4ad-l Mail for 08-15-1995

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Subject: 4AD Vinyl v. CD
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 22:22:43 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Krap...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 01:47:47 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction Scandal '95!! topic o' the day...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:57:31 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: a big bag of liqourice. red only.
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 01:40:17 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Krap...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:52:27 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: a review & a plea to leave Tori alone
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:06:26 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:28:02 -0700
From: josh@ASU.EDU
Subject: Re: Birthday Party Live
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:57:02 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: 13 YEAR BITCH
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 01:20:38 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Birthday Party Live
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:44:26 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Auction whines
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:48:41 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:40:26 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: 4AD DA4
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:32:49 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:00:19 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:11:16 -0700
From: Jason the Ferret King (JASONS@LITTLE-BOBBY.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins interview in Lime Lizard Magazine
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:29:40 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:46:53 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Krap...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:51:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:24:23 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:34:41 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: a big bag of liqourice. red only.
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:05:27 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: Innocence Misson in Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:33:26 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:43:35 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: ACK!!! lost my web page numbers :(
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:36:53 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACK!!! lost my web page numbers :(
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:52:45 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:22:42 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:27:52 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Innocence Mission in San Francisco
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:38:16 -0700
From: Richard Schiek (richard@CHEMENG.STANFORD.EDU)
Subject: new releases?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:21:14 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Howdy from the UK...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:58:11 -0700
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:09:18 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:09:31 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: new releases?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:57:39 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:34:01 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:21:47 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Red Temple Spirits
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:21:43 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: new releases?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:40:25 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: jane siberry and kate bush
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:32:39 -0500
From: Fortunate Hazel (fhazel@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: New releases! and reviews! (long)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:26:23 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Lush Video Wanted
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:03:28 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Re: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:35:23 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: New releases! and reviews! (long)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:16:52 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: new releases?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:18:07 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: For Sale: The Saddest CD Sale Of All Time
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:35:25 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Saddest CD Sale Of All Time (Current Bids)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:15:26 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: New Cocteaus Coming!
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:44:06 -0400
From: Charles Clutter (ccutter@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US)

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 22:22:43 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: 4AD Vinyl v. CD


I am wondering if there are any preferences with regards to sound
quality of 4ad releases: vinyl/cassette v. cd.  With Cocteau Twins and Lush
I prefer the vinyl over cd.  The sonic spectrum is wider and deeper.
Any other opinions, agree or disagree?

Montgomery V.S.


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 01:47:47 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Krap...


Christ. This list really _is_ degenerating...everyday, bitch
bitch whine whine (hypocritical nature of this statement noted
and admitted :)

Unfortunately, I _have_ to take this bitter pill in digest form,
since I'm in the middle of a job hunt and need to keep list mail
seperated from job-related mail.

So much for that delete key...then again, it doesn't seem like I'd
be missing much these days if I simply trashed the entire digest.
Hopefully, things will improve...

I think Kelli has a good point about the stale quality of the latest
discussions...is anyone interested in starting a new list? Not
another 4AD list, but simply a good forum for the discussion of
interesting music?

email me if interested.

-julian-


--
Julian Stewart
camus@netcom.com

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:57:31 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: Auction Scandal '95!! topic o' the day...

              1995 11:13:18 -0700

Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}-  writes:

> *putting on that lovely ruby red lipstick and turning to Lars first*

Kiss, kiss.

I *forgive* everybody. :-)

And speaking of music... I'm in New Music Deprivation mode - I haven't
bought any new albums in, ooh, three months, and it's really starting
to get to me. I do find that listening to "Into The Labyrinth" and
"Geek the Girl" several times a day helps some, though. And "Bytes"
and "Incunabula". And "Love" and "When I Was A Boy".

Boy, do I want new music. Just three more weeks, and I actually have
*money*! Yay!

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars in Geneva

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 01:40:17 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a big bag of liqourice. red only.


  in helping out with keeping the cd population down, i adopted and
  neutered a new pet disc a few days ago:

  ...liquorice - listening cap...

  i give all new music a hefty spin through my stereo. once or twice
  a day for a few days, until i am really familiar with the music.
  my initial opinions are usually very harsh, and after a few days i
  soften up a bit and i'm not as critical of what i'm listening to.
  in this case, i haven't budged from my initial response. i find this
  to be a rather boring affair, and i have tried very hard to fall in
  love with it. i adore the 7" single, and the song on the Red Hot &
  Bothered 10" isn't too bad, but very little contained on 'listening
  cap' has pulled at my heart strings. i've warmed up to jenny's voice
  over the last year, but when it comes down to it...i find her songs
  very very boring. we're not talking the tempo of the songs being too
  slow, if anything they're a bit too choppy on LC...too much flip-flopping
  that i find wonderful on other recordings by others artists. i truly
  enjoy half of what's offered here. 'keeping the weekend free' is a
  wonderful take on bruno's song...'drive around' having a vocally loop
  that is another defever staple. the overall mood of the song makes me
  smile....plus the blip of noise in two spots is a fun way to make you
  jump when you're listening w/headphones on. 'breaking the ice' is a
  fine testament to why i have fallen for dan littleton & ida. i was
  a little surprise dthat the song built so much energy towards the end..
  perfect climax. 'blew it' just made me laugh like crazy....i can't help
  but think that it belongs on the soundtrack to Clueless for some reason.
  it reminds me of disco. i don't know why. i suggest this cd to anyone who
  really enjoys jenny's music. i'm sure her fans wouldn't be disappointed
  at all. warren's production isn't over the top...so i assume these
  are all the low-key versions that were picked to be on the album. :)
  if you're vaguelly familiar with jenny's music, you might want to consider
  looking into 'listening cap'. some moments sparkle and some are rather
  dim to me...i think just about anyone could find at least one song on the
  album that they thoroughly enjoyed. the art is pretty spiff. not the best
  v23 creation, but fitting given the music it represents.



  *k-j*  ...the shoestring kind from disneyland is the best...


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:52:27 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Krap...


Julian wrote:
>I think Kelli has a good point about the stale quality of the latest
>discussions...is anyone interested in starting a new list? Not
>another 4AD list, but simply a good forum for the discussion of
>interesting music?
>
>email me if interested.

