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Subject: Liquorice
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:13:49 +1000
From: Derby Chang (derbyc@TPLRD.TPL.OZ.AU)
Subject: Tones on Tail
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 02:04:53 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Belly
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:26:50 +0000
From: I am all you need to know! (CMSSBRAN@LIVJM.AC.UK)
Subject: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:15:36 -0500
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Felt
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:00:59 -0500
From: Jason Hull (jhh8513@TAM2000.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:06:26 -0400
From: "K. Darcovich" (kdarc@SG1.CHEM.NRC.CA)
Subject: Re: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:28:17 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:02:42 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:20:56 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:28:50 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re[2]: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:26:21 CST
From: Nathan Markham (nmarkham@SMTPLINK.PJC.CC.FL.US)
Subject: Re: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:06:17 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:45:58 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Colourbox
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:49:30 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:03:56 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: Re: Non-4AD Brain Teaser...
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:57:57 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Liquorice
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:10:30 -0700
From: Pekoo (pekoo@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Liquorice
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:42:11 CDT
From: Janice Headley (ariane181@DALLAS.RELAY.UCM.ORG)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:54:41 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Colourbox
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:25:38 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:30:12 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:03:05 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Germano - Happiness
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:32:19 EDT
From: Scott Davies (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:43:37 -0700
From: "S. K. Van Poolen" (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:55:50 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:11:11 -0500
From: Shana Skaletsky (isis@VENUS.MCS.COM)
Subject: Belly
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:43:10 CDT
From: Janice Headley (ariane181@DALLAS.RELAY.UCM.ORG)
Subject: Re: Tour de Farce
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:02:03 -0500
From: "Chad E. Burkey" (burkey@ANDERSEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:28:03 -0400
From: DJ Guile (guile@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: ....23....
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:35:17 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:29:30 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:03:59 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: 23
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:19:55 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: The group Double Happiness, Electric Slumberland,
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:52:24 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:13:49 +1000
From: Derby Chang (derbyc@TPLRD.TPL.OZ.AU)
Subject: Liquorice


Hi,

(I hope this address works.)

Would anyone like to give a review of the recent Liquorice
release.  Have I missed it on this list?  From the one line
description in a music mag here, it sounds a bit like
heidi berry, but I could be wrong.


Derby
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The entire school of Saussure, including Levi-Strauss, write the muffled
prose of people with cotton wool wrapped around their heads; they're like
walking Q-tips."
                        Camille Paglia, _Junk Bonds and Corporate Raiders_


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 02:04:53 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Tones on Tail


Jen wrote:

> Both omit "Slender Fungus", through some gruesome lack of taste and sense.

No...the domestic "Tones on Tail" compilation that Beggars issued in 1990
has "Slender Fungus", as well as "Performance." "Night Music" has neither.

-julian-

--
Julian Stewart
camus@netcom.com


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:26:50 +0000
From: I am all you need to know! (CMSSBRAN@LIVJM.AC.UK)
Subject: Belly


I just saw Belly support REM at Huddersfield and they were
marvellous...however the only T-shirt size available was age 9-10

SB

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:15:36 -0500
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: ....23....


O.K...a serious question.  What is the significance of the number 23?

V23 uses it, 23 Envelope, Sky Cries Mary mentions it in songs, I've heard of
connections to the Illuminati...what's going on?  My friends think I'm crazy...

Aaron

The new Rhino Records catalog arrived this morning...issue 23.

23 is 1/3 of 69, but that's a stretch...

?


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:00:59 -0500
From: Jason Hull (jhh8513@TAM2000.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Felt


As if by chance, I recently heard the song "Primative Painters"
(w/Ms. Frazier) for the first time, and it sounded like someone was
playing with the pitch knob on the record player throughout the entire
song.  Is it supposed to sound like that, or did I just have a warped
record?

jason


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:06:26 -0400
From: "K. Darcovich" (kdarc@SG1.CHEM.NRC.CA)
Subject: Re: ....23....


don't forget 23 Skidoo..

kd.


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:28:17 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ....23....


>O.K...a serious question.  What is the significance of the number 23?
>
Don't you get it?  7, 13, 23.  They're all prime numbers.  Ahhhhhhh!!!!!

