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Subject: Re: Those damned sales
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 22:42:04 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 22:58:41 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Those damned sales
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 01:29:44 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: those damn complaints after sales
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:20:56 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: deluxe album editions?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:45:29 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: SNUB TV video
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:03:20 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 01:01:41 -0700
From: euphonic k (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:28:20 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: deluxe album editions?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:34:56 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: auction bitching
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:44:29 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: deluxe super fine vinyl luxuriant lurve moooosique
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:02:55 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: auction bitching
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:06:50 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Auctions
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:51:50 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: a.o.s-history (repeats itself)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:05:56 -0400
From: "...softly numb..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: One More Time For Muses...
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:48:41 -0700
From: "Scott G. Hamilton" (ska4me@WAVENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Finally Saw "Toward The Within"
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:00:25 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:12:43 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:25:16 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Simple Pale Saints Question?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:31:46 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave tune--Body Shop sampler?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:10:13 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:24:16 -0400
From: "r. n. dominick" (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: SNUB ??
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:55:43 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Simple Pale Saints Question?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:16:30 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Mirror Pool Auction
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:49:05 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard New Air Miami?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:33:02 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Auction Scandal '95!! topic o' the day...
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:13:18 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 10:42:07 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (mfischer@NSI.EDU)
Subject: Re: deluxe album editions?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:26:22 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: It's NOWHERE on the box!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:26:43 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: One More Time For Muses...
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:57:14 -0700
From: darkglassdolleyes (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Simple Pale Saints Question?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:09:49 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:27:44 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Live: Love Spirals & Lovesliescrushing & SIDDAL
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:24:41 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: hear-hear (more reviews)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:03:57 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:34:47 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Limmited Deluxe E-Mail
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:18:16 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Live: Love Spirals & Lovesliescrushing & SIDDAL
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:59:04 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: spoonfed hybrid
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:17:58 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: new that dog. good dog.
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:12:00 CDT
From: "michael d. martin" ($sismdm@cpua.it.luc.edu)
Subject: so keep your UPDATES to yourself
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:47:11 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: so keep your UPDATES to yourself
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:05:28 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: slowdive nerds need mo jave
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:19:57 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Nasty T.Amos poke- was Re: Auction, sale and ARGGH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:11:57 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: so keep your UPDATES to yourself
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:57:31 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: 4ad rumors nailed down
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:03:50 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:15:11 -0400
From: "Nicole R. Derby" (av026@freenet.Buffalo.EDU)
Subject: Kill the messenger!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:56:37 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:59:10 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:38:00 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: give a little whistle
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:51:08 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: more 4ad rumors nailed down
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:01:11 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: I "hate" 4AD
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 21:42:08 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM

Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 22:42:04 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Those damned sales


Ever heard of the delete key?

Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 22:58:41 -0700
From: adam (whirl@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


That exactly why the big thing known as a subject heading is such a
valuable reference my peeved friend, it relieves you from having to deal
with by simply pressing the delete key. As far as a commercial venture goes
you're on crack if you think I like selling off some of my most prized
possesioms too make a buck, it's more like rent,... you whiner

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 01:29:44 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Those damned sales


On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, adam wrote:

> Ever heard of the delete key?
>

Ever heard of the fact that a lot of folks don't change subject
headers--so that it's perfectly possible that an interesting message
*might* (but might not) lurk under an uninteresting header? Ever heard of
the fact that 100 messages about selling shit still take 100 strokes of
the d key to get rid of? Ever heard of the fact that they still clog up
one's mailbox?

Ever heard of common courtesy?

--Jeff

Jeffrey Norman                                     "Can you write underwater
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                    on liquid paper?"
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:20:56 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: those damn complaints after sales


under the influence of mexican prescription drugs, Jeffrey with 2 f's
Jeffrey mumbled:

ever heard of a chill pill? bandwidth this, bandwidth that. whatever macro
you use to delete mail, use it. use it. use it. one message here, another
message there about sale this or sale that, off topic or not, is not going
to kill your mailbox or fill your quota.
my hypocritical statement of the day: how come more space is wasted *after*
original 'junk' is sent? i am a case in point. there, i eat my words, you
do not have to flame me back. just PRESS DELETE and world peace will
commence.

stuff, and some other stuff too. adam is not the only one who has to pay
the rent.
.joanna.
week without brushing it. i have learned my painful lesson this morning.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
'there're pieces of me you've never seen' - tori amos
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:45:29 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: deluxe album editions?


>>does anyone have a list of deluxe editions of 4AD albums released?
>
>I don't wanna sound like a complete moron but what is a deluxe album?

Most of the deluxe editions of 4AD (UK) releases have an extra D after the
catalog letters. For example CAD D 703 is the _Lonley is an Eysore_ vinyl LP
that comes in the fold-apart sleeve with the big book in it. The extra,
super-duper deluxe wooden LIAE box that collectors drool about is CAD X 703
though.
If someone doesn't have a list of these, you could probably use the interactive
version of the eyesore database to search for that extra "D" in the cat. #.
Lars could probably do this in his sleep. not me though.

