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Subject: Re: cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:23:35 -0400
From: Carolyn Hughes (Pandaura@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau plus +++
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 02:30:36 -0500
From: "Kendal . . ." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:43:11 -0400
From: "Lisa R. Chong" (yku00471@YORKU.CA)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 01:24:37 -0700
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad Bands onf films
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:50:39 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 06:36:36 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:06:48 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:32:50 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (gg@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:51:05 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: peter murphy-120min
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:05:51 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: the primitives
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:26:27 -0400
From: "Johnson C. Ho" (xymox@MAESTRO.COM)
Subject: items for sale
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:27:53 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jean Cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:47:49 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Jean Cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:50:52 -0400
From: "...good times for a change..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Joe Friday
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:24:07 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:21:22 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:34:42 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 4ad mac software
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:26:32 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: atlantic
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:55 +0100
From: j C j aubin (gec213@CENT1.LANCS.AC.UK)
Subject: *** FINAL WORD ON HALO 10: further down the spiral
Date: 17 May 1995 21:11:04 GMT
From: patters@ibms15.scri.fsu.edu (Jason Patterson)
Subject: Re: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:40:25 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:46:31 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Jean Cocteau and Jean Cocteau and Jean Cocteau again
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:47:06 -0500
From: "Kendal . . ." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:52:11 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: New This Mortal Coil?
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:53:00 EST
From: "rex c. arthur" (arthur@3SIXTY.VOYAGERCO.COM)
Subject: Garlands error
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:57:24 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: 'great moments in collecting'
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:02:14 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: 'great moments in collecting'
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:54:24 +0100
From: Tom Ewing (thomas.ewing@QUEENS.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Ivory Library tour dates
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:16:17 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:50:49 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Propaganda magazine's Cocteau Twins article
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:59:12 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:11:55 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Fwd> KoD Chicago tickets
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:25:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Joe Friday
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:18:13 -0700
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Re: peter murphy-120min
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:27:18 -0400
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Revolver EPs
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:53:02 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: moose discog
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:33:55 -0700
From: "lushmuse...i drank too much tea, i wrote my letters in kanji
Subject: Elysium
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:51:04 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (Shoogazr7@AOL.COM)
Subject: Any Bettie Serveert fans out there?
Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 00:07:00 -0400
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:23:35 -0400
From: Carolyn Hughes (Pandaura@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau


I thought that Jean Cocteau was an artist in Paris in the 20's/30's who also
directed the b/w film "Beauty and the Beast".I have never heard the dream
research; anyways the first explanation you read is the only one I have ever
seen. Am I missing something?

-*p*

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 02:30:36 -0500
From: "Kendal . . ." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: cocteau plus +++

              22, 95 03:23:35 am

>
> I thought that Jean Cocteau was an artist in Paris in the 20's/30's who also
> directed the b/w film "Beauty and the Beast".I have never heard the dream
> research; anyways the first explanation you read is the only one I have ever
> seen. Am I missing something?
>
> -*p*
>   What other references have been made?  Yes, he was...
                                kendal


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:43:11 -0400
From: "Lisa R. Chong" (yku00471@YORKU.CA)
Subject: Re: cocteau


On May 22,  3:23am, Carolyn Hughes wrote:
> Subject: Re: cocteau
> I thought that Jean Cocteau was an artist in Paris in the 20's/30's who
also
> directed the b/w film "Beauty and the Beast".I have never heard the dream
> research; anyways the first explanation you read is the only one I have
ever
> seen. Am I missing something?

i heard somewhere that he was the son of jean renoir, a famous French
artist.. i could be wrong..
i'm pretty sure he also directed the b/w film "orphee" (orpheus); i saw it,
and it's pretty much in the same style as "beauty and the beast".. jean
marais was in it too..it was very cool..
i think he wrote stuff too.

Lisa.

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 01:24:37 -0700
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news


On Sun, 21 May 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:

> On Sun, 21 May 1995, vilexile reported that someone else wrote:
> >
> > As some of you know, Bel Canto has finally signed a contract. They
> > decided to go for Atlantic Records on a new label, "Lava", which
> > evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom

> Huh!? Who? This is the same Atlantic that handles Led Zeppelin, right?
>
> Martin

This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase Stina
Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...and...and...

They also, to my knowledge, are the only label left in the world that has
not at some time dropped Bel Canto from their roster. ;)

What pisses me off is that the new album is finished.