Last year just before Julian(UK) left the list he talked about
starting just such a list whose main bias would be towards
thislisty type music, but there would also be intelligent
conversation on all sorts of interesting topics.  I asked to join the
list and he said I was on it, but i received nothing.  What ever
happened to this list?
Although it seems to be on the increase, of the lists i belong to
4AD-L has the lowest noise level by far.  It is also the most
personal. With the statistics I keep on reading concerning the
increase of the size of the internet I just hope we can keep it that
way.  The one list I belong to, the Liverpool Football(UK) mailing
list, had close to a 1000 subscribers at the end of last season.
Apart from a generous sprinkling of idiots who don't have two neurons
firing when they mail the list with their trite, there is also the
constant influx of inflammatory mail from supporters of rival clubs
which in turn start flame wars.....aAAAAARRRRGGGG

      +-+-+-+-+
      |Neil   "The commonly spread sexual disease are children"
      |             -friend

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:06:26 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: a review & a plea to leave Tori alone


Please leave Tori Amos alone or she'll set the little Pixies on to you.
Anyway, her piano version of Smells Like Teen Spirit was much better than
Kurt's.

Now folks, the review!

Some of you seem to be interested in bleepy bleepy music as well as indie
guitar nonsense so here are my thoughts on Goldie's "Timeless" (ffrr) album
(file under Jungle/Drum&Bass/intelligent ambient/this months hype - as you
will).

The reworking of the single 'Inner City Life' into the 21 minute long
(anyone mentions Rick Wakeman, lethal force will follow) was very
successful - the kinetic feel of the track failed to dull, kind of an aural
Bladerunner type experience. All of the vocal tracks are excellent - the
alliance of Goldie's breakbeats and the voice of Diane Charlemagne is
hypnotic - only two of the twelve or thirteen tracks is a little too
'jungle is massive na na na nya'.
Think 808 State meets Mega Banton.

The thing I love about the genre is that while it has 'nuff respect it  has
*no* respect.
I mean, turning "Sweet Love" by Anita Baker into a 170 bpm crotch grind
fest was hysterical (as is watching sixteen year old girls in Ritzy discos
trying to undululate like Patra to it).

And now for something completely different......

Anyone heard the new Gavin Friday album?


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:28:02 -0700
From: josh@ASU.EDU
Subject: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...


well, i feel as one of the guilty parties as i recently held auction for
the 13yi cd. sorry. i guess i will no longer try to help other people
find things difficult to come by. as i rarely contribute any critical
views towards thislisty music, i at least like to sometimes consider
myself helpful to collectors...

anyways, there hasn't been a helluva lot of mind-numbing recent releases
lately. i've just been listening to massive attacks 'protection' album as
well as 'olympian,' pram's 'helium,' and the dirty three lp. also been
shifting through the old nick cave stuff as well as anything related to
him, however obscurely. nick seems sadly under-conversed on this list,
though i can't honestly think of what needs to be discussed.

which brings me to the point. i've been on this list for maybe three
years now, at varying points of interactivity. it seems that the most
i've gained out of this list has been references and suggestions to
'thislisty' music. as 4ad music hasn't been anything to shake-a my soul
recently, only the things suggested by list members have helped me remain
on the list. honestly, what was the last 4ad album to have any REAL
lasting affect on you. i can't really think of anything since 'home is in
your head' or maybe 'down colorful hill.' admittedly, since then things
have been pleasant at least, but nothing has stuck with me and affected
the rhythm of my thoughts or anything. even the new lisa gerrard album. i
think it's great and a NICE thing to listen to, but nothing on it makes
me want to get down on my knees and prostrate myself to the nifty
purple-metallic digipak. remember sometime last year when there was a dcd
discussion; most people seemed to think that brendan had all of the
talent and responsibilty for dcd, and lisa's song were voted less often as
favorite songs? now it seems that her songs sound very similar to the dcd
albums, while brendan is doing folk songs.

i don't know. it's just that now there seems to be very little that
is...i don't know how to say this. remember when you were younger and
your friends would say "this shit is really weird!" and you would say
"that's why it's on 4ad." well maybe you didn't, but i did. that doesn't
happen anymore. what 4ad band isn't able to be compared to something
else? even the mojave song which i like very much, and would offer to
copy for anybody who hasn't yet found the compilation (by the way, the
body shop put out a benefit comp in 1993 with 'the carnival is over,' a
track by belly, and a heidi berry track amongst others), can so easily be
compared to the cowboy junkies. what else can be new to us? (another BTW,
someone said that none of the "...think..." tracks couldn't be found
elsewhere. as far as i know, the wicked man remix of christianity is only
on the u.s. promo-cd for that song. so it might be hard to find...

so, i'll give a listen to the more recent 4ad releases at work to-morrow
and try to think of things to discuss. although it seems that most of my
questions have gone ignored recently, what do you people think? is it
really 4ad music that you are excited by lately, or are you subscribed
and read this list more by habit than anything else?

j

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:57:02 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: Birthday Party Live


>I don't know if I would call the Birthday Party the best punk band ever, but
>they certainly were one of the best and most consistently interesting.  Their
>moves have been copped by some many today that they are sure to ascend to
>Velvets "essential influence" class very shortly.  There  would be no Jesus
>Lizard if the Birthday Party hadn't existed, a fact that the current crop of
>short-sighted journos always seems to forget.
>
>Unfortunately, I'm not the best witness to their live splendor.  I saw them
>play a gig at the Channel in Boston in the spring of 1982 with Thalia Zedek
>of Come's old band the Dangerous Birds.  There had been some kind of snafu
>and they had no equipment of their own; instead, they had to play the whole
>gig with borrowed equipment from the Birds.  Rowland Howard kept breaking
>strings on every song and the whole thing was one giant bad vibe.  Cave was
>still scary and brilliant, leaping and twisting in the air, coming down right
>in the faces of petrified new wavers and college radio types.  I had heard
>from reliable friends that the show they played in Boston at the Spit club
>the summer before, with circumstances in their favor, was incredibly
>brilliant, and anyone who's ever heard "Drunk on the Pope's Blood" can
>believe it.  They were brooding, sinister and poetic in a way much more sexy
>and toxic than Cave has been since he's decided to become the Leonard Cohen
>of the Ectomorphs.
>
>
  Sorted.
>
>Dave G.


Sprint, don't run, out and buy "Junkyard" and "Prayers on Fire" immediately.
> And everything else by them you can find.

Oh no,my son...do yourself a favour,RUN and get the ENTIRE BP
discography."Prayers on Fire"and "Junkyard"are only about 2/5 of the whole
BP experience.There's also "Hee Haw",which is basically the first BP album
and"The Bad Seed"which has the classic tune"Sonny's Burning".(This song
just recently got sampled by an industrial metal band called Pitch
Shifter.Brilliant.)