Suddenly struck with horrid understanding,

Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:02:42 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX


> I recently bought the MAD 315 Colourbox CD.  The only songs I really liked
> off of it were tracks one through three.  The woman singing on the rest of
> the CD annoyed me greatly.

Arrrgh!!  Say it ain't so.  Lorita Grahame is a goddess!  Give it another
spin and if you still hate her, I'm going to cry.  How can you *not* like
her voice?  If anyone's got an annoying voice, its Mimi Goese.

I'm not sure about the catalog numbers, but if this is the one with the two
horses fucking on the cover, you need to listen to "Baby I love you so.",
"Breakdown" and "Justice" a few more times.

If this is the one with Vaughn Oliver's famous "orange circles", then how
can you not be totally in love with "Arena" and "The Moon is Blue"?  "Arena"
was my favorite song for over a decade...what is the world coming to?

"I could have learned a million little things..."



marvynHortman

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:20:56 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)


>Hello,
>   I guess since Slowdive is now on 4AD I guess I can post this
>forsale stuff here. I guess alot of people who like 4AD stuff also LIke
>Creation stuff too.  Does anyone know if there is a Creation list like there
>is a 4AD list?  Just curious.
>
>
>Slowdive EP (Crescd 093)
>  Slowdive
>  Avalyn I
>  Avalyn II
>
>Blue Day (cre cdx101 Very Rare & Way out of print!)
>  Slowdive
>  Avalyn I
>  Morningrise
>  She Calls
>  Losing Today
>  Shine
>  Albatross
>
>Slowdive Blue Flexi (Early Demos, Only 500 made!)
>  Beach Song
>  Take Me Down
>
>Please make a bid on the above items.  I know the bids on the Blue Day
>is going to get pretty high so I guess I will start bids on that at $20.
>
>I'll talk to you soon.
>
>Dave
>
>PS - I also have The Pale Saint's Out of print Flesh Balloon CD single
>     for sale if anyone is interested.

Out of print?  A friend of mine just ordered it from 4AD less than a month ago.

Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:28:50 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: ....23....

              1, 95 09:15:36 am

(minimal thislisty content - you were warned)

a distraught Aaron asked...
> O.K...a serious question.  What is the significance of the number
> 23?  V23 uses it, 23 Envelope, Sky Cries Mary mentions it in songs,
> I've heard of connections to the Illuminati...what's going on?  My
> friends think I'm crazy...

this is very serious indeed and your friends are actually quadruple
agents working for *the* conspiracy...they just don't know it.  the
fnords made them do it.

in the illuminatus trilogy (r. a. wilson and r. shae), it is explained
that any number which can be used to achieve 5 is a sign of the
conspiracy.  this is the law of fives.  23 is one of the most notable
ones, and 2+3=5.  8 also works since 2^3=8 and 2+3=5.  you get the
picture.  the masonic pyramid on the back of the us one dollar bill has,
if i remember properly, either 23 bricks in total or 23 along the
base.  something like that.  i'm currently lacking a one in my wallet,
so i can't check.

and who can forget network 23 from max headroom.  and 23 skidoo.  and
and and...

> The new Rhino Records catalog arrived this morning...issue 23.
> 23 is 1/3 of 69, but that's a stretch...

hmmmmm.  yet another interesting theory.  i wonder if the math works.
6*9=54.  5+4=9.  9=3^2.  2+3=5.  yet another example of the law of
fives.

hail eris.  all praise discordia. - drew...all errors intentional...

(btw - for more on the law of fives, check out alt.discordia)


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:26:21 CST
From: Nathan Markham (nmarkham@SMTPLINK.PJC.CC.FL.US)
Subject: Re[2]: ....23....


(minimal thislisty content - you were warned)

a distraught Aaron asked...
> I've heard of connections to the Illuminati...what's going on?

     for more on the Illuminati, read Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum"--
     it's full of that kinda stuff. however, beware!! when I checked it out
     of the library, someone tracked me down and I swear five different
     people followed me around campus that week.  For all you
     lit.crit.theory people, the Foucault in the title is a dead
     mathematician, not the dead postmodernist.

>btw - for more on the law of fives, check out alt.discordia)
thanks


nate

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:06:17 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: ....23....


 23 is considered a lucky or powerful number in magick. remember 23 skidoo?

                      noah slankard
                  slankard@primenet.com


On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, YOUNG GRASSHOPPER wrote:

> O.K...a serious question.  What is the significance of the number 23?
>
> V23 uses it, 23 Envelope, Sky Cries Mary mentions it in songs, I've heard of
> connections to the Illuminati...what's going on?  My friends think I'm crazy..