Anyone care to hear about the new NIN release? There was quite a large
post ro wsd-l to this end...


e


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:50:39 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: 4ad Bands onf films


I was watching the Bad New/ More Bad News (UK version of Spinal Tap) and
during one scene when they go into a record store The official World Cup
Theme by Colorbox was playing. Just for all you completists.
Is the new Belly out in the UK?

HowAD

'H'y


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 06:36:36 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news


On Mon, 22 May 1995, vilexile wrote:

> > > evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom
>
> > Huh!? Who? This is the same Atlantic that handles Led Zeppelin, right?
> >
> This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase Stina
> Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...and...and...
> They also, to my knowledge, are the only label left in the world that has
> not at some time dropped Bel Canto from their roster. ;)

Yes, and they're saintly for that, but again I ask: Jason Who!? Atlantic's
most popular artist? This label has signed some giants. Surely this must
be a jest.

Martin


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:06:48 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: cocteau


Matthew said:
>What ever happened to the obvious connection to Jean Cocteau, a french
>dream researcher? I don't remember when he did his work, but apparantly his
>work is well known in the field.

Jean Cocteau was many things but he is most famous for directing many early
French films including Beauty and the Beast, Orpheus, Testament of Orpheus,
and Blood of a Poet (those are the ones i can think of offhand).  They
contain much dreamlike imagery and perhaps even an artistic/philosophical
investigation of dreaming but i wouldn't call him a dream researcher (i may
be wrong).  I recommend the films to anyone who isn't put off by subtitles
or now-antiquated, special effects.

-cz

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:32:50 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (gg@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single


Given that there was a recent promo-release of some
"Christianity" remixes, does this indicate that a new single
is in the pipeline?  I already asked this question, but
response was zilch.  Any people in the know?  Failing that,
anyone want to sell their copy of the promo CD-single?
Trade for rare FAX CDs?

grant..


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:51:05 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single


>
> Given that there was a recent promo-release of some
> "Christianity" remixes, does this indicate that a new single
> is in the pipeline?  I already asked this question, but
> response was zilch.  Any people in the know?  Failing that,
> anyone want to sell their copy of the promo CD-single?
> Trade for rare FAX CDs?
>
> grant..
>
I'm not sure what you mean.  If you are asking if TWP has officially
released Christianity as a single...then yes, there is even a video
of it (which is really cool, I might ad).  If you mean, will there
be another single release after this...I don't know.

Holly

P.S. I'm going to see them in Phily on Wednesday and I'm
sooooooooooo excited!!!!  A friend of mine was talking about the
"faint factor" of actually seeing them.  Yum!  M Allen is the
coolest!

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:05:51 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: peter murphy-120min


Just wanted to let any Peter Murphy fans know that he will be hosting
MTV's 120 Minutes next Sunday (day before Memorial day) at midnight.
Yum!!!!!  This might mean that he'll be touring sooner than we
expected.  COOOOOOOOL!

Holly

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:26:27 -0400
From: "Johnson C. Ho" (xymox@MAESTRO.COM)
Subject: the primitives


Hi List,
        Does anyone know whatever happened to "the primitives"?
I haven't seen them for a long time... did they break up?

Anyone knows where to find the lyrics to their songs?

Thanks! :)

JH

"She's gone to ride the angel's breath....." - Slowdive


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:27:53 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: items for sale


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Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:47:49 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Jean Cocteau


        Jean Cocteau was a film director/author/artist in the 1920s/30s.
"Beauty and the Beast" is a classic film, recently adapted to an opera by
Phillip Glass.  Cocteau also wrote several great plays, books, and poems
including "L'Enfant Terribles" and "Le Livre Blanc", a beautifully sad
book about being homosexual.
        On the back of The Smith's _Hatful of Hollow_ the "cover star"
has a tattoo of a drawing by Jean Cocteau.
        FYI.


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:50:52 -0400
From: "...good times for a change..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Jean Cocteau


On Mon, 22 May 1995, David Mccallum wrote:

>         On the back of The Smith's _Hatful of Hollow_ the "cover star"
> has a tattoo of a drawing by Jean Cocteau.
>         FYI.
>
        know.  :)

Joherius

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:24:07 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Joe Friday


Anyone heard of the 7" 4AD Spring '95 promo called "Joe Friday"?  I saw
it at my friend's place and only picked it up because it seemed to have
several multi-colored dildos on it.  It's three tracks... one by
Licorice, one by Red House Painters and one by Kendra Smith.  I think
that the Red House Painters song is the only one that's available on the
cd, the other 2 are non-album tracks.