The ones I can think of off hand, the numbers I looked up in eyesore:

VAD D 4015 _Toward the Within_ box with video and cd
CAD D 5002 CD _University_ box with postcards and cd
BAD D 2001 "For Love" 10"
CAD D 2002 CD _Spooky_ fold-out digipak
CAD D 2002 _Spooky_ double 10"
CAD D 4002 CD _Hips and Makers_ digipak with lyric cards
CAD D 4002 [CD] the second "Firepile" ep
CAD D 2013 [CD] _Red Heaven_ with Kristin Hersh live at Maxwells
the Belly _King_ book

There are probably a lot more that aren't as recent.
-nick

Hm, another kind of obscure question:
Is the _Blue Bell Knoll_ dat the only dat 4AD released, and why they went with
this format for this one(?) release?

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:03:20 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: SNUB TV video


Yes, there was a vol2. I can't remember what is on it bit I think it has
the Breeders doing Iris.

'H'

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 01:01:41 -0700
From: euphonic k (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


> Am I the only one that is getting rilly, rilly, *rilly* fed up with
> all these auction/sale messages? I mean, we do have
> rec.music.marketplace, which is the place to go if you want to sell
> old records.
>
> Grumpily yours, Lars.

  yes, there are places like rec.music.marketplace to pitch your stuff
  at, BUT not everyone receives and/or subs to such groups. *also*, if
  you are selling something "thislisty", it's a good idea to sell it on
  the list that coined the term. plus, if the sub says For Sale or Auction
  or something to that effect, and you can skip over it...do so. only
  the digest subscribers have a right to feel really grumpy about this...

  what i'm grumpy about is the fact that our li'l list doesn't do much
  in the way of real discussion. we chit chat about where all the new
  promos are, sometimes there will be a review of some music...but the
  intellectual / pseudo-intellectual conversations are quite rare....



  in the room the women come and go
            talking of Michelangelo, *kelli-jeanne*


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:28:20 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (lingebri@SUNSCIPW.CERN.CH)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


euphonic k  writes:

>   yes, there are places like rec.music.marketplace to pitch your stuff
>   at, BUT not everyone receives and/or subs to such groups. *also*, if
>   you are selling something "thislisty", it's a good idea to sell it on
>   the list that coined the term.

Yes, that's true. I don't really mind the sales stuff that much, but
it seems to have totally exploded these last weeks. Auctions, auction
updates every two days, bids, new sales, and it just seems to
snowball. The more people do sales, the more this list will become a
sales list. (If you know what I mean.)

I'm just asking, nay, *pleading* for a little restraint.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars in Geneva

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:34:56 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: Re: deluxe album editions?


Oh, I'm sure there's _lots_ more, but here's what I know about.

903 Throing Muses-Dizzy limited 10"
905 Pixies-Doolittle vinyl included booklet
0010 Pixies-Bossanova vinyl included booklet
2001 Lush-For Love limited 10" w/alternate artwok
2002 Lush-Spooky double 10" w/alternate artwork
     Lush-Spooky fold out digipak w/alternate artork
2012 Throwing Muses-Firepile (part two)
2013 Throwing Muses-Red Heaven w/Kristin Hersh live CD
2018 Belly-Gepetto [remix disc 2]
3002 Belly-Star w/postcards
3004 Frank Black-Frank Black limited LP
3014 Breeders-Divine Hammer limited 10"
4002 Kristin Hersh-limited edition digipak w/postcards
4007 Frank Black-Headache (part two)
4012 Breeders-Head To Toe limited 10"
4015 Dead Can Dance-Toward the Within Video and CD box
4016 The Wolfgang Press-Funky Little Demons
5002 Throwing Muses-University CD in plastic box w/postcards
5004 Belly-King limited book

Then of course there are the limited temporary releases:
2015 Swallow-Blowback remixes CD in a digipak
2019 Throwing Muses-The Curse live CD in a digipak
4003 Lisa Germano-Inconsiderate Bitch remixes CD in digipak

______________________
shane | shane@trex.org


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:44:29 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: auction bitching


i disagree with most ppl on the list saying that the sales/auction
postings are not courteous and a bitch to look at and all
that...yeh, there is a delete key and just press it if you don't want to
read it.  i enjoy seeing ppl sell and auction stuff, at least i know
i can get some good hard-to-find thislisty stuff while i'm checking my
e-mail...if it were not for these auctions, i would not have been able to
get some rarities that i have now.  i am very thankful for those who do
wish to let go of their most prized possessions and share it with the
rest of us...yeh there are those rec.music.marketplaces groups, but not
everyone can get it or not everyone knows how to get on it.  i'm sure
those of you who have bidded on an hard-to-find item and gotten it are
very glad that they have this medium to get something they have been
wanting for a long time.  so just be thankful you do have this type of
service and stop bitching...maybe those of you who are bitching and are
tired of seeing these auctions are the ones who already have everything
and don't need to be bothered by what you already have.

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:02:55 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: deluxe super fine vinyl luxuriant lurve moooosique


What is a deluxe album?

Well, most record companies release their material in bog standard formats
- nasty platic cases and bad artwork.

4AD are a luvverly bunch of people who make sure for most releases there is
also a 'deluxe package' available when an album is first released. This
isn't so easy to do with cds (but usually means a bonus cd being included,
eg Red Heaven came with a live Kristen Hersch cd, Funky Little Demons came
with a four track remix cd)

Where the concept comes into its own is with the 4AD vinyl releases: Lush's
compilation lp (I forget what it was actually called coz its just the
singles to me) came in a double sleeved affair with artwork printed INSIDE
the sleeve - the cd I believe was a foldout box thing which a friend at
college cooed about for weeks. The Lush lp after that came in a double
10inch vinyl gatefold.

