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Subject: Re: v23 etc
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:34:51 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:50:28 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:59:36 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:04:45 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Sorry!
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 01:12:46 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 23:25:50 -0700
From: illusory k (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Sorry!
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:17:54 -0700
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: sylviansax
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 02:38:26 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: addresses
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:13:48 GMT-1DFT
From: -=- Vinny -=- (V.BOS@HSBOS.NL)
Subject: ON MY FUCKING HORSE ALREADY
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 03:33:44 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Sorry, again.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 03:37:11 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:59:48 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@ACSLINK.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:59:01 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Comparisons
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 11:14:43 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: MBV
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 20:27:34 +0930
From: "Stop it James .." (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Swirl
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:19:59 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: IPR, umm, H.Zazou again, etc etc
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 04:57:51 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:59:00 -0400
From: Philip Locke (PLBear@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: new albums qs & bitching
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:28:48 -0400
From: Lance (lance@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: MUSIC & kieslowski
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:37:12 -0400
From: Lance (lance@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:43:46 -0400
From: Lance (lance@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: Kryzysztof Kieslowski
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:29:53 MDT
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music---> ???
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:34:38 -0400
From: "Lisa R. Chong" (yku00471@YORKU.CA)
Subject: COLOURBOX Samples List v0.32
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:52:58 -0400
From: Kent Lundberg (klund@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Innocence Mission
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:09:38 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re Verve
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 11:39:46 -0400
From: Ryan Ferguson (ferguson@NETACCESS.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: sylviansax
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:41:20 -0600
From: BIGstirringofbirdsEYES (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music---> ???
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:07:23 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:36:07 +0100
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Papa's Gun show
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:41:16 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:45:15 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:56:13 -0600
From: BIGstirringofbirdsEYES (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: ...dress me up in Stussy...
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:14:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:30:06 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:28:43 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:00:50 CST
From: Larry Koch (KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@CCMAIL.WORLDCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:15:03 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swirl
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:32:10 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:53:21 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:19:22 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:01:28 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Swirl
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:14:31 -0600
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: FW: FW: laugh of the day
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:37:07 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGW.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Those @W@#(*&$@(#*& UNSUBSCRIBE messages!
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:09:34 EDT
From: "(Gay Church)" (LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:47:25 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:41:29 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: flame week
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:52:50 -0800
From: Vance Gloster on Tue, May 9, 1995 5:02 AM
Subject: Reply to Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:00:43 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:53:16 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@SCOOTER.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Reply to Swirl
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:44:28 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:18:50 CDT
From: Jonny Quest (jonnyq@DATATEK.COM)
Subject: cranes satre ep.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:17:44 -0600
From: BIGstirringofbirdsEYES (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:56:33 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: V23
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:07:44 -0400
From: Carolyn Hughes (Pandaura@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 21:49:28 -0500
From: Literati (literati@PRAIRIENET.ORG)
Subject: Re: THE Verve
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:54:23 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: ...dress me up in Stussy...
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 00:01:46 -0400
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: For Sam Leung!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 23:05:16 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: while we're not on the subject...
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:10:14 -0600
From: Elaun (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:34:51 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 etc


---from Thom Heileson:

> I've posted this to both lists, and was going to suggest to those on
> 4AD who _aren't_ too annoyed yet with top-10 lists in general, to post
> their top 10 record cover designs (not necessarily 4AD) --- then I
> thought, why not both lists? I'm interested to compare!

Very well, then.  It looks like no one else is going to bite, but I
thought this was interesting, so...

Mind you, my only criteria was "Is there anything I can think of that
would have made this a better cover?"  Valid or not, these are the
results...

v23 covers
----------
Heidi Berry: _Love_*
Cocteau Twins: _Tiny_Dynamine_
Dead Can Dance: _The_Serpent's_Egg_
His Name is Alive: _Livonia_, _Home_is_in_Your_Head_
Red House Painters: _Down_Colourful_Hill_
Throwing Muses: _House_Tornado_**
Ultra Vivid Scene: _Joy_1967-1990_, "Blood and Thunder"
     *not the cassette!
     **not the crappy American cover!

non-v23 covers
--------------
Bettie Serveert: _Palomine_
808 State: _90_
My Bloody Valentine: _Tremolo_, _Loveless_
New Order: _Brotherhood_*
O Yuki Conjugate: _Equator_
Scritti Politti: _Cupid_&_Psyche_85_, _Provision_
Sonic Youth: _Daydream_Nation_
Wild Swans: _Bringing_Home_the_Ashes_
     * specifically, the original Factory CD