If you're on a budget,then the greatest hits CD called "Hits"should be an
excellent primer.If nothing else,it's very comprehensive.And if you find
it,try and snag "Drunk on the Pope's Blood"which has a killer version of
"King Ink"and the Stooges song"Loose"

It's so refreshing to hear someone on this thing talk about something other
than Warren Defever and Liquorice as it seems no one one here is old enough
to remember 'em (back in 4AD's good ol'days)

Hope this helps,m'man...

stylised deformity..don't look back,you were dead from the
beginning-Godflesh


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 01:20:38 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: 13 YEAR BITCH


I never owned a copy of the 13 year itch, but this worries me not. J (osh) seems
to be slightly disilllusioned (?) with current 4ad offerings. Although very litt
e on the label will receive my harshest criticism, I must agree with comments sa
d. Not much lately gets one's head to spin in musical ecstacy. There was a time 
hen "wierd" bands were 4ad's speciality. Bland never entered the conscious mind.
Lonely is an Eyesore became the aural bible and thoughts in ones head were divid
d into filigree and shadow.  Defections (Xymox, Cocteaus, Frazier Chorus amongst
others) were always going to be hard to replace, but we have to be persistant.

But to answer the question that was posed. I listen with the hope that some undi
covered band is going to be discovered shortly. A band that takes one by the sho
ts and insists on being heard. A band so obscure that when your friends give the
 a listen they blurt " these arseholes are wierd - how can you listen to them?" 
he answer "They're a 4ad band, they're brill".

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:44:26 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Birthday Party Live

              <199508151157.GAA01165@quilla.tezcat.com>

kylexene@COM.TEZCAT wrote:

>There's also "Hee Haw",which is basically the first BP album
>and"The Bad Seed"which has the classic tune"Sonny's Burning".

Best song intro ever (even better than Pretty Vacant's intro).

HANDS UP WHO WANTS TO DIE

Simon Hughes

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:48:41 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Auction whines


As much as some of you would like to think that 4AD is just a tight knit
community of really hip people (clad in black) that listen to other equally
hip people (ditto black) and the nasty world of commerce and product tints
not the purity of our very, very special community.

4AD, as well as all the other "special" bands you listen to are "product".
 They're success in the marketplace rises and falls on some pointy-heads
clip-board who has probebly never heard the band. 4AD , and other more "arty"
labels have the difficult job of treading the fine line between "artistic
purity" and economic viability.

This doesn't make the bands on this list any less talented. I just want to
shed some light on the point of the list, to trade ideas about something that
we purchase.

So it seems a bit elitist when I read posts of people complaining about sales
and auctions on the list. These are people that either have the item , or
don't care to have it, and look down their noses at others that attempt to
offer items on a list that will be assured to contain people that will
genuinely care for the music offered. Often this is the only way some folks
can get any of the stuff the rest of us casually chat about.

Sure the music is product, but it can be art too, and I think the people on
this list have a tendency to think of their taste as the latter, which is
cool.

But allow people to buy what you are already enjoying, and just be glad their
are people interested in buying this stuff. If people were'nt buying 4AD
woildn't exist.

By the way: the Lisa Gerrard "Mirror Pool" promo c.d. bid is at $30. Please
e-mail me personally for your bid. The winning bid can be paid in cash or a
major credit card.

I may be posting soon about an auction for a signed Frank Black cassette of
his first solo release. Post me personally for info on that too.


Later,

Baron
EyeRate@aol.com

"Nobody looks good in brown lipstick." Frank Zappa


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:40:26 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)


chris ayres  writes:

> Defections (Xymox, Cocteaus, Frazier Chorus amongst others) were
> always going to be hard to replace, but we have to be persistant.

Speaking of the latter - last week's NME had a review of their latest
album. (They said it was, uhm, not very exciting, which means that
it's probably brilliant. Or not.) In any case, they mentioned that the
Chorus was booted off Virgin after (uhm) EMI bought the label, and
have been label-less since then. (That's two-three years ago? Just
after "Ray"?) They split up, and the Chorus is just that Freeman guy
now.

The new albus is a mini-album, by the way. Has anybody heard it? How
is it?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars in Geneva

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:32:49 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: 4AD DA4


Now that you mention it, I guess I do read this list out of habit more
than anything else. 4AD does need some help. The last 4AD release to
totally thrill me was "In Ribbons" by PS. Yeah I bought and loved the
last batch of LUSH and UNREST, but they don't count cuz I've always loved
UNREST - wahtever label their records happen to be on, and where I really
liked the last batch of LUSH stuff, it didn't really thrill me the way
their earlier stuff did. I'm looking forward to the AIR MIAMI lp, but I
have a feeling a lot of people are gunna be dissapointed. But then again,
I have only heard their demos. Mark has a way of turning the simplest
sound into something extraordinary in the studio, and with Guy Fixon at
the controls, anything could be possible I guess. I don't have to tell
anybody on this list that this is sorta a dull period in 4AD history -
No more Cocteau Twins, no more Wolfgang Press (a blessing in disguise),
the dreamy bands have been overshadowed by hip indie-pop, and Dead Can
Dance have gone the way of Glen Campbell (practically). Not much to look
forward to at the moment really. I've heard the new Lisa Gerrard cd, and
while I think it's a nice piece of work...........well..............it's
simply just that - nice. Whatever, it's no wonder we're arguing about
petty bs, because ther's not much else to talk about. Not much new stuff
to buy, so let's grab those rarities while we can!
I won't unsubscribe though. Mojave holds my interest too much. THAT I'm
looking forward to, simply because I trust Neil's songwriting, and no
matter how much it may sound like Cowboy Junkies, I trust he'll make it
interesting somehow.
Keeping my fingers cossed -

+++++++
John A.                  jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
Rickman
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On Tue, 15 Aug 1995 josh@ASU.EDU wrote:

> so, i'll give a listen to the more recent 4ad releases at work to-morrow
> and try to think of things to discuss. although it seems that most of my
> questions have gone ignored recently, what do you people think? is it
> really 4ad music that you are excited by lately, or are you subscribed
> and read this list more by habit than anything else?
>
> j
>

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:00:19 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...

              "josh@ASU.EDU" at Aug 15, 95 04:28:02 am

> well, i feel as one of the guilty parties as i recently held auction for
> the 13yi cd. sorry. i guess i will no longer try to help other people
> find things difficult to come by...

