Subject: verve, jazz, and i a humble shoegazer
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Subject: Tricky
Subject: Re: while we're not on the subject...
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Subject: Re: verve, jazz, and i a humble shoegazer
Subject: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Subject: Re: while we're not on the subject...
Subject: Bel Canto at TMV - festival (Trondheim)
Subject: Re: addresses
Subject: Re: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos
Subject: Re[2]: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Subject: Re[2]: addresses
Subject: FW: FW: laugh of the day
Subject: 4AD e-mail
Subject: Re: Re[2]: addresses
Subject: full of vinegar, piss, and ???'s
Subject: eric vs einexile
Subject: Re: cranes satre ep.
Subject: Re: Swirl
Subject: Re: Reply to Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Subject: Re: ...dress me up in Stussy...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: addresses
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Subject: Re: CT and DCD
Subject: A Message From Creation
Subject: _Trip Hop Test_
Subject: If you asked for The Sensualists...
Subject: Re[2]: addresses
Subject: Liquorice 7" & Liz Fraser
Subject: tweefest '95 in nyc!!!
Subject: Wire and Elastica
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 01:37:45 -0500
hey
i still call verve, verve and not the verve...i think with that pesky
article tacked on it loses something...like at that farce lollapalooza, yes
i went strictly for verve...ok geo clinton too...but i felt
more comfortable screaming "verve fucking rules...no come down...ahhhhh"
as opposed to an added "the" to lose its romantic flavorin...anyway
i must defend verve records because i do love jazz, i also love that kids inthe
e hall sketch....anyway...the point i'm trying to make is that jazz
is in fact dead and those folks are gonna need all the money they can get...
just think of verve records as a washed up child actor....as tom wolfe
put it "a great height to view the world from,...a great height from which to
fall" take pity on them, dont hate them...i guess i see why there's a ruckus
though, im still quite pissed about this london suede shit...
oh by the way someone unsubscribe my dumb ass...im going home for the summer
"come with me now...it's your time"
suede
bye
zhivago
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 00:43:17 -0500
--from Mike the Iceblinker:
> Speaking of Mispresses....
>
> Did anyone ever have anything odd occur with their CT Box Set? When I
> first got it, I popped in Peppermint Pig and out came some rapper
> yelling, "I like PUSSY!..." And I thought, "Well, this is obviously
> NOT Liz..." :)
Oh well, it was a nice story, even if it was a joke. :G) On a similar
theme, although not truly 4AD-related (of course, what recent threads
*have* been?)...
I bought a copy of Main's _Hydra-Calm_ CD for a friend about a year ago
from Parasol. Whenever it came, I took it right over to his place, and
he put it on. The first few seconds passed, and the music coming from
the speakers was decidedly different from that found on my disc of the
same album. Then a choir of children and adults..."okay, something is
obviously wrong here". It wasn't until we heard a rather choirboyish
voice ask "please sir, may I have another?" that we realized that the
soundtrack to the "Oliver!" musical had been mispressed onto the disc by
mistake. Not quite what we were expecting!
---Jeremy
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:47:20 PDT
> I know that there are quite a few Portishead fans on
> this list so I was wondering if anyone was a fan of, or
> had any info on Tricky or Massive Attack...both Tricky
> and Massive Attack are in the same "Trip-Hop" sounding
> vein as Portishead...I have a little bit of info but I
Tricky are quite reminiscent of Portishead, but I'd dare say better.
The album (name escapes me) was released domestically fairly recently
and it's on Island so it should be easy to find.
If you like P-head it's a pretty good bet you'll like Tricky. They
have the same extensive sampling at P-head. They even do one of the
same songs (complete with build in scratches and pops), revealing just
how much both versions owe to the original. The female vocals are
fairly similar, with a lot of variety from song to song--perhaps a
little less "character" with Tricky. They're even more
all-over-the-place stylistically (noisy, straight ahead, jazzy,
trippy, dancy, etc). They tend to sound a bit more hip-hoppy and a
lot less spy-movie sound-tracky/tacky then P-head. Great atmosphere.
