Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 00:03:34 -0500
If anyone is interested in meeting me at Double Door in Chicago for
tonight's KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION show, please type me a line ASAP.
I have two extra tickets available and transportation for anyone in
the Cham-bana area.
I just spoke to a staffer at the Double Door and they said that about
100 tickets for the KOD show have been pre-sold. I don't know what the
capacity of the venue is, but I can't imagine that it is much over 200.
KOD is expected to take the stage about 11:30 P.M. following FOSSIL,
which goes on at about 10:00 P.M.
James S. Javenkoski "You stand here in my place
Graduate Research Assistant Feel the warmth upon your face
University of Illinois Stand back and start to smile
Department of Food Science You now have time, you now have will..."
399B Bevier Hall
905 South Goodwin Avenue KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION
Urbana, IL 61801-3852 "Drive That Fast"
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:02:49 +0100
Actually not quite part 44, as there are a couple of numbers they
haven't used. Due to Too Pure's usual wonderful distribution, I bought
this twice (one shop had the 7" and said there was no CD, and the only
other shop in town which had it was HMV, which had two CDs). The Laika
album arrived in some shops about a month after it was released.
Anyway, enough grumbling. PURE 44, double A-side. "Hollywood Gem" is
a gentle acoustic guitar song about the corruption of black actors by
Tinseltown or something similar, "The Heads of Dead Surfers" starts off
with throbbing violin and a description of a 40-year-old on the beach
and ends up with Mark E Smith yelping "And the FIRE! in the dead loins"
over and over. Extra tracks on the CD are "Flaccid Tabloid" (The Fall
meet the Mothers of Invention, horns and guitar thrashing plus a grubby
tale of blackmail and lust), and "Stacked", which starts "Perfect
foreskin, bricklayer's thighs" and continues in the same homoerotic
vein. Twelve minutes of surreal lyrics, startling music, and after four
or five listens I still haven't worked out what the first three songs
are about, which can only be a good thing. Rock's not dead. Can we
have an album from them now, please?
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // [email protected] // 25/05/95
On my walkman this morning : The Walker Brothers
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 03:19:00 CDT
Regarding the recent request on Closedown..
Several people have compared them to Slowdive (including myself).
The album, "Nearfield", for the most part sounds like the direction
Slowdive might have taken after "5EP". Rather cozy, watery late night listen.
Male vocals. Recommended if you are into Slowdive/Flying saucer
Attack/Labradford, but, unfortunately, I was disappointed with the production.
Cascone (the album is on his Silent label) made it sound too "mushroom",
levelling it with the host of other projects in the field, IMHO, of course.
To get the flavour of their real potential, try to check out Closedown track
on "20 Yrs. of Sunshine" comp.- it really stands out. Gorgeous Dif Juzzive
echoey giutars! I am dying to find out how did their demoes sound like.
You should have signed them, Brant.
BTW,they are on this list.
Trying to comprehend early Tuxedomoon at the moment.
Catch Morphine on tour-they are "Good".
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:41:09 +0100
Further to the posting about Karmacoma, people may be interested to know
that it's got something to do with the film 'Killing Zoe' - I haven't seen
it but the video for the track contains lots of clips from the film.
There is also an excellent www page for Massive Attack at
Massive Attack are supposed to be one of Madonna's favourites - woo! Anyone
who has heard 'Protection' and their previous album 'Blue Lines' would
probably be inclined to agree.
After 'Blue Lines', Shara Nelson ( f vocalist ) went on to enjoy a
successful solo career ( 'What Silence Knows' ), being replaced by Tracy
thorn ( Everything But The Girl ) and Nicolette. After the release of
'Protection' Tricky ( one of the band's rappers ) released the album
'Maxinquaye' ( an interview with Tricky and Ice T appears in last month's
Face ). All of these albums are well worth checking out!!
* _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ *
Graham Paul Anderson, grsc MRC PET Methodology Group
"...I ain't your S&M Eliza Doolittle, honey! "
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:46:32 +0100
I don't know if any of you have actually listened to Tom Jones' "The Lead &
How to Swing It", but his version of TWP's "A Girl Like You" is rather
fabby. There _is_ life after Vegas - and it's hip...
* _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ * _ *
Graham Paul Anderson, grsc MRC PET Methodology Group
"If I wished to be constantly reminded
of how little I really know, I'd be
dating Steven Hawking, honey..."
