Subject: Re. throwing muses
Subject: Re: Re. throwing muses
Subject: Re: tim buckley
Subject: Re: not 4ad related but heck, it's the smiths!
Subject: Re: Cocteau Box Set
Subject: Re: FSOL & the Orb
Subject: CT box set fav
Subject: tim buckley/suicide
Subject: Reply to CT box set fav
Subject: Saint Etienne
Subject: dcd song to the sibyl catalan
Subject: Re: Verve weenies
Subject: Re: tim buckley
Subject: Re: hector zazou
Subject: Re: Belly EP
Subject: Re: Insides and related discography wanted.
Subject: Re: esp summer??
Subject: Kendra Smith postcards
Subject: Re: hector zazou
Subject: FRANK BLACK: HELP me with BIOGRAPHY project for school. NEED
Subject: Re: CT box set fav
Subject: Re: CT box set fav (eric estrada on 4ad)
Subject: Re: esp summer cassettes
Subject: Re: Gilbert & Lewis
Subject: Re: Gilbert & Lewis
Subject: what lycia don't want you to know
Subject: Re: Verve weenies
Subject: Re: tim buckley
Subject: verve/insides
Subject: Trivia!
Subject: CT box set and others
Subject: Re: esp summer cassettes
Subject: Re: Trivia!
Subject: Re: this mortal coil
Subject: Re: Trivia!
Subject: Red House Painters
Subject: Tindersticks tour US?
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 01:33:34 -0400
C.J. Pace writes:
>does anyone know if the throwing muses ep (i don't recall the name)
>with "finished" and "cry baby cry" and two other songs (i don't recall
>the names) is available on cd?
The e.p. is Chains Unchanged and, yes, it is available on CD: the
Japanese-release "12 Inch 87 Anthology" (CY 4415). I've seen this CD
floating about in several stores still. Shouldn't be too hard to find.
peace&love. Alfie
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Foote, Cone & Belding vox 2129077299 fax 2129077290
I honor the place in you in which the entire
universe dwells... I honor the place in you which is
of love, of truth, of light and of peace...
When you are in that place in you, and
I am in that place in me, we are ONE --Namaste
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 02:02:19 EDT
17 May 1995 01:33:34 -0400
> >does anyone know if the throwing muses ep (i don't recall the name)
> >with "finished" and "cry baby cry" and two other songs (i don't recall
> >the names) is available on cd?
>
> The e.p. is Chains Unchanged and, yes, it is available on CD: the
> Japanese-release "12 Inch 87 Anthology" (CY 4415). I've seen this CD
> floating about in several stores still. Shouldn't be too hard to find.
Splitting hairs, but it's _Chains_Changed_.
I found the disc rather difficult to locate, but it *is* still
in print from the Nipponese perspective, so any store that sells
Japanese imports should be able to deal with it.
The obligatory Tanya Track(tm :-), "Reel", is perhaps her best.
the other track ("Snailhead") was rerecorded sans-Tanya for a
"Firepile" EP b-side.
Anyone who is undecided about Throwing Muses should listen to this
EP. It's up there with the debut and _House_Tornado_, but for very
different reasons. (and _The_Fat_Skier_, too... :-)
BTW- No, "Cry Baby Cry" isn't a Beatles cover, although they do
cover that one on the "Not Too Soon" single.
--
Andrew Reynhout Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:19:21 +0100
May 16, 95 07:41:00 pm
Jacob Paul Leonard Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 04:26:11 -0400
>hahaha, the 4ad list accusing another list of being off the
topic...
>blah, blah, blah and so on!
You are wasting my mailbox space talking about this shit!
please stop...i'm asking nicely that everyone just get along
and stop starting fights.
PLEASE?!?!
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 04:30:27 -0400
>it's tiny dynamine, by the way.
Oh thanks! it's actually my girlfriends box set. I have'nt been
listening to them for long. But anyway...our tiny dynaMINE is
missing and i'm pissed!
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:27:33 +0100
95 11:53:08 am
vilexile Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 04:33:30 -0400
I just have a question. What is everyone's favorite CD in the
box set?
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 10:12:15 -0400
I thought Tim Buckley died of a heroine overdose. Then I would assume he
purposely O.D.ed. What a way to go!
C.J. Pace
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:15:52 -0500
17 May 95 04:33:30 EDT" <[email protected]>
> I just have a question. What is everyone's favorite CD in the
>box set?