I've listened to the disc a half dozen times and it's still growing on
me; a good sign. Definitely worth checking out.
zach
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 02:11:37 -0500
>Does anyone know anything about what The Lilac Time is up to? Or how
>about Bel Canto? I'd ask thislisty questions, but I've been gleaning my
>answers from just reading postings to this list.
I consider Bel Canto pretty thislisty myself. Anyway, they supposedly Bel
Canto have an album recorded and are just waiting to try to get the perfect
record contract. I think they could do quite well ($wise) but wonder why
they haven't. Is the public not ready for them? Did the record companies
underhype them? Who knows. All i know is that i WANT that new album.
-cz
___<<<<<<<<<*********[email protected]********>>>>>>>>>___
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our tears!" -Charles Baudelaire
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 03:15:24 -0400
When the CT box set came out domestically (US), I was
working in a
record store; we had a few returns because of incorrect
recordings.
You're not alone.
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 01:01:36 -0700
No disrespect, but if you think jazz is dead.... you should check your
head. Also, if you put 10 or 15 years of your blood and sweat into
establishing and running a respectable label, you'd probably be concerned
about someone coming in from leftfield and using your name right? That
said, the fact still remains you can call them what you want.:^)
Later, Brian.
On Wed, 10 May 1995, Bryan M wrote:
> hey
>
> i still call verve, verve and not the verve...i think with that pesky
> article tacked on it loses something...like at that farce lollapalooza, yes
> i went strictly for verve...ok geo clinton too...but i felt
> more comfortable screaming "verve fucking rules...no come down...ahhhhh"
> as opposed to an added "the" to lose its romantic flavorin...anyway
> i must defend verve records because i do love jazz, i also love that kids inth
> e hall sketch....anyway...the point i'm trying to make is that jazz
> is in fact dead and those folks are gonna need all the money they can get...
> just think of verve records as a washed up child actor....as tom wolfe
> put it "a great height to view the world from,...a great height from which to
> fall" take pity on them, dont hate them...i guess i see why there's a ruckus
> though, im still quite pissed about this london suede shit...
>
> oh by the way someone unsubscribe my dumb ass...im going home for the summer
>
>
> "come with me now...it's your time"
> suede
>
>
> bye
>
> zhivago
>
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:36:12 GMT
Literati wrote:
>This isn't even REMOTELY 4AD related, but I bought a Led Zeppelin tape once
>that only had a leader, no actual TAPE in it! I played it, and 5 seconds
>later, it stopped.
Jammy sod, you coulda hadda listen to Staircase to Heaven. A lot more than
5 seconds, I can tell you.
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 06:07:11 -0400
>you could of had a listen to staircase to heaven
>alot more than 5 seconds,i can tell you.
WHAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 09:23:35 -0600
Simon waved his big hair around and moaned:
>Literati wrote:
>
>>This isn't even REMOTELY 4AD related, but I bought a Led Zeppelin tape once
>>that only had a leader, no actual TAPE in it! I played it, and 5 seconds
>>later, it stopped.
>
>Jammy sod, you coulda hadda listen to Staircase to Heaven. A lot more than
>5 seconds, I can tell you.
Call it youthful indescretion. I didn't inhale, and all that...
Literati
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Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 10:52:00 EST
ahhhh. bel canto. a band that's not mentioned enough. well..... you could
check out their www address.
i think that there's some mention of a new album there.
>...of 4AD bands:
>
>Does anyone know anything about what The Lilac Time is up to? Or how
>about Bel Canto? I'd ask thislisty questions, but I've been gleaning my
>answers from just reading postings to this list.
>
>Thanks muchly!
>
>Elaun
>([email protected])
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:22:03 -0700
this is in response to elaun's question about bel canto, and this is really
surprising because i heard that anneli is pregnant! maybe she's pulling a
bjork (who was on stage even while 9 months pregnant). :)
take care,
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Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:34:53 +0200 (MET DST)
Hi all,
Last Wednesday our local newspaper printed an article about this summers
music festivals. They said that Bel Cantos new project "Music Channel"
will have its premiere (sp?) at the TMV - festival (Trondheim - Norway
June 5. - 10.)