I actually dislike a few things mentioned on this list, so I am not
endorsing the music to be found within any of these albums.  You know, in
case anyone cares...  :G)

---Jeremy  "I wouldn't have to be so arrogant if
                                    everybody else wasn't so stupid!"
                                    (Me trying to explain something to my
                                    mother yesterday)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:50:28 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Her Royal Tweeness


What *has* happened to that most twee personage *k-j*? Has she moved
to the state that is shaped like a mitten? Has her computer
disappeared? I'm starting to get a bit worried, here, I must say.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:59:36 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness


>What *has* happened to that most twee personage *k-j*? Has she moved
>to the state that is shaped like a mitten? Has her computer
>disappeared? I'm starting to get a bit worried, here, I must say.
>
>--
>(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Wow!!! Sounds like some 4AD-Lers may have been swindeled (????), not to say
that was the case (Being a rookie on this list, I don't have enough
background on "esp-gate" to say so), but it may be a good idea to exercise
a bit more caution.

Concerned for fans of great music everywhere,

Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:04:45 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness

              9 May 1995 00:59:36 -0500

King of the Monsters!  writes:

> Wow!!! Sounds like some 4AD-Lers may have been swindeled (????), not to say
> that was the case (Being a rookie on this list, I don't have enough
> background on "esp-gate" to say so), but it may be a good idea to exercise
> a bit more caution.

Nononono, that's not what I was getting at at all. *k-j* is a totally
fab person. I was worried about *her*, not about some lousy money.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 01:12:46 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Sorry!


>King of the Monsters!  writes:
>
>> Wow!!! Sounds like some 4AD-Lers may have been swindeled (????), not to say
>> that was the case (Being a rookie on this list, I don't have enough
>> background on "esp-gate" to say so), but it may be a good idea to exercise
>> a bit more caution.
>
>Nononono, that's not what I was getting at at all. *k-j* is a totally
>fab person. I was worried about *her*, not about some lousy money.

Whoops!!!  Hope her royal tweeness doesn't throw me in the slave pits!
Sorry *k-J*!
>

Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu


Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 23:25:50 -0700
From: illusory k (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness


> > Wow!!! Sounds like some 4AD-Lers may have been swindeled (????), not to say
> > that was the case (Being a rookie on this list, I don't have enough
> > background on "esp-gate" to say so), but it may be a good idea to exercise
> > a bit more caution.

  swindled, eh? no. her royal tweeness has a royal f'ing cold. wanna know
  what else? huh? since people are sketching out, i might as well go off
  on a tangent...

  i'm combatting a virus worse than mono that i've purportedly had for
  6 or 7 yrs., i'm stressing out so much over family & school & friends
  & a relationship-in-the-making that my normal level stomach problems
  have worsened over the week {if you lived *here*, you'd be sick all the
  time, too}, i'm a chauffeur...a maid...a babysitter...and a punching
  bag..NOT JOBS, mind you. these are all family obligations. i also have
  a life to keep together when i'm not running around sending esp money
  out to MI {WHICH I HAVE DONE. NO ONE'S BEEN CHEATED. THAT WOULD BE
  PRETTY FUCKING STUPID...} or deleting an entire day's worth of e-mail
  out of my mailbox. and yet, i have other things i am currently
  working on AND i'm trying to get things in order to move at the end of
  june..plus i have ab-day on saturday and a vacation i *have* to take
  the following weekend.

  if you write me privately, i'm sorry. sometimes i do not get around
  to reading it or replying to it all. if you haven't received snail
  mail from me, i again apologize. it's still coming. it's just that
  i have to beg for stamps..or hide the ones i have...or have to make
  an excuse to go out and mail something. just have a bit more patience.
  the orders are out in MI. from there, the tapes will be sent to you.

  now that i've lost absolutely all control of my mind, flame away...

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 00:17:54 -0700
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Sorry!


On Tue, 9 May 1995, King of the Monsters! wrote:

> >King of the Monsters!  writes:
> >
> >> Wow!!! Sounds like some 4AD-Lers may have been swindeled (????), not to say
> >> that was the case (Being a rookie on this list, I don't have enough
> >> background on "esp-gate" to say so), but it may be a good idea to exercise
> >> a bit more caution.
> >
> >Nononono, that's not what I was getting at at all. *k-j* is a totally
> >fab person. I was worried about *her*, not about some lousy money.
>
> Whoops!!!  Hope her royal tweeness doesn't throw me in the slave pits!
> Sorry *k-J*!

