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Subject: CT albums
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 07:37:45 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: ...dress me up in Stussy...
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:29:36 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: kelly deal
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 05:26:01 -0400
From: Julie Estrada (SORTRADA@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: You wanted bad DCD and RHP lyrics? You got 'em!
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:48:36 -0500
From: Espen Sommer Eide (espens@ISL.UIT.NO)
Subject: Re: Liquorice 7" & Liz Fraser
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:31:11 -0700
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 11:01:11 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Belly EP
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:28:08 -0400
From: Philip Locke (PLBear@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: kelly deal
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:32:44 -0400
From: Philip Locke (PLBear@AOL.COM)
Subject: a favor...
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:43:58 -0400
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: dcd & oakely??/p.murphy lyrics
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:47:00 -0400
From: "Lisa R. Chong" (yku00471@YORKU.CA)
Subject: a question...
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:45:35 -0400
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Reply to Wire and Elastica
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:53:23 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: Tricky
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:22:52 BST
From: Yellow Submarine (ma3tjw@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: dcd & oakely??/p.murphy lyrics
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:32:06 -0600
From: Literati (literati@PRAIRIENET.ORG)
Subject: Due South
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:24:53 -0300
From: Yellow Submarine (ma3tjw@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: tweefest 95 updated!
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 11:34:22 -0400
From: Maura Smale (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wire and Elastica
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:32:55 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Interested in subscribing...
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 10:39:46 -0500
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Zazou related question(s)
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:09:01 +0100
From: Kevin Busby (busbykg@SUN1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: 4AD goes WWW
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:09:58 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Saint Etienne have not split
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:26:17 BST
From: Anthony John Bailey (baileya@CS.MAN.AC.UK)
Subject: The Verve
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 11:37:42 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:49:50 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: Liquorice 7", Liz Fraser & St. Etienne
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 20:46:19 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Reply to Wire and Elastica
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:52:30 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:09:53 -0600
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Verve/Sugarplastic
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:23:19 -0700
From: nelson@HELIOS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:38:09 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Reply to Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:03:13 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Delicious Monster
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:18:32 -0400
From: Tom Poston (TPoston@AOL.COM)
Subject: Rare Unrest 7"s wanted
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:56:30 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: MBV
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:08:39 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:12:48 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re[2]: Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:24:34 CST
From: Larry Koch (KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@CCMAIL.WORLDCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:55:44 -0600
From: Elaun (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: cranes recommedations
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:09:09 EDT
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 07:37:45 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: CT albums


my faves:
treasure- ( always be the essential 4AD 80's album from them)
Victorialand -( one day I hope opera singers will perform the tracks off this
, live ,its a recording  out on its own)
HOLV- (the honing and prefecting of the groove.. this swings at times)
4CC- (pure pop, distilling the celtic goth influnce into  pure pop....
hummable... an improtant consideration!)

the box of singles is also well worth it.. as there used to be a time when a
12' every few monthswas coming out  and it was pure bliss... one track held
enuff interest as awhole side of an album!

I just watched an old interview with them from 1984 treasure era... the spiky
hair ,. liz's eyes... ahhhhhh those were the days..... does anyone else find
Liz stunningly attractive?

ian/wpg


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:29:36 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: ...dress me up in Stussy...

              May 10, 95 01:17:00 pm

Jacob Paul Leonard  wrote:
>
> well I wouldn't say that far from the case...Tricky's song "Hell Is
> 'Round The Corner" is almost an exact copy of the last song on
> Portisheads' "Dummy".

I.e. they both use the same Ike Hayes sample as the basis for the music.
That's the problem with sample-based music, if someone else nicks the
same sample the result will sound very similar.  I understand there's
some argument as to whether Tricky or Geoff Barrows "found" the sample
first.

> Also ...Tricky just re-used two of the songs off of Massive Attacks
> "Protection" and put them on his album with him either rapping a little
> differently or having Martine sing instead...he turned "Karmacoma" into
> "Hell Is 'Round the Corner", and the first song off of "Maxinquaye" is
> another song off of "Protection" that I can't remember.  They do all
> have their subtle differences but, they do all sound pretty much the
> same...