These are normally priced editions that go to good independent outlets (the
UK's "Chain With No Name" usually). So, if you're a fan, when you want the
new release you can pick up a sort of lovingly hand crafted "thank you for
buying me in the first week and ensuring that Tower Records doesn't have a
complete monopoly" gift from your friends the artistes.

Either that or its a cynical ploy........

                                                       - graham -


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:06:50 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: auction bitching


Remember there are other people on this list who don't reside in the US.
How many bids are received from non-US list members.
Maybe I'm a little jealous seeing all these rare Cds and promos etc
for sale that I can't get.
As I have never sent money to the US how do you go about doing it?
And how reliable is it?

'H'


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:51:50 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Auctions


I'm also happy that people sell stuff on the list. I've
managed to pick up a lot of good stuff this way. However
I don't think that bid updates should go to the list,
only to interested parties. Also bids to the seller should
always be sent direct to the seller, not to the list.
If people would hold to these standards, I don't think there
would be much to complain about. The problem lies however
in education, as always.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:05:56 -0400
From: "...softly numb..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: a.o.s-history (repeats itself)


i have no idea if it's a thislisty topic or not, but it is worth a shot. B-)

        i have the soundtrack to natural born killers, and there is this
        song called "history (repeats itself)" by a band called a.o.s.
        [track 14].  since i got the cd (when the movie came out), i've
        been looking all over for info on this band, but found rien. B-(
        only now it occurred to me to ask if anyone knows anything about
        a.o.s.  the song does sound a bit thislisty, imho.  please, let me
        know if anyone has any info on them.

Obrigado; B-)

             Joherius-who has just started taking a class on
                      Mechanical Avunculogratulation, and plans
                      to pursue Tetrapyloctomy when he turns 23.

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 08:48:41 -0700
From: "Scott G. Hamilton" (ska4me@WAVENET.COM)
Subject: Re: One More Time For Muses...


>> Their last time through, unfortunately, the show was marred by a really
>> atrocious mix that gobbled up Kristin's vocals and left much of the set a
>
>
>Yes, when they played here in Houston, Kristen's vocals were very muted.
>I figured they just had them very mixed down for some reason or another. The
>rest of the band was very tight and all in all it was quite amazing, but I
>definitely missed hearing Kristen's powerful voice....
>
>lisaroo
>
>
funny this should come up, because i've had the opportunity to see them seven
times this year, and that's been my biggest frustration at all but one of
the shows,
and the lone exception was a big outdoor festival with a monster sound system.
it's such a contrast to kristin's solo tour, where her voice was _the_ focus
of the
show--and fortunately so.

scott

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:00:25 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Finally Saw "Toward The Within"


The opening to Toward The Within is compiled footage from
the movie Baraka. The movie also contains DCD's
"Host of Seraphim" in full, and a smattering of Lisa Gerrard
vocal bits in one section. I highly recommend the film, especially
if you can still see it at a cinema or especially an IMAX.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:12:43 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


> all these auction/sale messages? I mean, we do have
> rec.music.marketplace, which is the place to go if you want to sell
> old records.
>


Amen, brother!!

*waves bible frantically in the air*


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:25:16 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


> possesioms too make a buck, it's more like rent,... you whiner
>


I could say that this is a completely out of line flame, and I could say
if you need to pay rent, try using your paycheck for it instead of buying
these rare items which you only end up having to auction off anyway....


...but I'll keep my mouth shut this time...


*running for my protective flame-proof suit*

Ivo

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:31:46 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Simple Pale Saints Question?

              "thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM" at Aug 14, 95 09:51:50 am

Could some one please tell me what is on the Japanese disc
by the Pale Saints - Mrs. Dolphin?   Is it just two eps and the secret
track that was on the vinyl for Half Life remembered?

 Thanks.

 Dave

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:10:13 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Mojave tune--Body Shop sampler?


On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, Ryan Ferguson wrote:

> I was talking about this cd to a friend of mine who works for Polygram
> records (distributor of 4AD in Canada) and he told me that the mystery
> track is not Mojave but is in fact another song from Tarnation.  Also he

   Untrue...I've heard the whole Mojave album...that's not Tarnation.
Tarnation couldn't sound that good if they tried REAL hard.

> said that there is a good chance Slowdive will remain Slowdive and not
> change the name to Mojave (something about a fanbase).

   Fan base schman base,  the 4AD band is called Mojave

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:24:16 -0400
From: "r. n. dominick" (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


>  yes, there are places like rec.music.marketplace to pitch your stuff
>  at, BUT not everyone receives and/or subs to such groups. *also*, if
>  you are selling something "thislisty", it's a good idea to sell it on
>  the list that coined the term. plus, if the sub says For Sale or Auction
>  or something to that effect, and you can skip over it...do so. only
>  the digest subscribers have a right to feel really grumpy about this...

I don't think that anyone is complaining about just *one* sale posting. It's
that many updates and should-be-in-personal-mail-but-isn't messages get sent
to the list also, taking up more bandwith than is needed. I belong to four
or five mailing lists, and the extra mail DOES get to me... especially when
I sort it out, see that ten messages are from the 4ad list -- and then most
of them are, to me, junk.

