Subject: Re: Ivo.
Subject: Re: Seefeel/Verve/AZ weenies
Subject: FSOL & the Orb
Subject: Cat's Miaow.
Subject: Re: so long
Subject: Cocteau Twins Boxed Set
Subject: EXCELLENT CD's AVAILABLE FOR TRADE
Subject: CT, Pink Opaque, Millemillenary
Subject: Re: FSOL & the Orb
Subject: Re: MBV List...& St Etienne
Subject: Re: so long SOLVED! The last word!
Subject: Re: Seefeel/Verve/AZ weenies
Subject: Re: 4AD e-mail
Subject: sometimes I find the nicest friends :)
Subject: Re: this mortal coil
Subject: Re: Verve weenies
Subject: FREE SHOW
Subject: Re: Belly EP
Subject: Re: Belly EP
Subject: Re: Dif Juz
Subject: tim buckley
Subject: Re: tim buckley
Subject: Insides and related discography wanted.
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:25:32 +0100
On a UK Tv programme last night about the Music Biz, Matt Johnson of The
The was talking about how he was constrained by his recording contract
and basically found it difficult to get out of or something. The
programme showed him opposite some guy with short hair and a meticulously
cut moustache. Were they talking about his contract with 4ad and was the
picture of Ivo W-R or am I seriously missing the plot.
I'm listening to Colorbox at the moment and can't really see where it
fits in with the rest of the artists on 4ad. I mean some of the tracks
are *nice* like Arena and Sleepwalker and the official world cup theme is
storming but some of it pure pap. It reminds me a bit of Animotion -
(you're my) obsession.
'H'y
(The Panda Thieves)
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 06:41:22 EDT
--- Jens wrote:
It's more complicated than that. If you have a trademark on a word, and you
let somebody else use that word not in connection with your product, without
stopping them or filing a lawsuit, you can lose your trademark since it will
be determined by the courts that the word has fallen into generic usage.
--- end of quoted material ---
Thank you for pointing this out, Jens. I was going to do it, but I was waiting
until I could remember a word that I could give as an example. However, now
that you've done it, I've come up with a great one: aspirin. Yes, aspirin was
originally a trademark which was lost in just the process Jens describes.
Look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me. So let's lay off Verve,
the label, and continue to call Verve, the band, Verve, too. It's not like they
had to change to The-band-formerly-known-as-Verve or something truly
awful.
Chris
--
Chris Schachte
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:35:06 +0100
Only marginally thislisty, but I know some people will be interested.
The new FSOL EP, "The Far Out Son of Lung and the Ramblings of a Madman"
came out yesterday - two tracks from the ISDN album (identical, as far
as I can tell, with the exception of a few added noises in the intro and
outro), and two new ones. Not really ambient at all, all four tracks
are pretty funky (that's the only word I can think of to describe it).
The Orb have also just released "Oxbow Lakes", the only track from the
recent LP which doesn't sound like the result of too much dope and not
enough thought. Mixes by Carl Craig, A Guy Called Gerald (UK's top
Jungle mixer), Sabres of Paradise (all three sound as you might expect
if you know these people, and are jolly good), and an instrumental
version which seems to have been arranged for strings by a group called
"instrumental". The last one sounds intriguing, but when you actually
listen to it it's the sort of pastiche classical music that gets put
into films.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // [email protected] // 16/05/95
On my walkman this morning : Radio 4 - Today
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:55:10 +1000
Hi Gert,
Gert de Jong
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:05:02 -0400
> >The GWAR-Cocteau Twins connection...
> >
> >-GWAR has been, at times, produced by Alain Jourgensen and Paul Barker
> >-Alain and Paul are members of a project called "Pigface"
> >-Trent Reznor was also a member of "Pigface"
> >-On Trent's album "Pretty Hate Machine" he both credits and samples
> > TMC
> >-Cocteau Twins were a part of TMC
> >
> >
> >Al and Paul were never really connected to Pigface.
>
Wasn't SImon Raymonde once in a band with one of the guys from the Thrill
Kill Kult called Drowning Craze? and TKK and Ministry have done tons of
stuff together, so that's another connection to GWAR.
Andy
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:34:32 -0400
Lullabies
Peppermint Pig
Sunburst & Snowblind
The Spangle Maker
Aikea Guinea
Echoes in a Shallow Bay
Tiny Dynamine
Love's Easy Tears
Iceblink Luck
Dials, Crushed, The High Monkey-Monk, Oomingmak
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:34:10 -0400
Here's the deal. I want to clean out my CD collection, but I need
to replace the old stuff with some fresh ones. I am looking for:
Ambient/Techno (FSOL, Seefeel, FAX label, Global Communications,
Orbital, Orb (New only), etc.), 4AD stuff, James/Eno, Acid Jazz,
Detroit House....
Instead of wasting bandwith, I left out descriptions. If you want
track listings, please let me know.
Get creative with your trades. Pick a single and a full length for
a worthwhile new CD. You can get the idea.
I'd prefer to trade for CD's but if you have nothing to trade, I'll
review cash offers.
