Subject: Re: this mortal coil
Subject: Re: Red House Painters
Subject: Re: Red House Painters
Subject: Re: verve/insides
Subject: Insides
Subject: Garlands error
Subject: Rare 4AD
Subject: Re: Garlands error
Subject: Re: Verve weenies
Subject: Re: Edward Kaspel
Subject: Re: this mortal coil
Subject: Re: Verve weenies
Subject: Re: Garlands error
Subject: Re: Garlands error
Subject: Re: Garlands error
Subject: Xymox errors
Subject: NEW CT EP INFO!!!!
Subject: Re: NEW CT EP INFO!!!!
Subject: Re: Trivia!
Subject: Re: Trivia!
Subject: Re: Trivia!
Subject: DCD / CT
Subject: The Unknown Cocteau Twins
Subject: CD's for sale. Sorry.
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 22:21:23 -0700
For starters there's the legendary Lonely Is An Eyesore
wooden box. Only 100 made. I know someone who has turned
down an offer of $2000. So that's the most coveted 4AD item.
Far, far below that, there are the early 7" singles.
I personally have seen the The The 7" advertised for over $50.
I suspect the 4 Axis singles would fetch this price or higher.
The Pepermint Pig 7" is pretty hard to come by. The first
poster set from around 1985-6 should be at least $100 by now
(I paid $80 several years ago). Other rare stuff: the
2 Dif Juz 12"s, the first 2 Wolfgang Press 12"s...
basically, if it's out of print, it'll get a moderate to high price.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 16:03:26 +0930
Casey" at May 18, 95 00:46:16 am
>
> Is anyone as huge a fan of RHP as I am? Been following them
> since release of "Down Colorful Hill" in 1992. Mark's songs
> have gotten less fuzzy over the course of 4 albums. Every
> song is a unique experience. What do you think of the latest release,
> "Ocean Beach"?
>
>
> -- "The hurting never ends, like birthdays and old friends.
> We forget, that this flesh, blood and bone is human." --
>
Well IMHO RHP are (were?) a very unique band ... I would have
to say they really got me back into listening to music ...
which I had given up on for a while due to the trash that
seemed to be coming out ...
What is the extra track on the vinyl version of "Ocean Beach"??
Tim.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 03:44:44 -0600
At 10:46 PM 5/17/95, James J Casey lighted this big fart...
i picked up the rollercoaster album after borrowing it from a faculty
friend at the prep school i went to in andover, mass. i eventually had to
have my own copy before i wore that one out (even on cd.) its hard for me
to decide whether i like that one or DCH better, but 'katy song' remains my
favorite song by them. ocean beach was kind of hard to get into, ive only
listened to it a few times after getting it a couple of weeks ago. my
standout tracks are 6 and 9, simply because they are true to rhp longsong
form in those tracks. i think their longest songs are the best. if anyone
is interested in purchasing their stuff but would like to read more about
it, i have a review i wrote of the rollercoaster album from when it came
out that goes more into detail.
another useless post from
-joanna-
who has finally caught up on 2 weeks worth of 4ad and 3 weeks worth of
ambient, and i must say, no offense to anyone involved, that that mail was
some of the more worthless email i have ever deleted. lets talk about the
music, eh?
though the krieslowski (sp im sure) filmography was nice. :)
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 01:59:47 -0700
On Wed, 17 May 1995, joanna wrote:
> my favorite band in the whole wide world.
>
> okay, enough of sounding like einexile
A valiant attempt indeed!
> i have an insides promo 12" GUP4 with a:skinned clean and b:further
> distractions. ive never heard it mentioned here in all the insides talk. is
> this like some rare slab of vinyl or something? picked mine up for $3.99
> used; its even got bpms on it! (112 and 116, respectively. :)
This is interesting...the 12" for Clear Skin was, if memory serves, three
versions of the same song. Further Distractions wasn't on it, was it? I'm
thinking that Further Distractions is one of the tracks on the 7" that
came in Euphoria, which I haven't got handy at the moment.
> oh, and also, im considering starting a verve list. any interest? mail me
> privately with suggestions, flames, ideas, delusions of grandeur or
> overkill, etc.
It's kind of a nice idea since Verve fanatics are spread very thin over a
lot of mailing lists and other thingies.
> smile, someone out there loves you. and who knows, it might even be me! :)
I think I'll bet against that! ;)
einexile, enemy of the people
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:10:29 +0100
95 01:59:47 am
vilexile Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:47:49 GMT
17 May 1995 16:10:00 -0700
brant wrote:
>If we're listing mistakes, don't forget the ones
>on the first Clan Of Xymox album and the Cocteau's
>Garlands (UK only). In each case, two song titles were switched.
I bought the vinyl Garlands when it was released in the UK. Which two song
titles were switched (I never knew this was the case)?
Simon Hughes
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:59:46 GMT
Brant wrote:
>The first
>poster set from around 1985-6 should be at least $100 by now
>(I paid $80 several years ago). Other rare stuff: the
>2 Dif Juz 12"s, the first 2 Wolfgang Press 12"s...
>basically, if it's out of print, it'll get a moderate to high price.