Aikea-Guinea and that turquoise/grey cloudy one
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Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:21:17 BST
digest processor on Wed, 17 May 1995 00:00:17 -0500)
Michael Cheselka writes:
> So what is the list for St. Etienne, or web page?
I can't find a mailing list for the Etienne in the canonical list of such
things. (Do they have enough fans?) As far as web pages go, the only thing
I am aware of is their stuff within Sony's pages (the Heavenly label is
apparently a Sony concern). The URL is "http://www.sony.com/
Music/ArtistInfo/SaintEtienne_TigerBay.html", and gives a brief biography
of the band.
Well, we all know that *pop-fans* run the best pages because they *care*.
So unless anybody knows of any hard-to-find pages that offer such a
service already, I'll use some of my Web quota and do-what-has-to-be-done.
Below is a rather incomplete discography. Anybody who wants to provide me
with the missing information and other items of interest which would
sit prettily on an Etienne Web page, please do e-mail me. (Not 4ad-l,
unless you feel that everyone needs to know!)
On with the motley, and sorry for the bandwidth:
=========================
Saint Etienne discography
=========================
Let's kiss and make up* / ?
(* vocals by ? )
Only love can break your heart* / Filthy**
(* vocals by Moira Lambert (Faith Over Reason))
(** vocals by Q-Tee )
Nothing can stop us / Speedwell
This is Radio Etienne / Only love can break your heart* / Wilson /
Carnt sleep / Girl V / Spring / She's the one / Stoned to say the
least / Nothing can stop us / Etienne gonna die / London belongs
to me / Like the swallow / Dilworth's theme
Join our club / Join our club (Chemically friendly zoom mix) /
People get real / Scene `93
Avenue / Some place else / Paper / Johnny in the echo cafe
You're in a bad way / Archway people / California snow story / Duke duvet
Mario's cafe / Railway jam / Date with Spelman / Calico* / Avenue /
You're in a bad way / Memo to Pricey / Hobart paving / Leafhound /
Clock milk / Conchita Martinez / No rainbows for me /
Here come clown feet / Junk the morgue / Chicken soup
(* vocals by Q-Tee )
Hobart paving / Your head my voice (voix revirement)* /
Who do you think you are?** / Who do you think you are? (quex-rd)***
(* mix by Van Dyke Parks)
(** backing vocals by Debsey (Dolly Mixtures))
(*** mix by Aphex Twin)
? I don't know the track listing for this at all!
I was born on Christmas day* / My Christmas prayer / Snowplough / Peterloo
(* duet vocals by Tim Burgess (Charlatans))
HVN37 : "Pale Movie", 1994.
Pale movie* / Highgate Road incident
(* backing vocals by Debsey and Siobhan Brookes )
(was there anything else on larger formats than 7inch single?)
Urban clearway / Former lover* / Hug my soul** / Like a motorway /
On the shore*** / Marble lions / Pale movie*,** / Cool kids of death /
Western wind**** / Tankerville / The boy scouts of America
(* backing vocals by Debsey )
(** backing vocals by Siobhan Brookes )
(*** vocals by Shara Nelson )
(**** vocals by Stephen Duffy )
(***** lots of stars all in a row )
(just contained lots of remixes?)
Hug my soul* / Hate your drug / I buy American records
(* backing vocals by SIobhan Brookes)
(is this right?)
Loads of stuff by others on Bob Stanley's Icerink label, obviously.
Thankyou pop-kids,
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| Anthony. |
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Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:47:10 -0400
hello i am back again, your faithful dcd scribe. today i offer the long
promised original catalan version of song to the sibyl in the original
catalan language.
as i wrote last time:
this week's selection comes from the french import cd - cant de la sibil.la
by montserrat/capella/reial/jordi savall. on astree records E8705 from 1988.
this cd features three original versions of the song to the sibyll. included
on the cd are the latin, the provencale, and the catalan versions (of which
we will concern ourselves with the last one). the dcd version is about 10% of
the original 22m53s version. in the notes to the cd it reads that the catalan
version is the one which has lingered through time despite a ban imposed upon
it in the 16th century. it is one of the most ancient songs in the catalan
region, dating from the 10th century. in the 13thC the refrains of the sibyl
were began to to be sung in polyphony. The chant was performed mainly during
the feasts of christmas, but was also in some places, also performed during
holy week and particularly on good friday.
Listening again to this 20+minute version, it is very clear where the part
dcd sings comes in. i am providing the complete text to the chant in english,
rather than in latin, unlike i have done with original versions previously,
for i doubt few of you can read it. The chant is repeated a few times in the
20+min. version, however dcd does sing it all.