Promotional Only Singles
------------------------
FYC - Drives Me Crazy (Promo CD 45-17720)
His Name is Alive - In Every Ford (PRO-CD 6069)
Echo & the Bunnymen - Bedbugs and Ballyhoo (PRO 2926)
Alphaville - Forever Young (PR 2465)
Import CDs
----------
Clan of Xymox - Medusa (CAD 613)
Recoil - Bloodline (Mute)*
His Name is Alive - Home is in Your Head (4AD/UK)
Laibach - Nova Akropola (MRED 67)*
Lush - Mad Love (BAD 0003)
Lush (BAD 0013)
Mighty Force - Hypnovel (Sub Base Hz 1CD)(Missing Booklet)*
Dramarama - Box Office Bomb (Rose 138 CD)*
Raving Mad - Elevate Compilation* (w/Messiah,FSOL,Smartees)*
The Neon Judgement - The First Judgement (BIAS 70)*
Big Life Library - Short Stories Vol. 1 (UK)
Underground Lovers - Leaves Me Blind (GU2)
Domestic CDs
------------
Blade Runner Soundtrack - New American Orchestra
Mercury Rev - Boces*
Ride - Carnival of Light+
Heidi Berry - Heidi Berry (Missing Back Art)
A Flock of Seagulls
Fishbone
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Mothers Milk
Floatsam and Jetsam - When the Storm Comes Down
Sister Machine Gun - Sins of the Flesh
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Superstition
Howard Jones - Dream into Action
Jesus Jones - Liquidizer
Miranda Sex Garden - Supira
Domestic Singles
----------------
Primal Scream - Come Together CD5
New Fast Automatic Daffodils - Big CD5
Iggy Pop - Living on the Edge of the Night CD5
Quadraphonia - Wave of the Future CD5
Revenge - Slave CD5
Single Gun Theory - Surrender CD5
Shakespeares Sister - Dirty Mind CD5
Veldt - Aphrodisiac
Tangerine Dream - Alphia Centurai
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
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Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 17:51:42 GMT
Michael S. Fischer wrote:
>I guess that would be the case if you consider _The Pink Opaque_ to be an
>album. It's more a compilation of selected tracks from other albums and
>EPs. It does have some standout tracks on it, however, including a better
>(IMHO) version of "Wax and Wane" than the one on _Garlands_, and, of
>course, "Millemillenary," which is to be found nowhere else.
Millemillenary is to be found, though only with difficulty I suspect, on
the "Dept. of Enjoyment" tape that was sold through the NME rag (UK music
paper).
Simon Hughes
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:53:08 -0700
On Tue, 16 May 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:
> Only marginally thislisty, but I know some people will be interested.
> The new FSOL EP, "The Far Out Son of Lung and the Ramblings of a Madman"
> came out yesterday - two tracks from the ISDN album (identical, as far
> as I can tell, with the exception of a few added noises in the intro and
> outro), and two new ones. Not really ambient at all, all four tracks
> are pretty funky (that's the only word I can think of to describe it).
How would you compare the ISDN tracks with the non-ISDN tracks? This is
disappointing. Not only was I under the impession that this was a long ep
full of new material, but I can't really stand ISDN for the most part. Is
the ep fairly uniform? Wasn't there supposed to be a new Amorphous record
sometime soon?
> The Orb have also just released "Oxbow Lakes", the only track from the
> recent LP which doesn't sound like the result of too much dope and not
> enough thought.
If I could find a copy of the new album that didn't skip all the way
through I would have to disagree with you here. I thought most of the
album was rather lovely, not nearly so random as the recent mini-album
(I have lost track of titles, can you tell?) and with a hell of a lot
more music woven through it. Sometimes the music even forms into patterns
that could in some primitive cultures be called songs...I am really
rather happy and surprised by it. They even took much of the obnoxious
stuff out of Valley and Plateau.
Any idea when the new Richard Kirk album is supposed to be released?
einexile
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:00:59 -0500
So what is the list for St. Etienne, or web page? I need to find
out how to join the fan club, so I can get the limited edition CD
of rare B-sides.
Thanks!
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:00:51 -0700
On Tue, 16 May 1995, Andrew Patrick Dolan wrote:
> > >The GWAR-Cocteau Twins connection...
> > >
> > >-GWAR has been, at times, produced by Alain Jourgensen and Paul Barker
> > >-Alain and Paul are members of a project called "Pigface"
> > >-Trent Reznor was also a member of "Pigface"
> > >-On Trent's album "Pretty Hate Machine" he both credits and samples
> > > TMC
> > >-Cocteau Twins were a part of TMC
> > >
> > >
> > >Al and Paul were never really connected to Pigface.
> >
> Wasn't SImon Raymonde once in a band with one of the guys from the Thrill
> Kill Kult called Drowning Craze? and TKK and Ministry have done tons of
> stuff together, so that's another connection to GWAR.
>
>
> Andy
Um..howzabout this?
GWAR <--> Al <--> Trent <--> P.Hate Machine <--> J.Fryer <--> Head O'er Heels
\
-> P.Hate Machine <--> Flood <--> TWP <--> Liz...
or try this one:
everyone <--> everybody else
einexile, who thinks he may have finally snared a succour...
