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Subject: Re: jane siberry and kate bush
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:55:19 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 00:53:55 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:37:06 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new releases?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:50:40 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: KILL THE AUCTION KIDS!
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:03:22 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: new releases?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:10:17 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Dif Juz
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 03:32:41 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Aurora, HV III
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:44:07 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Xmal Deutschland
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:57:02 -0500
From: GuineaPigGirl **ooeekk** (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: new TM??
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:41:44 -0700
From: darkglassdolleyes (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Nasty A.Mor... poke- was Re: Auction, sale and ARGGH!
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:31:47 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:42:24 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: the gladness of things....(verylong!)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:11:05 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: new releases?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:40:24 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Dif Juz
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:42:55 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: new TM??
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:07:23 -0700
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: No Algonquin Round Table, This.?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:25:12 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: sleepishly drugging his sunken doldrums...
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:59:37 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dif Juz
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:09:24 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: the gladness of things......
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:21:20 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dif Juz
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 23:35:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: No Algonquin Round Table, This.?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:13:21 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Band names and such
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:01:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Band names and such *plus*
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:53:53 -0500
From: GuineaPigGirl **ooeekk** (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: the gladness of things......
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:32:23 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: The Charlatans Discography
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 03:47:21 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:55:19 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: jane siberry and kate bush


Fortunate Hazel  writes:

>     is there anybody else who was confused by the last kate bush
>    album? i wonder if brant means the sensual world AND the red
>    shoes- i liked TSW but red shoes seems to be for 35 year old
>    women only...

Yay! I'm a 35-year-old woman! Finally!

No, really, I kinda liked "The Red Shoes". (I didn't like TSW,
though.) Perhaps it was because I had expected the album to be total
and utter crap, and was pleasantly surprised. In fact, I went around
thinking that TRS was rally good, until one day I made the mistake of
first playing "The Dreaming", then "Hounds of Love", and then "The Red
Shoes". What a downer. It's a totally crap album compared to her good
albums, but it does have a few nice moments here and there...

I really enjoyed "When I Was a Boy", though. "The Vigil" gives me the
shivers, and "Waiting for the World to Begin" is fun, and... it's a
very nice album all over, I find. Lush, melodic, smooth... perhaps a
bit too smooth, actually. There's very little of that strange madness
that seemed to seep through in most of her other albums...

Everything reminds me of my dog...

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars in Geneva


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 00:53:55 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)


> 4ad - i finally picked up a hnia cd: mouth by mouth (due to some
> tracks i received via the great 4ad tape swap).  it was the only one i
> could find locally and i'm impressed.  i tried ordering home is in
> your head, but didn't have any luck.
Yes, yes, yes! someone who isn't cynical about the usefulness of the 4ad-l...
yet. and hasn't started arguing about promos and deluxe cat #'s!
Get  _Home is in Your Head_ very soon and you will not regret it.
Get _King of Sweet_ next if you find it. (I got my copy in Pheonix. A few
weeks ago, visiting Phoenix again, I saw new and _used_ copies of KOS in a
store. What gives! what are they thinking?)

> stereolab - again from the tape swap, i found i liked them.  i picked
> up peng!  i'm impressed.
> could someone mail me a comparitive review of there other albums so
> that i can decide which one to pick up next (and after that, and after
> that, and after that - til i have them all - i'm hooked).

Essential Stereolab:
_Switched on Stereolab_: Get the Slumberland one before it's reissued by
American and save a few $s. The sound is similar to _Peng!_; it's a
compilation of their first three brilliant EPs. The classic, poppy, goovin',
droney Stereolab with melodies you'll sing for days.

_Transient Random Noise Bursts With Announcements_: The title gives something
of a description. The longer tracks just groove forever, taking some
inspiration from Neu! and making it a lot more. There is more noise, more
samples, harsher sounds, with everything orchestrated perfectly.

Less essential, but quite good:
_Mars Audiac Quintet_: Jens always says he doesn't like this one.... I love the
song _Three Dee Melodie_ to death, one of my favorite songs of theirs. This
album is kind of Stereolab lite, leaning more in the Esquivel-la-la direction,
away from TRNBWA. I like it only a little less than the above albums.

The other ones you might want to get to later, or hear before you buy.