Yes, this is a big joke. You're a real fucking funny guy. First a
cowardly accusation buried in a tongue in cheek statement, then a
flippant anti-apology because you haven't the guts to actually apologize
like a normal, reasonable person who has just maligned (pretended not to
malign, whatever) someone they don't know. Why don't you take your advice
and your sorry apology and get on your horse and ride the hell out of
town? I'm sure this list has nothing to gain from your presence.

Thank you.


 einexile


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 02:38:26 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: sylviansax


On Mon, 8 May 1995, Elaun wrote:

> I agree that the quality of the horn player does have its effect on the
> output of the album, but come on.  Branford is a great sax player - just
> not the type for a David Sylvian guest appearance (ie. you are compairing
> apples to bananas here).
That's what I meant.
>
> Personally, I do not find any of the horns on any of the Sylvian works
> offensive in any way.
And so is that.

Martin

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:13:48 GMT-1DFT
From: -=- Vinny -=- (V.BOS@HSBOS.NL)
Subject: addresses


Hi,

I have been mostly lurking on this list, but now I have a question
for you all:
    - Does anyone of you have the postal (and/or Email) address for
        4AD. I need this address for a project I have to do for
        school. It is a project about the history of 4AD, what 4AD
        stands for now, why they contracted the artists they have now,
        etc.

If you can help me with this, please send me the information!

Thanks,
Vincent.

              <<<------------------------------------>>>
                Vincent Bos             v.bos@hsbos.nl
              <<<------------------------------------>>>
                      Well I know you're lonely
                         Hiding in your cave
                   The world is coming down on you
                  You don't know where you're going
                          You feel so unsafe
               The thought of leaving peers right thru
                        Get yourself together
                       And walk that scary mile
                  'Cause just to see you laugh again
                     Would make it all worthwhile

                 Sjako! - The Big Five-Headed Dragon
              <<<------------------------------------>>>


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 03:33:44 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: ON MY FUCKING HORSE ALREADY


>On Tue, 9 May 1995, King of the Monsters! wrote:
>
>> >King of the Monsters!  writes:
>> >
>> >> Wow!!! Sounds like some 4AD-Lers may have been swindeled (????), not
>>to say
>> >> that was the case (Being a rookie on this list, I don't have enough
>> >> background on "esp-gate" to say so), but it may be a good idea to exercise
>> >> a bit more caution.
>> >
>> >Nononono, that's not what I was getting at at all. *k-j* is a totally
>> >fab person. I was worried about *her*, not about some lousy money.
>>
>> Whoops!!!  Hope her royal tweeness doesn't throw me in the slave pits!
>> Sorry *k-J*!
>
>Yes, this is a big joke. You're a real fucking funny guy. First a
>cowardly accusation buried in a tongue in cheek statement, then a
>flippant anti-apology because you haven't the guts to actually apologize
>like a normal, reasonable person who has just maligned (pretended not to
>malign, whatever) someone they don't know. Why don't you take your advice
>and your sorry apology and get on your horse and ride the hell out of
>town? I'm sure this list has nothing to gain from your presence.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
> einexile

Listen, for Christsake!  I learned my fucking lesson about sticking my nose
in where it's not fucking wanted about an hour ago.  I hope you do the same
(maybe you won't have to get flamed from someone just waiting for you to
screw up before she tries to eat you the fuck alive).  For your (and
everyone else who's listening) fucking information, I'd already sent a
personal apology to *k-j* apologizing for jumping the gun, etc.  In fact, I
received her reply before I received your batch of daily insults.  If you
don't believe me, then that's too fucking bad for you.  Now get off my ass
and go back to your fights with the rekkidstore guys.  Maybe I shouldn't
have said that, but I believe I have the right to after what you've put me
through.

Like I said, I learned my lesson about jumping to conclusions.  I hope you
learned yours.

A real person with problems of his own to worry about,

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 03:37:11 -0500
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Sorry, again.


>
>
>Apparently, you didn't get my apologetic message before you replied so
>I'll say once again.  I'M REALLY REALLY REALLY SORRY!!!! PLEASE DON'T TAKE
>MY SUGGESTION PERSONALLY!!!!  I was merely concerned for some of the
>4AD-Lers.  I realized after I sent it that I may have been too harsh, but
>once a message has been sent, there's really nothing I can do but
>apologize.
>
>As for your bout with illness, good luck.  If it's worse than mono, I
>really sympathize with you.  I was out with mono for about a month
>immediately following my graduation from high school.  Well, I'm writing a
>paper, due tomorrow, so I've got to go.
>
>Once again, sorry if I offended you.  I didn't mean anything personal.
>You don't need to mail me back if you don't have time.  I just thought I'd
>send you a personal message to show that I really mean I'm sorry and to
>hopefully ease the sting of my hastily-made suggestion.
>
>A man who really wishes you could cancel e-mail messages,

And in case any of you don't believe me.  Here's a copy of the letter I
sent to *k-j*.  If this list has nothing to gain from me, maybe I will pack
up and leave for a while.  I certainly don't need three-hundred plus people
waiting to pounce on my back the moment I fuck up.