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:56:16 -0500
Whem I met him at an in store at Tower in Austin, I asked him if he
was still seeing Elizabeth and how she was doing, he said pretty much
the same thing:
"I never went out with Elizbeth. She is a dear dear friend and I
will love her until the day I die, but I never dated her."
Then I asked him about a duet, but he rolled his eyes and said no.
This is strange because I had heard from a girl, who had spoken to
Elizabeth backstage, who told me that when she asked Elizabeth if she
was married, that Elizabeth said she had a boyfriend back in London
named Jeff, but maybe not so strange since they like their privacy.
Anyway, it is not important. Why do soap operas have such a grip?
I will be webifying the Propaganda article. Real Cocteau Twin fans
will want to buy that issue because of the great photos that come with
it, and also that magazine deserves our vote in the form of revenue.
BTW, the article refers to her daughter as Lucy Bell, but isn't it
really Lucy-Belle or Lucybelle. I am pretty sure it isn't Lucy Belle,
such then Belle would be a middle name. The Mondo 2000 article
misspells Elizabeth's last name as Frazer, BTW. Yuk!
For those who don't know Jack Huynh's semi official Cocteau Twins
web site is http://garnet.berkeley.edu:8080
The band members themselves make contributions.
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:12:21 -0400
Actually that's my signature and I would have to say that it is taken
from "She's A Superstar" by The Verve.
On Tue, 23 May 1995, Heileson, Thom wrote:
> >> "She bought the world, I paid the bills, I took those pills it was wind
> >> in her sails, she climbed so high"
> >> Is this Legendary Pink Dots?
> >Christ, I said the same thing a few days ago. You aren't mocking me, are
> Sheer synchronicity, my son.
> >Is this not a *classic* Kaspel lyric? I can almost hear him singing
> >it (even with this awful MBV record on)..."She cwihmed so hieeeeeeyyy!!"
> >:anguished wailing: (I do love LPD, but one can't help but make fun of
> >him on occasion.)
> He's one of those quirky characters who seems like he wouldn't mind (or
> notice) being made fun of... in a misunderstood-genius sort-of-way...
> Saw him for the Maria Dimension tour years ago... he was dressed in a black
> robe and had the mannerisms of an alchemist at work.
> >Personal favorites are Any Day Now, Island of Jewels, Faces in the Fire,
> >and The Maria Dimension. 9 Lives to Wonder was also quite a comeback
> >after Malachai and its equally unworthy twin. They are definitely a band
> >in flux, and you do have to take the bad with the good.
> >I have not heard, nor been able to find, Four Days. Can you clue me in a
> Can anyone describe the LPD albums that were released after Maria Dimension?
> For some unforgiveable reason, I lost track of them after "Tanith and the
> Lion Tree"...
> >>-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
> >>some time ago, there was mention of an interactive LUSH promo for
> >>macintosh. can this be downloaded somewhere on the web?
> >I got it from aol a while back. I haven't seen it on the web at all, but if
> >you really can't find it, let me know and maybe I can send it to you.
> Just wanted to say I would be very interested in this (esp. as I own a Mac).
> >> A: That fun-loving Robin Guthrie has said misleading things about it in
> >> interviews, but the actual truth is that it was the name of an early
> >> Minds song. No one having been able to find a song of this name on any
> >> Minds record, Brant Nelson finally asked Robin himself and was told that
> >> on the first SM album but under a different title.
> >What ever happened to the obvious connection to Jean Cocteau, a french
> >dream researcher? I don't remember when he did his work, but apparantly his
> >work is well known in the field.
> Dream researcher? Yes, but also great film maker! Check out "Orpheus" and
> others. Of course (Cocteau having worked many years before Simple Minds) the
> Simple Minds song is a reference to Jean! So CT were being fashionably early
> in being Post Modern about their name.
> Speaking of Simple Minds... Anyone else a fan of the very early material?
> i.e. Real to Real Cacophony, Empires and Dance, Sons and Fascination --
> brilliant, surreal, strangely dark and artsy -- miles above anything they did
> in the late 80s... and 90s SI? Please die! Such a sad fall from grace...
> Probably because they stopped taking drugs [like Robin Guthrie] :)
> + --- Thom S. Heileson
> + +- oR [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
> + - [email protected]
> [email protected]
> "I'll give you an example, typically.
> It's less complicated than it simply should be." - Wire
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:34:34 -0400
>Regarding the recent request on Closedown..