If you've been browsing the www, visit the Stereolab site. There's more
discography info and news a fan could want. There are some sound samples too.


hope this helps.
-nick


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:37:06 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Stereolab

              calico extract" at Aug 16, 95 00:53:55 am

a device for squeezing a calico extract  wrote:
 >
 > Essential Stereolab:
 >
 > _Transient Random Noise Bursts With Announcements_: The title
 > gives something of a description. The longer tracks just groove
 > forever, taking some inspiration from Neu! and making it a lot
 > more. There is more noise, more samples, harsher sounds, with
 > everything orchestrated perfectly.

I listened to this a couple of days ago for the first time in ages - I
think it's my least favourite Stereolab album.  "Jenny Ondioline" and
the final three tracks are superb, but the first half of the album is
dull, to my ears.

 >
 > Less essential, but quite good:
 > _Mars Audiac Quintet_: Jens always says he doesn't like this
 > one.... I love the song _Three Dee Melodie_ to death, one of my
 > favorite songs of theirs. This album is kind of Stereolab lite,
 > leaning more in the Esquivel-la-la direction, away from TRNBWA.
 > I like it only a little less than the above albums.

Stereolab's "pop" album.  I love it, but I hope they get back to the
heavier droney style (the limited "Amorphous Body" EP suggests they are
heading in a lighter direction, though).  I'd go for "Mars Audiac" or
"Peng" as an introduction.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 16/08/95
On my walkman this morning : The Fall - The Infotainment Scan
Upon the straits; - on the French coast the light


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:50:40 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: new releases?


just some comments / questions about this here list...

> Re: new releases?
>
> Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@SCF.USC.EDU)

> 5004: Belly "King" (deluxe edition available as a li'l book that
> will
> make your teacher think you're actually studying, when all you're
> doing
> is looking at that cool picture of the bride'n'groom snowstorm)

i never read anybody post about the valentine card that 4ad sent out
about the time this was released (february 14th ish) which had the self
same image on it. did anybody else get one or does somebody at 4ad mail
order fancy me? (unlikely, sigh)

> 5007: Belly "Seal My Fate" (studio, live, limited green vinyl...)

green? all the ones i saw (and the virgin megastore in london had about
50 of the blighters) were all pressed on invisible vinyl. i suppose it
could look green if it was held up to a green light or placed on a
snooker table...
(and there was no actual label, the song titles and such were etched into
the vinyl in the centre of the disc)

> 5009: Lisa Gerrard "The Mirror Pool" (deluxe fold-out digipak
> available)

not out just yet - monday, along with something else.

and why, oh why, is the new luna cd 15 quid at my local our-price?
--
cheers, andyx (a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
ps. we don't like sport of any kind and friends at school were very much
thin on the ground.

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:03:22 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: KILL THE AUCTION KIDS!


Did anyone bother paying any attention at all to the auction bitching
other than the people who were actually bitching about it?

Someone perhaps should have done so.

AFTER THE INITIAL LIST IS POSTED, KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE TO PRIVATE E-MAIL.
THIS IS NOT A POLITE REQUEST. IT IS AN ORDER.

What this mailing list really needs is an admin who reads it, hates bad
netiquette, and kicks people off with abandon. (Just think, you'd be rid
of me!) Anyone wanna move to Hyperreal? :)


 einexile, badass list admin wannabee

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:10:17 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new releases?

              at Aug 16, 95 11:50:40 am

Andrew Dean  wrote:
>
> and why, oh why, is the new luna cd 15 quid at my local our-price?

Because Our Price is the most expensive music shop in Britain.  Support
independent shops instead!  (Even though one of the indie shops here
forgot to put the CD in the box when I bought the new Bjork single
yesterday).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 16/08/95
On my walkman this morning : The Fall - The Infotainment Scan
Upon the straits; - on the French coast the light


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 03:32:41 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Dif Juz


Excuse my ignorance - we in Johannesburg seem to lose touch with what is and wha
 was.  Can somebody please inform me of whereabouts of ex-Juz members and what h
s been offered (4AD or otherwise) by the members. All I possess is "Extractions"

Thanks
Chris


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:44:07 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Aurora, HV III


Any Aurora fans out there?