They are going to perform together with israeli and palestine musicians.
-Thomas
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Norway "FORTY-TWO"
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:27:09 MET
-=- Vinny -=-
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:29:13 MET
Donald Chin
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:53:49 CST
Literati:
> This isn't even REMOTELY 4AD related, but I bought a Led Zeppelin
> tape once that only had a leader, no actual TAPE in it! I played
> it, and 5 seconds later, it stopped.
Still not 4AD-related...I once heard a Venezuelan pressing of Led Zep
II which had the intro to Black Dog (the scritchy-scratchy sound
before the singing starts) TWICE
L a r r y
"If you want to know what populism means, look in the dictionary."
-Pfft! Looking in a dictionary - that's *so* elitist!
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:48:36 CST
Vinny:
> postal (and/or Email) address for 4AD. I need this address for a
> project I have to do for school.
That sounds like a neat idea..."Today for my presentation I've brought
all my 4AD CDs and as you can see, I'm wearing my Cocteaux T-shirt"...
Huite:
> I doubt if they'll be replying. They never do.
Probably not. Why oh why are (smaller) record labels so bad at
answering mail? I've written to Creation and even Duophonic and
they've never replied. Only Flying Nun has ever had the decency to
write back - 2 fat envelopes full of cool stuff.
Larry
PS ook veel geluk
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:53:22 EDT
Thom" Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:23:57 -0500
I don't know if this is a well-guarded secret, if I was misinformed, or
what, but I saw an e-mail address for 4AD posted on www.
It is: [email protected]
Does anyone know who takes care of this? I wrote it twice, and once I got
a reply from some guy named Cliff W. Any additional info would be nice
(btw, guy doing the project for school, did that address work for you?)
Thanks a bunch,
Eric E. Wittmershaus
ee[email protected]
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:34:12 -0400
Well, I received email from Creation a couple of days ago. They acknowledged
the fact that I had sent mail to them before (actually, I sent mail to Slow-
dive), and explained that if I wanted to get placed on their mailing list
to receive regular updates as well as free merchandise, I had to send a
post card with my snail mail address on it to them in London. I don't have
their address, but it's listed on most Creation CD's.
Their email address is: [email protected]
Since My Bloody Valentine, Adorable, and now Slowdive are no longer on the
Creation roster, I don't much care for the label anyway. (And YES, I KNOW
Adorable simply disbanded...) And Ride are too far gone IMO to even listen
to anymore, except for some of Smile and a couple of tracks from Going Blank
Again.
Mike
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:59:12 -0400
Someone just has to know the answer to these inquiries:
1)Is the new Belly (uk) single for "Seal my Fate", and if so what's the cat.
#?
2)Did 4AD (uk) release The Glee Club's _Mine_, or was it on Setanta there,
and licensed to 4AD in the US?
3)How obscure, or rather, difficult is it to obtain MBV-_S/T_ US release on
vinyl?
4)I saw yesterday, a Frank Black release entitled _the Black Sessions_, which
was *suprise* in a black jewel case, with a 'Made in Holland' sticker on it.
I'm assuming that this is his last release to be affiliated with 4AD, and
elektra, yes?
Jason
[email protected]
"Rutherford B. Hayes, a Triceratops, was 87 feet long
and was just damn near our longest president ever."
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 20:33:57 +0200
>>Yes, this is a big joke. You're a real fucking funny guy. First a
>>cowardly accusation buried in a tongue in cheek statement, then a
>>flippant anti-apology because you haven't the guts to actually apologize
>>like a normal, reasonable person who has just maligned (pretended not to
>>malign, whatever) someone they don't know. Why don't you take your advice
>>and your sorry apology and get on your horse and ride the hell out of
>>town? I'm sure this list has nothing to gain from your presence.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>> einexile
>
>Listen, for Christsake! I learned my fucking lesson about sticking my nose
>in where it's not fucking wanted about an hour ago. I hope you do the same
>(maybe you won't have to get flamed from someone just waiting for you to
>screw up before she tries to eat you the fuck alive). For your (and
>everyone else who's listening) fucking information, I'd already sent a
>personal apology to *k-j* apologizing for jumping the gun, etc. In fact, I
>received her reply before I received your batch of daily insults. If you
>don't believe me, then that's too fucking bad for you. Now get off my ass
>and go back to your fights with the rekkidstore guys. Maybe I shouldn't
>have said that, but I believe I have the right to after what you've put me
>through.