Ivo

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:21:22 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news


---from einexile:

> On Sun, 21 May 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 May 1995, vilexile reported that someone else wrote:
>>>
>>> As some of you know, Bel Canto has finally signed a contract. They
>>> decided to go for Atlantic Records on a new label, "Lava", which
>>> evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom
>
>> Huh!? Who? This is the same Atlantic that handles Led Zeppelin, right?
>
> This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase
> Stina Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...
> and...and...

Well, that's all well and good, but I'd be surprised if either act made a
dime off their contract with Atlantic.

> They also, to my knowledge, are the only label left in the world that has
> not at some time dropped Bel Canto from their roster. ;)

You'd better knock on wood.  Atlantic is easily the most corrupt label in
a country full of them.  They have a nasty reputation for signing bands,
not promoting them, watching the album(s) flop, and then taking all the
funds for themselves as expense incurred for the production & promotion
of said album(s), and then leaving the bands in debt to the label.
Frankly, I fear for the worst.

> Anyone care to hear about the new NIN release? There was quite a large
> post ro wsd-l to this end...

e, if you're reading this, I'd like to hear about it (privately, if
necessary).

---Jeremy  Also still trying to figure out who
                                    in the hell "Jason Flom" is.

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:34:42 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: cocteau


just a funny little anecdote:

the guy at the check cashing place I go to saw my Cocteau Twins shirt and
asked if I was studying oceanography.  (It's Co_c_teau, not Cousteau, you
dolt!)


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:26:32 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 4ad mac software


On Sat, 20 May 1995, MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN wrote:

> -- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
>
> some time ago, there was mention of an interactive LUSH promo for
> macintosh. can this be downloaded somewhere on the web?
>

I don't know what anyone else thought of this, but after three fruitless
tries, we finally got the thing loaded up and it was kinda cool for the
first minute or so, but then it just seemed really lame.  The damn thing
kept freezing up on us as well.

*blech*

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:55 +0100
From: j C j aubin (gec213@CENT1.LANCS.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: atlantic


> >>> As some of you know, Bel Canto has finally signed a contract. They
> >>> decided to go for Atlantic Records on a new label, "Lava", which
> >>> evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom

> > This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase
> > Stina Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...
> > and...and...
>
> Well, that's all well and good, but I'd be surprised if either act made a
> dime off their contract with Atlantic.
>
> You'd better knock on wood.  Atlantic is easily the most corrupt label in
> a country full of them.  They have a nasty reputation for signing bands,
> not promoting them, watching the album(s) flop, and then taking all the
> funds for themselves as expense incurred for the production & promotion
> of said album(s), and then leaving the bands in debt to the label.
> Frankly, I fear for the worst.

Hey, i sort of resent that.  I used to work in the promotions and marketing
department at Atlantic as an intern.  I'd like to think that i did
something productive!!  Granted, the people i worked with liked the idea
of their jobs, more than the actual work involved, but they were very nice
people.  I really wouldn't know what goes on in the "big office" when
deals are made.  Admittedly, i think they do need a bigger promotions
department, especially for their alternative bands, because their bigger
acts like Tori Amos and the whole Jimmy Page and Robert Plant schpiel don't
need as much promotion.  The alternative department is really small and
could use a lot of help.
Did i work for a really nasty corporation?

jen

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:45:47 -0700
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: New NIN CD (fwd) - Coil/AFX/Foetus


Since there are a few ninnies on this list as well...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 22:14:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: theeonceandfutureending (ending@rci.ripco.com)
Subject: New NIN CD


for all of you coil fans out there, I figured I'd post this.  also, if
you are an aphex or foetus fan as well.
it just came across alt.music.nin, and it sounds like it will be a hell
of a CD.