Again, I don't really think anyone minds people selling things via the
list (although it can be a bit frustrating; I have narrowly missed
getting a copy of "King of Sweet" several times), as long as it doesn't
become a mind-numbing percentage of the list traffic, as it almost has
recently.

> anyways, there hasn't been a helluva lot of mind-numbing recent releases
> lately.

No lie there. I can count on one-and-a-half hands the CDs I've felt really
compelled to buy recently -- and most of those have been Ani diFranco,
and other even more non-listy stuff. I haven't been thrilled by anything,
really, and have been getting along on recommendations from members of
various lists. The only real endorsement for an album that's out yet I've
garnered from this list in the last few weeks is for Liquorish -- which I
haven't been able to find, in any case.

> honestly, what was the last 4ad album to have any REAL
> lasting affect on you. i can't really think of anything since 'home is in
> your head' or maybe 'down colorful hill.'

Just before I bought "Mouth to Mouth" on a whim, I was in kind of a
musical void. I hadn't bought much music for myself in two or three
years, but found myself with a roommate who had a stereo, a cd player and
some REALLY LARGE speakers. MtM was the first thing I'd bought that was
thislisty and that I hadn't heard before (about the fourth CD I bought
there, really) and it re-awakened my awareness of what I'd liked and what
I was missing. I still listen to it A LOT -- along with the promo single,
which the owner of the shop gave to me.

> so, i'll give a listen to the more recent 4ad releases at work to-morrow
> and try to think of things to discuss. although it seems that most of my
> questions have gone ignored recently, what do you people think? is it
> really 4ad music that you are excited by lately, or are you subscribed
> and read this list more by habit than anything else?

I don't even know what the most recent 4ad releases *are*. Since there
isn't a radio station in Cincinnati worth listening to, I mainly just
wait for someone to put it in a listening post or recommend it to me in
e-mail...

--
   http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ -- r. n. dominick -- cinnamon@one.net

                 "Yes! I'm doing *laundry*!" -- the Tick

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:11:16 -0700
From: Jason the Ferret King (JASONS@LITTLE-BOBBY.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...


> so, i'll give a listen to the more recent 4ad releases at work to-morrow
> and try to think of things to discuss. although it seems that most of my
> questions have gone ignored recently, what do you people think? is it
> really 4ad music that you are excited by lately, or are you subscribed
> and read this list more by habit than anything else?

     No, not really out of habit, but more because I haven't found
any other good mailing list to discuss really terrific music.
Actually, I think the idea of being a fan of a music label is
pathetic and bizarre, but this list seems to be generally less about
the music label and more about a certain type of music, which seems
to make up a good part of what 4AD releases.
     That said, I think that there are still some good 4AD releases.
For instance, I am pretty thoroughly enchanted with Kendra Smith's
_Five Ways of Disappearing_, which, as far as I know, is a reasonably
recent release.

       -Jason Seawright




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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:29:40 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins interview in Lime Lizard Magazine


Hey,

Does anyone out there have the copy of Lime Lizard Magazine from, oh,
some time in the spring of '94 that featured the Cocs on the cover and
a rather large article/interview?

For some stupid reason, I never bought it, and now wish I *had*. If
some kind soul is willing or able to transcribe it and post it, I
would give you my first born.  Or, if anyone has the address for the
magazine so that I could request a back-copy, I'd be grateful.

Thanks,

Mike
Iceblink@Delphi.com

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:46:53 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)

              Ingebrigtsen" at Aug 15, 95 03:40:26 pm

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  wrote:
>
> Speaking of the latter - last week's NME had a review of their latest
> album. (They said it was, uhm, not very exciting, which means that
> it's probably brilliant. Or not.) In any case, they mentioned that the
> Chorus was booted off Virgin after (uhm) EMI bought the label, and
> have been label-less since then. (That's two-three years ago? Just
> after "Ray"?) They split up, and the Chorus is just that Freeman guy
> now.

One advert I saw for it said that the band contained "Ex-members of the
Cocteau Twins".  Que?

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 15/08/95
On my walkman this morning : The Fall - Cerebral Caustic
The tide is full, the moon lies fair

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:51:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Krap...

              95 05:52:27 am

"Neil G."  wrote:
>
> Last year just before Julian(UK) left the list he talked about
> starting just such a list whose main bias would be towards
> thislisty type music, but there would also be intelligent
> conversation on all sorts of interesting topics.  I asked to join the
> list and he said I was on it, but i received nothing.  What ever
> happened to this list?

There were a couple - a twee-pop list which I was on for a while but
unsubbed from, and a general music/art/life in general list which was
supposed to be run on the lines of the US indie-list, i.e. a weekly
compilation of ramblings rather than a proper mailing list.  Julian
edited the latter, and I distributed it, but nobody contributed anything
so I think there were only one or two issues.  Too general, perhaps.
On the subject of auctions etc, I don't mind people posting lists of
things for sale, but private mail ("I'll give you $2 for the Spirea X
album") should be kept private.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 15/08/95
On my walkman this morning : The Fall - Cerebral Caustic
The tide is full, the moon lies fair


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:24:23 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)


One advert I saw for it said that the band contained "Ex-members of the
Cocteau Twins".  Que?

-----------------------------------

Maybe they were referring to Mitsuo, Ben, or one of the two drummers --
all only honorary Cocteaus (they only play with the band live, with a
couple of exceptions).  The ad may also be referring to Will Heggie, although
that seems doubtful.  Aside from that, there aren't any "ex" members of
Cocteau Twins.


Mike
Iceblink@Delphi.com

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:34:41 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: 13 YEAR BITCH (and Frazier Chorus)


Andrew Norman  writes:

> One advert I saw for it said that the band contained "Ex-members of the
> Cocteau Twins".  Que?

Yes, they booted out Elizabeth Fraser (for singing like a dolphin on
the last tour) and Robin Guthrie (for playing guitar). Cocteau Twins
is now Lincoln Fong, Simon Raymonde and Malcolm McLaren.

I hear the new Frazier Chorus line-up is way-cool. Freeman, Frazer,
Guthrie, Heggie and the Aphex Twin.

--
(domestic pets only, that was a joke, brant, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars in Geneva

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:05:27 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: a big bag of liqourice. red only.