What's the status on the Heavenly Voices III comp?  Any news?  Discussion kinda
died out around it, but wasn't it supposed to come out this month?  Available
from Projekt?


marvynHortman               ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:57:02 -0500
From: GuineaPigGirl **ooeekk** (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Xmal Deutschland

              95 10:37:06 am

Greetings...
     Of all the referrals I've gleaned from all the This Mortal Coil
stuff, I remember only a little about Deirdre and Louise Rutowski and
nothing about Manuela Rickers and Xmal Deutschland...anyone? Anyone?
Does anyone know what other groups the Rutowski sisters were in?  I
think it came up last fall or so, and my mail file was destroyed :(
                        *premature and frantic thanks*
                                   Kendal

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:41:44 -0700
From: darkglassdolleyes (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: new TM??


        Someone recently mentioned in passing that they "couldn't wait
until the new one comes out in the Fall", or something like that, in
reference to Throwing Muses. Is there anything to this? I know there was
no new TM listed among the upcoming releases thru Spring '96, but I would
still like to know exactly what was meant.

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:31:47 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Nasty A.Mor... poke- was Re: Auction, sale and ARGGH!


under the influence of mexican prescription drugs, Martin Wagner mumbled:

ooh, a jab from one of those half-breed alanis morrisette(sp?) fans.

bad, and we seem to like it that way. as for music, ummmmm, go buy fanger &
siebert. oh wait, this is 4ad...well, go buy it anyway.
.joanna.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
'there're pieces of me you've never seen' - tori amos
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:42:24 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...


under the influence of mexican prescription drugs, josh@ASU.EDU mumbled:

lisa germano 'geek the girl'

maybe guys just don't get it, but it's a very scary album for me to listen
to. i know if i listened to it often enough, i'd want to just crawl into my
bed with old teddy bears and slit my wrists...
.joanna.
who hasn't had a cig yet today

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
'there're pieces of me you've never seen' - tori amos
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:11:05 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: the gladness of things....(verylong!)


....or the state of the musical world in our time.

before you read this, realize that i'm not accusing anyone of anything, just
trying to make a point.  also realize that i am capable of rambling on
overzealously without truly realizing it.

yesterday, after much bitching about how boring and uninspired music is
these days, lars stated that he thought that this is one of the most
exciting times in music ever (although he apparently thinks that all the
time).  well folks, i must agree with the man.

okay, it's not 1985.  4ad has a completely different vision, but there
are some incredible things happening none the less.

here are some releases from the last 12-15 months that are so amazing we
should thank any existing higher beings that we have them....

slowdive-pygmalion, this is a masterpiece you fools, you can't tell me
it's not still holding your attention (for shame!).  you should listen to
this and then write this little equation on the chalkboard in your head
(if you haven't done so already) neil = genius.  yes, he's that good.
now, you should calm down and say that if neil and rachel could succeed
in making 5ep and this record after making incredible swirlieguitar
records then they should certainly be able to make an absolutely amazing
acoustic slide guitar record......rejoice in mojave!  i'm not saying i'll
accept anything they do just because it's neil and rachel, but i say we
start to look forward to things instead of bitching about this or that.
it's time to stop mourning what is past.  i don't really like the idea
that 4ad is signing some mediocre acts, but that's the way it is.  there
is so much wonderful music out there......rejoice in what you have!

cindytalk-wappinschaw, you fools, this has been out since last fall.
fucking incredible!  i still listen to this record at least once a week
if not more.  the whole thing is absolutely captivating.  if you didn't
like earlier cindytalk because it was too harsh (for shame! and for shame
if you don't like the birthday party either!) try out this record as
although bits of it are harsh it has some great quiet moments as well.  i
can not recommend this highly enough.  it's gorgeous,
intelligent.....cathartic.  and if that wasn't enough c.talk's 'in this
world' has just been rereleased via worldserpent distribution. joy!

the innocence mission-glow.  yes, this record is just as beautiful as
their others.  like jens said.....poetic in a way that crystalizes images
in your mind.  i've come to the conclusion that glow is primarily about
childhood....about being amazed by the world, about being full with life
and imagination and about looking at everything anew everyday.  as you
can see in this post this attitude is prevading my thought process. (and
boy am i awaiting a flame from e. telling me to quit being so bubblyhappy
goseethemgoseethemgoseethem!