"Overcome" is "Karmacoma" (though as it's Tricky's song, why shouldn't
he re-use it?), I hadn't spotted the other one.  Incidentally, Alison
(who sings on one of the other songs on "Maxinquaye", and has stood in
for Martine at live shows) also sings on Orbital's last album.  I must
say I don't like Tricky's album as much as Portishead's or
"Protection".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 11/05/95
On my walkman this morning : Orange Juice compilation.
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 05:26:01 -0400
From: Julie Estrada (SORTRADA@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: kelly deal


    some time back, kelley deal was charged with receiving
heroin via U.S. mail and plead innocent. Has anyone heard what
the outcome is??? please, if anyone has heard anything about
this case, let me know. i'd really hate for her to go to jail.


   sortrada@delphi.com


Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:48:36 -0500
From: Espen Sommer Eide (espens@ISL.UIT.NO)
Subject: Re: You wanted bad DCD and RHP lyrics? You got 'em!


Just a small correction (Details, details):


Robert Pietrusko writes:

>--------------------
>>From "Medicine Bottle":
>
>"...no more breath in the air
>or ladies underwear,
>tossed over the alarmclock..." [I hate it when that happens]

The first line should read: " no more breath in my hair" That makes more
sense, doesn't it? The lady not wearing underwear's breath....



- Espen (espens@hugin.isl.uit.no) "Quia ignoro adoro"
------------------------------------
"Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself (I am large, I
contain multitudes)." - Walt Whitman


Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:31:11 -0700
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Re: Liquorice 7" & Liz Fraser


I received my copy of the Liquorice 7" this past weekend.
[Interesting postcard-looking packaging with Frank Smith (Baltimore
Federals) silkscreened stamp, "cancelled" in Livonia 10.20.94]

First off, I'm happy that it's nothing like the Grenadine 7"
produced/recorded by you-know-who, but I must say it's not very
typically "4AD" either, except for maybe "Squawk Of The Town."

At what point in the song do you hear this Elizabeth Fraser sample?
I've listened to it many times and haven't heard her.

The only way I can describe the music of "Squawk Of The Town" is by
comparing it to the aural effect of an acid trip (no, I'm not
promoting drugs!), with it's wash of dubbing ether-like noise while
listening to The Pretenders' "Talk Of The Town" on an AM radio that
keeps fading in and out somewhere off in the background -- only this
version of "TALK Of The Town" is sung by Jenny (or rather Jennifer,
as she's named on this 7") Toomey.

"Stalls" and "Artifacts" is quite typically indiepop, more like the
quieter moments of Guernica/4AD Unrest. The guitars in "Stalls" even
remind me of The Sundays.  If you're a card carrying member of "The
Cult Of 4AD" circa first gloomy* decade, and you don't like pop,
well... I'll probably get the album when it comes out.


shane | shane@trex.org

*beautiful


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 11:01:11 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Slowdive EPs


Larry wrote:

>       >  "Slowdive" (the eponymous song, and two versions of "Avalyn") and
>       >  "Morningrise" are the first two EPs, and are absolutely essential
>       >  if you like Slowdive.  The third one, "Holding Our Breath", is less
>       >  good.
>       >  All three are on the compilation "Blue Day", except for the long
>       >  instrumental "Avalyn 2" and "Golden Hair" from the third EP (don't
>       >  know why these were left off, as there is plenty of room for them).
>
>       Yes - if you're going to compile non-album material, why not all of
>       it?

Erm, it's marketing isn't it?  As in "Let's get `em with Blue Day and then
we'll force `em to buy the other EPs for completeness".

Simon Hughes

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:28:08 -0400
From: Philip Locke (PLBear@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly EP


In response to Srilank's question about the new Belly EP:

I was talking to a guy in one of my favorite music stores a couple days ago,
and I asked him the same thing.  Here's what he told me:

1) There will be a US CD single for "Superconnected" (no word on extra
tracks).

