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Subject: Revolver EPs
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Subject: Any Bettie Serveert fans out there?
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:23:35 -0400
I thought that Jean Cocteau was an artist in Paris in the 20's/30's who also
directed the b/w film "Beauty and the Beast".I have never heard the dream
research; anyways the first explanation you read is the only one I have ever
seen. Am I missing something?
-*p*
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 02:30:36 -0500
22, 95 03:23:35 am
>
> I thought that Jean Cocteau was an artist in Paris in the 20's/30's who also
> directed the b/w film "Beauty and the Beast".I have never heard the dream
> research; anyways the first explanation you read is the only one I have ever
> seen. Am I missing something?
>
> -*p*
> What other references have been made? Yes, he was...
kendal
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 03:43:11 -0400
On May 22, 3:23am, Carolyn Hughes wrote:
> Subject: Re: cocteau
> I thought that Jean Cocteau was an artist in Paris in the 20's/30's who
also
> directed the b/w film "Beauty and the Beast".I have never heard the dream
> research; anyways the first explanation you read is the only one I have
ever
> seen. Am I missing something?
i heard somewhere that he was the son of jean renoir, a famous French
artist.. i could be wrong..
i'm pretty sure he also directed the b/w film "orphee" (orpheus); i saw it,
and it's pretty much in the same style as "beauty and the beast".. jean
marais was in it too..it was very cool..
i think he wrote stuff too.
Lisa.
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 01:24:37 -0700
On Sun, 21 May 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 1995, vilexile reported that someone else wrote:
> >
> > As some of you know, Bel Canto has finally signed a contract. They
> > decided to go for Atlantic Records on a new label, "Lava", which
> > evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom
> Huh!? Who? This is the same Atlantic that handles Led Zeppelin, right?
>
> Martin
This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase Stina
Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...and...and...
They also, to my knowledge, are the only label left in the world that has
not at some time dropped Bel Canto from their roster. ;)
What pisses me off is that the new album is finished.
Anyone care to hear about the new NIN release? There was quite a large
post ro wsd-l to this end...
e
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:50:39 +0100
I was watching the Bad New/ More Bad News (UK version of Spinal Tap) and
during one scene when they go into a record store The official World Cup
Theme by Colorbox was playing. Just for all you completists.
Is the new Belly out in the UK?
HowAD
'H'y
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 06:36:36 -0500
On Mon, 22 May 1995, vilexile wrote:
> > > evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom
>
> > Huh!? Who? This is the same Atlantic that handles Led Zeppelin, right?
> >
> This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase Stina
> Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...and...and...
> They also, to my knowledge, are the only label left in the world that has
> not at some time dropped Bel Canto from their roster. ;)
Yes, and they're saintly for that, but again I ask: Jason Who!? Atlantic's
most popular artist? This label has signed some giants. Surely this must
be a jest.
Martin
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:06:48 -0500
Matthew said:
>What ever happened to the obvious connection to Jean Cocteau, a french
>dream researcher? I don't remember when he did his work, but apparantly his
>work is well known in the field.
Jean Cocteau was many things but he is most famous for directing many early
French films including Beauty and the Beast, Orpheus, Testament of Orpheus,
and Blood of a Poet (those are the ones i can think of offhand). They
contain much dreamlike imagery and perhaps even an artistic/philosophical
investigation of dreaming but i wouldn't call him a dream researcher (i may
be wrong). I recommend the films to anyone who isn't put off by subtitles
or now-antiquated, special effects.
-cz
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:32:50 +0200
Given that there was a recent promo-release of some
"Christianity" remixes, does this indicate that a new single
is in the pipeline? I already asked this question, but
response was zilch. Any people in the know? Failing that,
anyone want to sell their copy of the promo CD-single?
Trade for rare FAX CDs?
grant..
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:51:05 EDT
>
> Given that there was a recent promo-release of some
> "Christianity" remixes, does this indicate that a new single
> is in the pipeline? I already asked this question, but
> response was zilch. Any people in the know? Failing that,
> anyone want to sell their copy of the promo CD-single?
> Trade for rare FAX CDs?
>
> grant..
>
I'm not sure what you mean. If you are asking if TWP has officially
released Christianity as a single...then yes, there is even a video
of it (which is really cool, I might ad). If you mean, will there
be another single release after this...I don't know.
Holly
P.S. I'm going to see them in Phily on Wednesday and I'm
sooooooooooo excited!!!! A friend of mine was talking about the
"faint factor" of actually seeing them. Yum! M Allen is the
coolest!