>
> Aaron
>
> The new Rhino Records catalog arrived this morning...issue 23.
>
> 23 is 1/3 of 69, but that's a stretch...
>
> ?
>


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:45:58 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)

              Aug 1, 95 11:20:56 am

Are you sure that he ordered "Blue Day"?  I haven't seen that around in
ages.  I know that you can still get the Slowdive EP.  But I heard the
Morningrise and Holding our breath was deleted back in January and
Blue Day was deleted long before that (not counting the limited edition
release of Souvalki (2CD) with an attached copy of Blue Day.
  How did your friend order the CD?  Did he call up creation or
something?  I would be interested in talking to them if he did that.
Maybe you could give me your friends address and I can talk to him on how
he did it.

  Thanks for the info if you have any.

  Dave

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:49:30 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Colourbox


  He's right..."Arena" is one of the best songs of the last decade.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:03:56 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo


>Could one of you guys give me the address for Time Stereo? I seem to
have
>misplaced it.

The Record Collector
28143 W. Eight Mile Rd.
Livonia, Michigan 48152

1+810 473-8350 ask for Davin

_DON'T_ get it from anyone else. You'll just get ripped off.

______________________
shane | shane@trex.org


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:57:57 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Non-4AD Brain Teaser...


On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Jens Alfke wrote:

>
> There were at least six 12"s/EPs:
> * Lions
> * Christian Says / Twist

  well, these two were only two songs each... that counts as only one ep
in itself.  B-P

>
>  Both omit "Slender Fungus", through some gruesome
> lack of taste and sense. Oh, and one has a naked babe on the cover.
>
 Not true...Slender Fungus is on the Tones on Tail cd... and the naked
chick is on Night Music.

Ivo


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from _Cher's Guide For the Chronically Clueless_ :

boink fest (boynk fest),n. 1. Have sex in quantity. 2. doing it big time.
hy men ally chal lenged (hi men al e chaleng d), adj. 1. a virgin.
wig (wig), v., wiggin' or wigged 1. become irrational, freak out. 2. go postal.
wo man (wu man), n. 1. your boyfriend's name for you.
*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*

                                                         beswick@scf.usc.edu

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:10:30 -0700
From: Pekoo (pekoo@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Liquorice


>Hi,
>
>(I hope this address works.)
>
>Would anyone like to give a review of the recent Liquorice
>release.  Have I missed it on this list?  From the one line
>description in a music mag here, it sounds a bit like
>heidi berry, but I could be wrong.
>
>
>Derby

        Well, when I first heard it, horror seared through my veins when I
realized it sounded a whole heck of alot like Grenadine's "Napolitos" album.
Although that album was praised by critics and fans, I just couldn't get
into it.
        Anyway, after a couple of listens it does start to grow on you.
Scarce production by Warren Defever, (who also produced one song or the
whole Napolitos album), giving way to Jenny Toomey's distinct vocal styles.
        I wouldn't give it an A+, and recommend bying it used. It isn't that
bad though.

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:42:11 CDT
From: Janice Headley (ariane181@DALLAS.RELAY.UCM.ORG)
Subject: Liquorice

              <9508010714.AA23182@sydrd15>

oh, gosh..i couldn't pass this one up seeing how i have been living to that
disc lately.....

the liquorice disc is very melancholy and delicate and lovely, particularly
on tracks like "keep the weekend free" and "jill of all trades". "jill" is an
elegant, emotional acoustic piano track with jenny's passionate voice just
breaking and it absolutely floors me everytime....a lot of people have made a
point of staying away from this album because they loathe tsunami, but the
only similarity is jenny's distinctive vocals....warren defever (of his name
is alive fame) did some really bizarre-o work on this album, but it really
clicks....i would have to say that "blew it" is probably the most upbeat song
on the album.....

i hope that helped a bit at all...anyone who begs to differ may reach me at

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:54:41 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)


On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, David Stack wrote:

> Are you sure that he ordered "Blue Day"?  I haven't seen that around in
> ages.  I know that you can still get the Slowdive EP.  But I heard the
> Morningrise and Holding our breath was deleted back in January and
> Blue Day was deleted long before that (not counting the limited edition
> release of Souvalki (2CD) with an attached copy of Blue Day.