>Several people have compared them to Slowdive (including myself).
>The album, "Nearfield", for the most part sounds like the direction
>Slowdive might have taken after "5EP". Rather cozy, watery late night listen.
>Male vocals. Recommended if you are into Slowdive/Flying saucer
>Attack/Labradford, but, unfortunately, I was disappointed with the production.
>Cascone (the album is on his Silent label) made it sound too "mushroom",
>levelling it with the host of other projects in the field, IMHO, of course.
>To get the flavour of their real potential, try to check out Closedown track
>on "20 Yrs. of Sunshine" comp.- it really stands out. Gorgeous Dif Juzzive
>echoey giutars! I am dying to find out how did their demoes sound like.
>You should have signed them, Brant.
>BTW,they are on this list.
>Trying to comprehend early Tuxedomoon at the moment.
>Catch Morphine on tour-they are "Good".
I have a cassette that I received from scott (closedown) with an unreleased
track called "sepia cloud"...it's really beautiful...he also included two
pieces that were mixed by...i think he said someone from love spirals
downwrds...they are better than the cd (released version)..the drums really
come out and don't get all washed out. I think he also mentioned that they
would have had the whole cd mixed by the LSD guy... but silent wouldn't or
couldn't come up with the cash...I think that they are severly underated
and it will be only a short amount of time before the world catches
on...maybe a more respectful label will pick them up...I also heard that
their live shows were heavy...
v i c i s s i t u d e
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:58:51 -0400
Does anyone have any live lush out there?
Got to get me some ;-8
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Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:11:07 -0700
(First off, let me say that I'm astonished that in 1995 there are still large
numbers of people so ASTONISHINGLY NAIVE that they (a) have never heard and
(b) believe that old chestnut about the cookie recipe. Jesus H. Christ on a
pogo stick, that story dates back to the 1930s (it was "Red Velvet Cake" back
then.) It seems only a year ago that it last made the rounds of the Net.
I'm even more amazed that anyone would think that it's something they need to
post to the 4AD List. Boring urban legends are not thislisty.
If you liked that story, Jan Harald Brunheim has written about seven books
full of them: he's an anthropologist who specializes in urban legends. "The
Mexican Pet", "The Choking Doberman", "Curses! Broiled Again" are a few of his
That rant over ...
I'm visiting Tucson this weekend. I spent three long years there in the late
'80s but it seems that it's become a cooler place since then. Is anything
interesting going on this weekend? I would _love_ to hear lovesliescrushing
but I gather they don't play live too often. Where are the good record stores
now? Thanks for any tips ...
Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Geometer _______ [email protected]
Zachary Taylor was a Barosaurus and, at 89 feet,
was possibly our longest President ever.
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:16:00 EST
Hey George, Thanks for the "real Cookie" story.
Mabye we can get Brendan and DCD to write a folk song about it:
"The Horrific Cookie Ass Beating."
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:44:13 -0500
---from Michael Cheselka:
> I will be webifying the Propaganda article. Real Cocteau Twin fans
> will want to buy that issue because of the great photos that come with
> it, and also that magazine deserves our vote in the form of revenue.
Then it really is true: I'm not a real fan anymore. Sorry, but I laughed
for days after I saw their ad in the latest AP. "...interviews with such
gothic bands as...the Cocteau Twins..." Uh-huh, whatever. That magazine
deserves my vote in the form of a boot to the head.
Of course, they could be forgiven if that "new" interview had something
"new" to say, instead of just rehashing the same tired old crap that I
read in interview after interview when _Four-Calendar_Cafe_ came out a
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:28:25 EDT
hullo everyone, i used to be on this list a long time ago and decided to
resubscribe (i hope this works). anyway, i've started my own little
'zine inspired by a friend of mine's: PLUME by sheila burgel. my 'zine
is called SUGARLift and the first issue has been finished for about a
month. it has a really fun interview with IAN MASTERS (ex-pale saints,
now SPOONFED HYBRID and esp dolphins (with warren defever of hnia)), an
interview with mark clifford of SEEFEEL (is that thislisty enough?), and
scott cortez of the PROJEKT band LOVESLIESCRUSHING and an interview with
john merrall of a more obscure mbv-ish band HEAVEN PIANO CO.