>
>Like I said, I learned my lesson about jumping to conclusions. I hope you
>learned yours.
Both of you: Is this the style here or what?
To einexile: Actually I got more information out of Erics` letters than from
your daily insults....so I am quite sure whose presence is needed here!
Maybe you should look out for a different mailing list or open up one, like:
alt.misc.rude
To Eric: Next time, just be more careful. You apologized and I guess that is
just fine...pobably the last word has to be spoken by *k-j*.
Thanks for taking time to read this statement,
Matthias.
"Accident in puncto, quod non speratur in anno."
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:24:04 -0700
>the reason why this hasn't been released isn't really the cranes'
fault,
>but actually they're waiting for copyright premission from the estate
of
>jean-paul sartre. i guess we can hope to see it this summer....
yeah, i heard it was supposed to be released around the time "loved"
was but..... WASN"T! i hope they do get permission....
i mean, Alison speaking french!! it doesn't get much better :)
thank you.
-robert.
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:17:08 -0700
>on this topic has also mentioned "that voice" as a fault of Swirl.
One
>person recommended them, however, and I'd probably buy "Unicorn" if
>anything, supposed to be the most "professional of their albums."
Btw,
>ironically enough, they're on the Dirt label.
>
thanks for the info. i'll try to check them out! who knows, if the
music is good, it could overpower his voice.:)
-robert.
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:21:35 -0700
You wrote:
>
>>what do you think of "Ardor"....
>>just wondering, i think it is as
>>beautiful as the first! others aren't
>>so impressed...
>
>I have Idylls and Ardour and to me they are
>indistinguisib... indistinguisable... the same.
>Maybe after listening to them alot more they
>will sound dissimilar, but since I bought them
>close together (in time)...
that could be why (close together) that they sound similar to you! i
bought both when each came out and by time Ardor came out, it struck as
moving in a totally differnt direction... before that they always
struck me as sort of "ethnic" i'm not even sure if that's it the word.
but now it seems alot more... i don't know! just something different,
like the use of English for one thing hehe :) both are still great
albums though.
-robert.
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:17:00 M
>Well, some info on Tricky would include that he hates being termed
>"trip-hop"!
>
>I suppose I can see a case for lumping them together simply as a means of
>presenting them as bands who are attempting something different, but that
>gets twisted around to mean that they're all doing the same thing (as each
>other) which is far from the case.
well I wouldn't say that far from the case...Tricky's
song "Hell Is 'Round The Corner" is almost an exact
copy of the last song on Portisheads' "Dummy". Also
...Tricky just re-used two of the songs off of Massive
Attacks "Protection" and put them on his album with him
either rapping a little differently or having Martine
sing instead...he turned "Karmacoma" into "Hell Is 'Round
the Corner", and the first song off of "Maxinquaye" is
another song off of "Protection" that I can't remember.
They do all have their subtle differences but, they do
all sound pretty much the same...
-Jacob Paul Leonard
...I was a girl too...
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:53:25 -0700
> Huite:
> > I doubt if they'll be replying. They never do.
>
> Probably not. Why oh why are (smaller) record labels so bad at
> answering mail? I've written to Creation and even Duophonic and
> they've never replied. Only Flying Nun has ever had the decency
to
> write back - 2 fat envelopes full of cool stuff.
yeah some are nice.
everytime i write Sam from BTFABG/projekt he writes me back, with
long letters too! Also, before "of these Reminders" came out he sent me
the art proofs for it! a nice guy indeed.
-robert.
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 14:27:20 -0600
What do I think of the new LSD? NOt as good as the first. I sampled it
at a local record store and while their were some interesting pieces
there, it was nothing like the first one "Idylls". Oh well, I guess we
can just explain it as the usual sophomore effort jinx.
