an EP of theirs called "who says so?" on
> the red flame label, i thought it was post-4AD material
> but i guess it's pre-4AD? i don't know- when i bought
> it the guy said it was "a dif juz EP" and as i didn't
> have any, i thought why not? it's very nice.
> is "out of the trees" a CD compilation? or vinyl only?
> the CD version of extractions has two songs from each of
> the two eps- kind of frustrating.
Hmmm... I'm not sure about this one. The copy I have is on vinyl. Yeah,
the other four songs are worth getting "Out of the Trees" for, though. I
like them a lot.
> oh! "who says so?" is from 1983- that's pre-4AD, then.
During, Actually. Out of the Trees and Vibrating Air came before, and
Extractions came after.
Jake
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:59:06 -0400
I am offering to the highest bidder the David Sylvian, five
cd box set including booklet and poster. Please respond to me directly
and not via the list. Thank you.
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:37:52 -0500
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone could help me find a good band name. A coulple
>> of friends and I are starting a new dreampop-ish band, and I find it easier
>> to write songs when I have a band name. I don't know why, but it's just
>> easier. Well anyway, that's about it. Thank you in advance. If we choose
>> the band name you gave, I'll be sure to include you in the credits when we
>> put something out! (WOW, how's that for incentive?!?)
>
How about "Roach Motel"
the list goes on:
Arnold's Playpen
Slowdive USA (just kidding)
Fuzzy Navel
Lint
Flea Market
God's Body Shop
Hazelnut Pete and the Coffeecakes
The Fleapowder Incident (I don't know where this obsession with flea powder
comes from)
Or how about "Cassette Demagnatizer and Head Cleaner," that way, maybe
you'd sell a couple of tapes to people who just wanted to clean out their
tape deck.
Oh hell, just make one up. How hard can it be?
I once heard of a band called "Max Weber and the Charismatics." My
Sociology prof told me about them.
bye,
eric
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:14:39 -0700
>Over the weekend I picked up a CT boot called "Pearly
>Pink & White." It's a recording of a show in New
>Orleans on 2/28/94. I don't remember if anyone had
>mentioned this one before.
How funny...my girlfriend just picked up this CD for me yesterday at a
local indie music store. It is of excellent sound quality, although
I must admit how distressed I was to discover that Elizabeth Fraser can't
sing live. :( Although some of the tunes such as "The Itchy Glowbo Blow"
sound okay on the CD, others like "Heaven or Las Vegas" are completely
trashed by her (often off-key) over-improvisation.
On the other hand, Robin and Simon sound impeccable--their bass and guitars
can't be beat. I'm stuck--should I take it back or keep it? *Sigh*
Disappointed,
--Mike
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:41:20 -0700
>At 10:58 PM 8/13/95, adam wrote:
>>That exactly why the big thing known as a subject heading is such a
>>valuable reference my peeved friend, it relieves you from having to deal
>>with by simply pressing the delete key.
sometime later jans responded:
>My final telling point about the "just use the delete key argument":
>This is the EXACT SAME argument the "direct" (junk) mail industry uses to
>tell us why there's really nothing wrong with their service -- it's so
>incredibly useful to us to get dog food ads in the mail, and if we don't
>like it we can just throw the mail away. Please. Adam, you're a junk
>mailer. Do you like getting those damn things from Advo in the mail every
>day? I thought not.
Jans, calling sale items that are relevant to this list "junk" mail is a
bit harsh my friend.
If my so called junk mailing is so horrendous to you then why turn around
and junk mail your opinion to the whole list? respond to me privately next
time instead of annoying the whole list...
geez at least I'm posting something of value.
Adam
ps. sorry about hypocritically posting this retaliation to the whole list,
but I thought it was a damn good comeback.
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:45:40 -0700
Forwarded stuff from the Bel Canto list. Yayness.
e
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Just a short note that I've finished the OCR'ing of the interview in Beat
magazine. It's in norwegian only. I've made a small web-page which contains
the inteview and a picture I scanned from a newspaper (Dagbladet sep. 9
1993). Plus some links of course...
I think it should work ok. I don't have the time do more right now (which is
why I'm posting from a different address too btw.), so don't be surprised if
you find some weird "last modified" dates etc. :)
The page is at:
-Thomas
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Thomas Rinnan wrote:
> The latest issue of the norwegian music-magazine Beat has lots of BC
> stuff. I haven't had time to read it yet, but I think there is both
> interview and pictures. I'll probably be able to OCR the interview, but=
> I don't have the time or skill to translate it. Any voluntaries?