Good night,

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:59:48 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@ACSLINK.NET.AU)
Subject: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos


Hi

I saw that there was a new album by Lori Carson. Is this the same Lori Carson
who is in the Golden Palominos? If she is the same, what does the album sound
like. I can't remember the name of the album. I have the last two albums by
the Golden Palominos. That is all I have by them. I quite enjoy their style
of music. Someone told me that The Golden Palominos have been around for a
while. Does anyone know what their earlier material sound like?

Thanks

Donald

+---------------------------------------------------------+
|                       Donald Chin                       |
|            Internet: donaldc@acslink.net.au             |
+---------------------------------------------------------+

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:59:01 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music

              5, 95 04:28:19 pm

Robert Pietrusko  wrote:
[Quoting Moi:]
> >I can't think why you would want it - the double-CD edition was simply
> >the standard UK "Souvlaki" in one of those double-CD standard-width
> >boxes, with the CD of "Blue Day" on the back of the tray.  No extra
> >artwork, or anything.
>
> serious?  oh well.  i guess it doesn't matter now! hehe.... i thought
> there would be more to it!!! i guess i don't need it after all! thanks
> for saving me time.

There is one very important difference in the artwork - the catalogue
number has an "x" after it, which obviously makes it extremely valuable
and desireable.


Robert Pietrusko  wrote:
>
> that's odd... because i was in a local shop yesterday and i saw a Verve
> CD that i had never seen before, so i asked the guy if it was the new
> one and he replied with a "umm, well yeah." guess not though.

There's a new Verve single out now, I have no idea of the title.  Don't
you Americans have to call them The London Verve UK or something
similar?

A visit to Oxford & Berwick Streets in the Smoke yielded the Forbidden
Planet soundtrack and an All Saints compilation which some people may
find interesting - it has two tracks each by Roger Eno, Budd &
Partridge, Channel Light Vessel, Bill Nelson and Kate St John, plus
three by Brian Eno - all the BE tracks are exclusive to the compilation
(from Derek Jarman's "Glitterbug"), the KstJ ones are "initial mixes",
both BN's are from an album, and the other three artists contribute one
exclusive track each - the Budd and Partridge one sounds like just
Harry and his magic piano, which is very pretty.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 09/05/95
On my walkman this morning : Fugazi - In on the Kill Taker
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 11:14:43 +0100
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Comparisons


I got a cd single by Goya Dress. I got it cause a label on it put there
by the record store said ' sounds like Throwing Muses but better'. Now
there's a challenge I thought to myself. I've only listened to it once
and IMHO I think TM have nothing to worry about.  A similar thing
happened with Veruca Salt comparisons to The Breeders. Has anyone out
there heard the album.

I got the Cocteau Twins 4AD forgotten tracks CD at a record fair. I know
this is just a compilation of B sides. I was just wondering if anyone
knew how it came about. Also, I see there is a bootleg compilation of The
Pixies b-sides. How widely available is this.

How long does it take stuff to arrive from the 4ad mail order (to UK
addresses)?

'H'y
(The Panda Thieves)


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 20:27:34 +0930
From: "Stop it James .." (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: MBV

              Orr" at May 9, 95 00:34:51 am

 umm I saw this in a mail order catalogue I received yesterday ...


 My Bloody Valentine , The new record by ---- $50 (Australian)


  Can anyone shed any light on the subject ??
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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:19:59 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Swirl


 Swirl sounds a lot more like MBV with upfront female vocals than the
goups named.  Last Unicorn's title song (3 parts) is good and sums them
up fairly well.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 04:57:51 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: IPR, umm, H.Zazou again, etc etc


The local record store finally has the Half String and Scenic CDs in.
I really like that package design for the half string mini album.
So the question is.. is there a way to reach Brandon Capps or an IPR
(Independent Project Records) person by phone? I'm sure their
shipping rates have gone since up the last cat. I have.
Also, is it too late to get info on their rare stuff auction?
I've been meaning to write for the info and finally have a bit of time.