2) The new UK release is a 3 (yes _three_) part single for "Seal My Fate."
 His understanding is that the first, due this week, contains "Seal My Fate"
plus 3 non-album tracks.  The second, due next week, contains "Seal My Fate"
(live) plus 3 live tracks.  The third, due the following week, contains "Seal
My Fate" (acoustic) plus 3 acoustic tracks.  There will be an _extremely_
limited version containing all 3 discs in a single package.

That's what I've heard...

--Phil
(plbear@aol.com)


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:32:44 -0400
From: Philip Locke (PLBear@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: kelly deal


Last I'd heard, the charges against Kelley had been dropped.  SOmething about
her supposedly not knowing what was in the package.

--phil
(plbear@aol.com)


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:43:58 -0400
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: a favor...


hi!

could someone please send me the address of the dreampop list?  i don't
want to subscribe, but i wanted to post a note about tweefest.

thanks!

maura

"i have broccoli in my socks"
mas5815@is2.nyu.edu

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:47:00 -0400
From: "Lisa R. Chong" (yku00471@YORKU.CA)
Subject: dcd & oakely??/p.murphy lyrics


i just read on a.m.a that dcd music was in a commercial for Oakley (those
thermonuclear sunglasses people, i think). First of all, when did this air,
and what song was it?

        also, in pete murphy's song "gliding like a whale," does anyone know
what he's saying when he sings "gliding like a whale/ in the ???? hotels"
??? That line is so weird, so i'm wondering what that word (words) is..


juuuust wondering,

Lisa.

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:45:35 -0400
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: a question...


hi again,

does anyone know of any places to get t-shirts made in nyc?  cheaper is
better, of course, and speed counts in this too.  if anyone has any info
please let me know!!!

thanks,
maura

"i have broccoli in my socks"
mas5815@is2.nyu.edu

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:53:23 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Wire and Elastica

              10 May 95 23:34:59 MDT" <2fb1949a0a83002@cdshub.cdc.com>

>Well, Wire is sort of thislisty.  Has anyone out there noticed the
>similarities between Elastica's "Connection" single and "Three Girl Rhumba"
>by Wire?  It's one of the most blatant rip-offs I've ever heard.  A friend
>of mine showed it to me the other day -- sick!!!

I read where Elastica have paid/are paying royalties to Wire
and the Stranglers.
And I owned Elastica's debut for, around 4 days...

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@aquarius1.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omoidashite yo"
-------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:22:52 BST
From: Yellow Submarine (ma3tjw@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Tricky


>       had any info on Tricky or Massive Attack...

Both cool I'd say, Ticky's album Maxamaque (or something like that)
Recently released "Overcome" and
                  "Black Steel" (cover of a Public Enemy song)

Massive Attack's older album "Blue Lines" (v. good I've heard)
and newer "Protection" which is brilliant, fairly recently
relesed from it "Sly", "Protection" and "Karmacoma".
Definately worth a listen (I reckon).
YS.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~l~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           ______|__            The Yellow Submarine
          ( o o o o )             ma3tjw@bath.ac.uk
           \_______/    http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ma3tjw/home.html

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:32:06 -0600
From: Literati (literati@PRAIRIENET.ORG)
Subject: Re: dcd & oakely??/p.murphy lyrics


>i just read on a.m.a that dcd music was in a commercial for Oakley (those
>thermonuclear sunglasses people, i think). First of all, when did this air,
>and what song was it?

Yeah, I see this every once in awhile. I first saw it about two years ago,
but I've seen it as recently as two months ago.

It's this weird post-apocalyptic thing, where this guy punches on a
computer, dons his Oakleys, and opens a door leading to this swirling
desert wasteland, all to the tune of "The Arrival and the Reunion."