I guess I can do that (translate it, I mean). I just did a translation
of the "M=E5nelyst" Bel Canto interview, and the Beat interview would be
an interesting challenge.
> PS The new album is called Magic Box.
And the release date is September 16. The first single is called
"Rumour", but nobody seems to know when it'll be released.
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:55:34 -0700
Okay, so here's the deal. I have been cooped up for a month, bored,
drugged out of my skull, overdosing on Fax music. My girlfriend gets the
flu for a week, then I get the flu for a week, then I think I am
invincible so I go out and kick around town and get the crap new
Swervedriver single and fucking bronchitis. Which I just got back this
morning, by the way, thank you very much, and I guess I deserve it.
But yesterday I all was better, and so, more out of spite than
celebration, I walked the length of the city, ate fat laden food twice,
and blew a hundred dollars on records...and here is what I have
discovered, O beloved captive audience of mine.
...think I'm getting the hang of it
-----------------------------------
You Unrest people, I swear to God. That band had Imperial and Isabel and
June and Love to Know and THAT was IT. I do not understand you, but it
figures you all think Air Miami are boring. This is good pop. The song on
AVAM was good pop. I am again pleasantly surprised by this continuing
development. No big stylistic awakening, just a catchy song with a nice
chorus and nice harmonies, a good atmosphere, plus it kind of rocks.
Lighten up, guys. :)
And then there's Heidi Berry. If anything, she's dependable. Here we have
your basic and unsurprising post-Love Heidi Berry song, a little better
than what was on the self-titled album, but it basically goes nowhere
and it's hard to care much about.
Scheer. Ivo Lorelei was right: Sheer suck. I don't know what the hell the
folks at 4AD are thinking but this will definitely do for a death knell
until the real think comes along. This song is nothing but trashy heavy
metal! Maybe it has been too long since we had to listen to trashy heavy
metal on the radio, on TV, all day long...but I don't want to be
reminded, in this way, by what was once my favorite label, why they were
once my favorite label. (Because they didn't put out garbage like this.)
And then we have a Christianity remix which is thoroughly disappointing.
The best things about that song (and indeed about post-Bird-Wood-Cage
TWP) were the percussion and the groovy guitars, and instead of playing
these up, they were taken out and replaced with noise, comatose guitar
fuzz, the sound of scratching vinyl, a lame Philip Glass sample. There
are so many talented people making kickass reworkings and brilliant dance
records, why do we always end up with nobody second engineers doing remix
jobs for our beloved ex-4AD bands? Yuck. :(
Tarnation seem like kind of the obligatory 1995 reaffirmation that 4AD is
becoming the world's hippest country and western label. Mother of God, is
there no end to this? Your classic model: The counterculture wins the
battle only to regret its victory, because what really mattered, it turns
out, was not the culture but the counter. Now the rebels revolt against
the revolution and embrace what they had toiled to destroy. How typical.
The song goes on forever, too. This is what the Fields of the Nephilim
will be forced to listen to in hell.
Kendra Smith. More country and western, but a beautiful song that doubles
the quality of her already pretty good album. Not all great downfalls are
without their high points after all.
It occurs to me that 4AD is no longer interested in appealing to its
faithful even on the level of those collectibles and special treats that
God damn them we deserve. Recent samplers present us with a less and less
interesting collection of oddities. Now we have an album full of album
cuts, many of them already easily accessable, two of them having appeared
on a previous sampler. What the hell is going on? They're not any fun
anymore. Record companies have stacks of tapes and CDs laying around with
weird little demo and mix versions and songs that didn't make it and
covers and live shit and radio sessions and you know GOODIES. I swear to
God on my life that they do. 4AD used to give us lucky bastards who found
this stuff GOODIES. Now they give us Mark Kozelek's interpretation of
"The Animal Song".
The only thing remotely wrong with the Mojave song is its affiliation
with this CD and this label. It is the most sublime, wonderful piece of
heaven since Rutti. Prepare to hear Rachel really sing, and I mean really
sing. These vocals are like one of those kisses that shorts out your
brain. Musically, this is not Mazzy Star or The Moon Seven Times; it is
Slowdive not too far removed from Dagger or Here She Comes, throw in
some Simon Bonney and the most lovely, bendy and sad picked guitar
lament. If this is Mojave then good riddance to Slowdive.