and i've just discovered the catchers-mute (more on this after i've been
able to listen a few more times.......it's wonderful, though)

and their have been others this year.  i personally think that ocean
beach and 5 ways of disappearing are just snazzy.  5 ways is really pretty
creepy and weird....i love it.  and isn't anyone still excited by
seefeel's succor?  i hope you are, you should be glad you own it, as i
haven't found a copy around here....still. :(

and their are lots of things to look forward too.  the cocteau twins are
(if needfire is any indication) about to finally start moving forward
again and do some incredible work.  i mean, they're releasing ep's
again...get happy you sillies!  i know i'm excited by the mirror pool and
mojave....and even by a new heidi berry record.  there's also a new and
also the trees in the works which is possibly the best news that any of
us can have....in fact i believe the intial recording is completed, we
should all have good dreams about this.  a new bel canto in the new year,
isn't that enough for you?  how about the good things richard james is doing?
and i know there are countless others they i don't even know about.

i think maybe here's the problem.  we want too much.....moremoremore!
okay that was a good record, give me anotherandanother.  i know i can be
guilty of this quite a lot, but we've got to look around and realize how
much good there is in the world of music.  if anything, i'm frustrated
that i can't afford all the great things being released.

if think you're bored with music and there's nothing left for you but
all your records from days gone by, i say....get into the legendary pink
dots, you'll never have time for anything else as they have so much music
you could collect forever and they'd say 'ha ha! look another cassette
only edward ka-spell solo record that you don't have.
neenerneenerneener!'  i'm serious, you won't even have time to realize
that other bands (or labels) exist.  or get into classical.....there's
great things happening there.  or ambient....i have to stay away from
that, because i know i'd be poor and destitute if i tried to pay serious
attention to that.  once more, contemporary classical artists are working
with ambient artists and things are just getting out of hand....

and if nothing else, be happy that more and more cd and record inserts
are being printed on matte or pearl finish paper instead of that glossy shit.

.....and excuse my overall waytoopositivness today, i'm not always like
this, i swear.....

                .mark.


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:40:24 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: new releases?


>
> > 5007: Belly "Seal My Fate" (studio, live, limited green vinyl...)
>
> green? all the ones i saw (and the virgin megastore in london had about
> 50 of the blighters) were all pressed on invisible vinyl. i suppose it
> could look green if it was held up to a green light or placed on a
> snooker table...


Sorry...thought someone said it was green...

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:42:55 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dif Juz


Good question.  I'd like to know the answer myself.  Aside from
"Extractions," and a track on "Lonely is an Eyesore," I think they've only
put out vinyl, the "huremics" and "vibrating air" EPs, and a mid-80s Red
Flame EP whose name escapes me and which is impossible to find.

This band's name surfaces every few weeks or so on the list or elsewhere.
 I'd love to know what they're up to.  Seems that some enterprising reissue
house like Creation or someone could do for them what they've done for A
Certain Ratio and make their stuff available again, that is, if 4AD won't do
it themselves.

I have copies of the EPs, in case anybody wants to send me frequent and
increasingly-astronomical auction bids for them...

Dave G.

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:07:23 -0700
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new TM??


Hello...I believe that I was the one that mentioned this...I spoke to
Kristin last month and she mentioned that they were recording new
material for an album in the fall...I take this to mean that it'll be out
next year, perhaps not until the summer, but I was treated to a few
wonderful songs that night...  Juliette

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On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, darkglassdolleyes wrote:

>         Someone recently mentioned in passing that they "couldn't wait
> until the new one comes out in the Fall", or something like that, in
> reference to Throwing Muses. Is there anything to this? I know there was
> no new TM listed among the upcoming releases thru Spring '96, but I would
> still like to know exactly what was meant.
>


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:25:12 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: No Algonquin Round Table, This.?


A lot of folks have been complaining in recent days about the alleged decline
in the level of intellectual give-and-take on the 4AD list.

I know that many of you have been here a lot longer than I have (my tenure
dates from Nov. of 1994), so I am not an expert on what the list was like
Back In Da Day.  But aside from the aforementioned explosion of auctions and
other commercial static, an almost maniacal obsession with a handful of bands
(HNIA/Defever, Stereolab, Slowdive), and the occasional flash of completist
smugness, I have not found anything all that wrong with the level of
conversation here.

When you compare this list with the average usenet group chock full of
expletives, joke postings and sage observations on the level of "Stone Temple
Pilots eat shit," or "Courtney is a c***..." the 4AD list comes off looking
like an oasis of civility and erudition.

If there has been any erosion in the type of discussions carried out, it is
probably primarily attributable to the increasing size of the list.  As more
voices enter the fray, it's almost inevitable that the level of collegiality
declines and threads become more fragmented and diffuse.  My guess, also,
from the number of college addresses, is that the median age on the list is
probably 25 years or under, which means that some listies probably are too
young to remember the label's beginnings, what 4AD implied in its earliest
days, and what kind of a music scene it sprang from.  This has to impair
serious historical discussions of 4AD music.