Literati

 ____
//  \\ ()  Iffin' you really care for me, Don't comb your hair for me
\_/ // ()  Iffin' you want to make me weak and weepy,
   //      Then act real weird and wild and creepy        --Dame Darcy
  /                    -- literati@prairienet.org --

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:24:53 -0300
From: Yellow Submarine (ma3tjw@BATH.AC.UK)
Subject: Due South


Due South was screened in Britain a couple of days ago (and probably
yonks ago in America) I didn't get to see the end but was I right in
identifying The Cocteau Twins quite near the beginning? If so could
anybody tell me what track it was (or at least which album it was from)
Cheers,
YS.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~l~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           ______|__            The Yellow Submarine
          ( o o o o )             ma3tjw@bath.ac.uk
           \_______/    http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ma3tjw/home.html

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 11:34:22 -0400
From: Maura Smale (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: tweefest 95 updated!


hi all,

sorry about this; jumped the gun yesterday and forgot some info.

enjoy!

maura

---------

i just wanted to announce a fun fun fun concert in nyc sponsored by
indiepop@eskimo.com

tweefest '95!  twee as fuck!

the current list of bands stands as:

Magnetic Fields
Sleepyhead
The Mad Scene
Kickstand
The Legendary Jim Ruiz Group
Slow Children Playing
Racecar
Cobalt
Coloring Book

the show is on Saturday, May 20, 1995.  doors open at 7pm, and it's at
westbeth theatre music hall, located at 151 bank st. (1 block north of 11th
st. just west of hudson st.) in the west village.  tickets are $7 at the
door.  it's 18+.  we hope to have cool t-shirts for sale as well as some
other goodies.

so show up!  you know you want to!  all the twee you can eat!

for more info., email me!

thanks,
maura

"i have broccoli in my socks"
mas5815@is2.nyu.edu


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:32:55 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Wire and Elastica


You wrote:
>
>Well, Wire is sort of thislisty.  Has anyone out there noticed the
>similarities between Elastica's "Connection" single and "Three Girl Rhumba"
>by Wire?  It's one of the most blatant rip-offs I've ever heard.  A friend
>of mine showed it to me the other day -- sick!!!

I knew that Elastica "borrowed" a lot from Wire (great band, btw), but I hadn't
heard 'Pink Flag' (the album which 3Girl Rhumba is from) in a LONG time...so,
after reading this note I put the album on and I have to say that I am shocked
that anyone would be so damn blatant.  I knew there was a reason that I had to
admit the 'Connection' was a good song even if I didn't care for Elastica...

Grrr...

Rick

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 10:39:46 -0500
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Interested in subscribing...


Sorry to clutter up mailboxes, but I'd like to subscribe...

I also have a question:  Is the Dead Can Dance box set (1st five CDs) very
rare?  Estimates on its worth?  If this question is off-topic, I apologise...

Aaron

declerca@carleton.edu

"when you expect flutes, it's whistles..."


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:09:01 +0100
From: Kevin Busby (busbykg@SUN1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Zazou related question(s)

              "Jeremy L Orr" at May 6, 95 03:04:55 am

Jeremy L Orr wrote:-

> And now, MY Zazou-related question: Was a single ever released for HZ's
> "I'll Strangle You"?  I'd really like to hear some remixes of that, and
> I'd also like to possess it simply so I could sell _Sahara_Blue_, which
> sucks, for the most part.

Yes. It's listed in the Bel Canto discography at the following URL:-

I have a copy, and it's pleasant enough but not essential as far as I recall.
(For the record, I can't agree that 'Sahara Blue' "sucks"!).

Kevin

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:09:58 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: 4AD goes WWW


I got this from Cliff a month ago...sometimes they do write back:

>>From root Wed Apr 12 11:30:17 1995
>
>>Hi Cliff,
>>
>>found your Dec.-bulletin at the Play it again Sam -Site. I am curious if
>>4AD has something like a E-mail newsletter mailing list.
>>


>I've had problems with my server and haven't been able to send large mailouts
>for a while. However, we are very very close to having a 4AD WWW site.
>Hope this helps
>
>cliff


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:26:17 BST
From: Anthony John Bailey (baileya@CS.MAN.AC.UK)
Subject: Saint Etienne have not split


Nobody else seems to have reported this news from Wednesday's Melody
Maker, so I guess I shall have to. From the May 13 Melody Maker:
> Saint Etienne's Bob Stanley and Sarah Cracknell contacted The Maker
> this week to tell us about their future plans and to deny reports
> suggesting the group have split.