>  what i'm grumpy about is the fact that our li'l list doesn't do much
>  in the way of real discussion. we chit chat about where all the new
>  promos are, sometimes there will be a review of some music...but the
>  intellectual / pseudo-intellectual conversations are quite rare....

I think this has more than a bit to do with the way the change to the new
list server was handled. I know that I was dropped from the list, and I
never got a message saying "hey, we're moving"... me being someone who has
been on the list, lurking sometimes, participating sometimes, for years,
across five or six different accounts. I found out randomly from Yahoo that
the list had moved just a few weeks ago; and I agree, the tone of the list
seems to have changed quite a bit.

             "Yes! I'm doing LAUNDRY!" -- the Tick

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:55:43 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: SNUB ??


I bought this video in a Dutch record-shop called 'Free Record Shop' (but
you have to pay for everything...) at the sales-department. There was only
one left.  I don't know if there are any more available.

I will look and ask again, if I can get another one (or more), I will leave
a message in this giant mailbox.


Emiel

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:16:30 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Simple Pale Saints Question?


Mrs. Dolphin contains all the tracks from:

"Barging Into the Presence of God"

and

"Half-Life"

It also has that secret track, plus a couple of others I can't recall
at this time.

Mike
iceblink@Delphi.com

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 02:49:05 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Mirror Pool Auction


I totally agree with jenor!  I like very much the stuff for sale, and
the auctions are good, too.  However, the blow by blow bidding has to
go.  This is for private email.  Please report the start of the
auction and the going twice results( to allow those just getting on
the list a chance for a last minute bid).  The bidding in between and
the final results are for private email only.  Keep this shit off
4ad-l!  I am serious.  Are you follks too lazy to run the auction
properly?  Too stupid?  What is your excuse for being so
inconsiderate?  Even if your mail reader doesn't distinquish between
the list and the listie( in mailx 'r' and 'R'), you should still use
an emailer and a mouse grab to send a private response( under mailx
'm' and cut and paste with the mouse under X windows).


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:33:02 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard New Air Miami?


Eeeeek....I'll post the review of that and tarnation shortly, I promise!

heather

On Mon, 14 Aug 1995 DscribeDC@AOL.COM wrote:

> Has anyone heard an advance copy of the new Air Miami CD "Me Me Me" (rel.
> 9/12)?  If so, could you distribute a review?
>
> Dave G.
>

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:13:18 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Auction Scandal '95!! topic o' the day...


I agree that once an original posting about an auction is made, the rest
should be done through private email.

I also agree that the flames should be private too.

This morning I posted a flame to a flame in response to the response to
the original posting.  The person replied to me privately, and in turn I
responded privately to him... although this may turn out to be yet
another verbal arm wrestling match (turn out??? like it isn't
already???), at least we have the decency to keep our petty arguments
private... this should be practiced more often.

Now let's all kiss, make up, and talk about how beautiful the Lisa
Gerrard cd (the actual cd) looks....

*putting on that lovely ruby red lipstick and turning to Lars first*

Ivo

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 10:42:07 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (mfischer@NSI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


> I don't think that anyone is complaining about just *one* sale posting. It's
> that many updates and should-be-in-personal-mail-but-isn't messages get sent
> to the list also, taking up more bandwith than is needed. I belong to four
> or five mailing lists, and the extra mail DOES get to me... especially when
> I sort it out, see that ten messages are from the 4ad list -- and then most
> of them are, to me, junk.

Agreed.  Does anyone think it's at all possible for us to start a monthly
digest for this list--one, for example, that just provides us with a recap of
weekly discussions, and NEW information that isn't being regurgitated?

I don't know about you, but all I really want from this list is announcements
of new albums, gatherings, etc.  I really could care less about what everyone
thinks of "that obscure sample on Band XXX's promo DAT that you can only find
in some store in Botswana".

I guess I just need to install a mail filter or something ;-)

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:26:22 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: deluxe album editions?


On Monday, August 13 Shane wrote:

>Oh, I'm sure there's _lots_ more, but here's what I know about.
>
>903 Throing Muses-Dizzy limited 10"
>905 Pixies-Doolittle vinyl included booklet
>0010 Pixies-Bossanova vinyl included booklet
>2001 Lush-For Love limited 10" w/alternate artwok
>2002 Lush-Spooky double 10" w/alternate artwork
>     Lush-Spooky fold out digipak w/alternate artork
>2012 Throwing Muses-Firepile (part two)
>2013 Throwing Muses-Red Heaven w/Kristin Hersh live CD
>2018 Belly-Gepetto [remix disc 2]
>3002 Belly-Star w/postcards
>3004 Frank Black-Frank Black limited LP
>3014 Breeders-Divine Hammer limited 10"
>4002 Kristin Hersh-limited edition digipak w/postcards
>4007 Frank Black-Headache (part two)
>4012 Breeders-Head To Toe limited 10"
>4015 Dead Can Dance-Toward the Within Video and CD box
>4016 The Wolfgang Press-Funky Little Demons
>5002 Throwing Muses-University CD in plastic box w/postcards
>5004 Belly-King limited book
>
>Then of course there are the limited temporary releases:
>2015 Swallow-Blowback remixes CD in a digipak
>2019 Throwing Muses-The Curse live CD in a digipak
>4003 Lisa Germano-Inconsiderate Bitch remixes CD in digipak


The limited Breeders 'Divine Hammer' 10" is BADD 3017.
BAD 3014 is the Breeders' Splash' LP with the free BREED 2 demos 7"

Some more DD's:
DADD 5005 Red House Painters 'Ocean Beach' double-10"
BADD 5007 Belly 'Seal My Fate' live CD-EP

Hey, who invented that CAD X 703 number for the 'Lonely Is An Eyesore'
wooden boxset? It's NOWHERE on the box!