BTW dcd are extremely faithful to how this piece is supposed to be performed,
if this original cd is any indication.
so without further ado here we go.
Catalan Sibyl
Al jorn del Judici
parra` qui haura` fet servici.
Un rei vendra` perpetual
vestit de nostra carn mortal;
del cel vindra` tot certament
per fer del segle jutjament.
Ans que el Judici no sera`
un gran senyal se mostrara`:
lo sol perdra` lo resplendor,
la terra tremira` de por.
Apre`s se badara` molt fort
amostrant-se de greu conhort;
mostrar-se han ab crits i trons
les infernals confusions.
Del cel gran foc davallara`,
com a sofre molt pudira`;
la terra cremara` ab furor,
la gent haura` molt gran terror.
Apre`s sera` un fort senyal
d'un terratre`mol general;
les pedres per mig se rompran
i les muntanyes se fondran.
Llavors ningu' tindra` talent
d'or, riqueses ni argent,
esperant tots quina sera`
La sente`ncia que es dara`.
De morir seran tots sos talents,
esclafir-los han totes les dents;
no hi haura` home que no plor,
tot lo mo'n sera` en tristor.
Los puigs i plans seran iguals,
alli seran los bons i mals,
reis, ducs, comtes i barons,
que de llurs fets retran raons.
Apre`s vindra` terriblement
lo Fill de De'u omnipotent;
de morts i vius judicara`:
qui be' haura` fet alli es parra`.
Los infants qui nats no seran
dintre ses mares cridaran
i diran tots plorosament:
"Ajuda'ns, De'u omnipotent".
Mare de De'u, pregau per no's,
puix so'u mare de pecadors,
que bona sente`ncia hajam
i paradis possejam.
Vosaltres tots qui escoltau,
devotament a De'u pregau
de cor ab gran devocio',
que us porte a salvacio'.
well that was nearly impossible to type :)
hopefully i will have the original rimbaud pieces from zazou's album next
week. until then
todd sanders
all our movements are the air, the understanding
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 12:36:49 -0400
This is a quick note with reference to the question on whether THE Verve
would have to change the name on their older releases or not. Well
someone mentioned that they were having a hard time finding the older
releases and asked if this was the reason. No I'm sorry to tell you that
it is not the reason, the reason you can't find any of the band's older
material is that all of the singles have been deleted. Currently there
are only three or four Verve (whoops, The Verve) cd's available: A
Storm In Heaven, No Come Down, This is Music (single), and possible the
Verve E.P.. It is only a word.
Cheers,
Ryan
"She bought the world, I paid the bills, I took those pills it was wind
in her sails, she climbed so high"
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 12:56:49 -0400
Jacob Paul Leonard
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 18:57:09 +0100
How many different releases of the new Hector Zazou are there? I think
I may have heard on this list that there are two. Didn't the first
release come with lots of art postcards? The only release i have seen
seems to be the domestic one with a regular booklet. Is the first one
hard to find?
thanks,
jen
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:18:02 -0700
>
> It's your turn Ivo.
>
erg....
well, um.... the new Kendra Smith album is out...the cover is real
neat...it's got that organ that she plays all the time. I haven't heard
it, tho. I think the catalog number is CAD 5006? *shrug*
oh! also... speaking of mistakes...this is really insignificant, but ...
I have Gilbert/Lewis' album 8 Time (?) CAD 16 CD and the back of the case
lists 7 tracks while the cd actually has 8 tracks listed on it and plays
8 tracks.
ok, the end.
love, Ivo
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:20:30 -0700
The only other Insides release that is 4AD related that I know of is the
Clear Skin ep/single (TU 7). I guess this means it was a temporary
release on Guernica. It's one track, 40 minutes long, and it's real
pretty. Lotsa nice Xylophone and stuff. :)
Ivo
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 14:27:33 -0400
anyone have any luck yet getting this through The Record Collector in
Livonia, MI?????
if so, how about some reviews! -bbk
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 12:03:24 -0700
There is a set of three postcards to promote the new
Kendra Smith album. They were printed by Bruce Licher
at IPR, so they have that usual letterpress look.