From: patters@ibms15.scri.fsu.edu (Jason Patterson)
Subject: *** FINAL WORD ON HALO 10: further down the spiral

Date: 17 May 1995 21:11:04 GMT oh my god. shaking, i unwrap the plastic off of the cd, fedex'ed to me today. the packaging, once again, is incredible. here is a description of halo ten: further down the spiral: NINE INCH NAILS HALO TEN: further down the spiral 95811-2 tracks 1 piggy (nothing can stop me now) 2 the art of self destruction, part one 3 self destruction, part two 4 the downward spiral (the bottom) 5 hurt (quiet) 6 eraser (denial; realization) 7 at the heart of it all 8 eraser (polite) 9 self destruction, final 10 the beauty of being of numb 11 erased, over, out packaging normal jewel case... liner notes are a 2-page thing, printed in color on both sides. the cover is a coiled rope ontop of some blue/gray marble. the back cover is a zoom-in of the end of the rope (which is not seen on the front.. i.e. you can put the liner notes below the back cover and they overlap) track info 1 produced by rick rubin engineered by david sardy & david schiffman guitar: dave navarre beats: kim bullard 2 recreated by nine inch nails (chris vrenna, robin finck, danny lohner, charlie clouser, trent reznor) with sean beavan & brian pollack 3 remixed by j. g. thirwell at the room of doom, unique studios, nyc for ectopicents engineered by rob sutton and jim janik 4 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny hyde 5 remixed by trent reznor 6 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny hyde 7 created by aphex twin 8 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny hyde 9 remixed by j. g. thirwell at the room of doom, unique studios, nyc for ectopicents engineered by rob sutton and jim janik 10 section a: recreated by nine inch nails (chris vrenna, robin finck, danny lohner, charlie clouser, trent reznor) with sean beavan & brian pollack section b: created by aphex twin 11 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny hyde --- 1 is just the rick rubin remix... 2 is stunning, so is 3. 4 is haunting. very fixed-ish. nothing like halo 9 or halo 3's remixes with just a new beat track. the coil mixes are beyond belief. it flows too, just like tds. it was worth the wait. .. i realy hope this clears up a lot of stuff for everyone. latre.. p.s. expect a scanned-in image and info on the homepage by friday.. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jason patterson . crunchy@freenet.scri.fsu.edu //| // // //| // scene n._.n ncruncher : irc . patters@ibms15.scri.fsu.edu //||// // //||// missing `o o' number cruncher . patters@dirac.scri.fsu.edu // |// // // |// #0062048 (~@~) the nin home page is at www url: http://ibms15.scri.fsu.edu/~patters/nin.html "i'm stuck in this dream it's changing me i am becoming" - trent reznor - nin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *********** I can't wait for that personally. the remix stuff from NIN has always been the best, a la fixed. 4 Coil remixes. . . 2 foetus, 2 aphex. gonna be cool. --michael roston--tarnished golden boy--

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:40:25 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single


>>
>> Given that there was a recent promo-release of some
>> "Christianity" remixes, does this indicate that a new single
>> is in the pipeline?  I already asked this question, but
>> response was zilch.  Any people in the know?  Failing that,
>> anyone want to sell their copy of the promo CD-single?
>> Trade for rare FAX CDs?
>>
>> grant..
>>
>I'm not sure what you mean.  If you are asking if TWP has officially
>released Christianity as a single...then yes, there is even a video
>of it (which is really cool, I might ad).  If you mean, will there
>be another single release after this...I don't know.
>
>Holly
>

I'm not sure what YOU mean :). "officially released as a single" means that
you can walk into a record store and BUY it. isn't it? So is 'Christianity'
really out as a CDsingle in the USA or not?

Frank


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brink2@xs4all.nl
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Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:46:31 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: kool bel canto news


On Mon, 22 May 1995, Jeremy L Orr wrote:

> You'd better knock on wood.  Atlantic is easily the most corrupt label in
> a country full of them.  They have a nasty reputation for signing bands,
> not promoting them, watching the album(s) flop, and then taking all the
> funds for themselves as expense incurred for the production & promotion
> of said album(s), and then leaving the bands in debt to the label.
> Frankly, I fear for the worst.
>
Well, Columbia's pretty evil about that too. They've boned so many bands
from my humble hometown of Austin that way it's criminal.