Lastly, if 4AD-scussions aren't what they once were, maybe it's because
alternative music isn't what it once was.  A pretty good argument can be made
for the fact that new music is in the doldrums  these days, and 4AD, like
others, has suffered from this general ebbing of the musical tide.  With
certain possible exceptions I don't think there are any new Pixies, Throwing
Muses, Cocteau Twins, Dif Juz, DCD or Birthday Party anywhere on the horizon
to infuse new lifeblood into the label and carry it past the year 2000.
 (Much of what 4AD is putting out nowadays seems merely pleasant and pretty,
as one person said about "The Mirror Pool.")  Like many other things, I think
that music is cyclical, and anyone who can remember the mid-80s drought, when
stellar bands like Shriekback, Danse Society, Simple Minds and Dead or Alive
were snapped up by majors and induced to put out commercial shite, knows that
it's always darkest before the dawn.  That dark age didn't kill alternative
music, and surely a new crop of bands that will make us all overflow with
exciting, stirring observations is rehearsing in basements here and in the UK
even as I type.

So, my point is, that the list should not get unduly down on itself.  It may
be in a slump, but surely things will right themselves soon.  In the interim,
let's be nice to each other, respect each other, observe our netiquette and
try to report with honesty, sensitivity and enthusiasm on the best of what's
out there.  The masterpieces will come in time, and we want to be ready for
them.

Dave G.

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:59:37 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: sleepishly drugging his sunken doldrums...


On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, an infinite number of monkeys typing at an infinite
number of terminals, collectively known as "pyromaniac on crack," wrote:

> under the influence of mexican prescription drugs, josh@ASU.EDU mumbled:
> :)on the list. honestly, what was the last 4ad album to have any REAL
> :)lasting affect on you.
>
> lisa germano 'geek the girl'
>
> maybe guys just don't get it, but it's a very scary album for me to listen
> to. i know if i listened to it often enough, i'd want to just crawl into my
> bed with old teddy bears and slit my wrists...

Count one guy who "gets it": I am unable to listen to "...A Psychopath"
without quite literally shivering--especially the ending. A truly
brilliant, scary recording....

--Jeff

Jeffrey Norman                                     "Can you write underwater
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                    on liquid paper?"
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.

In my CD changer: Galaxie 500 _This Is Our Music_
                  David Byrne _Rei Momo_
                  Love _Da Capo_
                  Beck _Stereopathic Soul Manure_
                  Spectrum _Soul Kiss (Glide Divine)_

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:09:24 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dif Juz


>Good question.  I'd like to know the answer myself.  Aside from
>"Extractions," and a track on "Lonely is an Eyesore," I think they've only
>put out vinyl, the "huremics" and "vibrating air" EPs, and a mid-80s Red
>Flame EP whose name escapes me and which is impossible to find.

There's also "Out of the Trees", which is a compilation of "Huremics" and
"Vibrating Air".  I don't know if this is what you where talking about, but
they have an album that I think is called "Why Worry?" (or maybe that's one
of the songs from it) that came out on a non-4AD label.  It's in the eyesore
database too, I think.


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:21:20 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: the gladness of things......


Thanks, Mark, for a great post.  Of course, you're right, there still is
plenty of good music to be happy about, if you can find it.  B'day Party,
Cindy Talk and Legendary Pink Dots are among the overlooked bands that
deserve and need our attention.  C.T.s "Camoflauge Heart" is also worth
getting, if you can find it.

Couple of things:  why call people "fools" just because they're a little
concerned about the levelling off of quality in new music here in the 1990s?

I think the issue isn't that good stuff isn't being produced, it's just that
since 1991, everyone has been falling all over themselves to belly-flop into
the alternative music pool, churning out hundreds upon hundreds of vaguely
familiar-sounding "alt" releases, many of which, while nice to listen to,
recycle stylistic elements that were pioneered in the early-to-mid 1980s.
 This is great if you're just hitting college age in 1995, but a little less
thrilling if you were around when things were new.  It's not so easy to get
worked up about Green Day when you remember the Buzzcocks, or about Nine Inch
Nails if you remember the vampiric, androgynous theatrics of Bauhaus, and the
same principle applies to 4AD and 4AD-esque johnny and janet-come-latelies.
 Now that "alternative" has become a  format instead of an adjective, many
bands find it more profitable to pose than to com-pose.