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:05:51 EDT
Just wanted to let any Peter Murphy fans know that he will be hosting
MTV's 120 Minutes next Sunday (day before Memorial day) at midnight.
Yum!!!!! This might mean that he'll be touring sooner than we
expected. COOOOOOOOL!
Holly
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:26:27 -0400
Hi List,
Does anyone know whatever happened to "the primitives"?
I haven't seen them for a long time... did they break up?
Anyone knows where to find the lyrics to their songs?
Thanks! :)
JH
"She's gone to ride the angel's breath....." - Slowdive
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:27:53 -0700
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Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:47:49 -0700
Jean Cocteau was a film director/author/artist in the 1920s/30s.
"Beauty and the Beast" is a classic film, recently adapted to an opera by
Phillip Glass. Cocteau also wrote several great plays, books, and poems
including "L'Enfant Terribles" and "Le Livre Blanc", a beautifully sad
book about being homosexual.
On the back of The Smith's _Hatful of Hollow_ the "cover star"
has a tattoo of a drawing by Jean Cocteau.
FYI.
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:50:52 -0400
On Mon, 22 May 1995, David Mccallum wrote:
> On the back of The Smith's _Hatful of Hollow_ the "cover star"
> has a tattoo of a drawing by Jean Cocteau.
> FYI.
>
know. :)
Joherius
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:24:07 -0700
Anyone heard of the 7" 4AD Spring '95 promo called "Joe Friday"? I saw
it at my friend's place and only picked it up because it seemed to have
several multi-colored dildos on it. It's three tracks... one by
Licorice, one by Red House Painters and one by Kendra Smith. I think
that the Red House Painters song is the only one that's available on the
cd, the other 2 are non-album tracks.
Ivo
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:21:22 -0500
---from einexile:
> On Sun, 21 May 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 May 1995, vilexile reported that someone else wrote:
>>>
>>> As some of you know, Bel Canto has finally signed a contract. They
>>> decided to go for Atlantic Records on a new label, "Lava", which
>>> evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom
>
>> Huh!? Who? This is the same Atlantic that handles Led Zeppelin, right?
>
> This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase
> Stina Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...
> and...and...
Well, that's all well and good, but I'd be surprised if either act made a
dime off their contract with Atlantic.
> They also, to my knowledge, are the only label left in the world that has
> not at some time dropped Bel Canto from their roster. ;)
You'd better knock on wood. Atlantic is easily the most corrupt label in
a country full of them. They have a nasty reputation for signing bands,
not promoting them, watching the album(s) flop, and then taking all the
funds for themselves as expense incurred for the production & promotion
of said album(s), and then leaving the bands in debt to the label.
Frankly, I fear for the worst.
> Anyone care to hear about the new NIN release? There was quite a large
> post ro wsd-l to this end...
e, if you're reading this, I'd like to hear about it (privately, if
necessary).
---Jeremy
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:34:42 -0700
just a funny little anecdote:
the guy at the check cashing place I go to saw my Cocteau Twins shirt and
asked if I was studying oceanography. (It's Co_c_teau, not Cousteau, you
dolt!)
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:26:32 -0700
On Sat, 20 May 1995, MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN wrote:
> -- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
>
> some time ago, there was mention of an interactive LUSH promo for
> macintosh. can this be downloaded somewhere on the web?
>
I don't know what anyone else thought of this, but after three fruitless
tries, we finally got the thing loaded up and it was kinda cool for the
first minute or so, but then it just seemed really lame. The damn thing
kept freezing up on us as well.
*blech*
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:55 +0100
> >>> As some of you know, Bel Canto has finally signed a contract. They
> >>> decided to go for Atlantic Records on a new label, "Lava", which
> >>> evidently was created for Atlantic's most popular artist, Jason Flom
> > This is the same Atlantic that finally made it possible to puchase
> > Stina Nordenstam records in America, bub! Not to mention Opus III...
> > and...and...
>
> Well, that's all well and good, but I'd be surprised if either act made a
> dime off their contract with Atlantic.
>
> You'd better knock on wood. Atlantic is easily the most corrupt label in
> a country full of them. They have a nasty reputation for signing bands,
> not promoting them, watching the album(s) flop, and then taking all the
> funds for themselves as expense incurred for the production & promotion
> of said album(s), and then leaving the bands in debt to the label.
> Frankly, I fear for the worst.