I repeat, who in Jesus' name is JASON FLOM!!!??!??!??!!    :/

Martin

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:47:06 -0500
From: "Kendal . . ." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jean Cocteau and Jean Cocteau and Jean Cocteau again

              22, 95 09:47:49 am

>
>         Jean Cocteau was a film director/author/artist in the 1920s/30s.
> "Beauty and the Beast" is a classic film, recently adapted to an opera by
> Phillip Glass.  Cocteau also wrote several great plays, books, and poems
> including "L'Enfant Terribles" and "Le Livre Blanc", a beautifully sad
> book about being homosexual.
>         On the back of The Smith's _Hatful of Hollow_ the "cover star"
> has a tattoo of a drawing by Jean Cocteau.
>         FYI.
>  Cocteau was also present in Paris prior to even the twenties...over
the years, he even dabbled in fashion illustration and heroine.  Read
about him if you like; the biography "Cocteau" by Francis Steegmuller
is very interesting.  Does anyone know about other films like the
death of a poet or (something about) orpheus? The stills from them in
that book are just godlike :)
                                        Kendal

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:52:11 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Wolfgang Press "Christianity" single


On Mon, 22 May 1995, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

> >>
> I'm not sure what YOU mean :). "officially released as a single" means that
> you can walk into a record store and BUY it. isn't it? So is 'Christianity'
> really out as a CDsingle in the USA or not?
>
Yeah, I'd like to know this too. Christianity T-shirts were being hawked
at the show, so I gathered a single may be forthcoming. If a video does
in fact exist that ups the likelihood a tad. Come on, somebody over in
the UK must be able to confirm this. 

Martin

PS I still wanna know who Jason Flom is. Really.

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:53:00 EST
From: "rex c. arthur" (arthur@3SIXTY.VOYAGERCO.COM)
Subject: Re: New This Mortal Coil?


if i remember correctly, he also said in that article that the project/band
will be named BLOOD, as in the last song on the last TMC album 'blood.' a
kind of picking up where one left off sort of thing. i imagine that the
project will have a different name by the time it comes out. you know how
that ivo guy is always changing his mind.

>> I've just heard a rumour that a lot of 4AD's
>> artists are recording covers nowadays and that
>> Ivo is often seen in the control-rooms. Is he
>> preparing a new V/A? Does anybody know what's happening?
>
>
>I read an interview with IVO, probably over a year ago now, in which he said
>there would be no more TMC albums.  He also said, however, that he would be
>working on a similar new project with a new name.
>
>Maybe that's what's going on.

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:57:24 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Garlands error


Jeremy wrote:

>So where do the other two tracks ("Speak No Evil" and "Perhaps Some Other
>Aeon") come from?  Are they otherwise-unavailable outtakes or something?

Mike and Brant Nelson have posted on this already.  The only part of
Jeremy's question they didn't seem to answer concerns the original release
of "Perhaps Some Other Aeon".  This was originally released with a fanzine
(Scottish I think) called Sunset Gun.  I can't remember now if it was on a
flexi (like "Speak No Evil") or a tape.

Simon Hughes


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:02:14 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: 'great moments in collecting'

              19 May 1995 17:40:29 -0400

Brant Nelson wrote:

>How about if we stir up the list a bit and start describing
>our 'great moments in collecting', those times when we get
>something we've always been looking for at a price far less
>than we should have had the seller known what he had.

It's maybe a bit off-topic, but the list did discuss Cabaret Voltaire
recently so...  My only similar experience was around 1984, when I picked
up CV's 1974--1976 Industrial tape was a standard record store for about a
quid ($1.50).  I guess they'd had it for years, couldn't sell it (not many
people know that it's very rare, desirable and worth a few bob) and were
just discounting it more and more.

Simon Hughes

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:54:24 +0100
From: Tom Ewing (thomas.ewing@QUEENS.OXFORD.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 'great moments in collecting'


It's a terribly anal way to start off my contribution to the 4AD list but
there you go...

KLF's "Chill Out" LP, original vinyl copy, excellent condition.....20 p.

About 18 months ago in a London bargain basement.

Cheers,


Snufkin (thomas.ewing@queens.ox.ac.uk)
"'No blind spots in the leopard's eyes can only help to jeopardise the
lives of lambs,' the shepherd cries." (Wire, 1978)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:16:17 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Ivory Library tour dates


Since there have been a few posts recently about ivory library, here's
the upcoming tour itinerary for those of you who'd like to check them
out. It'll be well worth your time & money.