To summarise: the reports in the NME were incorrect. Sarah *does* intend
to release an album of her own material. Bob and Pete *are* working on a
project with three female vocalists. However, these projects are both
*in addition* to a forthcoming Saint Etienne ep with French singer
Etienne Daho, and a Saint Etienne album to be recorded at the end of
the year, both of which are Bob, Pete and Sarah as normal.

So it looks like we get the best of both worlds.

@*=-.,_,.--`'^'`--.,_,.--`'^'`--=*@@*=--`'^'`--.,_,.--`'^'`--.,_,.-=*@
|                              Anthony.                              |
@*=-.,_,.--`'^'`--.,_,.--`'^'`--=*@@*=--`'^'`--.,_,.--`'^'`--.,_,.-=*@

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 11:37:42 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: The Verve


I haven't really been following the thread on
The Verve, but I have the following info to offer:

Release Date: 20 June 1995
'A Northern Soul' on Vernon Yard Recordings
So It Goes / A Northern Soul / Brainstorm Interlude /
Drive You Home / History / No Knock On My Door / Life's An Ocean /
Stormy Clouds / Reprise

My initial reaction is very negative. A guy that sounds like
Bono from U2 singing tunes dripping with 'classic rock' and
hints of soul isn't something I need to keep. So if anyone
wants this advance tape, contact me.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:49:50 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


---from Simon Hughes (quoting Larry Koch (who was quoting someone else (I
just love parentheses within parentheses))):

> > >  "Slowdive" (the eponymous song, and two versions of "Avalyn") and
> > >  "Morningrise" are the first two EPs, and are absolutely essential
> > >  if you like Slowdive.  The third one, "Holding Our Breath", is less
> > >  good.
> > >  All three are on the compilation "Blue Day", except for the long
> > >  instrumental "Avalyn 2" and "Golden Hair" from the third EP (don't
> > >  know why these were left off, as there is plenty of room for them).
> >
> > Yes - if you're going to compile non-album material, why not all of
> > it?
>
> Erm, it's marketing isn't it?  As in "Let's get `em with Blue Day and then
> we'll force `em to buy the other EPs for completeness".

While this does happen far too often (especially from US major labels),
I've read interviews with Rachel Goswell that contradict this.

She said that "Golden Hair" was left off of _Blue_Day_ because of a legal
matter.  Apparently, when they decided to record it for the third EP,
they contacted Syd Barrett's estate directly, and they gave the
approval.  Then they changed their minds when they caught wind that the
song was about to be re-released on the comp.  Why is anyone's guess.  I
don't know if I believe the story, but that's the official line.

And yes, "Avalyn II" was left off because it's simply an instrumental
version of "Avalyn I".

Incidentally, I listened to _Just_for_a_Day_ last Sunday for the first
time in about a year.  I used to really love that album, but having since
heard _Souvlaki_ and _Pygmalion_, _JfaD_ sounds really weak in
comparison.  Most of the songs are pretty good, but the production is
pretty bad (the same reason I prefer the first two EPs way more than the
third).

And pardon my ignorance, but where did the word _Pygmalion_ come from,
anyway?

---Jeremy  Scattered, smothered, covered, and
                                    topped.

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 20:46:19 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Liquorice 7", Liz Fraser & St. Etienne


I've played the Liquorice 'Squawk Of The Town'  track a few times but I
don't hear any Liz Fraser samples? If the singer sound like Liz Frazer than
I sound like Frank Sinatra (in the good old days). I guess they just speeded
up the vocals. Try play it at 17 rpm.