My take is, the jewels are there, but you have to sift through a lot more
sludge to find them than was true a decade ago.  Like everybody else, I'm
still signing my paycheck over to the record stores, patiently waiting for
the next big Wave.

Dave G.

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 23:35:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Dif Juz


There is also a really good cassette on the late great Pleasantly Surprised
(1984 ca.), called 'Time Clock Turn Back' (PS 009), containing:
- Scotish Express
- Red Tackle
- The Hole
- Abroad
- Adverts (Clip Slip)
- Spy Plane
- Sea Shanti
- Bad Tooth
- Trance
- Introducing Mrs. McCarthy
- Obscure By Face
- Good Bad The Ugly

Frank

++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:13:21 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: No Algonquin Round Table, This.?

              <950816152345_76280595@aol.com>

> Lastly, if 4AD-scussions aren't what they once were, maybe it's because
> alternative music isn't what it once was.  A pretty good argument can be made
> for the fact that new music is in the doldrums  these days, and 4AD, like
> others, has suffered from this general ebbing of the musical tide.  With
> certain possible exceptions I don't think there are any new Pixies, Throwing
> Muses, Cocteau Twins, Dif Juz, DCD or Birthday Party anywhere on the horizon
> to infuse new lifeblood into the label and carry it past the year 2000.
>  (Much of what 4AD is putting out nowadays seems merely pleasant and pretty,
> as one person said about "The Mirror Pool.")  Like many other things, I think
> that music is cyclical, and anyone who can remember the mid-80s drought, when
> stellar bands like Shriekback, Danse Society, Simple Minds and Dead or Alive
> were snapped up by majors and induced to put out commercial shite, knows that
> it's always darkest before the dawn.  That dark age didn't kill alternative
> music, and surely a new crop of bands that will make us all overflow with
> exciting, stirring observations is rehearsing in basements here and in the UK
> even as I type.
>

OK.... uncloaking for a few minutes.  I think the people that mourn 4AD
the most are the ones that were searching high and low for the new 4AD
release when they were an independent label.  Now that they've
'graduated' to MAJOR LABEL status, they've done what a lot of indie
bands do when they make that transition.....they've attempted to become
marketable on a much larger scale.  They have (IMO) lost some of that
magic that made their bands special.  Granted, they are special when put
next to Columbia, SONY etc etc....and they still have some great artists
signed but there really is not a 4AD sound anymore.  So what is there
for people who miss that sound to listen to .....

There are a number of labels that are releasing 'this-listy' stuff and
worth following ... maybe a little difficult to find (but weren't
those Cocteau Twins EPs ???) but certainly worthwhile.

Try getting a catalog from some these labels and have fun/explore !!!
And, stop bitching about 4AD, they are still more likely to release a
great disc than any other major label.  What more do you want.

Steve's list of suggested this-listy labels:
Independent Project Records
Projekt
Dewdrops
Bedazzled (I don't want to hear any shit about including this just
   because I run it ... we still have great bands!!!)
Slumberland
Pop Narcotic
   (these last 2 may not be quite this-listy but still doing good
    stuff)

Steve @ Bedazzled headquarters listening to half-string
Cloak mode ON

Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:01:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Band names and such


> Hi everyone!
>
> I was wondering if anyone could help me find a good band name.  A coulple
> of friends and I are starting a new dreampop-ish band, and I find it easier
> to write songs when I have a band name.  I don't know why, but it's just
> easier.  Well anyway, that's about it.  Thank you in advance.  If we choose
> the band name you gave, I'll be sure to include you in the credits when we
> put something out!  (WOW, how's that for incentive?!?)

A dreampop-ish band, now that's a pity! Why don't you start something more
heavy! And name it...

Fatal Rectal Implant

or...

The Oklahoma City Bombing Band


Oh, and we've had the Dutch Supercup tonight:
Feyenoord - Ajax   1-2
(70 min.) R. de Boer 0-1
(72 min.) Larsson 1-1
extra time:
(101 min.) 1-2 Kluivert.