Frank

++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:26:43 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: It's NOWHERE on the box!


>Hey, who invented that CAD X 703 number for the 'Lonely Is An Eyesore'
>wooden boxset? It's NOWHERE on the box!


Frank,

In some 4AD-discography-lists it has been given this number... (maby just
'to give it one')
So you'll have to take a marker and write it down on the box by yourself :)

e.e.

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:57:14 -0700
From: darkglassdolleyes (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: One More Time For Muses...


jvivid wrote:

> looking forward to the new album out in the fall...Juliette

What? Is Kristin gonna start going two-a-year?! I LOVE being a fan of a
prolific artist!

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:09:49 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Simple Pale Saints Question?


>Mrs. Dolphin contains all the tracks from:
>
>"Barging Into the Presence of God"
>
>and
>
>"Half-Life"
>
>It also has that secret track, plus a couple of others I can't recall
>at this time.

Funny, I just put it in 5 minutes ago.

Track Listing:

 1.  Sight of You
 2.  She Rides the Waves
 3.  Mother Might
 4.  Colours and Shapes (a "new" song)
 5.  A Deeper Sleep for Steven (a remix of the "Comforts. . ." track)
 6.  Half-Life, Remembered
 7.  Baby Maker
 8.  Two Sick Sisters
 9.  A Revelation
10.  The Colour of the Sky

"Barging" and The Colour of the Sky has some weird music box tune at the
end of it.  It lasts about 30 seconds or so and slowly winds down.  Very
eerie. . (Does anyone know what song it's playing?)

bye,

eric

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:27:44 -0600
From: pyromaniac on crack (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


under the influence of mexican prescription drugs, r. n. dominick mumbled:

four or five, hehehe. try about 35, dear. 30 or so musically related. this
is why i don't complain about this list, i just delete and move on. you
know, you get used to it after a while.

and as for ivo's *completely* rude comment about rent, if i'm not mistaken
isn't adam the editor for whirlpool zine and a musician? i'm just starting
out in music comparatively and am selling much of my 400-strong cd
collection to buy equipment *and* pay my rent for next month. music to some
people is *life*, not just something to put on your stereo, and to those of
us for whom music is *really* important, it often comes above other
purchases such as clothes, food, rent, or drugs. but it seems you don't
understand that. btw not all of us can afford to go to a $20,000+ school
like usc.
flames in private so that people don't tire their 'd' keys and fingers,
.joanna.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
'there're pieces of me you've never seen' - tori amos
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:24:41 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Live: Love Spirals & Lovesliescrushing & SIDDAL

              <950811181418_72255558@aol.com>

> These shows are confirmed.  Projekt recording artists Love Spirals Downwards
> and Lovesliescrushing will be performing together in Philadelphia and New
> York:
>
> Philadelphia-Friday, September 1 at Asylum, 1517 N. Delaware Ave, (215)
> 427-1087
> Boston- Thursday, August 31 at TT The Bear, 10 Brookline Street, Central Sq.,
> (617)-492-BEAR

Siddal will be opening the Boston & Philadelphia shows!!!

steve
Bedazzled


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:03:57 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: hear-hear (more reviews)


First the obligatory "I don't mind auctions" comment.

And a big YES for the idea to have more reviews / music discussion.

So here's my submission.

Daniel Figgis - Skipper
-----------------------
(all of this is off the top of my head, so a better one
will be posted to our web page very soon, to start off
a new feature.)
Daniel Figgis is an Irish composer, a term which might
imply classical music. And there's a definite orchestral element,
involving string arrangements a` la Martin McCarrick, with
violins/viola/cello, but that's merely 1/10 of the story.
Imagine Warren Defever conducting an orchestra and you can
fill in the rest. ("Orchestra" isn't really the right term, at
least not strictly in the classical sense, but more sort of a
new age sense.) There is an oddness,
or a freedom from guidelines and rational thought that flows
through the music, creating something truly original. Many of the songs
are built around a harmonium (sounds like a cross between an
accordion and a keyboard, or maybe a hurdy-gurdy and Kendra Smith's
pump organ), with a whole ton of other noises and creatively named
instruments thrown in: clocks winding, wooden creaks and clunks,
fuzzbass, bomb guitar, wave, flutes, tuned distortion, piano, badly
treated piano, foghorn, shortwaves, tape loops, turntable (a skipping
runout groove adding to the rhythm), book (the sound of flipping
pages followed by the book being dropped on a table, and the
"smack" sound made to resonate through the other instruments).
It's all quite amazing and beautiful, very lush with the strangest
textures. It's pretty hard to describe, but I highly recommend it.
Now, if you can just find it... It's import only on Rough Trade.

Has anyone else heard this album?

