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Subject: Body Shop CD: Mirage?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:00:37 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:24:05 -0700
From: bmilner (bmilner@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly Wear
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:48:27 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 00:55:49 +0930
From: kymtosh (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Do you have Pale Saints bootleg?
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:36:00 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Liquorice Opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:33:50 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: and the answer is...So?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 12:37:02 -0500
From: Julie Chason (jchason@S.PSYCH.UIUC.EDU)
Subject: Hello tape traders
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:21:25 PDT
From: John Majka (bchina@crown.net)
Subject: R: reflections on Lonely Is An Eyesore
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:43:31 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Blue cover 4AD promo/Spoonfed JAP CD
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:18:11 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 15:53:25 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 17:42:29 CDT
From: Janice Headley (ariane181@DALLAS.RELAY.UCM.ORG)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 20:50:15 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:51:20 -0600
From: ELC (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:25:10 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 21:34:34 -0400
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:00:37 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Body Shop CD: Mirage?


I was at the Body Shop in Baltimore, MD today and remembered that someone had
posted about a sampler CD they were allegedly offering.  Maybe I'm missing
something, but the woman in the store said that, yes, the Body Shop had
offered a sampler CD about 2-3 months ago, but that it was long gone.  She
was a 4AD-head, too, and she made the record sound like no must-have item,
although she did think that a Dead Can Dance LP track snuck in there
somewhere.

She didn't know if there were any other comps on the way.

Sorry, listdude, but it doesn't sound like you missed much.  At least you can
console yourself with the fact that your fellow listies were thinking about
ya.

Dave G.

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:24:05 -0700
From: bmilner (bmilner@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Liquorice opinions?


Dear LIst,

        This thread probably came and went on this list a month ago but
tonight I just heard the Liquorice album for the first time.  Well, only
the first 30 seconds of about 5 songs at a record store preview station.
It sounded intriguing but I'm not sure if the songs were all that good.
IS this the kind of album that is going to grip me and charm me to tears
like the Red House Painters did?

I assume not... but what do their other moments sound like?  Mostly I heard
interesting minimal acoustic with some piano and some rather bland but
pleasant female waify folk singing.  How is the rest of the disc?

Brandon Milner
bmilner@netcom.com


Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 10:48:27 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Belly Wear


>>leather clutches? you really miss those?

O.K. maybe it's just leather in general.

Also I'm looking for a vinyl single that was just released by 4AD. It's a
promo with a blue cover.

Anyone?

Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 00:55:49 +0930
From: kymtosh (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?

              "bmilner" at Aug 6, 95 00:24:05 am

>
> Dear LIst,
>
>         This thread probably came and went on this list a month ago but
> tonight I just heard the Liquorice album for the first time.  Well, only
> the first 30 seconds of about 5 songs at a record store preview station.
> It sounded intriguing but I'm not sure if the songs were all that good.
> IS this the kind of album that is going to grip me and charm me to tears
> like the Red House Painters did?
>
> I assume not... but what do their other moments sound like?  Mostly I heard
> interesting minimal acoustic with some piano and some rather bland but
> pleasant female waify folk singing.  How is the rest of the disc?
>
> Brandon Milner
> bmilner@netcom.com
>
 I listened to about 30 seconds of every track at my uni record store ..
 it all seemed pretty samey . Some of the accoustic guitar / piano
 songs were interesting ... but I wouldn't get too excited about it ..

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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:36:00 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Do you have Pale Saints bootleg?


Has anybody seen an Cocteau Twins bootlegs on CD, besides the box
set ripoff?  Someone must have made a CD somewhere?!

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:33:50 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Liquorice Opinions?


This is a hard record to get a bead on, the indiephiles and British weeklies
going all-out to praise it to the skies; the Toomey-haters and popophobes
taking the opportunity to throw a potshot or two.

"Listening Cap," by and large, is not an earth-shaking departure from Jenny's
work with Tsunami, the simple, hummable song structures, the warm guitars,
the talky, world-weary vocals, the occasional lyrical overreaching ("all her
opportunities/are photographic/living in a small town can be/soap
operatic...", "Team Player"; hey, it ain't easy bein' queen...).  Overall,
it's an agreeable, highly-listenable record that sounds like Tsunami
unplugged.

Only "Trump Suit Edit" is really a throwaway here, a minute or so of "Trump
Suit" with some gratuitous studio noise thrown in for "experimental" puposes.