- next issue is almost done and has interviews with jan muchow of THE
ECSTASY OF SAINT THERESA, damon of SWIRLIES and seana (ex-SWIRLIES) of
SYRUP (are these thislisty enough?).
anyway, i thought i'd tell all of you because i am trying to get this
thing off the ground and know many of you might like these bands.
to get a copy of SUGARLift #1 or to get #2 when it's done, send $2 (US)
per issue for printing/postage to:
nicholas de Villiers
71 PINE STREET
thank you, love nicholas
together, mark and robin (!!!) told me in a letter!
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:53:30 -0400
>While were on the subject....
>What do Closedown sound like? I've seen the disk and I'm curious...
They're real slowdive-y... very beautiful...
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:39:53 EDT
Keep this fucking bullshit off the list. I signed up to the 4AD list to view
and engage in enlightening talk about 4AD BANDS. Your cookie-shit piece was a
waste of time to all other 373 members of this list. It made me want to hurl
and coat my keyboard with viscous vomit.
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:29:38 -0700
On Thu, 25 May 1995, Jeremy L Orr wrote:
> Of course, they could be forgiven if that "new" interview had something
> "new" to say, instead of just rehashing the same tired old crap that I
> read in interview after interview when _Four-Calendar_Cafe_ came out a
> *year*and*a*half* ago.
That's probably because the interview was probably conducted a year and
a half ago... what with the speed with which each Propaganda is issued...
"perhaps it's just the chocolate singing, broken winded, whistling..."
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:36:15 -0400
"Joe A. Casey"
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:04:02 -0700
> Keep this fucking bullshit off the list. I signed up to the 4AD list to view
> and engage in enlightening talk about 4AD BANDS. Your cookie-shit piece was a
> waste of time to all other 373 members of this list. It made me want to hurl
> and coat my keyboard with viscous vomit.
> Lighten the fuck UP, Frances. Unfortunately, there isn't always ENLIGHTENING
> talk about 4AD bands because there isn't always anything ENLIGHTENING to dis-
> cuss! Jesus...any idiot knows that if you don't want read the message, then
> fucking DELETE IT!! Your whining is a waste of MY time.
If there's nothing enlightening to talk about, why talk at all?
It does take time to delete 250 worthless messages...
(like this one)
"He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:13:24 -0400
According to the 4AD catalog, it's still available on tape & CD.
And I suppose i could make a smart-assed comment about whiners attacking
whiners, but that would kinda be whining, and then someone would attack me
for whining, and so on, and so on, and so on until our brains explode and
we're all a bunch of angry whiners with craniums full of tofu.
Well I think my work is done here....
[hops on gallant steed and gallops into the matte-painting sunset....]
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:37:21 EDT
On 5/25/95 Mike wrote:
>Lighten the fuck UP, Frances. Unfortunately, there isn't always >ENLIGHTENING
>talk about 4AD bands because there isn't always anything ENLIGHTENING >to dis-
>cuss! Jesus...any idiot knows that if you don't want read the message, >then
>fucking DELETE IT!! Your whining is a waste of MY time.
I was merely expressing my thoughts on that post. Obviously you should eat
what you dish out - if you didnt like my message, then you, as " any idiot"
should have known, should have deleted it. Learn to speak english while you're
***Some constructive notes:
- I too agree that the Closedown album sounds very much like Slowdive
- I heard a rumor that Glee Club has disbanded. Any truth?
- Can anyone provide a critique on the Spoonfed Hybrid album? I'm interested
in purchasing it.
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 23:42:58 +0200
>Yes it is, but the 'Super-Connected' CD-EP bears that same number. And to
>make it more complicated: 'Super-Connected' is a Euro-only (= non-UK)
>release, but comes in a digipak, that's manufactured in the UK. And to make
>it even more complicated: the German (Rought Trade) digipak has cat. number
>BAD 5003 CD, while the Benelux (PIAS) digipak has cat. number BAD 3005 CDK.
>It's your turn Ivo.
it`s me again....
I just bought the Belly "superconnected" (rough trade) single, but it has
the same number: bad 5003 cdk....the cover states Made in England while the
Cd states Rough Trade (Germany).
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 18:00:06 -0400
Now that we apparently understand one another (although I mock your in-
clination to criticise my ability to write or speak English properly...)