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:34:47 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


if all you want is a monthy recap of what was discussed on the list,
then you should subscribe to the sink-n-tired list (there are two
versions, I think: one that is a post&reply set up like this
list, and the other being the monthly mailer that recaps discussions
on a large number of li) so you don't have to bother with
reading the messages yourself.  It's kinda like the t.v. show TALK SOUP,
which does recaps of the events on daily talk shows.  Maybe that's
what you're looking for...

mike

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:18:16 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Limmited Deluxe E-Mail


This is a list of deluxe/limited editions that I know of.
Most of them are UK-releases, some of them US, and a few Dutch (benelux)

There are a lot more... (Japanese? US? Canada? France? ...?)


This Mortal  -   Coil   Kangeroo  -   AD        410
* limited edition with gatefold poster sleeve

This Mortal  -   Coil   Drugs / Come Here My Love  -   BAD      608
* limited ten-inch

Compilation  -   Lonely Is An Eyesore  -   CADD 703
* limited big sleeve, booklet

Compilation  -   Lonely Is An Eyesore  -   CADX 703
* ltd. lp, cd, cassette, video in 100 wooden box sets

Cocteau Twins  -  Blue Bell Knoll  -  CADD 807
* limited deluxe edition lp

Cocteau Twins  -  Blue Bell Knoll  -  CADT 807
* dat-tape (only 4AD dat-release as far as I know of)

M|A|R|R|S  -   Pump Up The Volume/Anitina  -   BAD      707 R
* limited remix 12 inch

Throwing Muses  -  Dizzy  -  BADD 903
* limited edition 10-inch

Ultra Vivid Scene  -  Something To Eat  -  AD 908
* issued as a promo, given away free in record shops

Pixies  -   Trompe Le Monde  -   CAD    1014
* limited edition in Holland, including extra live-tracks

Cocteau Twins  -   10 Disc CD Collection  -   CT        BOX 1
* collection of ten cd-singles, includes unreleased tracks

Lush  -   Spooky  -   CADD      2002 / BADD 2002
* limitid edition double 10-inch and digipack compact disc

Michael Brook  -   Live At The Aquarium  -   TAD 2011
* a temporary release

Throwing Muses  -   Firepile {part two}  -   BADD       2012
* just limited

Throwing Muses  -   Red Heaven  -   CADD        2013
* including extra Kristin Hersh live solo tracks

Swallow  -   Blowback  -   TAD  2015 CD
* a temporary release

Throwing Muses  -   The Curse  -   TAD  2019 CD
* a temporary release (live)

Belly  -   Star  -   CAD        3002
* limited digipack with booklet inside

Frank Black  -   Frank Black  -   CADD  3004
* limited deluxe-edition lp

Belly  -   Gepetto {remix disc two}  -   BADD   2018
* limited

Compilation  -   The 13-Year Itch  -   (shuffle)
* available for one week only as a limited edition of 2000 at ICA London

Compilation  -   The 13-Year Itch  -   (shuffle)
* limited video

Kristin Hersh  -   Hips And Makers  -   CAD     4002
* digipack cd with postcards

Kristin Hersh  -  Strings e.p.  -  ADD 4006
* limited edition 7 inch

Lisa Germano  -   Inconsiderate Bitch  -   TAD  4003 CD
* a temporary release

Frank Black  -   Headache {second version}  -   BADD    4007 CD
* limited

Frank Black  -   Teenager Of The Year  -   DAD  4009
* limited european release, with extra 3-track cd

Lush  -   Split  -   CAD        4011
* limited european release, with extra 3-track cd

The Breeders  -   Head To Toe  -   BADD 4012
* limited ten inch release

Dead Can Dance  -   Toward The Within  -   VADD 4015
* limited deluxe presentation box: includes video & compact disc

Compilation  -   All Virgos Are Mad  -   45789
* Compiled for All Virgos Are Mad, Sept 27 - Oct 2, 1994 Los Angeles
limited edition of 10,000

Throwing Muses  -   University  -   CADD        5002
* llimited edition cd contains digipack cd and a series of eight postcards
in a box

The Wolfgang Press  -   Funky Little Demons  -   CADD   4016
* includes a bonus remix cd (TPW 6 CD)

Belly  -   King  -   CAD        5004
* limited A5 size hardback book-style edition cd

Belly  -   King  -   170.5004.20
* including a limited bonus 3-track demo cd

Compilation  -   Joe Friday  -   K      9
* originally put together as a 'promotional only' item
for the U.S. Available on 4AD Mail Order only

Red House Painters  -   Ocean Beach  -   CAD    5005
  double ten-inch with extra track ('Long Distance Runaround')

Belly  -   Seal My Fate (Live)  -   BADD        5007
* limited Edition transparant vinyl

Belly  -   Seal My Fate  -   AD 5007
* limited edition on transparant vinyl

This Mortal Coil  -   1983 - 1991  -  9 45135-2
* limited edition, us-only, four cd's in a 'book'

Lisa Gerrard  -  The Mirror Pool  -  CADD 5009 CD
* I think this one will be a deluxe-limited version

v23  -  This Rimy River: Vaughan Oliver and v23
* extremely limited edition (500 copies worldwide), out in September 1995 (?)


Emiel.

