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Subject: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:02:46 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: if jOHN owes you a tape, look here:
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:36:55 -0700
From: euphonic k (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:40:08 -0400
From: PLBear@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:26:05 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:03:47 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:07:18 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:06:31 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)

Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:02:46 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!


okay kids! I need your help.. I received this letter today and look what the
blashphemer wrote!! you'd think it was sub-pop and not 4AD!!! take a look..

"As far as my little slight towards who 4AD caters to, I always got
the impression they were targeting angst-ridden college girls who want to be
rebellious yet sensitive, cutting-edge underground etc. (in art school - hah
hah just kidding).  If I'm wrong correct me, and feel free to take aim at any
of my musical tastes, sometimes it gets a bit caricaturish as well.
Concerning Kim Deal, let's start with the name "The Breeders", which you
probably know is a derogatory term for heterosexuals coined by the wonderful
homosexual community.  Yeah yeah, it's probably a joke and all but what's the
point?  Also I've seen and read some of her interviews and though I apologize
for not being able to cite specific examples she did come across as whiny,
feminist in a riot-grrrrrrrrrrl sense AND pc.  I'll get back to you on that
if I can."

ok, *my* stereotype of a 4AD fan is a cultured, educated, mabye bookish and
quiet, mabye a bit goth person who appreciates the unusual... AND really has no
tolerance for that riot-grrl grunge-mania stuff!!! anyway, this guy is just an
acquaintence, so Ican say pretty much anything to him, but I was wondering what
your opinions are... and if that really is where the Breeders got their name
from... I haven't written him back yet.... besides my little personal repartee,
though, what is the typical 4AD fan? oh and don't anyone get on my case because
I used the word stereotype.. I think we all know that there are exceptions to
the rule and that for convienience sakes you have to use generalizations and it
is a part of human communication..... Besides, I think we all have sort of a
general aesthetic, don't we? what defines it?


just my thoughts....
lisaroo


Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:36:55 -0700
From: euphonic k (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: if jOHN owes you a tape, look here:


  he's looking for someone in particular whose name started
  with a Z. i'll go out on a limb and say Zach...but i can't
  remember. anyhoo, if you are this person, please send me your
  address so that jOHN can send you the tape he owes you.


  eventually, we all catch up...we're a slow breed...


  *kELLI*  ...ambient noise-boy's indie rock girly w/plastic barrettes...


Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:40:08 -0400
From: PLBear@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!


> let's start with the name "The Breeders", which
> you probably know is a derogatory term for heterosexuals
> coined by the wonderful homosexual community.

> [is that really] where the Breeders got their
> name from...

Yes, that's where the name came from.  Kim describes
it on the "Secret History of The Breeders" promo CD.

And, BTW, it isn't necessarily a derogatory term, although
it can be used that way...just like the many delightful
derogatory phrases thought up by the wonderful
heterosexual community to describe gays and lesbians.

--Phil
(plbear@aol.com)

Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:26:05 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!


On Sat, 5 Aug 1995, Kanga and lisaRoo wrote:

> ok, *my* stereotype of a 4AD fan is a cultured, educated, mabye bookish and
> quiet, mabye a bit goth person who appreciates the unusual... AND really has n

> tolerance for that riot-grrl grunge-mania stuff!!! anyway, this guy is just an

Yes, which is why I think it's a shame Ivo is signing these riot
grrrrrl/McGrunge/MTV-120 minutes/cover o' the Rolling Stone bands. One
gold record for Belly and now it seems we'll never see the like of TMC
again. Ah well, Projekt is doing cool stuff.

Martin


Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:03:47 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!


I tend to agree with your friend on the verging on the edge of "art school"
pretension that alligns with the 4AD label. But I think it's less the label
and more the fans.

Yes the name of the Breeders came from a derogatory term for straights. And I
think it's hilarious that Kim chose to use it, it kind of defuses it in the
way Leeny Bruce used to defuse profanity and frequently got landed in jail.

I think Kim's choice of the name Breeders excuses her from being "P.C.",
whatever that means. If she were that overtly sensitive she wouls not want to
offend her fellow straights. And besides, I think the term politically
correct was invented by the right wing so they coiuld say something in
defense of the indefensable of being reacist, sexist, or generally stupid.

If your friend doesn't appreciate the quality and duiversity of the 4AD label
screw ,em. Tell him to go live off corporate sanctioned "alternative" radio
for a while. And after the 100,000,000,000th time he heres Hootie and the
Blowfish he will come sniveling back saying "Please, please play Lime House.
Just once for ol time sake."

Doesn't Moonshake just do it!!!!


Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:07:18 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!


EyeRate writes:
>And besides, I think the term politically
>correct was invented by the right wing so they coiuld say something in
>defense of the indefensable of being reacist, sexist, or generally stupid.

It actually originated long ago with various flavors of Marxists, as a
derogatory epithet toward other flavors with whom they disagreed. It was
picked up by the leftist / "progressive" community at large in an ironic
sense (I remember hearing it as far back as 1983) and finally was co-opted
by the Right around 1990 as a way to portray the left as having taken over
academia and the arts -- i.e. they took the term seriously.

Anyway, from this acquaintance's derogatory uses of "P.C.", "feminist" and
"wonderful homosexual community", I think you can pretty well give this
asshole the boot. Who cares? I'll be the first to admit that today's 4AD is
artistically bankrupt, and that far too many 4AD fans fall into the
sensitive-goth-kid category, but why argue with bozos?

Any record label worth anything can be caricatured according to its fans'
predilections. What's not at issue is that 4AD released much of the most
distinctive and idiosyncratic music of the 1980s.

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:06:31 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: Re: 4AD bashing! I need you help!!!


Kim said on 120 Minutes that a gay friend she was with at a bar was
admiring a guy he thought was cute, he later remarked "oh he's a
breeder."  to which Kim thought was funny, like straight people do to
gay people, "euww, gross!"

She also said in another interview I remember reading, that it's the
name of a splatter movie she's been tring to find.

I think the only band member that has actually bred is Jim, and
Josephine is a lesbian. It's just a name.

The Cocteau Twins are three, I've never seen a clan of xymox, the
dead can't actually dance, M|A|R|R|S means Martyn, Alex, Rudy,
Russel, Steve, and Lush aren't drunks (welllllll).

As for the kind of people that listen to bands on the label, I tend
to agree, but, IMHO, since the 90s began, I think Ivo's done a good
(?) job of killing off the cult.

______________________
shane | shane@trex.org


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