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:10:51 -0700
On Tue, 16 May 1995, Christopher C. Schachte wrote:
> --- Jens wrote:
> It's more complicated than that. If you have a trademark on a word, and you
> let somebody else use that word not in connection with your product, without
> stopping them or filing a lawsuit, you can lose your trademark since it will
> be determined by the courts that the word has fallen into generic usage.
> --- end of quoted material ---
In music, do a label name and a band name count as being in the same
field? I mean if there was a kind of detergent called Verve, the label
would have no leg to stand on, from what I understand... Yes? No? Hmm? Hey?
> Look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me. So let's lay off Verve,
> the label, and continue to call Verve, the band, Verve, too. It's not like the
> had to change to The-band-formerly-known-as-Verve or something truly
> awful.
That's just the thing: is the change really great enough to prevent the
name from becoming a generic term? It remains essentially the same. Also,
will the band be made to alter their old releases, the artwork, etc?
I still think the label are weenies, but then the band throw chairs out of
windows and that's not very nice either.
e
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:18:53 -0500
>What more do you wanna know?
>
Does 4AD mail order have e-mail???
Well, this is my last post to this list in awhile. I'm done with
finals!!!! Just thought I'd thank you all for being so helpful and just
plain groovy. If anyone on the list needs to get in touch with me, I can
be reached at
W4607 Hwy 14-61
La Crosse, WI 54601
Phone 608-788-9793
You can also send personal e-mail. I'll be checking my e-mail somewhat
irregularly, which is why I don't want to stay subbed. If anyone hears
anything about Pale Saints Mrs. Dolphin for sale or trade, please let me
know!!!
Thanks all,
Eric E. Wittmershaus
[email protected]
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:00:32 -0700
My best friend's boyfriend (who works for 4AD in LA) gave me a copy of 13
Yr Itch for my birthday.... wow...wot a nice present :)
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:03:13 -0700
On Fri, 12 May 1995, j C j aubin wrote:
> would anyone happen to know how impossible it would be to find the
> Sixteen Days-Gathering Dust EP? I would kill for a copy.
>
Not too difficult, I should think. My friend picked up a copy for 8.99
last week (and got a few more bucks discounted cuz I knew the guy who
worked at the store where she bought it). This store, btw (Vinyl
Fetish), has a copy of that purportedly ultra-rare Tones on Tail 12" from
way back in 82 or 83 on 4AD for 75 bucks, I believe.
Ivo
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 18:13:39 -0500
---from a man called e (quoting Jens Alfke):
>> It's more complicated than that. If you have a trademark on a word,
>> and you let somebody else use that word not in connection with your
>> product, without stopping them or filing a lawsuit, you can lose your
>> trademark since it will be determined by the courts that the word has
>> fallen into generic usage.
>
> In music, do a label name and a band name count as being in the same
> field? I mean if there was a kind of detergent called Verve, the label
> would have no leg to stand on, from what I understand... Yes? No? Hmm?
Too true. Indeed, why not sue the company that puts out that cheap Verve
"parfum" stuff? Sorry, I don't buy it. (Not that my not buying it
matters, of course...)
>> Look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me. So let's lay
>> off Verve, the label, and continue to call Verve, the band, Verve,
>> too. It's not like they had to change to The-band-formerly-known-as-
>> Verve or something truly awful.
>
> That's just the thing: is the change really great enough to prevent the
> name from becoming a generic term? It remains essentially the same.
Also very true.
> Also, will the band be made to alter their old releases, the artwork,
> etc?
Shit! I hadn't thought about that! Is *that* why I've been having so
much trouble geting my hands on their older stuff that I still don't
have? Grrrrrr...stupid jazz fuckers... Of course, the irony here is
that I've always thought that Verve was a really stupid name for a band
(and The Verve is no better).
---Jeremy
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:23:57 -0700
FREE SHOW tonight
The Sugarplastic
A week from this Saturday:
Elysium plays at a coffee house in Glendale.
They're going to be the 'house band' that night
which means they'll be on for hours, and they plan
on doing every song they have. This is your chance
to hear the entire album released next month live!
A question: what Dif Juz track is included on the
Pleasantly Surprised compilation tape 'The Angels Are Coming' ?
and if someone has this tape please contact me.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 17:00:38 -0700
On Thu, 11 May 1995, Huite Rietveld wrote:
> Philip Locke
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 02:19:27 +0200
>On Thu, 11 May 1995, Huite Rietveld wrote:
>
>> Philip Locke
Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 02:26:03 +0200
>A question: what Dif Juz track is included on the
>Pleasantly Surprised compilation tape 'The Angels Are Coming' ?
>and if someone has this tape please contact me.
>
>Brant Nelson
I think it is 'Don't Worry'. which isn't on their full lenght Pleasantly
Surprised tape release by the way.
Frank
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Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:38:05 EDT
16 May 1995 00:01:01 CDT." <[email protected]>
Is this guy Jeff Buckley's father?
Matt