I listened to the new Hector Zazou release in the store today,
the domestic version from Columbia, _Songs from the Cold Seas_
and I thought, hmm some of this is very good, some of this
yucky dancy stuff may take getting used to. There are slow
electronic (with very a digital sound, ie. odd waveforms, digital editing)
ambient pieces, like the beautiful one Bjork sings on, and the
dancy ones, that are also very electronic sounding.
So the question is... is the import worth ~$30 with the cards
and all, compared to the domestic ~$16 without all that?

Thanks for everything,
sincerely,
-nick


ps. is anyone listening to Morning Ed. on NPR now?
There's a piece on what may be the new, hip music scene of
tomorrow, Champagne-Urbana, Ill. they talk a bit to
Lynn Canfield, of M7X, who credits the scene to the competive,
serious people who go to school there, with some M7X in the
background. they also talk to their manager I think.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:59:00 -0400
From: Philip Locke (PLBear@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos


Donald Chin writes:
> I saw that there was a new album by Lori Carson.
> Is this the same Lori Carson who is in the Golden
> Palominos? If she is the same, what does the album
> sound like.

Yes, Lori Carson has a new album, _Where It Goes_, and yes, she's the same
Lori Carson from the Golden Palominos.  This is actually here second solo
album.  The first, _Shelter_, came out about 5 years ago, before her work
with the Palominos.

Her solo stuff is much more acoustic and mellow than the stuff with the
Palominos.  I think both of the solo albums are _wonderful_.

> Someone told me that The Golden Palominos have
> been around for a while. Does anyone know what their
> earlier material sound like?

Yeah, they've been around for quite a while.  Their earlier material really
covers a broad range of styles from mellow & acoustic to noisy & electric.
 Much of the earlier stuff features Syd Straw on vocals, with Michael Stipe
showing up for a few songs here and there.  There's a great 2-disc set called
_Thundering Herd_ which compiles the best (IMO) of the earlier work.

--Phil
(plbear@aol.com)


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:28:48 -0400
From: Lance (lance@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: new albums qs & bitching


>> Same with Verve. I know a single was due a while back but I don't see it
>> for sale anywhere (not that I would) or discussed anywhere, and I thought
>> the album was supposed to be out by this point.
>
>Someone on the UK-Indie list posted recently saying that the new album is
>called _A_Northern_Soul_ (great name, guys), and due out in the UK on
>July 3.  It's in the new releases section in the new AP as well, but as
>usual, it doesn't list a specific date.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

V E R V E..................

Got it on Sunday...4.8.95.......as far as I know it is ONLY on vinyl...VERY
HEAVY and at the end of "THIS IS MUSIC" you feel like your drowning in a
whirlpool of guitars and richards layering of vocals...2 listens and I was
absolutley hooked...can't wait for the cd...(july 1st release date)...

the last song on the rec is an acoustic very rolling stones-esque (circa
1969-73)..song that sometimes makes you wonder if it is richard singing at
all...alot of the heavy effects have been taken off of his voice....

good luck finding it....!






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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:37:12 -0400
From: Lance (lance@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: MUSIC & kieslowski


>even better is the music to kieslowski's 'the double life of veronique'.
>it's gorgeous!  ....a great film as well....


Have you ever seen "All the Mornings of the World" ...about the
celloist...the soundtrack is a must...




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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:43:46 -0400
From: Lance (lance@MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music


>There's a new Verve single out now, I have no idea of the title.  Don't
>you Americans have to call them The London Verve UK or something
>similar?
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Indeed!      W E  C A L L  T H E M  G O D !!!




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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:29:53 MDT
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Re: Kryzysztof Kieslowski

              May 8, 95 6:31 pm

Martin wrote [some text omitted]:

> So could you maybe explain it to poor doofy me? [i.e., the movie White.]

   Well, I can try. Here goes,
   I think you gave a good plot synopsis and all that was missing was
the connection the director was making with the color white and the
intense, intense human emotions displayed by the characters.
   If I recall correctly, White is the color of liberty, and much of the
film deals with liberty. For instance, the liberty to kill oneself, to
make a living from crime or ruthless land deals, the liberty to travel
freely and the liberty to love and to be loved. The director is pointing
out several instances of our liberty which we either take for granted or
misuse to line our own pockets at the expense of other people.
   I think the ending was extremely sad, I cried anyway. The protaganist
has finally achieved what he wanted, he has forced his ex-wife to love
him again, he has finally (ecstatically) sexually satisfied her, and he
has exacted his revenge against her previous humiliations. However, the
cost, the cost, the cost. Now she is utterly and eternally in love with
him, but he has caused her to be locked away in prison forever. He has
her love, but through his revenge he has permanently locked it away from
himself. Again, the themes of love and liberty.
   Anyway, that's my attempt to briefly explain the movie. I hope you'll
give it another chance someday.
--
Dave Gingerich
daveg@fred.den.mmc.com

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:34:38 -0400
From: "Lisa R. Chong" (yku00471@YORKU.CA)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music---> ???