I really like the Frsnklin Bruno-penned track as well. Can someone
tell me what album it originally appeared on?

tanks
mike

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:33:26 -0600
From: "blueeyes.brownhair" (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Innocence Misson in Seattle


well....it's time for me to ring in another endorsment of the innocence
mission's tour.  they were spectacular in denver!  oh, my head's still
buzzing......

don't miss this tour. and if you haven't bought all three of their
albums, well, you are missing out. 8P

....and the catchers were great, too.  seldom is an opening act so
immediate and fun....i've been searching for their disc ever since the show.

and one more thing, stick around after the show and talk to don and karen
and the rest of the band.  they are kind, modest people with keen
intelligence.....nothing of a rock star attitude.  i walked away from
this show feeling elated and full with a sense that i'd witnessed a work
of goodness and sincerity.

....ahhhh, la la la aren't you bursting with butterflies......

        .threeswept.
                        .mark.


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:43:35 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...


the lower case n  writes:

> No lie there. I can count on one-and-a-half hands the CDs I've felt really
> compelled to buy recently -- and most of those have been Ani diFranco,
> and other even more non-listy stuff. I haven't been thrilled by anything,
> really, and have been getting along on recommendations from members of
> various lists.

Oooh, oooh - there's so much I want to buy, and that I'm really pining
for. Lisa Gerrard, Liquirice, Aphex Twin, new Jane Siberry this month,
new Phranc album, Goldie (I've gotta get that one), Massive Attack
(that "Protection" track with that girl from Everything but the Girl
is heavenly), Richard Kirk, ooh, I could spend all the money I'm going
to get in one fell swoop. No problem. And I'm exited by all of it.

I think this is the most exciting time for music, ever. But I've
thought that since the mid-eighties, with a few dips in interest here
and there (baggy, new wave of eugrgh), so what do I know.

Your mileage may vary enourmeously. But it seems to me that whatever
kind of music you like - it's out there, waiting for your money.

I think I'll go over to CDNow and slobber some more.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars in Geneva

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:36:53 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACK!!! lost my web page numbers :(

              "jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU" at Jul 29, 95 00:40:42 am

Ack!
Quick, does anyone have the DCD or CT web page numbers offhand?
                                *premature and frantic thanks*
                                        *Kendalabra*


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:52:45 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: ACK!!! lost my web page numbers :(


Cocteau Twins: http://grether.haas.berkeley.edu:8080/
Dead Can Dance: http://www.nets.com/dcd.html

Mike
Iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:22:42 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down


On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, euphonic noisegirl wrote:

> > > What's the deal with the Body Shop promo?
> >
> > Yes it IS the "soap variety" Body Shop, not a strip club,
> > nor an auto salvage company.
>
>   right on. score 2 for me. i'm going to go work for the OJ case now...
>


Dang!  I SO hoped it was the strip club... I mean, think about it... some
white trash girl with big cojones comes out and when you stick a dollar
in her g-string, she sticks a cd in yours!  It's a great idea!!

and no, I _don't_ frequent those places....

*in best 5 year old boy voice*:  I don't even LIKE girls!

+)

Ivo


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:27:52 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...


Lars excitedly reports

> new Jane Siberry this month

It seems like just yesterday I was looking forward to
_When I Was A Boy_, then heard it and shook my head in
bitter disappointment. But I was willing to give her a second
chance. Everyone has a mediocre album now and then, and based on
her track record, I knew she could still pull off the brilliance
of _The Walking_ or _No Borders Here_. So it was with high hopes
that I sampled a promo copy in a local store (I didn't even know
she had a new one coming out). But, alas, what I heard was drivel,
pure and simple. Perhaps a complete listen to the whole album
would be slightly better, but the bits of every track I listened to
were just bland as hell, easy listening crap. I've already given
up on Kate Bush, and now it looks like I'm on the verge of
disowning Jane Siberry too. Still, she's got a wonderful voice,
so I'll probably look for a cheap copy and give it the full listen
it deserves.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:38:16 -0700
From: Richard Schiek (richard@CHEMENG.STANFORD.EDU)
Subject: Innocence Mission in San Francisco


I saw Innocence Mission at the Great American Music Hall in
San Francisco last night and they were awesome!  I was really
amazed with how "light" and "warm" they kept their songs
when playing live.  Kerin's voice was solid and clear song
to song throughout the show.  Best of all, they played the
song "Curious" from their first album during one of the
encores.  A really great show!!!

The opening acts were two groups called "the catchers" and
"16 horsepower"  The Catchers were a very good, pop/rock
band -- they reminded me of the pale saints without some
of the effects that the saints used.  Lots of happy/bouncy
pop, so I'll definitely look for their CD.

The other group, 16 Horsepower, is from Colorado and were
very interesting too.  They played a mixture of rock with
touches of bluegrass/funk.  The lead singer looked possessed
at times but belted out some really fun lyrics.
Additionally, the lead singer played the lead guitar, banjo
and accordion all very well (especially the banjo and
accordion!).  I only wish that the 6 song ep they were
selling at the show had more accordion songs on it since
those were the most fun.  The other members of the group
played drums, bass and stand-up bass providing a full deep
sound.

So if you have a chance to see Innocence Mission, Catchers or
16 Horsepower then check them out.  For $9.00 the show last
night was well, well worth it!

Rich

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:21:14 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: new releases?


On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, tampering in God's domain, the lower case n wrote:

> I don't even know what the most recent 4ad releases *are*.

...which brings up a suggestion. Since this list is dedicated to a label,
it might be cool if someone w/connections to 4.A.D. could post a regular
listing of new 4.A.D. releases.

Is there such a person here, and is s/he willing to do this?

--Jeff                               "Drive ten thousand miles across America
                                     and you will know more about the country
Jeffrey Norman                       than all the institutes of sociology and
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee            political science put together."
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.

In my CD changer: _Workin' with the Miles Davis Quintet_
                  _Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet_



Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:58:11 -0700
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Howdy from the UK...


Hi folks, Reality here.

I'm currently in the UK, writing my dissertation and scouring
the record shops.

Best Find (So Far): Drowning Pool - _Aphonia_

I didn't even think DP *had* any CDs.  This must have been their
last gasp, though it s pretty good if you like the Chris &
Cosey meets Human Head Transplant ambientness with noise.

2nd Best Find:  Mary Lou Lord - "Jingle Jangle Morning" 7"

Not only did I find cheap Starkman & Sons CDs from 7 years ago
in Brussels, I completed my "Bikini Kill rareties collection"
in London.  I found the Kathleen Hanna spoken word 7", the Suture
7", ,  and this excellent MLL single which features BK band members.
It's an amazing song, and sure to become one of my faves.