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:59:04 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Live: Love Spirals & Lovesliescrushing & SIDDAL


You wrote:
>
>> These shows are confirmed.  Projekt recording artists Love Spirals
Downwards
>> and Lovesliescrushing will be performing together in Philadelphia
and New
>> York:
>>
>> Philadelphia-Friday, September 1 at Asylum, 1517 N. Delaware Ave,
(215)
>> 427-1087
>> Boston- Thursday, August 31 at TT The Bear, 10 Brookline Street,
Central Sq.,
>> (617)-492-BEAR
>
>Siddal will be opening the Boston & Philadelphia shows!!!
>
DAMN, this is turning out to be a GREAT show! i was going to go just
when it was LSD. now that these other two are on, there is no way i
can't go.


                                        -robert.

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:17:58 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: spoonfed hybrid


As long as we're on the subject of deluxes, is there anyone out there who
wants to part with his/her Japanese import Spoonfed Hybrid S/T album (you
know, the one with the two bonus tracks.)  Having them on vinyl just
doesn't do it for me.

eric, for whom music is life, even though he isn't a jaded "artiste."


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:12:00 CDT
From: "michael d. martin" ($sismdm@cpua.it.luc.edu)
Subject: new that dog. good dog.


Haven't seen any posts about the new that dog. I remember their first
album being pretty much trashed here in 4ad-land, although it did have
a few supporters. I thought it was about average. Well, I just bought
the new album and I think it's incredible. They seem much more
confident in their playing abilities and the songs have a tighter, more
straight forward feel to them. The balance between clean and thick
buzzy guitar sounds is right on. All the guitar sounds are great and
it's even better when anna switches from clean to distortion to clean
again. The songs have a great deal of texture to them. I listened to
the new album at a tower listening booth, so if you're close to one you
may want to check it out there first. Also, their video for he's
kissing christian was on 120 minutes last night. Anyone else have any
opinions on this?

michael

$sismdm@luccpua.it.luc.edu


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:47:11 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: so keep your UPDATES to yourself


> I don't think that anyone is complaining about just *one* sale posting. It's

  i don't remember the initial complaint being solely about bidding updates,
  and so i only responded to what i did read...which was a complaint about
  selling and/or auctioning stuff off on the list.

> that many updates and should-be-in-personal-mail-but-isn't messages get sent
> to the list also, taking up more bandwith than is needed.

  and in turn, these notes are taking up bandwith. i'm not going to get
  started on the "waste of bandwith" issue because i think it's a crock...

> I belong to four
> or five mailing lists, and the extra mail DOES get to me... especially when
> I sort it out, see that ten messages are from the 4ad list -- and then most
> of them are, to me, junk.

  there are ways of filtering your mail, and anyone who has a problem
  with junk mail should look into such programs if their internet
  service allows for such.

> I think this has more than a bit to do with the way the change to the new
> list server was handled. I know that I was dropped from the list, and I
> never got a message saying "hey, we're moving"... me being someone who has
> been on the list, lurking sometimes, participating sometimes, for years,
> across five or six different accounts. I found out randomly from Yahoo that
> the list had moved just a few weeks ago; and I agree, the tone of the list
> seems to have changed quite a bit.

  well, i thought the list had a major discussion problem long before it
  moved....but that's just me....



  *k-j* ....a plague upon your internet service....

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:05:28 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: so keep your UPDATES to yourself


On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, euphonic noisegirl wrote:

>   well, i thought the list had a major discussion problem long before it
>   moved....but that's just me....

No, no, it's not just you.

Martin

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:19:57 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: slowdive nerds need mo jave


On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, Ryan Ferguson wrote:
>
> > said that there is a good chance Slowdive will remain Slowdive and not
> > change the name to Mojave (something about a fanbase).
>
>    Fan base schman base,  the 4AD band is called Mojave

Does ANYONE on this list have actual proof or even first hand word of
mouth that Mojave and Slowdive do not exist at the same time?? I have
asked this question three times. If the answer is in fact NO, would
somebody please admit it?

The Mojave album cannot possibly be as different as Pygmalion was from
5ep or 5ep was from Souvlaki, and I can't conceive that Neil Halstead
would be so shallow to let label relationships influence the names of his
musical projects. That is disgusting to me.

Several people on this list have heard the Mojave song on the new
sampler, and should have no question in their mind as to whether or not
Chris Trout is playing piano on the record or not. Why has there been no
speculation on this at all? You people need some caffeine. There used to
be some serious detective work going on here. Now you bunch of dishwater
Slowdive fans face your greatest challenge and you just sit there with
your feet soaking, reading Anne Rice or falling asleep. Disgusting!

*PHHHBBBTT*


 einexile, truly an enemy of the people

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:11:57 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Nasty T.Amos poke- was Re: Auction, sale and ARGGH!


> 'there're pieces of me you've never seen' - tori amos

Like talent?
        -Martin


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:57:31 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: so keep your UPDATES to yourself


The bandwidth being wasted is peoples time having to delete this stuff.
The filters out there are a far cry from the artificial intelligence
neccessary to do what would be needed.

The problem is indeed the bidding updates.  This is private email
stuff.

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:03:50 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: 4ad rumors nailed down


Here are the final words on the following items.
This info comes directly from the 4AD US Office.

> Does Slowdive still exist?

No. Slowdive is dead.
Mojave have taken their place. They will not exist as two
separate groups, so from now on it's Mojave.

> Is it Chris Trout in Mojave?

No. His name is Christopher Andrews.

> What's the deal with the Body Shop promo?