I believe the japanese Blue Day cd is still available, but it's almost
 certain to be more expensive than the british version.


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:25:38 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Colourbox


On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, TIM CONLON wrote:

>   He's right..."Arena" is one of the best songs of the last decade.
>
Don't forget "The Moon Is Blue"...one hell of an amazing song...
-----
wendy

                    SUICIDE BOMBER RENEWS ATTACKS
               -- Jewish World headline, July 27, 1995

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:30:12 -0700
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo


> The Record Collector
> 28143 W. Eight Mile Rd.
> Livonia, Michigan 48152
>
> 1+810 473-8350 ask for Davin
>
> _DON'T_ get it from anyone else. You'll just get ripped off.

  now what's that supposed to mean?

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:03:05 -0400
From: Wendy Lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Felt


On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Jason Hull wrote:

> As if by chance, I recently heard the song "Primative Painters"
> (w/Ms. Frazier) for the first time, and it sounded like someone was
> playing with the pitch knob on the record player throughout the entire
> song.  Is it supposed to sound like that, or did I just have a warped
> record?
>
It does have kind of a weird sound, but if it's that noticeable
on yours it probably is just your record...
-----
wendy

                    SUICIDE BOMBER RENEWS ATTACKS
               -- Jewish World headline, July 27, 1995

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:32:19 EDT
From: Scott Davies (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: Lisa Germano - Happiness


just checked it out - both the 4AD mix and the the Capital release. of
course, i am totally unbiased, but i do think the ivo'd version is so
much better... the beautiful intro to "bad attitude" alone makes it
the choice of smart shoppers the world over. and much better mixed
percussion... and believe me, i can live without the cover of "boots".

so, i'm surprised no one has commented on the similarity between the
the ivo'd intro to "bad attitude" and one of those instrumental segues
(can't remember the title) on the Muses "University".... i was going to
blame it on Trina Shoemaker at Kingsway studio til i realized it was
added on the 4AD remix of "Happiness" - must just be that 4AD karma.

biked by dreamland the other day - spotted no deals

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:43:37 -0700
From: "S. K. Van Poolen" (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly


You wrote:
>
>I just saw Belly support REM at Huddersfield and they were
>marvellous...however the only T-shirt size available was age 9-10

>SB

that would be the new hip tiny shirt concert t for all those chicky
babes in hip huggers and plastic barrettes.  quite a fad here in
minneapolis, kinda boring.  i mean you might as well just kill yourself
in once puberty starts if all you want to do is look like a little girl
all your life...okay a bit harsh but this "style" really irritates me.
nuff said.

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:55:50 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX


>If anyone's got an annoying voice, its Mimi Goese.

Awwwwwwright, Hortman, them's fightin' words!  Put 'em up!  Put 'em dem
dukes!  Harrumph!

[wanting to get the first jab in before the rest of the Hugo Largo Memorial
Brigade comes charging in...]

Minimally yrs,


h.

PS.  My nominee for most annoying voice - Jennifer Jason Leigh in 'Mrs.
Parker and the Vicious Circle' (I like the movie; her voice made me wanna
take up cigarettes and whiskey) - makes whoever plays Catherine Janeway in
'Star Trek Voyeur' seem slicker than PTFE.  Musicwise - the screwy bat in the
hat who sings in 4 Non-Blondes.  Shiver.

PPS.  As mentioned earlier on this list:
v23 = vaughn two three [hup!]
--
"And I stood in line and ate my Twinkies." -- Galaxie 500

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:11:11 -0500
From: Shana Skaletsky (isis@VENUS.MCS.COM)
Subject: Re: ....23....


On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, eric wrote:

> >O.K...a serious question.  What is the significance of the number 23?
> >
> Don't you get it?  7, 13, 23.  They're all prime numbers.  Ahhhhhhh!!!!!
>
> Suddenly struck with horrid understanding,
>
> Eric E. Wittmershaus
> eewittme@students.wisc.edu
> eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu
>
hmm...i'm not sure if any of these bands had this in mind, but 23 is a
sacred number in the Discordian religion (where they worship Eris,
Greek goddess of chaos) due to the fact that 2+3=5, and this corresponds
to the Discordian Law of Fives. if you don't understand what i just said,
either a. don't worry about it, it's not that important, or b. read
Principia Discordia...