Liqourice - Listening Cap
-------------------------
Mein Gott in Himmel, it's Hugo Largo! I swear to God it's Hugo Largo's
ghost on a tire swing with a bb gun. You should see it. I'm not yet
familiar enough with this album to make a judgement but I like it. It's
pretty, it doesn't seem boring, it feels nice, it's not obnoxious, it
doesn't have that bad an attitude. The vocals really are nice and do
remind me of Mimi Goese but also of Bettie Serveert. Sorry, no serene,
murky violin or drop dead basslines so maybe the Serveert comparison is
more appropriate, but here you don't have the heartbreaking sweetness of
some of their songs nor the irritating crassness of others. And Liqourice
are more lively than both Largo and Serveert. They are full of life seen
through clear eyes, like Low with a grip. Sadness and nostalgia but also
fun and competence and nothing pathetic. Not really my cup of tea, to be
honest, but I have to have respect for something so brimming with
honesty, integrity, and seriousness, and yet neither arrogant nor sour
or joyless. Really a very unique and nice accomplishment.
Anita Lane - The World's a Girl
-------------------------------
Finally I have found something by this gorgeous voice. Previously I only
knew her from Einsturzende Neubauten's "Blume" and Nature and
Organization's "A Dozen Winters of Loneliness". Here she is working with
Nick Cave and Crime and the City Solution's Mick Harvey. Harvey has a
marvelous talent for dark, strummy, bangy rural drama. The title track
quakes with piano and violin and Lane croons like some monster I want to
trap in my basement, a sinister Hope Sandoval imported illegally from
somewhere in the orient, smuggled in a small wooden puzzle box only Nick
Cave can open. He joins her on the two b-sides. "I Love You...Nor Do I",
co-written by Harvey as is the title track, is the first time I have been
impressed with Cave in years. The song has a strange, magical atmosphere,
And Also the Trees trapped in the fifties. For the other b-side,
"Bedazzled" (a cover tune?), the duet resumes in a disjointed and short
piece of Sixties psychedelia. Lane can talk-sing with the best of them. I
would love to hear her sing with Davit Tibet or Simon Huw Jones.
Definitely a very yummy single, a mean little teaser for an album I've
wanted for quite a while but can't find. Can someone tell me if the
entire thing is written by her and Harvey? Is this her on the cover of
this single? So many questions. What great fun.
Fanger & Siebert
----------------
I didn't buy this yesterday--it is a relic from my $20,000 FAX purchase a
month ago--but since joanna did mention it I shall agree: Buy it. The
comparisons to Autechre are not unwarranted. Though they aren't nearly as
good (in the judgement of this drooling Autechre fan), Fanger & Siebert
do take you on quite a journey through the same dark, bleepy subspaces.
Jet Chamber
-----------
Better still are Modula Green's _Shellground_ and Jet Chamber by Namlook
and Atom Heart. Jet Chamber sets up an icy, beautiful landscape
reminiscent of Harold Budd's _The White Arcades_ and then grooves with
it, Atom's cool as fuck clicking drum tracks throwing things into motion
and becoming more intense as Namlook's filterwanking sweeps in and
steals the show, and the icy kingdom becomes a wide countryside, a long
journey under the sun. Killer driving music, this, and then it breaks
down to its basic elements, whooshing around through the depths until
almost nothing of it is left, where finally it breaks into another
clickfest and more sweeps, and we go on from there. Really a wonderful
ambient trip, almost pure but for some titles that are taken from
machine parts when they should have told minute hints of great silent
stories.
Modula Green - Shellground
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Modula Green outdo this. Shellground is one hell of an album, boasting
the most unique atmosphere this year except perhaps for Pygmalion--but
even that was rooted in the psychological, while here we have physical
atmospheres, dark underground places full of poisoned gardens and
mythical individuals in hiding. There is so much music here, loop upon
loop in evershifting relationships. It is a deeply emotional album
without roots in the personal, and so it is unlike Pygmalion but rather in
the neighborhood of Black Dog Productions' _Bytes_, Current 93's _Thunder
Perfect Mind_ and _Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre_, The Nephilim,
Medusa, and indeed Autechre's _Amber_. What separates this album from the
rest is the sense of sickness and poison in a context at peace with
itself, an awful food chain that is beautiful because no one knows
better. The result is the kind of feeling you get only from certain books
and video games that totally absorb you, not from music. It's not
normally like this. This is a special event indeed: I speak of nothing
less than the actual creation of a brand new emotion by a work of art.