June 1:     Red Sea                     Minneapolis MN
June 10:   O'Cayz                      Madison WI
June 15:   Lili's 21                     Detroit MI (tent)
June 16:  The Squeeze Club      Toronto ONT
June 17:  Milestone's                 Rochester NY (tent)
June 19:  Club Metronome         Burlington VT (tent)
June 21:  The Elvis Room          Portsmouth NH
June 22:  TT the Bear's              Cambridge MA
June 23:  The Elvis Room          Portland ME
June 24:  The Court Tavern        Asbury Park NJ (tent)
June 25:  The Saint                     New Brunswick NJ (tent)
June 26:  CB's Gallery               New York NY
July 12:  7th Street Entry            Minneapolis MN
July 15:  O'Cayz                         Madison WI


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:50:49 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters


> >   What is the extra track on the vinyl version of "Ocean Beach"??
> >
> The extra track is also on the CD version and appears to be a dreary jam

Wrong.

> Has anyone heard the RHP song included on the soundtrack to a movie coming
> out soon (i forgot the damn title)?  For that matter, since I'm a sucker
> for any RHP material, does anyone know of other releases besides the 4
> albums out?

New movie?  No, but I saw 'floundering' last night - the reason being
that I knew it had an RHP song in it - and it was a *complete* waste of time.

4 albums, 1 ep...

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:59:12 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Propaganda magazine's Cocteau Twins article


Iceblink writes:
>underlined the fact that they CAN write songs without
>the influence of drugs or technological trickery

There's ten times the technological trickery on 4CC than on "Garlands".
They're using a bit less of it than on prior releases, but that's not
intrinsically a good thing.

>and that she CAN write
>real lyrics that have meaning for HER and possibly others without sacrificing
>anything and without relying on her old habits.

As I've said before, the ironclad reason I have for hating her turn to
intelligible lyrics is that they are not _her_ lyrics. They are mostly just
platitudes recycled from "codependency", "recovery" self-help books. They do
not convey any original ideas, they just show the kind of psychobabble she's
been reading. If you think this is an exaggeration, just page through some of
those books at a store or library; I don't recommend you actually pay money
for them. It bothers me because there is no originality to getting your
answers verbatim out of a book; it's the therapeutic equivalent of listening
to Bon Jovi. If there's anything that ties together the artists we celebrate
on this list, it's their devotion to making new sounds and new ideas, things
that seem odd and alien at first but draw you in as much as they scare you.
That's exactly the reaction I had to "Head Over Heels" and "Lullabies", and
I'll never forget it. It's what the Cocteaux seem to have explicitly
repudiated in the last few years.

If it helps Liz's personal life to read these books and write these kinds of
lyrics, that's great for her. But there's no reason I have to like or admire
the lyrics for themselves.

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Geometer _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

              Zachary Taylor was a Barosaurus and, at 89 feet,
                  was possibly our longest President ever.

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:11:55 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau


Matthew M. Montano writes:
>What ever happened to the obvious connection to Jean Cocteau, a french
>dream researcher? I don't remember when he did his work, but apparantly his
>work is well known in the field.

Jean Cocteau was a Surrealist avant garde poet/ filmmaker; he made the classic
film of "Beauty And The Beast" ("La Belle et la Bete") in the '30s(?).
The Surrealists did believe in the primacy of dreams and visionary
experiences, but they would have sneered at the term "researcher". They were
not interested in anything as orderly as research.

I'd like to think that Surrealism was a major influence on the Cocteau Twins,
but I don't know for sure. The most blatant user of Surrealism in the 4AD
roster was definitely the Pixies -- not only does "Debaser" mention by name
Dali and Bunuel's film "Un Chien d'Andalou", but the photography on their
albums (by that guy whose last name I can never spell) is very, very
Surrealist-inspired. Compare it with Man Ray's photography sometime.

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Geometer _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

              Zachary Taylor was a Barosaurus and, at 89 feet,
                  was possibly our longest President ever.

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:25:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Fwd> KoD Chicago tickets


Jim asked me to post this to 4AD-L. Please reply to him at
, not to me.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have two tickets to spare and transportation available for the KITCHENS
OF DISTINCTION show at Double Door in Chicago on Thursday, 25 May.  If
you are interested in attending the show, please email me ASAP.  I'll be
happy to provide round trip transport for a couple of KOD fans in the
Cham-bana area.  Doors open at 8:00 P.M. and opening act FOSSIL is
scheduled to hit the stage at 10:00 P.M.