-shana


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:43:10 CDT
From: Janice Headley (ariane181@DALLAS.RELAY.UCM.ORG)
Subject: Belly

              <199508012143.OAA05443@ix6.ix.netcom.com>

okay i can understand everyone's complaints over the "hip tiny concert t's
for all those babes in hip huggers and plastic barrettes". however, as a 100
lbs 5'4" girl who usually gets swallowed in the large or x-large sizes that
concert t-shirts are usually only available in, i just want to say that i
appreciate being able to buy a shirt that i can actually fit in!! (and no, i
do not wear hip huggers and plastic barettes)

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:02:03 -0500
From: "Chad E. Burkey" (burkey@ANDERSEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Tour de Farce


>> > Talking about the Tour De France, I turned on the TV this morning
>> to watch > the live coverage of the Pyrenees main stage, and saw the
>> Italian Casartelli > crash at 70 mph and die in his own blood!
>>
>> Which prompted the BBC's breakfast news to pose the question "is
>> cycling safe?". Since the last death in the tour was a British rider
>> who died of heat exhaustion nearly thirty years ago, the answer seems
>> to be "yes", but that isn't much of a news story.
>
>Nope.  Sorry.  Too bad.  Life's tough.
>
>Any dumb-ass who refuses to wear a helmet in this day and age of cycling gets
>exactly what they deserve.  The riders of the tour-de-france rebelled several
>years ago when the bicycling commision attempted to make helmets mandatory for
>the tour, so now its voluntary to wear one.
>
>Individual choice is a wonderful thing, and since Mr. Casartelli decided to opt
>for comfort over his life, I have NO, nada, "0" sympathy.  I have destroyed 2
>helmets mountain biking, and I can't imagine riding without one.  I would
>certainly not go 70 mph down a hill with 300 other bicyclists on concrete
>(sometimes even cobblestones!) on bike tires with over 200 psi in them, and say
>"Nah, it's too warm today..I don't need a helmet, it itches."  Bicycle helmets
>are so light and comfortable these days that you can hardly tell you're wearing
>them.

While I agree with you that is was a bad decision for Casartelli not to
wear his helmet, it apparently would not have helped.  The impact was so
massively concentrated in the frontal lobe that a helmet, in its
splintering, would have only helped him to die faster (read instantly).

Chad Burkey                                               Andersen Consulting
burkey@andersen.com                  Center for Strategic Technology Research

                            I speak only for myself


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:28:03 -0400
From: DJ Guile (guile@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)


On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, David Stack wrote:

> Hello,
>    I guess since Slowdive is now on 4AD I guess I can post this
> forsale stuff here. I guess alot of people who like 4AD stuff also LIke
> Creation stuff too.  Does anyone know if there is a Creation list like there
> is a 4AD list?  Just curious.
>
> FORSALE:
>
> Slowdive EP (Crescd 093)
>   Slowdive
>   Avalyn I
>   Avalyn II
I'll bid $10 for this.

> Blue Day (cre cdx101 Very Rare & Way out of print!)
>   Slowdive
>   Avalyn I
>   Morningrise
>   She Calls
>   Losing Today
>   Shine
>   Albatross
$30...

thanks,
--jason

DJ Guile is Jason Milletary     |       "People laugh at anything
guile@dhp.com                   |        And things just fall apart"
jasonm@nba26.med.uth.tmc.edu    |               -- Belly

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:35:17 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ....23....


Well, this thread has certainly exposed the roots of 23.
In a radio interview he did during AVAM, Vaughn said that the 23 envelope, v23
thing had no connection to the rest of the mumbo jumbo, just that it was a
number that he noticed more often than other numbers, e.g. a clock would say

-n

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:29:30 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rare Slowdive FS! (3 Items)


>Are you sure that he ordered "Blue Day"?  I haven't seen that around in

Actually, she ordered Pale Saints' "Flesh Balloon."  I knew I should have
deleted the rest of the message.  Sorry for the confusion.

eric


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:03:59 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX COLOURBOX


>> I recently bought the MAD 315 Colourbox CD.  The only songs I really liked
>> off of it were tracks one through three.  The woman singing on the rest of
>> the CD annoyed me greatly.
>
>Arrrgh!!  Say it ain't so.  Lorita Grahame is a goddess!  Give it another
>spin and if you still hate her, I'm going to cry.  How can you *not* like
>her voice?  If anyone's got an annoying voice, its Mimi Goese.
>
>I'm not sure about the catalog numbers, but if this is the one with the two
>horses fucking on the cover, you need to listen to "Baby I love you so.",
>"Breakdown" and "Justice" a few more times.
>
I like "Baby I Love You So" just fine, but I didn't like the singing on
Breakdown or Justice (even if it is the same person).  Maybe it's because
these songs have less cool samples than "Baby. . ."