Shampoo - We Are Shampoo
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Wheee! :)
And in case my Shampoo fetish isn't comic relief enough for ya...
On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, robert fossum wrote:
> FUCK OFF AND EAT SHIT...WHINY LITTLE SOB...YOU ARE PROBABLY THE TYPE
> WHO WANTS TO HOARD OR RATHER "POSSESS" ALL THE RARE STUFF FOR
> YOURSELF..THESE AUCTIONS GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO GET THERE HANDS ON
> SOME OF THE RARE STUFF.. BITCH AT 4AD FOR THERE CRAPPY DISTRIBUTION AND
> NOT THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO SELL THERE RARE STUFF!!!
>
> GET A LIFE WHILE YOUR AT IT...
>
> Rob
> --
I thought a few of you might get a kick out of that. I really hate people
who send me private mail it's obvious I won't enjoy reading. I *will*
post your stupid flames to this list as well as those pathetic "let's
take this to private mail so we don't bother anyone" messages. They are
the ugly, embarrassing side of you I don't want to see, and I will make
them public whether you think you still own them or not. No one cares
about your flames (or bids) if they are accompanied by relevant,
readable, thislisty material (including cute jokes), so don't use
bandwidth as an excuse to shoot off your wad where no one can see you,
because I see through it.
That said, I think the observations on the state of this list as well as
the state of the thislisty are almost all correct on some or other level.
There is some hellishly good music out there right now, but also a great
plague of failure among the once great, which is breeding despair all
around. Keep your heads above the water and look for new sources. 4AD has
a foot firmly planted in its grave, but what it once represented is still
alive and well and even flourishing, and if sought out will reward.
einexile the vilexile, truly an enemy of the people
mojave review forthcoming, the gods willing
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:54:14 -0700
> is there anybody else who was confused by the
> last kate bush album? i wonder if brant means
> the sensual world AND the red shoes- i liked TSW
> but red shoes seems to be for 35 year old women
> only... i'm kind of hoping she'll record her next
> album drunk, because this one was way too serious.
Well, as the token 35 year old woman on 4Ad-l
(okay, I'm 36 now, but so what) I would like to go
on record saying that I hated the Red Shoes and
loved the Sensual World. The Red Shoes was
apalling and depressing for reasons I won't even go
into here, while The Sensual World was joyous,
worldly, exultant and a host of other things.
And, if I'd had a chance to actually read my mail for
the last month, maybe I could add something else,
but hell, all I can vaguely remember is something
about auctioning CDs . . . I'm just holding my my breath
until I get my hands on The Mirror Pool.
Juliet
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:06:25 -0700
Reichert on Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:13:03 -0700)
>
>Jake
>Jake Reichert | Your talk is so terribly tired/
>[email protected] | Yeah, it's verbal chloroform
> | -Liquorice
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> "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
>B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family
>======================================= Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus
>| /| | /\ | |----\ | Michael Brook | Spirea X
>| / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox
>| / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz
>| /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | Pixies
>| | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | The The
>| | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Swallow
>====================================== Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S
>Ultra Vivid Scene | Liquorice | The Birthday Party | Unrest
>Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil
>The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | HIs Name Is Alive | Pale Saints
>The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman
> "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"
>
Please, do us all a favour and limit your signature to 4 or 5 lines...
this really is overkill.
--Mike
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:22:31 -0700
On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, adam wrote:
> sometime later jans responded:
^^^^
[snip]
> Jans, calling sale items that are relevant to this list "junk" mail
^^^^
edem, do you even read this mailing list?
> If my so called junk mailing is so horrendous to you then why turn around
> and junk mail your opinion to the whole list?
Because this list is discussing your junk mailings and Jens' opinions are
valued here.
> respond to me privately next
> time instead of annoying the whole list...
> geez at least I'm posting something of value.
No you're not. You're posting a veiled flame in which you seem
intentionally to avoid the issue and misrepresent Jens' argument.
> ps. sorry about hypocritically posting this retaliation to the whole list,
> but I thought it was a damn good comeback.
You *are* a hypocrite. You did something that by your own standard is
wrong and a waste of people's time. Not only this, but you admitted to
it, all while wrongly accusing someone else of doing the same thing. Oh,
but we shall make an exception for you here, because in this case you
strongly approved of what you wrote! Pathetic.
bitter sob story Edem offered as a defense of his actions, and joanna's
comment about USC's tuition was irrelevant except insofar as it was
somewhat telling. I have basically come to two conclusions:
1. Almost the entire list is crying out in protest. We are correct to do
so and have a right to do so, and our criticisms are valid and good
for the list and for the internet in general.