On Tue, 9 May 1995,
Robert Pietrusko wrote:
> > W I L L Y O U F A D E
> >
> >
>
> " .... and i grow dizzy...."
>
> what do you think of "Ardor"....
> just wondering, i think it is as
> beautiful as the first! others aren't
> so impressed...
>
> -robert.
>
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Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:22:58 -0400
I know I'm getting to this rather late, but with ... hell, you all don't care.
Anyway, King of the Monsters!
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 18:11:47 -0600
It's funny you should have asked for Creation's new address. A friend of
mine forwarded this info to me mere days ago. I hope it helps.
Regards,
Elaun
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Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 19:50:42 EDT
I like my copy a lot, but I stole it so I didn't have any high expectations
of it to earn out the money I spent on it. Overall, it's a LOT more
techno influenced than Portishead and not terribly listy. Most of the
songs are faster and less jazzy than Portishead and Massive Attack.
That said, the Portishead remix of Paul Weller's "Wild Wood" so
incredibly good that I like it better than most of the songs on _Sour_!
The St. Etienne song is also quite good, with the vocalist from "Calico"
and a Jah-Wobble-by-way-of-the-Orb sample. Skylab's "Seashell"
and Tranquility Bass's "They Came in Peace" are moderately listy by
way of their noise level, slowness, jazzyness, melodic content, and
general weirdness, I suppose, but the rest of the album is pretty
much slightly slow acid techno/house with moderate breakbeats.
That said, some of that is mighty good too, if you're into it.
Specifically check out the The Dust Brothers' (now known as the
Chemical Brothers instead of The Dust Brothers UK after some legal
hassle with the original hiphop Dust Brothers of Beasties fame) song,
"My Mercury Mouth," Step Disk's "Boing Dragon," and The Crystal
Method's "Dubiliscious Groove. Overall, since I don't know your taste
(Jacob Paul Leonard, the man with three first names), I'd recommend
that you listen to it before purchasing, if possible.
Chris
--
Chris Schachte
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 18:42:50 -0600
...be prepared to get a CD from another one of my favorite local Calgary
bands known as Lemonjade. The Sensualists CD's, Lovesongs of Chaos and
Desire, were mailed out (to everyone who asked for a copy for their campus
station) a few weeks back so they should be arriving now. Please let me know
when you receive (received?) your copy (and what you thought of the album).
The Lemonjade CD will be mailed out next week (after the much famed MusicWest
festival is over).
If anyone else knows of campus radio stations that play good
pop/electronic music let me know and we'll add you to our ever growing
mailing list.
For anyone else who is interested in getting copies for yourself let me
know and I'll get back to you with prices.
Thanks,
Elaun
([email protected])
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 23:11:11 -0400
> Vinny:
> > postal (and/or Email) address for 4AD. I need this address for a
> > project I have to do for school.
>
> That sounds like a neat idea..."Today for my presentation I've brought
> all my 4AD CDs and as you can see, I'm wearing my Cocteaux T-shirt"...
>
> Huite:
> > I doubt if they'll be replying. They never do.
>
> Probably not. Why oh why are (smaller) record labels so bad at
> answering mail? I've written to Creation and even Duophonic and
> they've never replied. Only Flying Nun has ever had the decency to
> write back - 2 fat envelopes full of cool stuff.
>
> Larry
>
> PS ook veel geluk
I once wrote a letter to the LA 4AD office and actually got a postcard
back... so maybe not all hope is lost.
r
rebecca fagan: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 23:06:49 -0400
Has anyone else out there managed to get a copy of the Liquorice 7" on the
Simple Machines label?
It features 3 songs, "Stalls", "Artifacts", and "Squawk of the town".
The last town has what appears to be a 'sample' of Elizabeth Fraser. It is
unmistakeably Liz, and since there is no credit to her doing baking vocals on
the 45 sleeve, i can only assume these vocals are sampled. However, I cannot
place which song it is they are sampled from.
It is, nonetheless, a very beautiful song... for those of you who haven't
heard Liquorice yet, you're in for a treat!!
"from the flagstones"...
-BBK