Frank

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brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:53:53 -0500
From: GuineaPigGirl **ooeekk** (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Band names and such *plus*

              Aug 17, 95 00:01:03 am

>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could help me find a good band name.  A coulple
> > of friends and I are starting a new dreampop-ish band, and I find it easier
> > to write songs when I have a band name.  I don't know why, but it's just
> > easier.  Well anyway, that's about it.  Thank you in advance.  If we choose
> > the band name you gave, I'll be sure to include you in the credits when we
> > put something out!  (WOW, how's that for incentive?!?)
>
****WHOA*****
     friends of mine and i did this as a pasttime whilst sloughing in
senior year in college ;) mail me directly and give me ideas of what
sort of abstract stuff you want to convey..and whose sound you may
rsemble...
                                        *Kendal*
                                        kobermey@unlgrad1.unl.edu









> A dreampop-ish band, now that's a pity! Why don't you start something more
> heavy! And name it...
>
> Fatal Rectal Implant
>
> or...
>
> The Oklahoma City Bombing Band
>
>
> Oh, and we've had the Dutch Supercup tonight:
> Feyenoord - Ajax   1-2
> (70 min.) R. de Boer 0-1
> (72 min.) Larsson 1-1
> extra time:
> (101 min.) 1-2 Kluivert.
>
> Frank
>
> ++++++++++++
> brink2@xs4all.nl
> ++++++++++++
>

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:32:23 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: the gladness of things......


On Wed, 16 Aug 1995 DscribeDC@AOL.COM wrote:

> Thanks, Mark, for a great post.  Of course, you're right, there still is
> plenty of good music to be happy about, if you can find it.  B'day Party,
> Cindy Talk and Legendary Pink Dots are among the overlooked bands that
> deserve and need our attention.  C.T.s "Camoflauge Heart" is also worth
> getting, if you can find it.

another good thing....camouflage heart will also soon be rereleased.  i
also forgot to mention 'bambule' as another thing to look forward
too...cindytalk's electronic project rumored to be amazing....there are
other cindyrumors with extreme 4ad interest, but i'll save those till
when i'm more sure of them.

> Couple of things:  why call people "fools" just because they're a little
> concerned about the levelling off of quality in new music here in the 1990s?

point well taken....i should have said "sillies", i didn't really mean to
call people fools seriously....:)

> I think the issue isn't that good stuff isn't being produced, it's just that
> since 1991, everyone has been falling all over themselves to belly-flop into
> the alternative music pool, churning out hundreds upon hundreds of vaguely
> familiar-sounding "alt" releases, many of which, while nice to listen to,
> recycle stylistic elements that were pioneered in the early-to-mid 1980s.

yes, i have to agree.  there is a lot of crap, i just wanted to remind
everyone that there is a lot to be excited about too.  it seems like
it's easy for us to forget that.  the music world has certainly changed
since '91 or so.  it's so weird for me to see bands that never would have
made it onto the radio or mtv become giants in the eyes of popculture.
this never would have happened back when i bought my first cocteau twins
record and all the other bands that i cherish so much (and i'm only 21). but
it IS happening and i'll guess we'll have to deal with the consequences.

i also agree that you have to sift through mountains of alternativesludge
to find the goodies, but that doesn't mean there are less goodies.  ten
years ago....five years ago even, there was a lot of sludge, but no one
was trying to be 'alternative'.  and besides, isn't it always fun to know
that you searched for new and wonderful music and found it while so many
others gave up early and took what was given to them by popculture?

lastly, more good records from the past 12-15 months that are worth
giving music in the 90's a good grade:

peter murphy-cascade.....brilliant, he saved himself...the last track
overandover.
faith&disease-fortune his sleep.....absolutely great even showing their
influences.
love spirals downwards-ardor....i know what some of you think, but i love
this record. so there.....neenerneenerneeener!
fuel-timeless ep.....as far as i'm concerned this has been over ignored.
ohpleaseplease let hamish make another full length record!  (by the way,
is there no one who has a copy of 'back of this beyond' to sell to
me...or knows where i can get one???? please????)

takecare all you sillies.....

        .sleepyheaded.......mark.


Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 03:47:21 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: The Charlatans Discography


I'm pretty much finished with my version of the discography for
the Charlatans. There are a lot of questions in there still though,
mainly because I don't have a complete set of everything they
have released in all formats (who does?), but I hope there are
people out there who can help with information where it is needed
for most things?

If someone would like a copy (version 0.9), please email me
(chief@lysator.liu.se) and I'll send it right over.

Waiting for "The Charlatans"!
 //Erik


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