Hey, i sort of resent that. I used to work in the promotions and marketing
department at Atlantic as an intern. I'd like to think that i did
something productive!! Granted, the people i worked with liked the idea
of their jobs, more than the actual work involved, but they were very nice
people. I really wouldn't know what goes on in the "big office" when
deals are made. Admittedly, i think they do need a bigger promotions
department, especially for their alternative bands, because their bigger
acts like Tori Amos and the whole Jimmy Page and Robert Plant schpiel don't
need as much promotion. The alternative department is really small and
could use a lot of help.
Did i work for a really nasty corporation?
jen
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:45:47 -0700
Since there are a few ninnies on this list as well...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 22:14:57 -0500 (CDT)
for all of you coil fans out there, I figured I'd post this. also, if
you are an aphex or foetus fan as well.
it just came across alt.music.nin, and it sounds like it will be a hell
of a CD.
Date: 17 May 1995 21:11:04 GMT
oh my god. shaking, i unwrap the plastic off of the cd, fedex'ed to me
today. the packaging, once again, is incredible.
here is a description of halo ten: further down the spiral:
NINE INCH NAILS HALO TEN: further down the spiral 95811-2
tracks
1 piggy (nothing can stop me now)
2 the art of self destruction, part one
3 self destruction, part two
4 the downward spiral (the bottom)
5 hurt (quiet)
6 eraser (denial; realization)
7 at the heart of it all
8 eraser (polite)
9 self destruction, final
10 the beauty of being of numb
11 erased, over, out
packaging
normal jewel case... liner notes are a 2-page thing, printed in color
on both sides. the cover is a coiled rope ontop of some blue/gray marble.
the back cover is a zoom-in of the end of the rope (which is not seen on the
front.. i.e. you can put the liner notes below the back cover and they
overlap)
track info
1 produced by rick rubin engineered by david sardy & david schiffman
guitar: dave navarre beats: kim bullard
2 recreated by nine inch nails (chris vrenna, robin finck, danny lohner,
charlie clouser, trent reznor) with sean beavan & brian pollack
3 remixed by j. g. thirwell at the room of doom, unique studios, nyc for
ectopicents engineered by rob sutton and jim janik
4 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny
hyde
5 remixed by trent reznor
6 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny
hyde
7 created by aphex twin
8 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny
hyde
9 remixed by j. g. thirwell at the room of doom, unique studios, nyc for
ectopicents engineered by rob sutton and jim janik
10 section a: recreated by nine inch nails (chris vrenna, robin finck, danny
lohner, charlie clouser, trent reznor) with sean beavan & brian pollack
section b: created by aphex twin
11 john balance, peter christopherson and drew mcdowall of coil with danny
hyde
---
1 is just the rick rubin remix... 2 is stunning, so is 3. 4 is haunting.
very fixed-ish. nothing like halo 9 or halo 3's remixes with just a new beat
track. the coil mixes are beyond belief. it flows too, just like tds.
it was worth the wait.
.. i realy hope this clears up a lot of stuff for everyone.
latre..
p.s. expect a scanned-in image and info on the homepage by friday.. :)
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I can't wait for that personally. the remix stuff from NIN has always
been the best, a la fixed.
4 Coil remixes. . . 2 foetus, 2 aphex. gonna be cool.
--michael roston--tarnished golden boy--
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:40:25 +0200
>>
>> Given that there was a recent promo-release of some
>> "Christianity" remixes, does this indicate that a new single
>> is in the pipeline? I already asked this question, but
>> response was zilch. Any people in the know? Failing that,
>> anyone want to sell their copy of the promo CD-single?
>> Trade for rare FAX CDs?
>>
>> grant..
>>
>I'm not sure what you mean. If you are asking if TWP has officially
>released Christianity as a single...then yes, there is even a video
>of it (which is really cool, I might ad). If you mean, will there
>be another single release after this...I don't know.
>
>Holly
>
I'm not sure what YOU mean :). "officially released as a single" means that
you can walk into a record store and BUY it. isn't it? So is 'Christianity'
really out as a CDsingle in the USA or not?
Frank
++++++++++++
[email protected]
++++++++++++
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:46:31 -0500
On Mon, 22 May 1995, Jeremy L Orr wrote:
> You'd better knock on wood. Atlantic is easily the most corrupt label in
> a country full of them. They have a nasty reputation for signing bands,
> not promoting them, watching the album(s) flop, and then taking all the
> funds for themselves as expense incurred for the production & promotion
> of said album(s), and then leaving the bands in debt to the label.
> Frankly, I fear for the worst.
>
Well, Columbia's pretty evil about that too. They've boned so many bands
from my humble hometown of Austin that way it's criminal.