2. Everyone else feels cheated in life and is using the tired old
"posting about bandwidth is a waste of bandwidth" argument as a
springboard to bitch about how hard their existence is. It's lame.
Cut it out.
ainaxila
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:45:08 -0500
Have any of you seen/bought the new singles/rarities compilation
"B.P.M."? The Catalog says 10 songs, Mark told me 15 songs, and
no one will tell me what the tracks are and where they originally
appeared...Can anyone tell me? Is it worth getting?
Also, has anyone heard the new TeenBeat project Tel Aviv? the catalog
says they sound like Unrest and Rodan (quiet), or something like
that. Should I (as a fan of the UNREST-SOUND) bother getting this
7"?
thanks
mike
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 00:54:31 +0200
Whaw, I had luck ! I purchased a second-hand Holding Our Breath EP for
only 99 Belgian Francs (nearly 2 pounds or $3,25) one year ago !!!
It was in some stupid record shop (for the Benelux people on the list :
Free Record Shop).
Someone sold me I'll Be Your Saint for 100 Belgian Francs ...
By the way, does anyone know where I can find the EP with the Pale
Saints cover of "Kinky Love" ?
> Adorable
> "I'll Be Your Saint" EP $8.00
> Slowdive
> "Holding Our Breath" EP $55.00
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:46:40 -0600
On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> Anita Lane - The World's a Girl
[stuffdeleted]
> Definitely a very yummy single, a mean little teaser for an album I've
> wanted for quite a while but can't find. Can someone tell me if the
> entire thing is written by her and Harvey? Is this her on the cover of
> this single? So many questions. What great fun.
alright, here's what i know....
i've got "dirty pearl", a collection of things from 82-93 including
'Blume' among others. it came out in 93 on mute (CDSTUMM81).
here's the tracklisting:
jesus almost got me (lane/harvey)
the groovy guru (lane/harvey)
sexual healing (gaye/brown/rix)
blume (lane, bargeld/unruh, chung, hacke, bargeld, einheit)
subterranean world (how long....?) (lane, bargeld/arbeit, dreher, lingk,
wydler)
picture of mary (lane/bargeld)
the world's a girl (lane/harvey)
stories of your dreams (lane/hacke)
a prison in the desert (bargeld, cave, harvey)
if i should die (lane/adamson)
i'm a believer (lane/lane, cave)
lost in music (edwards/rogers)
sugar in a hurricane (lane/beale, harvey)
the fullness of his coming (lane/cave)
tracks 10-13 from "dirty sings"
track 4 from "tabla rasa"
track 5 from die haut's "head on"
track 14 is a birthday party song
i haven't listened to this in a longlong time, so i just threw it on.
wow, i love sexual healing! :) the die haut song is a duet between
bargeld and lane, and is quite good, a rock song, but nice. picture of
mary is slow and intense, tragic....this is really great. the world's a
girl has this epic little piano tune. really an epic kind of nick cave
song but with lane singing. (well, i guess e. already knows this...)
stories of your dreams is slow with a violin
with a slightly annoying little chrous. if i remember right the stuff from
dirty sings isn't that great, hmmmm let's listen to the b.party
song....scary! fucking great.....'he's got bigbig boots on...' well,
what can i say....it's the birthday party. wait, this dirty sings stuff
is kind of nice....i don't have time for a good review right now, sorry.
e., i'll tape this for you if you'd like, just let me know....
.whydofishdie..........mark.
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:00:28 -0700
People, we're wasting time on this thread. I know I'm wasting time here too
right now. But please, can't we just give it a rest? By now anyone who's
going to be convinced one way or the other about etiquette regarding
postings about auctions already has been. Now this "discussion" has
degenerated into backbiting and nitpicking. I'm not making a case here for
person X or Y or Z; I think this started out as a valid thread and has just
gotten redundant and petty now. The bottom line is, continuing this thread
isn't doing anyone any good. Take your arguments elsewhere. It's no longer
informative or interesting to anyone, including the posters.
Jake
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:48:12 -0700
Hello all,
While lining up an interview with Mojave for the upcoming issue of Whirlpool,
I got the scoop on the lastest release was for their debut cd.