              Ancient Krell Music" (May  9,  9:43am)

just wondering what/who "ancient krell music" refers to. because there's some
band called "krell" who, i think, are sort of gothic-ish. They played at this
thing at cbgb's a week or so ago (with four or five other mostly goth bands).
Or is "krell" some new term i've never heard of before?

danke!
Lisa.
who is also wondering what the heck a "huuvola" is.  Holly?? anyone? anyone?

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:52:58 -0400
From: Kent Lundberg (klund@MIT.EDU)
Subject: COLOURBOX Samples List v0.32


COLOURBOX Samples List v0.32
============================
Songs listed in album order.  Albums listed in reverse cronological
order.  This list is now kept at http://web.mit.edu/klund/www/cbox.txt.
Samples listed in order, but only for the first time they are used.
Times in brackets are the location of the sample in the source movie.

Maintained by Kent Lundberg, who did a 4AD Radio Show, Mondays at 10pm,
1987-1988 on KSPB, Pebble Beach 91.9FM, and who would really like to
hear from anyone who actually ever heard it :-).

Please print this out, take it home, and compare it to what you hear.
If you can correct or identify any of the quotes, please send me email,
and I will post an updated list in a week or so.  Can anybody help me
get a tape of SEX GUN, FAST DUMP, and MANIC II so I can add them to this
list?  Anybody want to take a crack at the samples in SHOTGUN and KEEP
ON PUSHING (including the phone call)?  Does anyone know if "I've never
really considered myself a musician" is a sample or a quote from one of
the Youngs?

By the way, Westworld is a pretty good movie.

HOT DOGGIE
----------
>From the 1987 compliation "Lonely is an Eyesore" (CAD 703)

"Let's hear some music!"
"We've got us some goodies."
--- 2000 Maniacs

"Be with me."
"Here I go."
--- Lifeforce

"Well hot doggie!"

"This guy is crazy.  Okay, you break these windows or get me the hell out
 of here."

"Soon the frontier will be down."
"Bow to their new emperor!"
--- The Last Starfighter

"Alright ... Scotty, there has to be."
--- Star Trek?  (sounds like Kirk?)

"You're blind, buddy."

"Pushed to edge."
"Pushed to the limit."

"Collection time."
"Now you're going to die."
--- Deathwish (2? 3?)

"Close your eyes, I love you."
--- Lifeforce

"You will die, lover boy."
"One by one. [chainsaw effect]"
--- The Evil Dead

"This is our celebration."

"No moon now, we're going to stop."


BABY I LOVE YOU SO
------------------
>From the 1986 "Baby I Love You So" 12EP (BAD 604)
(There may be additional samples from "Escape From New York")

"You are now entering the demarkation area."

"'I want to meet this Duke.'
 'You can't meet the Duke.  Are you crazy?  Nobody gets to meet the Duke.
  You meet him once then you're dead.'"
--- Escape From New York

"We're going down.  We're going to crash."
--- Escape From New York

"You now have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises."
--- Escape From New York

"This is Delta 4, North Bay, Gate 17.  I have an escape in progress.
 Object admits that it will be climbing the wall"
--- Escape From New York

"Two in the water, dead."
--- Escape From New York

"Very well."

"Air traffic, this is ..."


LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SHY ONE HORSE
------------------------------
>From the 1986 "Baby I Love You So" 12EP (BAD 604)
(Samples reportedly all from "Once Upon a Time in the West")

"Looks like we're shy one horse.  [laughter]  You brought two too many."

"I don't want to be a hero, all I want is the money."

"That turd, dressed in black, rode herd on me, the whole damn night."

"Sweetwater?  I'd hate to call that stinking piece of desert Sweetwater."

"You.  Take it."

"No no no."

"Pull for you, you lazy bunch of greasers!"

"You think they'd get off their asses to help us, the bastards?  Hell no."

"..."

"That to me is the bull shit."

"They have a long way."

"... there he is ..."

"Dead or alive."