Hoop-la!! Anyone want to make offers on the 85-86 poster set, Huremics, or
those WP 12"s?!
Simon Hughes
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 04:17:48 -0700
> brant wrote:
>
> >If we're listing mistakes, don't forget the ones
> >on the first Clan Of Xymox album and the Cocteau's
> >Garlands (UK only). In each case, two song titles were switched.
>
> I bought the vinyl Garlands when it was released in the UK. Which two song
> titles were switched (I never knew this was the case)?
It's only on the CD. Two of the Peel Sessions, if memory serves.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:53:27 BST
digest processor on Thu, 18 May 1995 00:00:21 -0500)
einexile wrote:
[stuff about it being a shame if people can't get the first two
Verve eps anymore, which I concur with, deleted]
[he then quotes Ryan Ferguson's sig:]
>> "She bought the world, I paid the bills, I took those pills it was wind
>> in her sails, she climbed so high"
>
>Edward Kaspel?
I don't know who Kaspel is, but I ?think? this is part of the lyric from
"Superstar", isn't it?
According to bits of UK music press that I have read, the Verve are
pretty good mates with Oasis, and the brothers Gallagher have been
name-checking them quite a bit in their interviews, feeling they
deserve more support. So it is possible that they'll be getting
a bit more famous in the near future. I hope that doesn't upset
joanna, who wrote:
> verve is awesome. that is my contribution to that thread. i sincerely hope
> they are not going the oasis/stone posers stones-rip-off route like their
> english compatriates are.
I'd say all three of the bands will be or have been successful pretty
much by accident, and it is just how much their own music tastes
coincide with whatever is currently fashionable that determines
how popular they are. (And the fact that they are all pretty good
songwriters, obviously.) It could be that it is the Verve's turn
next, but I don't suppose it will effect their output that much. I hope.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:00:39 EDT
>
> einexile wrote:
> [stuff about it being a shame if people can't get the first two
> Verve eps anymore, which I concur with, deleted]
> [he then quotes Ryan Ferguson's sig:]
> >> "She bought the world, I paid the bills, I took those pills it
was wind> >> in her sails, she climbed so high"
> >
> >Edward Kaspel?
>
> I don't know who Kaspel is, but I ?think? this is part of the lyric from
> "Superstar"
>
In response to who Edward Kaspel is...he is the mind and voice
behind The Legendary Pink Dots and The Tear Garden. Plus he has a
fairly successful solo career. I highly recommend that you check
him out. I saw him on tour several years ago and he and his band
were awesome!!!!! His music his rather dark with some twisted
humor, but I really like it! A friend of mine is totally into
Kaspel, wrote to him (in Holland) and Kaspel wrote back. Can you
belive it? It was even a hand written note.
Holly
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:11:19 -0700
On Thu, 18 May 1995, Jason Bryant wrote:
> I didn't realize that this 12" was that hard to come by, or that expensive.
> Can someone list some other releases on 4AD, that fetch more than or around
> $50? With exceptions to Lilliput, 13 yr itch, and Nature Mortes.
>
Pretty much any original vinyl that has been deleted and was never
available in the US will fetch a high price as an import. This is, of
course, speaking of the US only... I'm sure you can find them much
cheaper in the UK.
Ivo
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:42:36 -0700
at one point, the tower records at The Lab in Costa Mesa had just about
all of the early (the) Verve singles - more than one copy of each. anyone
looking for them might call/check there.
from what i've heard, their new single is quite oasis-like and completely
lacks the brilliant production of past material. I guess they have chosen
a shot at fame over artistic integrity.
Kelly (who _doesn't_ hate Verve)
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 14:10:41 -0400
I believe the error with Garlands occurred with the Peel Sessions tracks
listed on CADC 211 and 211 CD. "Hearsay Please" and "Blind Dumb Deaf"
and "Hazel" were mixed up. I think the CORRECT order is "Dear Heart",
"Hazel", "Hearsay Please" and "Blind Dumb Deaf". I'm not certain, however,
since I don't actually HAVE the recording with me at the moment.
As far as I know, there were no errors made with the other formats or with
the track listing of the other songs. Of course, there may have been...
Mike
"Dead forest things are offered here, but I'm not..."
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 20:02:53 +0200
>brant wrote:
>
>>If we're listing mistakes, don't forget the ones
>>on the first Clan Of Xymox album and the Cocteau's
>>Garlands (UK only). In each case, two song titles were switched.
Simon wrote:
>
>I bought the vinyl Garlands when it was released in the UK. Which two song
>titles were switched (I never knew this was the case)?
Song titles switched on the UK 'Garlands' LP? The tracklist/order on the
cover is the same as on the label, and the same as on the tape and CD
I also bought my copy when it was released back in 1982. It has the labels
switched, and 'over' and 'this side' on the A-side label crossed out with a
black marker. Is that the 'mistake'?
And which titles are switched on the Xymox 'Clan Of Xymox ' LP?