I repeat, who in Jesus' name is JASON FLOM!!!??!??!??!! :/
Martin
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:47:06 -0500
22, 95 09:47:49 am
>
> Jean Cocteau was a film director/author/artist in the 1920s/30s.
> "Beauty and the Beast" is a classic film, recently adapted to an opera by
> Phillip Glass. Cocteau also wrote several great plays, books, and poems
> including "L'Enfant Terribles" and "Le Livre Blanc", a beautifully sad
> book about being homosexual.
> On the back of The Smith's _Hatful of Hollow_ the "cover star"
> has a tattoo of a drawing by Jean Cocteau.
> FYI.
> Cocteau was also present in Paris prior to even the twenties...over
the years, he even dabbled in fashion illustration and heroine. Read
about him if you like; the biography "Cocteau" by Francis Steegmuller
is very interesting. Does anyone know about other films like the
death of a poet or (something about) orpheus? The stills from them in
that book are just godlike :)
Kendal
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:52:11 -0500
On Mon, 22 May 1995, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> >>
> I'm not sure what YOU mean :). "officially released as a single" means that
> you can walk into a record store and BUY it. isn't it? So is 'Christianity'
> really out as a CDsingle in the USA or not?
>
Yeah, I'd like to know this too. Christianity T-shirts were being hawked
at the show, so I gathered a single may be forthcoming. If a video does
in fact exist that ups the likelihood a tad. Come on, somebody over in
the UK must be able to confirm this.
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:53:00 EST
if i remember correctly, he also said in that article that the project/band
will be named BLOOD, as in the last song on the last TMC album 'blood.' a
kind of picking up where one left off sort of thing. i imagine that the
project will have a different name by the time it comes out. you know how
that ivo guy is always changing his mind.
>> I've just heard a rumour that a lot of 4AD's
>> artists are recording covers nowadays and that
>> Ivo is often seen in the control-rooms. Is he
>> preparing a new V/A? Does anybody know what's happening?
>
>
>I read an interview with IVO, probably over a year ago now, in which he said
>there would be no more TMC albums. He also said, however, that he would be
>working on a similar new project with a new name.
>
>Maybe that's what's going on.
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:57:24 GMT
Jeremy wrote:
>So where do the other two tracks ("Speak No Evil" and "Perhaps Some Other
>Aeon") come from? Are they otherwise-unavailable outtakes or something?
Mike and Brant Nelson have posted on this already. The only part of
Jeremy's question they didn't seem to answer concerns the original release
of "Perhaps Some Other Aeon". This was originally released with a fanzine
(Scottish I think) called Sunset Gun. I can't remember now if it was on a
flexi (like "Speak No Evil") or a tape.
Simon Hughes
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:02:14 GMT
19 May 1995 17:40:29 -0400
Brant Nelson wrote:
>How about if we stir up the list a bit and start describing
>our 'great moments in collecting', those times when we get
>something we've always been looking for at a price far less
>than we should have had the seller known what he had.
It's maybe a bit off-topic, but the list did discuss Cabaret Voltaire
recently so... My only similar experience was around 1984, when I picked
up CV's 1974--1976 Industrial tape was a standard record store for about a
quid ($1.50). I guess they'd had it for years, couldn't sell it (not many
people know that it's very rare, desirable and worth a few bob) and were
just discounting it more and more.
Simon Hughes
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:54:24 +0100
It's a terribly anal way to start off my contribution to the 4AD list but
there you go...
KLF's "Chill Out" LP, original vinyl copy, excellent condition.....20 p.
About 18 months ago in a London bargain basement.
Cheers,
Snufkin ([email protected])
"'No blind spots in the leopard's eyes can only help to jeopardise the
lives of lambs,' the shepherd cries." (Wire, 1978)
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:16:17 -0500
Since there have been a few posts recently about ivory library, here's
the upcoming tour itinerary for those of you who'd like to check them
out. It'll be well worth your time & money.
June 1: Red Sea Minneapolis MN
June 10: O'Cayz Madison WI
June 15: Lili's 21 Detroit MI (tent)
June 16: The Squeeze Club Toronto ONT
June 17: Milestone's Rochester NY (tent)
June 19: Club Metronome Burlington VT (tent)
June 21: The Elvis Room Portsmouth NH
June 22: TT the Bear's Cambridge MA
June 23: The Elvis Room Portland ME
June 24: The Court Tavern Asbury Park NJ (tent)
June 25: The Saint New Brunswick NJ (tent)
June 26: CB's Gallery New York NY
July 12: 7th Street Entry Minneapolis MN
July 15: O'Cayz Madison WI
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:50:49 -0700
> > What is the extra track on the vinyl version of "Ocean Beach"??