Bye.


Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:19:55 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: 23


v23, as we all know, are the finest in graphic design!

and, aside from v23 being a major influence in my graphic design career, I
encounter the number 23 at least once a day (today: 1. taxi #23, 2. parking
meter #23)...in fact, my full name (counting two spaces) takes up 23
characters, my zip code's digits total 23, and the city I live in is district
number 23. I'm glad someone started this discussion...I was wondering what 23
meant!

It's creepy, I tell you.


Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:52:24 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: The group Double Happiness, Electric Slumberland,

              Stereolab.. la la

OK, here goes.

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but not in the couple of years I've
been on the 4ad-l.
What was the group Double Happiness? There is a song on the C'est la Mort
compilation Doctor Death Vol. IV, _The Marvels of Insect Life_ called "Cut" by
them that I've always liked. Their origin is supposed to be London and the
members are Lesley Ingram - voice, Lincoln Fong - guitar, and
Russel Fong - guitar. If you don't know those last two names, they're both in
Moose, Lincoln's credited for doing engineering on CT's Evangeline and Bluebeard
EPs and uncredited for his earlier work with Robin Guthrie, and Russel makes
Robin's guitars.
So, was Double Happiness a one song deal or did they ever do anything else?
Someone has to know.


On a completely different tangent:
I got the Slumberland catalog in the mail a little bit ago and was happy to see
they're carrying the Shift CD "A Folding Sieve" from ND-- one of those must buy
cds. I just paid a visit to their new web site, Electric Slumberland. It looks
really great; there's a complete discography and mail order catalog on there
too. For anyone who wants to check it out, the URL is
For anyone without a web browser their postal address is
Slumberland Records, Box 14731, Berkeley, CA 94712 USA

>From the news section I saw that The Softies are touring now, Henry's Dress
have finished recording their first full length album, um and they're
carrying one of the new Stereolab 7"s:
>Stereolab/Cat's Miaow split 7" flexi
>       Two Stereolab tracks and one from Cat's Miaow. You want it. On Wurlitzer
>Jukebox. (UK, $2.00)


Too much Stereolab:
I popped over to the Stereolab homepage to check up on them too.
(the URL is http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/people/rjh/stereolab/)
That page keeps getting better... I'm having a hard time keeping up with what
they're putting out.. let alone buying their stuff. Some things that I
though might be of interest I clipped, some may be old news:

d] Four tracks have been recorded for a couple of U.S. Iabels, these should be
released as two 7" singles sometime this year. One of the tracks is a cover
version of the theme to the film 'Get Carter'. We should be selling some of
these through the Lab Report so if you're interested then please send an SAE or
IRC and we'll send details as soon as we've got them.
e] The new collaboration with Nurse With Wound is nearly complete and should be
out sometime in the Summer as a 10" on Duophonic Super 45s. This will be mail
order only so please send an SAE or IRC if you want further information.
f] The new 'Switched On' type compilation will eventually be released sometime
in September 1995 and is entitled 'REFRIED ECTOPLASM [switched on volume 2]'.
This will be released as double vinyl, CD and Cassette. Initial copies of the
records will be pressed on clear vinyl. The tracklisting is - 1] Harmonium 2]
Lo Boob Oscillator 3] Mountain 4] Revox 5] French Disko 6] Exploding Head Movie
7] Eloge D'Eros 8] Tone Burst [country] 9] "Animal or Vegetable [a Wonderful
Wooden Reason]" 10] John Cage Bubblegum 11] Sadistic 12] Farfisa 13] Tempter.
There should be some gigs to coincide with this release.
g] The new Stereolab LP will be released in late January/early February.

So all I say is, get your pocketbooks ready, you're going to by buying a lot of
Stereolab in the near future!

-n