James S. Javenkoski                "You stand here in my place
Graduate Research Assistant         Feel the warmth upon your face
University of Illinois              Stand back and start to smile
Department of Food Science          You now have time, you now have will..."
399B Bevier Hall
905 South Goodwin Avenue            KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION
Urbana, IL 61801-3852               "Drive That Fast"


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:18:13 -0700
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Re: Joe Friday


Joe Friday a selection of 4AD artists; spring 1995 Promotion Only.
K9 (catalogue number)

Disappearing_.
   Red House Painters "Long Distance Runaround" not available on the
CD _Ocean Beach_.

is what the information of the back of the 7" says.

It plays at 33 1/3. The artwork is different shots of the "electric
squash" (or neon turds as someone said) from the Mail Order #2
Postcard. Design: Vaughan Oliver at v23. Assistance: Kees Hubers.


shane | shane@trex.org

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:27:18 -0400
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: peter murphy-120min


I have to admit it.  Although I'm not a big Hank Rollins fan, he did get off
a good one on the Ol' Sanity Assassin when he said: "Peter Murphy will be
hosting next week, combing his hair, sucking in his cheekbones and dying of
malnutrition right here on 120 Mins..."  Sorry to say, but it's Hankie: 1,

Dave


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:53:02 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Revolver EPs


Someone asked for the tracklistings for the Revolver EPs
I'm selling. Here they are:

       Cherish

       Drowning Inside / Further Away


As before, $7 each.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:33:55 -0700
From: "lushmuse...i drank too much tea, i wrote my letters in kanji
Subject: moose discog


hey 4ad-ers and dreampoppers!!

        i was wondering if any of you know or have the discography of
moose?  their stuff is so hard to find.  my friend has "sonny of sam"
and it supposed to be a domestic release and i can't find that one
either!  any help would be greatly appreciated!

thanks!


Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:51:04 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (Shoogazr7@AOL.COM)
Subject: Elysium


Hi, all.
I was given a chance to hear the forthcoming album (Dewdrops 004) by Elysium,
and thought I'd give you the down n' dirty (okay, not so down and anything
but dirty) on this fantastic release. It really is a special piece of music.
Sort of a long-winded post, I know. But I was doing it track-by-track and as
I was listening, so it's uncensored and in "real-time". Bear with me. The
band is worth it! :-)
>"glistening ganache" - HOLV-era Cocteau Twins - only five-ten-fiftyfold
better!!! The guitars meander and sparkle like Dif Juz, the vocals are
emotion
al, beautifuly layered; they strive for complex harmonies and arrangements,
with brilliant success. "Glistening" is the perfect word for this sun-kissed,
yet vaguely disturbing, song.
>"soledad" - True the title, I hear a Spanish influence. Brings to mind a
more mature Sundays, but there's far more going on under the surface. Lovely
picking over a riveting bassline, and almost military percussion. There is
something urgent here - almost like "goth-lite", but without the bitter
aftertaste... The chimes(?) near the end add a sense of elegance and
melanchol
y. A little reminiscent of LSD (as in "Love's Labour's Lost), but this is far
more driving. Maybe just a /bit/ overlong, but great anyways. Two-for-two.
>"proud man" - More Dif Juz guitars, maybe a touch of Slowdive in the
background drone. The vocals melt over everything, with a bit of sun-burnt
warpage. When she does that double-harmony thing, it really can take your
breath away... And look! Fraser-esque acrobatics. But not as outspoken. They
have a wonderful sense of subtlety. Nothing bludgeons you. But it's too
immediate to slip unnoticed into the background. Reminds me ever so slightly
of Belly's "Low Red Moon". Same hushed and hazy feeling. I think this is much
better, though. 3 - for - 3.
>"dulcinea" - (This had BETTER not remind me of Toad the Bland Sprocket...)
She sounds quite a bit like Suzanne Vega on this track. But the music is less
rushed, yet simultaneously casual and intimate. While stripping the sound
down to an acoustic guitar seems to detract from the walls of beauty on
earlier tracks, this is just as powerful. And miles-removed from
singer/songwriter banality. Is it my imagination, or is her voice unnaturally
perfect? :-) And credit goes to anyone who can make an acoustic guitar
resembl
e a sax solo (at the end). They're 4/4 so far.
>"the road" - Ahh... back to the full-band sound that I love so much.
Fleeting impressions of Kristin Hersh, both in vocal quality and in lyrical
content. Actually, this track is the most average of all I've
heard so far. It's still pretty, and is far better than the best songs by
many other groups. But, by the standard set by the earlier songs, it almost
doesn't measure up. I'm not going to complain, though. 4 5/7out of 5  - round
it up to 5/5!
>"i was a child" - mmmmm.... that's more like it! Skipping beat, noisy drone
in the distance, creative drums. I think we have another winner here. Makes
me think of jumping rope or playing hopscotch in the rain. Maybe it's the
'chi
ld' in the title. The chorus sounds a little like Siouxsie. But [Elysium]
doesn't pile unnecessary filigree, out-of-place dance beats, or bombast on
their haunting songs. They don't have to - a well written song speaks for
itself. And this song speaks loud and clear. six for six. (read: one whole
side during which I kept far far away from the FFWD button!)