I haven't heard that bit about the Glee Club. I only heard that they had
left 4AD a while ago and were working on new material without any sort of
Spoonfed Hybrid's LP is rather interesting...If you've enjoyed Ian's previous
excursions into oddity from older Pale Saints releases, this is for you. I
actually haven't ever listened to AC Temple (Comments on AC Temple, anyone?),
so I don't know what sort of comparisons to offer from that angle. The other
guy, Chris, in Spoonfed Hybrid is from AC Temple. There are a couple of
tracks that stand out (especially track one, "Heaven's Knot" -- Ian's voice
is lovely), but overall it's not the kind of record you'd want to listen to
if you were thinking, "I just want to relax and lose myself...". I dunno
if that clears anything up for you or not. It can be rather experimental
in times. When I asked Meriel Barham about how she felt about it, she
explained how she could only listen to about 2 songs on the whole CD. Not
that she's any sort of authority or anything.
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:14:49 -0700
Apologies for the relative non-thislistyness of this question,
but there are many knowledgable people on this list.
Does anyone know the origins of the slow bongo drum beat used in
Primal Scream's "Come Together", The Art of Noise's "Art of Love" (Compiled
by the Orb), and an Annie Lennox song off of _Diva_ (the name escapes me)?
It may be Primal Scream but they have been known to sample also.
A friend has told me that George Michael used it in a song also.
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:21:20 -0700
On Thu, 25 May 1995, Joe A. Casey wrote:
> It made me want to hurl
> and coat my keyboard with viscous vomit.
How vividly volatile...voraciously vivacious and viciously vented....
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:34:13 -0600
I like Propaganda. They're out there doing something really different,
and doing a damn good job of it. Maybe they play things up a little
much, but they have got a real unique style. I don't think anyone will
ever confuse them for one of the other major music mags out there.
And now a question: does anyone know anything about the Cranes? I got
a cd5 of theirs about a year ago and hated it. I recently rediscovered
it, though, and am really starting to like it. And I noticed that Ivo
Watts-Russell and John Fryer are credited with remixing "Cloudless". The
remix is very TMC sounding. What's teh connection here? Did they used
to be on 4ad and switch labels? And does everything they do sound like
Cloudless and Jewel? Thanks.
Amber ......broadcasting from the edge of the madding crowd...... Storm
Waves Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. [email protected] In The
Of "the most beautiful noise" Ocean
Noise my bloody valentine Sky
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:42:50 -0500
i think some people were wanting this. if you want mine, you can have
it for one of the following:
The Fall - Dragnet cd
The Fall - Live At The Witch Trials cd
The Fall - Ed's Babe cd-single
Spiritualized - Anyway That You Want Me cd-single
the top two Fall were domestic US releases on IRS, i just got Dragnet
from someone in Finland, it arrived *cracked* by someone in the mail
system, quite a shame, really. anyways, i would take a US or UK
release of the Fall cds , doesn't matter too much to me.
can't say i read the list too much anymore, so please respond to me
personally, if interested ( [email protected] ).
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 18:46:53 -0400
i've got lush at chicago in '92, lush in europe in 91 (i think)
what do you have?
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:50:47 -0700
>hullo everyone, i used to be on this list a long time ago and decided
>resubscribe (i hope this works). anyway, i've started my own little
>'zine inspired by a friend of mine's: PLUME by sheila burgel. my
i used to write to Alyssa for a bit and she told me to write for
your 'zine, it sounds pretty cool. it's odd though, because she just
sort of stopped writing back! hehe i guess she descided she didn't like
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 19:16:31 EDT
Wed, 24 May 1995 22:35:03 -0500
> > The fault there lies with the bands
> > who take a huge advance to make the record, and then don't recover
> > on sales.
> True, this does happen far too often. As my bandmate Mark likes to say:
> rock bands (meaning "guitar bands") are simply cost-inefficient. :G)
Well, I think there's a lot of money wasted in the studio by first
time major label signees who are reasonably sure that it's important
to spend a lot of money on production, although they can't quite
tell you why. :-)
> I wasn't saying that Atlantic has no good bands on their roster; they
> have too many, as far as I'm concerned.
Atlantic is a big label, but I think their "alternative" people are
quite good, perhaps the best. They are taking chances on little
labels like Mammoth, Matador and Seed -- and even promoting pretty well.
It's an ugly business, but I think WEA and Atlantic do a decent job.
Look at Sony for the real sleaze.
> > It certainly beats
> > waiting eight months for the Nettwerk release like last time.
> (And the last release wasn't affiliated with
> Nettwerk in any way.)
Mmm. Right. "...like the time before last, or over a year for
Dali/Chameleon like last time." is what I meant to say. :-) I had
given up and ordered the Crammed release by then.