JUST GIVE 'EM WHISKEY
---------------------
>From the 1985 self-titled album "Colourbox" (CAD 508)
(There may be additional samples from "The Andromeda Strain" and from
the sequel to "Westworld", "Futureworld"(?)  The samples of the woman's
voice talking about the "Westworld" plot are not from "Westworld".)

"The lusty decadent delights of imperial Pompei."

"Notify ground crews."
--- Westworld [7:03]

"Sex makes your skin glow, your eyes sparkle."

"Do you fight?"
 --- The Prisoner? (sounds like him)

"Just give 'em whiskey."
--- Westworld [13:50]

"Welcome to voice print identification.  When you see the red light go
 on, would you please state in the following order: your destination,
 your nationality, and your full name."
--- 2001, A Space Odyssey

"'Who are you?'
 'The new Number Two.'
 'Who is Number One?'
 'You are, Number Six.'
 'I am not a number --- I am a free man!'
 [laughter]"
--- The Prisoner, Opening Sequence, Episode ?
    (Number Two was a different actor/voice/laugh in each episode)

"Satellite space station in operation for landing and refueling."

"Gives you sensual pleasure."

"X-ray delta one, this is mission control.  Roger your two zero one
 three.  Sorry you fellas are having a bit of trouble.  We are reviewing
 telemetric information in our mission simulator and will advise."
--- 2001, A Space Odyssey

"Our robots are programmed to provide you with an unforgetable vacation."

"Dinner at seven, breakfast at six thirty.  Eat lunch on your own."
"Don't look like much here, be we have everything."
--- Westworld [11:15]

"Each resort is maintained by reliable computer technology and peopled by
 lifelike robot men and women."

"Desire ends in satisfaction."

"Experiment with your own life, dammit!"
--- The Andromedia Strain

"Let me handle it."

"And an all controlled environment."

"That's not supposed to happen."
--- Westworld [46:05]

"Ready on six, on five, on four, on three, on two, activate, now."
--- Westworld [33:48]

[siren]
--- The Andromedia Strain

"Shutdown, shutdown immediately!"
--- Westworld [58:28]


EDIT THE DRAGON
---------------
>From the 1985 self-titled "Colourbox" EP (MAD 509)

"'Defensive posture'
 'For the Holy Land?'
 'If anyone plays this pack of work.'
 'Ease up, conscious.'
 'East End'"

"Let's go!"

[fight scene between Lee and O'Hara]
--- Enter the Dragon

[fight scene underground at Han's Island]
--- Enter the Dragon


WE WALK AROUND THE STREETS
--------------------------
>From the 1985 self-titled "Colourbox" EP (MAD 509)

"'We walk around the streets; it makes us angry.  We see chimneys belching
  out smoke.  We see cars belching out smoke.  We see people,'
 'Belching!'
 [laughter]
 'And who's responsible for all this pollution?'
 'We are.'"


PUNCH
-----
>From the 1984 "Punch" 12EP (BAD 406)

"Punch!"

"Ooo... so wicked and sexy."
"Ooo... ooo... I like that."
"Ooo... feels good."
"Lovely... ooo man."
--- (This has to be from some bad porno.)

--
Thanks to the guy who helped me with "Hot Doggie" whose name I've lost,
Brant Nelson, Timothy King, marvynHortman, Jon Drukman, and Marc Midura.

Please send updates and corrections to klund@mit.edu.  Thank you.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 08:09:38 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Innocence Mission


Jeremy Orr writes:
>This comparison is *sooooo* tired, and IMHO, not terribly valid.  If a
>band has a female vocalist and a non-"rawk" sound, why does this
>automatically mean that the Cocteau Twins have come into play somewhere
>along the line?

It doesn't, and I don't make Cocteau Twins comparisons lightly. In fact, in
between 1984 and when I first heard the Sundays and Lush in 1990 I don't think
I'd really heard _any_ band I'd consider to be influenced by the Cocteau Twins
(except perhaps Drowning Pool), which is a major thing that blew me away about
the class-of-'90 shoegazers.
I agree the comparison has become overused, just as Velvets comparisons became
overused in the '80s. It shows that the Cocteaux have become part of our
musical landscape.

>Frankly, I would be surprised if they'd heard the
>Cocteaus at all before, say, _Four-Calendar_Cafe_.

I would not compare the Innocence Mission's first album to the Cocteau Twins
at all, and (independently) I find it pretty weak. "Umbrella", though, I will
vehemently claim is heavily influenced by them -- how can one listen to "Sorry
And Glad Together", with its delayed, chorused, chimy slab-o'-Robin guitars
and wordlesss Lizzical backing vocals, and consider it merely convergent
evolution? The difference in sound between the two LPs is so striking that I'm
firmly convinced they discovered the Cocteaux between the two. Good for them!