Talking about Liquorice: it's spelled Liquorice in the USA and Licorice in
the rest of the world by the way. Part of their image?

I received the new white wax 7" by See Saw, 'My Stereo'  (on Simple
Machines, the same label the Liquorice 7" is on, so that's the
4AD-relation). You might remember that See Saw released a beautiful CD last
year, called 'And The Head Popped Off'. Well, this time the labels popped
off, it seems. Anybody who has a copy of with propper labels??

Frank B. (not S.)

P.S. So Saint Etienne have split! That's a pitty. They played great football
in the early eighties (as far as French football teams can be good at all).
See you in Vienna, May 24!
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Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:52:30 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Reply to Wire and Elastica


Actually, Elastica are paying money to Wire's and Strangler's publishing
companies. They have a bigger problem with the band's *ahem* tributes
than the actual bandmembers do. Perhaps it will interest more people in
the Stranglers and Wire, two very deserving bands, if their sound becomes
popular....or maybe not.

On Thu, 11 May 1995 kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM wrote:

> >Well, Wire is sort of thislisty.  Has anyone out there noticed the
> >similarities between Elastica's "Connection" single and "Three Girl Rhumba"
> >by Wire?  It's one of the most blatant rip-offs I've ever heard.  A friend
> >of mine showed it to me the other day -- sick!!!
>
> I read where Elastica have paid/are paying royalties to Wire
> and the Stranglers.
> And I owned Elastica's debut for, around 4 days...
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Kent J. Vanderwaal
> kjv@aquarius1.cim.cdc.com
> "gifted child, omoidashite yo"
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:09:53 -0600
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


>Incidentally, I listened to _Just_for_a_Day_ last Sunday for the first
>time in about a year.  I used to really love that album, but having since
>heard _Souvlaki_ and _Pygmalion_, _JfaD_ sounds really weak in
>comparison.  Most of the songs are pretty good, but the production is
>pretty bad (the same reason I prefer the first two EPs way more than the
>third).
>
I agree on JfaD.  Though I bought it around the same time I did Souvlaki (a
steal at $3.75!!!), I much prefer the latter two.

>And pardon my ignorance, but where did the word _Pygmalion_ come from,
>anyway?

Pygmalion is the name of an opera, I believe.  I've been know to be wrong
(it could be a play or a musical -- it's some stage production at any rate,
and a classic at that.)  Anyway, I'm sure some English or music major will
follow with a longer explanation.


Later,
Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:23:19 -0700
From: nelson@HELIOS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Verve/Sugarplastic


The Verve tape has been claimed.

brant


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:38:09 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


You wrote:
>

>And pardon my ignorance, but where did the word _Pygmalion_ come from,
>anyway?
>

it's from a greek myth, in which Pygmalion is a sculpture who creates
the most beautiful statue of his ideal woman... he falls in love with
it, has sex with it, etc. etc. and then one day   it comes
alive!!!! Your typical Greek love myth.

                                -satori-

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:03:13 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Slowdive EPs

              11 May 95 12:38:09 PDT" <2fb269192c35002@cdshub.cdc.com>

>>And pardon my ignorance, but where did the word _Pygmalion_ come from,
>>anyway?
>

>it's from a greek myth, in which Pygmalion is a sculpture who creates
>the most beautiful statue of his ideal woman... he falls in love with
>it, has sex with it, etc. etc. and then one day   it comes
>alive!!!! Your typical Greek love myth.

But even before the Greeks, it was a George Bernard Shaw play.

And he stole the idea from the musical, "My Fair Lady".


___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@aquarius1.cim.cdc.com
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Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:18:32 -0400
From: Tom Poston (TPoston@AOL.COM)
Subject: Delicious Monster


Hi...

Does anyone have any idea what has become of Delicious Monster? They put out
about an EP every couple of months for a while in 1993, then their album
"Joie de Vivre" came out a year and a half ago, and since then, they've just
vanished... Are they still around?