Most recent Observation:  Am I the only person who listens to
the Licorice _Joe Friday_ track and thinks: "Hugo Largo"? (This
is a Good Thing, btw!)

Freakiest 4AD-L-type of Experience:  Watching TV... find BayWatch...
big-breasted chicks in skimpy suits swimming to the tune of some
recentish Cocteau Twins song... too spooky, so I change the
channel... onluyy to  to find a commercial featuring yet another
CT song! ...Britain can't be too bad if 50% of the TV channels can
play CT simultaneously!

Most Important Question:  The big bootleg CD thing over here at
the moment seems to be complilation, completist collections.
Available are all the NineInchNails b-sides, remixes, and
compilation tracks on ONE disc.  Or all the KaTe Bush tracks
that didn't make it onto _This Woman's Work_. Etc.  The most
exciting find however was a Pixies Rareties & B-sides, Volume
III, which contained an amazing collection of their hard-to-find
tracks from the last two albums all nicely collected on a
single long CD for 12 pounds sterling (about $18US).  I plan
to pick this little gem up (and post a track listing here,
of course! :-)  My question is: Has any body got a track listing
for the *first* two volumes of this collection?

OK, so I should get back to work now...

Reality

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:09:18 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down


>Here are the final words on the following items.
>This info comes directly from the 4AD US Office.
>
>> Does Slowdive still exist?
>
>No. Slowdive is dead.
>Mojave have taken their place. They will not exist as two
>separate groups, so from now on it's Mojave.
>
>> Is it Chris Trout in Mojave?
>
>No. His name is Christopher Andrews.
>
>> What's the deal with the Body Shop promo?
>
>Yes it IS the "soap variety" Body Shop, not a strip club,
>nor an auto salvage company.

This reminds me.  I once charged a 4AD mail order on my mum's Visa (as I
only have a lousy Discover).  When she got the bill, she saw this 4AD Ltd.
thing and didn't know what it was.  She called Visa and asked, and they
told her 4AD Ltd. was an auto salvaging company or something like that.
Very strange.

bye,

eric

"59 cents gets you a good square meal from the folks who care how you feel. . ."
        -Blur "Magic America"

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:09:31 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)

              "Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}-" at Aug 15,
              95 10:22:42 am

so i've got questions about some (kinda listy) bands.  i've been
holding it all inside and my therapist says to let it out before i
explode. ;)

first, and non-4ad, there was a band several years ago called 'red
temple spirits.'  an old roommate had it (s/t) and it was awesome
gothic, with an uplifting message, as i remember it.  does anyone know
anything about these guys, did they have any other albums, is there
anywhere that i can still find a copy of this on *any* format?

4ad - i finally picked up a hnia cd: mouth by mouth (due to some
tracks i received via the great 4ad tape swap).  it was the only one i
could find locally and i'm impressed.  i tried ordering home is in
your head, but didn't have any luck.  should i be trying to pick up a
different, easier to find release first or is home a good next move
(and where can i find it)?

stereolab - again from the tape swap, i found i liked them.  i picked
up peng! at the local best buy (cheap prices, good music - could it be
a conspiracy in favor of hip-ifying the suburban us?).  i'm impressed.
could someone mail me a comparitive review of there other albums so
that i can decide which one to pick up next (and after that, and after
that, and after that - til i have them all - i'm hooked).

slowdive - well, i found the us release of slovaki (sp?!) in a bargain
bin recently and risked it.  i was tres impressed.  how does their
other work compare?  i realize that mojave is going to be much more
acousticy, but expect that i will have to give it a spin when in is
released.

pale saints - i found, but didn't pick up a copy of "in ribbons"
(without the liner notes) in the used bin the other day.  should i
rush back and see if they still have it?  being as i haven't heard
them, but have heard so many opinions on old, versus new stuff, i'm
unsure.  this one is more time-critical, since i would need to rush
back before someone else snaps it up.

that's it for the questions.  and, to cover the last topic...

so, ivo lorelie humorously wrote
> Dang!  I SO hoped it was the strip club... I mean, think about it... some
> white trash girl with big cojones comes out and when you stick a dollar
> in her g-string, she sticks a cd in yours!  It's a great idea!!

ivo, speaking of "no balls," women don't have cojones (unless they are
preop transexuals or hermaphrodites). :)  (or perhaps my spanish is
not so good, in which case - one flame per customer.  void where
prohibited.)

thanks. - drewwhofoundsomereallycoolmusicandisprettyblissfulatthemoment

                   - public service announcement -
   auctions are cool.  but please post bids only to the auctioneer.
                   - public service announcement -


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:57:39 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new releases?


On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey dropped a bombshell:

> ...which brings up a suggestion. Since this list is dedicated to a label,
> it might be cool if someone w/connections to 4.A.D. could post a regular
> listing of new 4.A.D. releases.
>
> Is there such a person here, and is s/he willing to do this?

  4ad will hopefully have their internet kinks worked out soon, which
  will give us a more timely mail bulletin AND a homepage. :knock on wood:


  *k*  ...catdust. nothing but catdust...


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:34:01 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)


> ivo, speaking of "no balls," women don't have cojones (unless they are
> preop transexuals or hermaphrodites). :)  (or perhaps my spanish is
> not so good, in which case - one flame per customer.  void where
> prohibited.)
>
 D'oh!! You're so RIGHT!  musta been a freudian slip...

please insert the word "ta-tas"

thank you!

Ivo

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:21:47 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: sheepishly shrugging his drunken shoulders...

              at Aug 15, 95 11:27:52 am

> It seems like just yesterday I was looking forward to
> _When I Was A Boy_, then heard it and shook my head in
> bitter disappointment.

Hmm, Brant... I don't know. You are definitely among the minority in
people that I know, in disliking _When I Was A Boy_. Then again, to call
it "mediocre" and go directly on to tell of judging the new album by
"bits", calling it "bland...easy listening crap" without a speck of
insight into just WHY you thought so -- well, it just doesn't seem such a
meaningful opinion/revelation.

In other words, I'm still looking forward to the new album.

--
   http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ -- r. n. dominick -- cinnamon@one.net
                 "Yes! I'm doing *laundry*!" -- the Tick
                  ...into a gambling birdhouse velocity.