Brant was also talking about values. Anyone who knows what an original 33
rpm test-pressing of the Cocteau Twins 'Victorialand' LP is worth these
days? (not that I intend to sell my copy. Just curious)
Frank
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 12:12:36 -0700
>> brant wrote:
>>
>> >If we're listing mistakes, don't forget the ones
>> >on the first Clan Of Xymox album and the Cocteau's
>> >Garlands (UK only). In each case, two song titles were switched.
>>
>> I bought the vinyl Garlands when it was released in the UK. Which two song
>> titles were switched (I never knew this was the case)?
>
>It's only on the CD. Two of the Peel Sessions, if memory serves.
I remember it from the cassette. It was "Blind Dumb Deaf" and another track,
both of them Peel Sessions. The "Blind Dumb Deaf" was obviously wrong since it
was a different mix of the album track. I lent the cass to a friend and never
got it back, but I have the cd now anyways.
-n
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 14:09:35 -0700
As ever your source of useless trivia,
the Clan Of Xymox error is with the CD of the
self-titled album. The remixes of "A Day" and "Stranger"
are switched. The vinyl does not have these tracks, so there is
no error. Same with the vinyl version of Garlands. It's the CD.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:47:11 -0500
YES! YES! It's really going to happen!! New CT stuff REAL SOON!!! Ok,
I'm trying to calm down...here's info straight from the CT web site,
directly from the mouth of Robin Guthrie:
"The first EP to be released this year is called Twinlights. It contains 4
acoustic tracks called Rilkean Heart, Golden-Vein, Pink Orange Red and Half
Gifts. The EP is suppose to come out sometime in July. Rilkean Heart and
Half-Gifts will also be on the next album, but will be radically different.
The next EP (unknown release date) will contain new versions of 'Feet Like
Fins' and 'Cherry Coloured Funk' along with two other songs from the new album."
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 19:13:11 -0400
YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAA!!!!!!!
A new acoustic version of "Pink Orange Red" should be UNBELIEVABLE. I wonder
how many tracks the new LP will have, if they're going to release 4 of them
on EP's? It would be nice to have a Cocteau Twins record with more than the
standard 10 tracks...
And in JULY....what a perfect birthday gift!
Mike
P.S. How does everyone like the new Durutti Column, "Sex and Death"? As usual,
I'm impressed...Vini is amazing.
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 19:52:35 -0400
>Also heard that 4AD was a play on the phrase "For A Day" which is usually how
>long a new label typically lasted back in the early 80's.
for some reason I thought 4AD stood for "forward"... does anyone else know
for sure?
r
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 19:53:42 -0400
>Also heard that 4AD was a play on the phrase "For A Day" which is usually how
>long a new label typically lasted back in the early 80's.
for some reason I thought 4AD stood for "forward"... does anyone else know
for sure?
I read in an article in some magazine (don't recall the title...but it was
British) article about the history of 4AD that 4AD originated with the phrase
1980-Forward. (1980 was when Axis Records became 4AD due to a copyright dis-
pute). 1980-Forward = 1984Ward = 4Ward = 4wArD = 4AD.
Mike
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:09:48 -0700
> I read in an article in some magazine (don't recall the title...but it was
> British) article about the history of 4AD that 4AD originated with the phrase
> 1980-Forward. (1980 was when Axis Records became 4AD due to a copyright dis-
> pute). 1980-Forward = 1984Ward = 4Ward = 4wArD = 4AD.
This is indeed the true origin of the name, as told to us by
Ivo himself. You can also see basically this same derivation
on the Modern English 'Swans On Glass' 7" single.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:13:03 -0800
>>I don't own anything by DCD and am looking for a place to start ...
>
>People have already suggested A Passage in Time, which is an okay sampler
>of their previous work. It's got its moments, but it omits many songs that
>are much better, IMO. My favorite non-compilation album is Within the
>Realm of a Dying Sun, which has three *great* songs by Brendan and four
>-=>***GREAT***<=- musical epics by Lisa.
>
>>Pretty much the same with CT, I own Blue Bell Knoll (alright, but it's
>>not one of my faves). How's Treasure? Any others you can recommend?
>
>Anyway, neither Treasure nor BBK are my favorites. That honor goes to
>Victorialand, which is basically (to my ears) a continuation of the
>fairy-tale landscape they composed at the end of Treasure, but they got rid
>of the drums and just went crazy with the texture and layers. I worship
>it.
The first albums I heard by DCD and CT were the self-titled DCD and Treasure,
respectively. Got them around the time I first got into "alternative" music
("alternative" wasn't a marketing tag yet then). As result they both have
strong sentimental ties for me, so I am biased. Still, trying to be
objective, I think they are great albums, and underrated.
Dead Can Dance's self-titled album is much different from anything else
they've done... more guitar, drums -- but it is NOT typical rock! Some
compare it to Joy Division, and while I think it goes way beyond derivation,
it might be a good comparison to work with for those who haven't hear early
DCD. These songs are simply other-worldly -- powerful, dense. Some of the
best tripping music in the world [so I hear ;)]
Treasure has a very unique sound and mood. I think it is in fact similar to
Sunburst and Snowblind / Head Over Heels.... quite a different animal from
the lovely Victorialand...
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