> >
> The extra track is also on the CD version and appears to be a dreary jam
Wrong.
> Has anyone heard the RHP song included on the soundtrack to a movie coming
> out soon (i forgot the damn title)? For that matter, since I'm a sucker
> for any RHP material, does anyone know of other releases besides the 4
> albums out?
New movie? No, but I saw 'floundering' last night - the reason being
that I knew it had an RHP song in it - and it was a *complete* waste of time.
4 albums, 1 ep...
[email protected]
"He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:59:12 -0700
Iceblink writes:
>underlined the fact that they CAN write songs without
>the influence of drugs or technological trickery
There's ten times the technological trickery on 4CC than on "Garlands".
They're using a bit less of it than on prior releases, but that's not
intrinsically a good thing.
>and that she CAN write
>real lyrics that have meaning for HER and possibly others without sacrificing
>anything and without relying on her old habits.
As I've said before, the ironclad reason I have for hating her turn to
intelligible lyrics is that they are not _her_ lyrics. They are mostly just
platitudes recycled from "codependency", "recovery" self-help books. They do
not convey any original ideas, they just show the kind of psychobabble she's
been reading. If you think this is an exaggeration, just page through some of
those books at a store or library; I don't recommend you actually pay money
for them. It bothers me because there is no originality to getting your
answers verbatim out of a book; it's the therapeutic equivalent of listening
to Bon Jovi. If there's anything that ties together the artists we celebrate
on this list, it's their devotion to making new sounds and new ideas, things
that seem odd and alien at first but draw you in as much as they scare you.
That's exactly the reaction I had to "Head Over Heels" and "Lullabies", and
I'll never forget it. It's what the Cocteaux seem to have explicitly
repudiated in the last few years.
If it helps Liz's personal life to read these books and write these kinds of
lyrics, that's great for her. But there's no reason I have to like or admire
the lyrics for themselves.
Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Geometer _______ [email protected]
Zachary Taylor was a Barosaurus and, at 89 feet,
was possibly our longest President ever.
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:11:55 -0700
Matthew M. Montano writes:
>What ever happened to the obvious connection to Jean Cocteau, a french
>dream researcher? I don't remember when he did his work, but apparantly his
>work is well known in the field.
Jean Cocteau was a Surrealist avant garde poet/ filmmaker; he made the classic
film of "Beauty And The Beast" ("La Belle et la Bete") in the '30s(?).
The Surrealists did believe in the primacy of dreams and visionary
experiences, but they would have sneered at the term "researcher". They were
not interested in anything as orderly as research.
I'd like to think that Surrealism was a major influence on the Cocteau Twins,
but I don't know for sure. The most blatant user of Surrealism in the 4AD
roster was definitely the Pixies -- not only does "Debaser" mention by name
Dali and Bunuel's film "Un Chien d'Andalou", but the photography on their
albums (by that guy whose last name I can never spell) is very, very
Surrealist-inspired. Compare it with Man Ray's photography sometime.
Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Geometer _______ [email protected]
Zachary Taylor was a Barosaurus and, at 89 feet,
was possibly our longest President ever.
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:25:40 -0700
Jim asked me to post this to 4AD-L. Please reply to him at
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:18:13 -0700
Joe Friday a selection of 4AD artists; spring 1995 Promotion Only.
K9 (catalogue number)
Disappearing_.
Red House Painters "Long Distance Runaround" not available on the
CD _Ocean Beach_.
is what the information of the back of the 7" says.
It plays at 33 1/3. The artwork is different shots of the "electric
squash" (or neon turds as someone said) from the Mail Order #2
Postcard. Design: Vaughan Oliver at v23. Assistance: Kees Hubers.
shane | [email protected]
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:27:18 -0400
I have to admit it. Although I'm not a big Hank Rollins fan, he did get off
a good one on the Ol' Sanity Assassin when he said: "Peter Murphy will be
hosting next week, combing his hair, sucking in his cheekbones and dying of
malnutrition right here on 120 Mins..." Sorry to say, but it's Hankie: 1,
Dave
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:53:02 -0700
Someone asked for the tracklistings for the Revolver EPs
I'm selling. Here they are:
Cherish
Drowning Inside / Further Away
As before, $7 each.
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Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:33:55 -0700
hey 4ad-ers and dreampoppers!!
i was wondering if any of you know or have the discography of
moose? their stuff is so hard to find. my friend has "sonny of sam"
and it supposed to be a domestic release and i can't find that one
either! any help would be greatly appreciated!
thanks!