Oddly, the best moments here show off Toomey's skill as as interpreter.
 Nothing Painted Blue leader Franklin Bruno's "Keeping The Weekend Free" is a
beautiful, touching lonelyhearts ballad, and Maggie Roche's Costello-esque
"Jill of All Trades" is also a standout.  The CDs real head-turner is
"Breaking the Ice," a free-ranging psychedelic strummer sung in [Tim]
Buckleyish fashion by [I think, correct me if I'm wrong] Ida's Dan Littleton.
 (The liner notes, as you can tell, don't give up much info on songs and
performances.)

So, all in all, some good moments for your entertainment dollar, but -- quite
right --  don't expect revelations.

Guess that's probably more than you wanted to know, B, but you asked!

Dave G.

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 12:37:02 -0500
From: Julie Chason (jchason@S.PSYCH.UIUC.EDU)
Subject: and the answer is...So?

              processor" at Aug 6, 95 00:00:47 am

Some of the stuff this acquaintance says sounds true to me. And what
if it is?


>
> "As far as my little slight towards who 4AD caters to, I always got
> the impression they were targeting angst-ridden college girls who want to be
> rebellious yet sensitive, cutting-edge underground etc. (in art school - hah
> hah just kidding).

Reading these words, I can't find a thing wrong with them.  I can't
even find a way to be defensive, because according to the way I live
my own life, there is nothing wrong with these things.

Although the word "pretentious" does not appear until much later in
this thread, I suspect that this is the key to what this person has
to say.  Let's think about this for a second.   Typically the term
means something like putting on airs, acting like you are "better"
than you *really* are.


Response Option 1:  "Who do I have to be?"

Response Option 2:  "Bwaaaahahahahah, hohohoho,  hehehe, hahah, [pant,
pant, pant, pant] HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH"


Moving along, I find it is curious that catering to a brand of college
"girl" is part of this erstwhile criticism.  Would a college "boy" be
more "authentic" ?  Howabout a woman out of college?  Or do you have
to be one of the boys in NIN or Pearl Jam.

If I'm wrong correct me, and feel free to take aim at any
> of my musical tastes, sometimes it gets a bit caricaturish as well.
> Concerning Kim Deal, let's start with the name "The Breeders", which you
> probably know is a derogatory term for heterosexuals coined by the wonderful
> homosexual community.  Yeah yeah, it's probably a joke and all but what's the
> point?

What point does it need?  "Who do you think you are?"



Also I've seen and read some of her interviews and though I apologize
> for not being able to cite specific examples she did come across as whiny,
> feminist in a riot-grrrrrrrrrrl sense AND pc.  I'll get back to you on that
> if I can."
>

I'm not all that familiar with the riot grrrrls (how many r's?), but
somehow I never thought of them as whiny.  More like "in your face"
and "deal with it."  Wait, maybe the derogatory term here is "feminist."
I'm not even going to touch PC, I'm so sick of all that bullshit.

> ok, *my* stereotype of a 4AD fan is a cultured, educated, mabye bookish and
> quiet, mabye a bit goth person who appreciates the unusual...

Absolutely nothing wrong with these things either. And not mutually
exclusive of the "criticism" presented above.

AND really has no
> tolerance for that riot-grrl grunge-mania stuff!!!

Hey I like screaming girl-grunge.  Not for everyday listening, but
I'm glad it exists.  Soooo tired of hearing "ickle dirls" cooing
on the radio.

(Apologies to Fitzgerald if the quote is wrong.   Oh, wait, I
referenced a writer.  I must be pretensious.  Waaaaaaaaaaaa.
Excuse me, I think I'll go cry in my pillow now.  Yeah right.)


and Martin said:
> Yes, which is why I think it's a shame Ivo is signing these riot
> grrrrrl/McGrunge/MTV-120 minutes/cover o' the Rolling Stone bands. One
> gold record for Belly and now it seems we'll never see the like of TMC
> again.

This is sadly true.


Julie Chason
jchason@s.psych.uiuc.edu


Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:21:25 PDT
From: John Majka (bchina@crown.net)
Subject: Hello tape traders


Hello Once Again Everyone:

I'm desperately seeking bootleg tapes of various bands, primarily Pale Saints an

Cocteau Twins.  Can you help to satisfy my unnatural cravings?  Let's work out a
trade
arrangement!
--bchina@crown.net
  John Majka

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:43:31 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: R: reflections on Lonely Is An Eyesore

              95 10:48:27 am

Whoa ************
     I just found the video Lonely Is an Eyesore (actually, I ordered
it and they never called me after a year ;b ) and was wondering how
many other people had the cd first and then watched the footage, and
if so, what were your reactions?  Any theories on Acid, Bitter & Sad,
Cut the Tree, or the Protagonist?  Any of you who wish to hazard a
guess at the doppelgaenger motif in  a.b. & s. or cut the tree?
Gawd...literature and film majors have ruined me ;b I can no longer be
a mere spectator ;b
                        Anyone?
                            Anyone?