>"sweetly said" - The chord changes remind me of Orange. But I know this is
not them, because I can hear every syllable being sung! Not that
unintelligibilty is a bad thing... This song is vaguely jazzy, in an
acceptable way. I can think of any 'audience' that would find it offensive,
except maybe for the NIN-HELMET-PANTERA crowd. But what do they know about
music anyways!?! Elysium manage the laudable task of keeping everything far
removed from 'tweeness'. The titles would have you thinking otherwise. :-)
  7 for 7
>"first thought" - The drummer is certainly inventive. And that's not one of
the first things I tend to notice in a group. A little more of that jazzy
guitar interplay, but this time it's tempered with a tasty bit of dissonance.
I miss the vocals, but if all the instrumentals were this good, I wouldn't
care. Is that a violin? If not, the guitarist has managed to wring incredibly
dulcet tones from his(?) instrument. There's more feeling in these sparse
notes than any long, winding, raging, boring guitar solo could ever convey.
Wait... I do miss the vocalist. I hope she'll be back, soon...   8/8.
>"close to the end" - my 'first thought' is "But I don't want this to end!"
Sp
anish guitar, a little noise. Drifting, drowsy, dreamy... delicious! Could be
a dream fusion of She Never Blinks and MBV, as unlikely (and unwieldly) as
that sounds. That sudden elec. guitar outburst brings a sudden rush of
memories to mind - all of them dated "Early 4AD"! Can't you see TMC covering
this? Or Liz singing her heart out over this? I hear the shadows of M. Brook
and his "infinite guitar", too. Over far too soon. I'm tempted to subtract a
point for that... But this instrumental was so riveting that only now did I
realize that it WAS an instrumental, so.... 9 out of 9.
(is this a short track, or a continuation of the last one?) - The vocalist is
back! And I welcome her with open arms!!! The fuzzy guitar gives me a feeling
of great warmth. Cozy and comforting, a blanket of sound to keep you warm on
a cold winter night. Again, too short. But why carp?
>"calm peril" - This is the sound that people like Sarah McLachlan(sp?)
are always striving for, and always fail to achieve.
Maybe it's because the subtle music and the cool calm of the vocals doesn't
scream at you. This is as sweet a lullaby as I have ever heard. 10 out of 10
>"in times..." - Tel Basta, anyone? But where are the chimes and gongs? And
the Eastern percussion. No, this is a very different animal. A very honeyed
and graceful animal. Ooh - crescendos ...To where? We're building up to
something big, folks! Can it get any better? I think this is one of my
favorite tracks so far! Early Disco-Inferno guitar (always a good thing!) and
faint echoes of Dif Juz again. While certain idiots might accuse the vocalist
of being overly theatrical, I couldn't disagree more! She gives strength and
life to every song and to every word. Never did quite 'explode', by the way.
Just sailed out gracefully and sweetly. But I'm not one to complain. This
band doesn't seem to be about doing 'big and showy'. No floridity here. Just
great music! 11 out of 11. impossible!
                           * * * * SUMMATION * * * *
While I love Orange's album, I wouldn't rate it nearly as high as this.
It's up there with the best of the year thusfar ("Pygmalion", "Succor",
"Music for the Amorphous Body..." ... hmm, it's been a slow year!)


Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 00:07:00 -0400
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Any Bettie Serveert fans out there?


To fans of Bettie Serveert, I was wondering if any of you would recommend
getting Lamprey or Palomine.  I kinda liked "Crutches" and "Ray ray rain"
as well as "Kid's alright" but how do the albums compare?

Of course, the relation to 4AD is that Palomine was released on Guernica.


--- Lucius Kwok  (lucius@astro.ocis.temple.edu) ---