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:21:43 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Red Temple Spirits

              <9508151909.AA06709@eno>

> first, and non-4ad, there was a band several years ago called 'red
> temple spirits.'  an old roommate had it (s/t) and it was awesome
> gothic, with an uplifting message, as i remember it.  does anyone know
> anything about these guys, did they have any other albums, is there
> anywhere that i can still find a copy of this on *any* format?

Red Temple Spirits were indeed awesome !!!  I'm pretty sure they only
released 2 lps/cds.  The first one is 'dancing to restore an eclipsed
moon' (or something to that effect) ...it is a double LP/single cd.  The
2nd release was called 'If tomorrow i were leaving for Llhasa, i
wouldn't wait a minute more" (or something like that).

There is also a 7" for "New Land" with amazing packaging !!! I think its
available thru IPR.  Both cds were released on Nate Starkman which might
be hard to find but I know they were floating around everywhere (cheap
too) about a year ago.  I've got a vinyl copy of the first LP that i
would be willing to part with if you're interested. Let me know.


steve
willett@ni.umd.edu

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:40:25 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: new releases?


Well... I can't really give you info on new releases, but for those who
say they don't even know what's out NOW, here's a little bit of what has
been released in '95 (the year of the ta-ta...):

postcard set and that hitchhiking chick actually on the cd as opposed to
the cover)
make your teacher think you're actually studying, when all you're doing
is looking at that cool picture of the bride'n'groom snowstorm)
10" records)
falls for _that_ one)


Ivo


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:32:39 -0500
From: Fortunate Hazel (fhazel@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: jane siberry and kate bush


>were just bland as hell, easy listening crap. I've already given
>up on Kate Bush, and now it looks like I'm on the verge of
>disowning Jane Siberry too.

    is there anybody else who was confused by the
   last kate bush album?  i wonder if brant means
   the sensual world AND the red shoes- i liked TSW
   but red shoes seems to be for 35 year old women
   only... i'm kind of hoping she'll record her next
   album drunk, because this one was way too serious.

                                    -fh
________________________________________________________
fhazel@mail.utexas.edu


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:26:23 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: New releases! and reviews! (long)


Your wish is my command. with the cd promo of "me.me.me" from Air Miami
came this bright yellow paper with 4AD's 95-96 agenda:

> > I don't even know what the most recent 4ad releases *are*.

Aug 22 Tarnation "Gentle Creatures" and Lisa Gerrard "The Mirror Pool"
Septemeber 12 Air Miami "me.me.me."
September 25 Lush EP (no title yet) --- UK release date (drat)
October 2 scheer EP "Schism" --- UK release date
October 17 Mojave "Ask Me Tomorrow"

_1996_

January 16 Heidi Berry
Feburary Lush
March scheer
May/June Dead Can Dance

*** 4AD and Teenbeat present a CMJ convention showcase Friday, September
8, 1995 at the Mercury Lounge 217 East Huron St. (between Ludlow and Essex)

Paula Frazer of Tarnation at 8
Versus at 8:45
Liquorice at 9:45
Air Miami at 10:45
Scheer at 11:45
Tuscadero at 12:45
******************possible guest appearance by mojave**********************

Also...the Air Miami/Throwing Muses tour is definitely ON! (yes!)

The Tarnation record is pretty good. I can see interesting some of you
and boring others to tears. the Warren-produced tracks are good, esp "Big
O Motel" ;) "Lonely Lights" and "D'You Fancy Me." They're not so good
when the guy sings -- his voice is boring -- but when Paula sings it's
pretty good. "Game of Broken Hearts" and "Halfway to Madness" are also
interesting; all the yodeling and slide guitars definitely give it that
country color....It's a little long, or at least it seems long.

the Air Miami promo is pretty. It's sort of a shimmery turquoise with an
airplane (which is an air miami jet, of course) and some stripey boxes on
it... I *promise* to post a review of it soon, esp now that I've got it
on disc. :) After a few listens, I can't tell if I like it as much as
"Perfect Teeth," but who knows. It's a very catchy, pop album.

I can also post a review of the new Mercury Rev if anyone cares....

....god knows why I'm doing this instead of studying for my final.....

ta ta

Heather

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:03:28 -0700
From: mvs (mvs@WCO.COM)
Subject: Lush Video Wanted


Can anyone help me find a dub of "Nothing Natural".  Trade other Lush
video, Cocteau Twins?

Best wishes,

Monty

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:35:23 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: various artists and ivo's no balls (a response)


>
> 4ad - i finally picked up a hnia cd: mouth by mouth (due to some
> tracks i received via the great 4ad tape swap).  it was the only one i
> could find locally and i'm impressed.  i tried ordering home is in
> your head, but didn't have any luck.  should i be trying to pick up a
> different, easier to find release first or is home a good next move
> (and where can i find it)?

Pick up home is in your head (and livonia while yer at it too). They were
re-released on Rykodisc with "The Dirt Eaters" ep tacked on to the end of
home for good measure. Try ordering em thru Ryko...they have a mail order
catalog. You *should* be able to find em at any reasonably hip record
store, though.


> stereolab - again from the tape swap, i found i liked them.  i picked
> up peng! at the local best buy (cheap prices, good music - could it be
> a conspiracy in favor of hip-ifying the suburban us?).  i'm impressed.
> could someone mail me a comparitive review of there other albums so
> that i can decide which one to pick up next (and after that, and after
> that, and after that - til i have them all - i'm hooked).

I think transient-random noise bursts with announcements is their best,
but stereolab are so consistently great you should go for broke and get
em all. :)

.....aaarrgh still not studying......

heather

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:16:52 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: New releases! and reviews! (long)


>Your wish is my command. with the cd promo of "me.me.me" from Air Miami
>came this bright yellow paper with 4AD's 95-96 agenda:

>_1996_

>January 16 Heidi Berry
>Feburary Lush
>March scheer
>May/June Dead Can Dance

Hey!  What about Brendan Perry?  Does anyone know what's going on with that?
Last I heard it was going to be January...

Just curious...

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:18:07 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new releases?


On Tue, 15 Aug 1995, Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- wrote:

> Well... I can't really give you info on new releases, but for those who
> say they don't even know what's out NOW, here's a little bit of what has
> been released in '95 (the year of the ta-ta...):

I didn't say I don't know what's out now, I said I don't *care* what's
out now. :)

> 5001:  Wolfgang Press "Going South"

[etc...]