Yes it IS the "soap variety" Body Shop, not a strip club,
nor an auto salvage company.
The promo CD WILL be available in a few select Body Shops,
with a minimum purchase of soap, bath beads, or whatever.
The reason no-one has had any luck yet is that the promotion
has not yet started. Those on the Warner Bros. mailing list
received theirs already, but no Body Shops have any yet.
I am told that there will be nothing on the CD that you can't
easily get elsewhere. And the hidden track IS Mojave.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:15:11 -0400
From: "Nicole R. Derby" (av026@freenet.Buffalo.EDU)
Subject: Re: Auction, sale and ARGGHHH!


right on!


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:56:37 -0700
From: the vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Kill the messenger!


On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> No. Slowdive is dead.
> No.
> the promotion has not yet started.
> no Body Shops have any yet.
> there will be nothing on the CD

Gee, that's about the most depressing post I've ever seen on this
listserv, and I read the whole Auction War. Thanks for getting us up to
speed, Brant, you're a pal. :)

4AD really knows how to keep us coming back for more, eh?


 einexile, who no longer knows or cares who is on 4AD

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:59:10 -0700
From: euphonic noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down


> > What's the deal with the Body Shop promo?
>
> Yes it IS the "soap variety" Body Shop, not a strip club,
> nor an auto salvage company.

  right on. score 2 for me. i'm going to go work for the OJ case now...


  *k-j* ...digital panning all the live long day...


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:38:00 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4ad rumors nailed down


>Those on the Warner Bros. mailing list
received theirs already,
>but no Body Shops have any yet.

What mailing list?  Do you mean that if I sent them $2 or however much the
4AD cat. was (and then wait 4 mos.) I am now *on* the mailing list?  hmmm...
I guess I answered my own ?, I have no cd, thus I'm not on the mailing list.
 ah-ha.

>I am told that there
will be nothing on the CD that you can't
>easily get elsewhere.

Yes, but we want the "All Virgos think they're getting the hang of no balls"
cd right damn now.  While it's true in a year this squabble over where, how,
and why the Body Shop would carry such an item will indeed be oh-so-trivial,
right at this point we (or I) don't want to wait for the release date of such
and such a cd only to find out it's been pushed back.  This pushing back of
dates can only be somewhat cured by...!!!"+ SAMPLER CDS +"!!!  which have
'that' track we would just die to hear.  Only to say, "yea, I heard it, and
it ain't all that great."  But anyway I still want it and I won't sleep (not
well anyhow) until I get it.  Impatience is a TRUE vice.


I recall sometime ago, a cd by an act known as 'Rossberger Report' was to be
released on 4AD.  I was led to believe later that it was a reformed Xmal
Deutschland.  Any reasons why this never came to be?


Another what happened to...
There was a pre-Mazzy Star group called 'Going Home' that was to have it's
only(?) recording re-released back in April on 4AD also.  It was produced by
David Roback, and featured Hope Sandoval and someone else I do not recall at
the moment.  Can anyone shed light on this one?

Inquiry-
I don't wanna sell, I just wanna buy =)

I want to purchase either the lp or cd of the Voix Des Bulagares both vol. I
and vol. II.  These are *not* out of print (to my knowledge).  I realize you
can get these from 4AD m.o., but after everything is said and done it costs
an arm and both legs.  So, if you can help me out, DO privately e-mail me,
and DO NOT(!) mail the list.

I thank you all.

Suffering from Ohio's heat and thick humidity,

Jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:51:08 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: give a little whistle


and this'll... (well you know the rest)

Yeah, sorry to be the bearer of all that bad news, folks.
I guess prices for all those Slowdive EPs are going to go
through the roof now, huh? By the way, you can get the
Sunday blue flexi through IPR for dirt cheap. Don't pay anyone
more than $5 for it.

some better news:
On the horizon is Lisa Gerrard's new album. Someone already
posted some words about it, and I'd like to reiterate
that this is one goregous album! And _long_ too. Much of it
is material she did at her two shows during AVAM and the
one afterward at the Ebell Theater. She does another version
of "Sanvaen" from Toward The Within which is one of the most
profoundly beautiful things I've ever heard (along with
"Host Of Seraphim")

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:01:11 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: more 4ad rumors nailed down


> I recall sometime ago, a cd by an act known as 'Rossberger Report' was to be
> released on 4AD.  I was led to believe later that it was a reformed Xmal
> Deutschland.  Any reasons why this never came to be?

More bad news, I'm afraid. This goes way back to the beginning of
1993 when we, umm, interviewed Ivo. He said he was originally
really impressed with their live performance he saw in Germany.
Lots of guitarists on stage all playing at once. Probably something
like Tone or Glenn Branca. One (or more?) of their members was an Xmal D.
graduate. Plans were made for a release on Guernica. Then Ivo
received a studio(?) recording of theirs, wasn't overly impressed,
and changed his mind.

> Another what happened to...
> There was a pre-Mazzy Star group called 'Going Home' that was to have it's

All I can say is that it was on the schedule, but then mysteriously
it never appeared. I'll check my sources to see if it was
delayed or dropped all together.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 21:42:08 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: I "hate" 4AD


For my fellow "collector-scum":
I wish Ivo had stuck to his original idea of ending 4AD after ten years...it
just got out of hand collecting their releases since the US Warner Bros.
deal!


erikas@evo.org, last updated by Eyesore Automation on 8-14-1995