It will either be out October 17th or (gasp) January 12th. The reason for the
long gap if the October date falls through was unknown to the publicity dept.
at this time.
Adam
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:57:37 -0700
My contact at Rough Trade asked me to spread the word
of a new mail order service they have for all of their released.
I seem to recall him saying they set it up mainly for
overseas buyers who have trouble finding RT stuff. A nice
gesture. Anyway, I'll post the address and typical prices
as soon as I get home.
cheapest way) to get RT releases you're having trouble finding.
Disco Inferno
Butterfly Child
Shelleyan Orphan
Daniel Figgis (the review I posted earlier)
Swallow (only the Hush ep)
AR Kane
So I'm off. The address is nearly here.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:24:48 -0700
I found a 4AD-L Hypertext Mail Archive (by week) at:
bye
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 21:39:43 -0500
well, i wouldn't expect anyone to trust my taste, and i certainly have
no faculties for putting my love of these two bands new albums into
words. but if you were worried by Long FIn Killie ( well, the name is
enough, innit? ) but genereally dig too pure odd stuff ( like Pram ) i
say go find yourself 'Houdini'. weird and odd, in an indie rock vein -
and has the extra bonus of caustic spitting mark e. smith backups on
one tune. hmm, now i feel i should describe it, it has that
something that just said 'special'. but then again, it could be awful, who
i am to say. but its out domestically in the US and probably the best
US release thing i have purchased in quite some time.
Delicatessen get my adoration for naming a song "C.F. Kane", and
having a catchy chorus in that same song.
oh, teh album is called 'skin touching water'
my music loving friends and i agree that these two bands are the cool
ones to watch out for. when you think there is nothing that sounds new,
then perhaps try to listen to one of these in a store.
beats me why i am even talking about it. i think if you were trying
to decide to plunk down your money on either one, then let it be said
that someone says you are doing the right thing! but i am also
completely obsessed by My Life Story right now, so take it all with a
grian of salt ( as if you hadn't already :) ).
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 04:45:38 +0200
>Have any of you seen/bought the new singles/rarities compilation
>"B.P.M."? The Catalog says 10 songs, Mark told me 15 songs, and
>no one will tell me what the tracks are and where they originally
>appeared...Can anyone tell me? Is it worth getting?
'B.P.M. (1991-1994)' (Teenbeat 175) is worth to get, although it's a very
odd mixture of rare and not so rare A- and B-sides, LP cuts and unreleased
tracks. The LP contains 15 tracks, while the CD (in a nice fold-out digipak)
contains 3 additional hidden tracks:
1. June (from the 'Imperial' US LP/CD)
2. Cath Carroll 12" Remix (from 4AD 12"/CD-EP)
3. When It All Comes Down (from the Sub Pop 7")
4. So So Sick (7" B-side)
5. Hydrofoil No.4 (unreleased)
6. Winona Ryder XY Version (from 'Inclined Plane' 7")
7. Winona Ryder XX Version (sung by Bridget, unreleased)
8. Folklore Re-Mix (a remix, by Phil Krauth, of the rare Soil Sample 7" track)
9. Imperial Re-Mix Excerpt (from the 'Imperial' UK LP/CD)
10. Cherry Cherry (Hemiola 7" A-side)
11. Hey London! Re-Mix (track from the 'Mod Fuck Explosion' LP)
12. Bavarian Mods Re-Mix (a remix, by Phil Krauth, of the HMS 7" A-side)
13. Vibe Out 12' Mix (from 4AD 12"/CD-EP)
14. Hi-Tec Theme (unreleased)
15. Wednesday And Proud (Hemiola 7" B-Side)
hidden tracks on CD:
16. Make Out Club Remix (Teenbeat 126c 7" track)
17. Light Command Acoustic (Teenbeat 126c 7" track)
18. Untitled
>Also, has anyone heard the new TeenBeat project Tel Aviv? the catalog
>says they sound like Unrest and Rodan (quiet), or something like
>that. Should I (as a fan of the UNREST-SOUND) bother getting this
>7"?
I assume you mean the Tel Aviv 'Cigarette E.P.' (Teenbeat 183)?
Rodan? No! But if someone would have played this for me and told me that it
was an unreleased early Unrest EP I might have believed him/her. Two
beautiful, quiet songs, a piece of heavy noise and some unidentified
talking. And a lovely, Factory-style sleeve.
Tel Aviv have LP/CD out on Teenbeat in November
Frank
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