Jesus Christ it's been a boring year. I thought I must have missed a few
things. You mean this is all?? This is pathetic! Worse, now I have to buy
the damned Liqourice album. What about the Scheer 7"? Does that not have
a cat#?


 einexile, the accidental collector
...who, come to think of it, needs the Going South single...


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:35:25 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: For Sale: The Saddest CD Sale Of All Time


                "The Saddest Sale Of All Time"

Hello everyone, here are the latest bids as of Tuesday, the 15th of August.
I wasn't quite sure how the postage situation worked on these sales, so
after a few helpful posting from the more experienced bidders on the lists,
I decided to take care of the postage. For orders under $25 I will send the
goodies through fourth class mail, for orders over $25 I'll send them through
 first class mail.

To up any bids listed here please email me personally. This sad sale
will end Friday the 18th at Midnight (pacific standard time). I'll post
everyone
who has the high bids on Saturday. For payment you may send Money Order,
well concealed cash, or a personal check (although I'll have to wait till
it clears the bank
before I send you your stuff)

*Send payments to: Adam Cooper Post Box 616 Tempe Arizona USA
*make checks payable to: Adam Cooper

Adorable
"Sunshine Smile" Import EP                      $7.00
"Sunshine Smile" Domestic EP            $5.00
"Sistine Chapel Ceiling" EP                     $7.00
"I'll Be Your Saint" EP                 $8.00
"Homeboy" EP                            $7.00
"Vendetta" EP                           $8.00
"Kangaroo Court" EP                             $8.00

Boo Radleys
"Kaleidescope" EP-                              $21.00
"Every Heaven" EP                               $21.00
"Boo UP" EP                                     $16.00
"Boo! Forever" EP
"Lazy Day" EP
"Wish I Was Skinny" EP
"Lazarus" EP
"The Lazarus EP" Remixes
"Barney & Me" EP
"I Hang Suspended" EP

Blueboy
"River" EP                                      $10.00

Breathless
"Heartburst" Compilation                        $7.00

Catherine Wheel
"Balloon" EP w/ live tracks                     $20.00
"Crome" LP in chrome cover

Chapterhouse
"Pearl" EP-                                     $18.00
"Freefall" EP                                   $18.00
"Freefall" EP                                                   $18.00
"Sunburst" EP                           $20.00
"Mesmerise" EP                          $15.00
"Blood Music" LP w/o insert
"Global Communication" remixes          $30.00
"She's A Vision" EP                             $8.00
"We Are The Beautiful" EP                       $8.00

Curve
"Blindfold" EP                          $5.00
"Cherry" EP ``                          $10.00
"Frozen" EP

East River Pipe
"She's A Real Good Time" EP (Sarah)     $10.00
"Goodbye California" EP (Sarah)                 $12.00
"Shining Hours In A Can" LP (Ajax)              $10.00

Ectasy Of Saint Teresa
"...Fluidtrance Centauri"  (Free)               $8.00

LIlys
"Tone Bender" EP                                $12.00
"In The Presence Of Nothing" LP                 $7.00
"A Brief History Of History...." mini LP        $5.00

Moose
"Liquid Makeup" (Cool Badge)            $12.00
"Sonny And Sam" Compilation             $12.00
"Bang Bang" (Play It Again Sam)                 $10.00

My Bloody Valentine
"Tremelo" EP                            $8.00
"Isn't Anything" LP
"Loveless" LP                           $10.00

Northern Picture LIbrary
"Blue Dissolve" EP                              $9.00
"Love Song For The Dead Che" EP                 $10.00
"Last September's Farewell Kiss" EP     $12.00

Pale Saints
"Blue Flower" 1 song Promo              $5.00
"Flesh Baloon" EP                               $5.00
"Mrs Dolphin" Japanese Import           $30.00
"Fine Friend" EP                                $5.00

Seefeel
"More Like Space" EP                    $8.00
"Quique" LP                                     $12.00
"Polyfusia" LP                          $11.00
"Starethrough" EP                               $10.00

Secret Shine
"Loveblind" EP (Sarah)                  $6.00
"Untouched" LP (Sarah)                  $12.00

Starflyer 59
"She's The Queen" EP                    $10.00
"Starflyer 59" LP                               $15.00

Slowdive
"Holding Our Breath" EP                         $55.00
"Blue Day" French Import                        $35.00
"Outside Your Room" EP                  $20.00
"5EP" EP                                        $20.00
"5EP" (in mind remixes) EP              $20.00
"Soulvaki" Domestic LP w/ 2 bonus tracks        $5.00

Swallow
"Blow" LP                                       $10.00
"Blowback" remixes                              $12.00
"Hush" EP (Rough Trade)                         $14.00

Sugargliders
"Top Forty Sculpture" EP (Sarah)                $6.00
"Trumpetplay" EP (Sarah)                        $6.00
"Will We Ever Learn" EP (Sarah)                 $6.00

Ultra Vivid Scene
"Special One" EP                                $5.00
"Staring At The Sun" EP
"Joy 1967-1990" LP

Wedding Present
"George Best" LP
"Peel Sessions 1987-90"                         $5.00

Compilations
"Why Popstars.." Slumberland Comp       $6.00
"Sunny Sundae Smile" Sunday Comp        $7.00
"Tomorrow's Hits.." Summershine Comp    $7.00

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:15:26 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Saddest CD Sale Of All Time (Current Bids)

              13, 95 08:52:29 am

Adam,
Please send me track listings for the following Compilation.  I'm
interested in the same kind of music as you, but I don't know what Is on
these compilations.


Thanks.
> Compilations > "Why Popstars Can't Dance" Slumberland
> "Sunny Sundae Smile" Sunday Compilation........................$7.00
> "Tomorrow's Hits Today" Summershine Compilation......$7.00
>

Dave


Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:44:06 -0400
From: Charles Clutter (ccutter@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US)
Subject: New Cocteaus Coming!


Just read these solicitications from a US importer for vinyl releases in
the UK upcoming...no news on equivalent CD releases, one can only assume:

Sept 18:  Cocteau Twins "Twilights (Acoustic)" double 7" gatefold sleeve
features Rilkean Heart, Golden View, Pink Orange Red (new version) and
Half Gifts.

October 16:  Cocteau Twins "Otherness (Ambient)" double 7" gatefold sleeve
features Feet Like Fins, Seekers Who Are Lovers, Violaine and Cherry
Colored Funk (new version).

I assume the latter release is the rumoured collaboration with Seefeel,
but I could be wrong.  Anyone know more?