Tom
tposton@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:56:30 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Rare Unrest 7"s wanted


I am looking for the following Unrest 7's:

'VIbe Out'/'So Sick'  (TEENBEAT 98) concert freebie      Willing to pay $ 20,-
'Make Out Club Remix' (TEENBEAT 126)                      Willijng to pay $ 25,-

Please reply by private e-maIL.

Frank


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Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:08:39 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV


On Tue, 9 May 1995, Stop it James .. wrote:

>  umm I saw this in a mail order catalogue I received yesterday ...
>
>
>  My Bloody Valentine , The new record by ---- $50 (Australian)
>
>
>   Can anyone shed any light on the subject ??
>
  Well, I hope this helps.  Somebody over on the MBV list stated
this was a bootleg cd of a live performance in Osaka Japan that came out
shortly after "Loveless" was released.  I also heard it was a pre-Bilinda
album that came out that is only worth it for the true collectors.
Whatever that means.  Anyway, I hope this helps.

##############################################################################
Amber   ......broadcasting from the edge of the madding crowd......     Storm
Waves            Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu               In The
 Of                    "the most beautiful noise"                       Ocean
Noise                      my bloody valentine                           Sky
##############################################################################


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:12:48 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV


On Tue, 9 May 1995, Stop it James .. wrote:

>  umm I saw this in a mail order catalogue I received yesterday ...
>  My Bloody Valentine , The new record by ---- $50 (Australian)
>  Can anyone shed any light on the subject ??
> --
>
   Whoops, I forgot to ask, what catalog was this listed in?  I'd be real
curious to know......

##############################################################################
Amber   ......broadcasting from the edge of the madding crowd......     Storm
Waves            Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu               In The
 Of                    "the most beautiful noise"                       Ocean
Noise                      my bloody valentine                           Sky
##############################################################################

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:24:34 CST
From: Larry Koch (KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@CCMAIL.WORLDCOM.COM)
Subject: Re[2]: Slowdive EPs


     >  having since heard _Souvlaki_ and _Pygmalion_, _JfaD_ sounds really
     >  weak in comparison.  Most of the songs are pretty good, but the
     >  production is pretty bad (the same reason I prefer the first two
     >  EPs way more than the third).

     Having listened to JFAD again for the first time in ages as well, it
     sounded really, er...1991. The production on it is just like the third
     EP, only slicker and the guitar stands out a bit more here and there.
     Of course, that was when Neil was in his "I've got a Quadraverb and
     I'm gonna use it!" phase.

     [Pygmalion]

     ...but before George Bernard Shaw, it was a movie with Rex Harrison,
     Audrey Hepburn and the voice of Julie Andrews...

     Larry

        "The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of
                                     the face."


Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:55:44 -0600
From: Elaun (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


Actually, Pygmalion is the title to a play by George Bernard Shaw (so you
were close about the Opera bit).  He's one of them classic Irish
playwrights that many of us get to study in high school, although i
didn't study this play.  I did study Androcles and the Lion though ( and
of course I've seen a couple versions of Major Barbara - but hey!  What
do you expect from a Drama major?)

Cheerio, Shreddies, and all that stuff!

Elaun
(ecable@acs.ucalgary.ca)

ps  Every once in a while I *have* to listen to "Spanish Air" - I just
have to.

> >And pardon my ignorance, but where did the word _Pygmalion_ come from,
> >anyway?
>
> Pygmalion is the name of an opera, I believe.  I've been know to be wrong
> (it could be a play or a musical -- it's some stage production at any rate,
> and a classic at that.)  Anyway, I'm sure some English or music major will
> follow with a longer explanation.
>
>
> Later,
> Eric E. Wittmershaus
> eewittme@students.wisc.edu
> eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu
>

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:09:09 EDT
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: cranes recommedations


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

a while back, i heard 'wings of joy.' although i liked the overall
sound and texture, i was upset with the lack of melody. i was wondering
if subsequent releases solved this problem. any recommendations would
be much appreciated.

-bruce