As far as I know, he stuck to one color scheme this time.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:30:07 -0400
>How many different releases of the new Hector Zazou are there? I think
>I may have heard on this list that there are two. Didn't the first
>release come with lots of art postcards? The only release i have seen
>seems to be the domestic one with a regular booklet. Is the first one
>hard to find?
there are several here in pittsbvurgh for $30.00 each since they are imports
from holland. yes its a swell box set with postcards in french or dutch
perhaps
todd sanders
all our movements are the air the understanding
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:34:05 -0400
INFO!!
Hey Frank/Pixies Fans!
Help me with my history project! I am doing my biography project on my
idol, Frank Black (Black Francis, Charles Thompson [I think that's his last
name?]).
I need the following info/items...please help if you can, it will come back
to you someday. Please contribute! Hurry, it is due Friday May 26, 1995.
::Posters, Pictures
::Videos (interviews, music videos (Pixies and FB), documentaries, etc.)
::Interviews
::Music (tapes, CDs, etc.) besides the following:
Pixies::: Albums: Boss, Doolit, Surfer, TLeM, ConPilgrim
Frank Black::: Albums: FB, TotY, Black Session
::Any info regarding the formation of the Pixies, what Frank did before
the Pixies, where he grew up, etc. Just alot of background stuff.
Please contribute or help me get the needed info. Show your Frank enthusiasm!
email me if you can help.
Send stuff to:
Ben Garland
117 Covey Drive
Warner Robins, GA
31088
I am counting on all you Frank Black fans to help!
Thanks so much,
BEn
dont have a solid job and I get pennies for allowance. Please do this out
of the goodness of your heart.
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:59:00 EST
I just have a question. is eric your father?
> I just have a question. What is everyone's favorite CD in the
>box set?
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 17:35:24 -0400
merde! u beat me in asking him the same question, rex. :)
On Wed, 17 May 1995, rex c. arthur wrote:
> I just have a question. is eric your father?
>
> > I just have a question. What is everyone's favorite CD in the
> >box set?
>
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 23:56:55 +0200
>anyone have any luck yet getting this through The Record Collector in
>Livonia, MI?????
Hey, I have an order for some ESP and HNIA stuff ready here to be be send
off to Time Stereo/Record Collector. Are there any problems?
Please let me know.
Frank
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[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 23:56:27 +0200
>oh! also... speaking of mistakes...this is really insignificant, but ...
>I have Gilbert/Lewis' album 8 Time (?) CAD 16 CD and the back of the case
>lists 7 tracks while the cd actually has 8 tracks listed on it and plays
>8 tracks.
>
>ok, the end.
>
>love, Ivo
>
On the back of the case the second version of 'Barge Calm' (the 1st track on
the B-side of the '3R4' LP (CAD 16) and track 5 on the CD) has been omitted.
That's all.
The end?
Frank
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[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:10:00 -0700
If we're listing mistakes, don't forget the ones
on the first Clan Of Xymox album and the Cocteau's
Garlands (UK only). In each case, two song titles were switched.
brant
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:18:46 -0700
> B348234 LYCIA DAY IN THE SHARK CORNER
> $26.95 4AD 6/93 HOLLAND
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:56:57 -0700
On Wed, 17 May 1995, Ryan Ferguson wrote:
> the reason you can't find any of the band's older
> material is that all of the singles have been deleted.
!!!
> Currently there
> are only three or four Verve (whoops, The Verve) cd's available: A
> Storm In Heaven, No Come Down, This is Music (single), and possible the
> Verve E.P.. It is only a word.
This Is Musc...is this the new single or what? I've not heard of it
except that I don't remember the names of the new singles. By "The Verve
EP" you mean the domestic release that was kind of a cross between
Gravity Grave and She's a Superstar, yes? YARD CD1 as it were.
It's really as shame. Those singles are masterpieces and a lot of space
was wasted on No Come Down. By my count this leaves six songs
unavailable. Very nice artwork, too. I hope there isn't a connection to
the lawsuit. I remember having a hell of a time finding Gravity Grave and
She's a Superstar when I finally did get enough into the band to want
these.
"All in the Mind" is a tremendous song. Damned shame...
> "She bought the world, I paid the bills, I took those pills it was wind
> in her sails, she climbed so high"
Edward Kaspel?
einexile
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 12:40:55 -0500
No, he killed himself after he was born, after meeting Jeff once,
when his was ten or twelve.