                                *Kendal* (kobermey@unlgrad1.unl.edu)


Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:18:11 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Blue cover 4AD promo/Spoonfed JAP CD


1) August the 6th EyeRate wrote:

>Also I'm looking for a vinyl single that was just released by 4AD. It's a
>promo with a blue cover.

Do you mean a 7" or a 12"? Artist(s)? UK or US?


2) I need some more information about the Japanese CD-edition of the
Spoonfed Hybrid album (released on Guernica in the UK), that is supposed to
include tracks from the free 7":
label?, cat.no.?, release date?
Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance!

Frank

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 15:53:25 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?


> How is the rest of the disc?

Damn good!

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 17:42:29 CDT
From: Janice Headley (ariane181@DALLAS.RELAY.UCM.ORG)
Subject: Liquorice opinions?

              

i know that i've already posted something several months ago about how
wonderful i think the liquorice album is, but the topic came up again and i
just can't resist...
listening cap and i have been involved in a blissful relationship for the
past few months (i own the advance cd). i find the album to be much more
sophisticated than the usual tsunami stuff and don't agree at all with the
comparisions i've been reading to ms.toomey's other band. aside from jenny's
gorgeous, distinctive vocals and her inimitable songwriting style, i don't
see a similar musical thread at all (tsunami is just so much more power chord
driven and energetic, whereas liquorice are much more melancholy and
thoughtful)

i think the album is beautiful...
xoxo,
janice ariane
ariane181@dallas.relay.ucm.org


Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 20:50:15 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?



It was very refreshing to hear that you and Liquorice's "Listening Cap" have
been involved in such a "blissful relationship for the past few months."
 It's so seldom these days that we get to hear the good news.

Just one question:  how did you decide which one of you gets the shower first
in the morning?  And how are you going to explain your mixed relationship to
all your little CD-5s?....

D

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:51:20 -0600
From: ELC (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?


A couple weeks back, after reading so many good things about Liquorice, i
snapped up a copy of _Listening Cap_ the day before it was officially
released (I've got connections, o-kay? :) ).  I rushed home to hear it
and I am sad to say it hasn't lived up to my dreadfully high
expectations.  It's ok and I'm still hoping it will grow on me, but it
has not become a fixed thing in my cd player.  I've listened to the
U.Srinivas / Michael Brook cd more often than _LC_ and I got that one
much later.  I'm not dismissing the album completely;however, it has
failed to place in my top ten for this year (so far - like I said,
perhaps it will grow on me).  There' my two bits.

Cheers!

Elaun


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:25:10 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?


At 12:24 AM 8/6/95, bmilner wrote:
Mostly I heard
>interesting minimal acoustic with some piano and some rather bland but
>pleasant female waify folk singing.

Haven't heard any Liquorice yet, but Jenny Toomey is hardly a "bland but
pleasant female waify" ... I'd blame the cheap headphones at the record
store. She's got a very rich, emotionally expressive voice, closer to a
jazz torch-singer than the typical pop or rock mannerisms we know so well.

So who are these legions of Tsunami-haters? What's to hate? In my book,
"The Heart's Tremolo" was the best rock-n-roll album of last year.
(Granted, last year I was on a heavy ambient/techno kick and didn't pay as
much attention to the indie-rock side of the fence. This year for some
reason things have changed and I'm picking up all kinds of great product,
from Elastica to Versus to the Innocence Mission...)

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 21:34:34 -0400
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Liquorice opinions?


My two cents:

I know nothing of Tsunami or Ida or Hated or Grenadine.

I buy 99% of what comes out on 4AD because I like their taste in bands.

Liquorice is the first NEW 4AD signing in awhile that I've been impressed
with.  The musical style reminds me alot of an acoustic version of the
Spinanes, a Portland, OR band that I like alot.

The lyrics are alot like Lisa Germano in that they are brooding.

I generally like acoustic music, and like minimalist stuff as well.  I was
bound to like this.

Here's hoping I like Scheer, Tarnation, and Air Miami as much as Listening Cap.

P.S.  There was a post in this thread about a Michael Brook CD I've never
heard of....what is it?  New?  I have Hybrid, Cobalt, and Live at the.....


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