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 19:48:51 -0600
verve is awesome. that is my contribution to that thread. i sincerely hope
they are not going the oasis/stone posers stones-rip-off route like their
english compatriates are. they have turned their initial pink floyd rip-off
into something original and pretty fucking great to boot, and id hate to
lose my favorite band in the whole wide world.
okay, enough of sounding like einexile, i have a question:
i have an insides promo 12" GUP4 with a:skinned clean and b:further
distractions. ive never heard it mentioned here in all the insides talk. is
this like some rare slab of vinyl or something? picked mine up for $3.99
used; its even got bpms on it! (112 and 116, respectively. :)
-joanna-
late for work cuz she wrote this post
oh, and also, im considering starting a verve list. any interest? mail me
privately with suggestions, flames, ideas, delusions of grandeur or
overkill, etc.
---
[email protected]
andover '94
smile, someone out there loves you. and who knows, it might even be me! :)
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 23:42:59 -0400
Alright...for all you afficionados et historians out there, just for fun:
What was the original name of the label started by Ivo-W R and Peter Kent we
now know eternally as 4AD? And *why* the change of name?
Answer in a couple of days. Hey, I'm pretty sure someone out there knows it
anyhow. :-)
peace&love. Alfie
---------------------------------------------
Alfonso Estrada = [email protected]
Foote, Cone & Belding vox 2129077299 fax 2129077290
I honor the place in you in which the entire
universe dwells... I honor the place in you which is
of love, of truth, of light and of peace...
When you are in that place in you, and
I am in that place in me, we are ONE --Namaste
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 23:42:53 -0400
Julie Estrada writes:
>Someone who lost their copy must have stolen it from me.
>I think I'll steal it back! haha!
That wretched, wretched thief. And, nay, that 'aint stealing!! Call it
claiming back what's rightfully yours! Oy.
And on another matter concerning the "Chains Unchanged" ep I wrote about a
couple of days back: four folks wrote me BC in response to that requesting
store info and perhaps even a small advance - you know who you folks are.
:-)
Believe me, I *wouldn't* have a problem picking up the CD for anybody who
really wanted it (I know that feeling all too well). The problem is it may
be quite some time before I muster up enough courage (and moolah) to venture
into a music shop again. I'll certainly be on the lookout for you folks the
next time I go out (perhaps in a month or two...sorry I've got other
expensive interests other than 4ad). However...if you wanna be a step ahead
of me, here's help in another form.
Last time I was "out there", I saw the Japanese compilation in these 3
Pier Platters, Hoboken NJ: (201) 795-9015 or (201) 795-4785;
Rockin' Rex, Yonkers NY: call information (914) 555-1212;
Tower Records @ Lincoln Center, NYC: call information (212) 555-1212;
Second Coming Records, NYC: call information (212) 555-1212.
Let yer fingers do da walkin' and good luck!
peace&love. Alfie...the OTHER Estrada
Unnecessary amusing postscript: Not too long ago, some AOLers were
privileged enough to sit in on a live chat forum with The Wolfgang Press. At
some point of the hour-long or so session, someone had bothered to ask them
"Do you guys do drugs and what kind?" to which they answered: "What kinds
have you got?"
Hee hee.
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Alfonso Estrada = [email protected]
Foote, Cone & Belding vox 2129077299 fax 2129077290
I honor the place in you in which the entire
universe dwells... I honor the place in you which is
of love, of truth, of light and of peace...
When you are in that place in you, and
I am in that place in me, we are ONE --Namaste
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:09:23 -0400
I've heard from some people on the 'net that hey have had trouble getting a
copy ... they've sent money, but no cassette. I called information, anf got
their number. I talked to someone there who said that he was currently out
of the cassettes, but the guy i need to talk to would be in tomorrow
(Thursday the 18th)... I'll try again then...will keep you all posted.
so... did anyone get a copy yet?
-bbk
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:01:06 -0500
the original name was Axis. why the change? I believe because some
other Axis complained. Or so sayeth _Lilliput_.
jason eugene
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:17:21 -0400
> has a copy of that purportedly ultra-rare Tones on Tail 12" from
way back in 82 or 83 on 4AD for 75 bucks, I believe.
Ouch!!
I didn't realize that this 12" was that hard to come by, or that expensive.
Can someone list some other releases on 4AD, that fetch more than or around
$50? With exceptions to Lilliput, 13 yr itch, and Nature Mortes.
Jason
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:10:25 -0400
It was called AXIS I believe...if memory serves correctly.
I also think that it was changed because there was already another label with
that name... not sure if it was another UK label or what.
Also heard that 4AD was a play on the phrase "For A Day" which is usually how
long a new label typically lasted back in the early 80's.
comments?
-bbk