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Geometer _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

              Zachary Taylor was a Barosaurus and, at 89 feet,
                  was possibly our longest President ever.


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 11:39:46 -0400
From: Ryan Ferguson (ferguson@NETACCESS.ON.CA)
Subject: Re Verve


Ok, I'm going to end all of the questions here.  The new single by THE
Verve (as we in NA are legally forced to call them) was released by Hut
in the UK and is aptly titled "This is Music".  There are three songs on
the single all of which are supposed to be appearing on the new lp.  The
first two songs seem alot harder and more straightforward than the bands
older material,  this could be due to the influence of Owen Morris
(Oasis) as a co-producer.  The third song, an acoustic one, is IMHO quite
boring and not at all what I had hoped from this band.  If you purchase
the single I must stress that you give it a chance.  The first two songs
should grow on you after a few listens.  Also an added note: all
scheduled shows for the Verve have been cancelled.  At a gig in Paris it
seems that the bands guitarist Nick McCabe lost his backstage pass and
when he tried to go backstage a bouncer deceided to use him as a puching
bag, breaking his wrist.  Needless to say a law suit is in the works.
Hope I've helped somone out.

                        Cheers,
                        Ryan

ps I'm posting this to more than one list, sorry if you're reading it twice.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:41:20 -0600
From: BIGstirringofbirdsEYES (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: sylviansax


On Mon, 8 May 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:

> Horns can be quite nice with a good musician blowing on one. It's just
> too many people have only heard McBrass of the Tonight Show ilk, or
> weasly synth brass of the sort that dominates dance music. Now, someone
> like Miles Davis...shit, he did with one horn in one song what some
> entire bands couldn't do in their whole careers...
>
> Nothing like a good horn. The trick is finding good horns. (Yes, keep
> your dirty jokes to yourself. ;)

now this is getting a bit off of 4ad-l topic, but oh well.....

i'll have to agree with you that when a horn is good, it's great.  my
problem is i really enjoy horns in jazz, but when they show up in sylvian
songs, for instance, they seem to drive me batty....

ok, i promise to shut up now :)

                        .bouncingtheballstill.
                                            .mark.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:07:23 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music---> ???

              95 10:34:38 am

"Lisa R. Chong"  wrote:
>
> just wondering what/who "ancient krell music" refers to. because
> there's some band called "krell" who, i think, are sort of gothic-ish.
> They played at this thing at cbgb's a week or so ago (with four or five
> other mostly goth bands).  Or is "krell" some new term i've never heard
> of before?

The Krell were the long-dead race who built the machines that Dr Morbius
uses to enhance his mind in the film "Forbidden Planet" - he thereby
releases a monster formed from his id or something like that.  One of
the tracks on the FP soundtrack is called "Krell Shuttle Ride and Power
Station", and "Ancient Krell Music" is on there as well.  The soundtrack
is a *very* early (pre-synthesiser) piece of electronic music, lots of
bleeps and whistles, a bit like the sort of thing that Stereolab or Pram
have in the background sometimes.  Pavement did a song called "Krell Vid
User", as well.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 09/05/95
On my walkman this morning : Fugazi - In on the Kill Taker
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:36:07 +0100
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.


Urm..someone mentioned a mispress of AD 6...for those of you who don't
want to buy the item off said person, but are interested in the details,
here goes, as I have the same mispress and more...

(1) MASS (AD 14) mispress.....the A side is ACTUALLY the A side from a 7" by
Dave Edmunds and the Stray Cats...called "The Race Is On" Released on Swansong
SSK 19425

(2) MODERN ENGLISH (AD 6) mispress...the B side is ACTUALLY the B side from
a 7" by Pete Townsend...called "Let My Love Open Your Door" Released on Atco
Atco K11486

(3) BAUHAUS (AD 7) Terror Couple Kill Colonel...there is a remix
release that is bloody difficult to distinguish from the original...
You can only tell by listening, or looking at the scratched in catalogue
number in the vinyl around the label.
  Conventional  A side matrix has AD7-A2,  B side has AD7-AA2
  Remix         A side matrix has AD7-A2,  B side has AD7-AA1..which is the
remix side
If you listen to Terror Couple Kill Colonel(Version) you will hear the
difference!! This is the only track that has been remixed.

As for how rare these are, who knows?? I  picked them up by accident, so
they can't be impossible to find.

Andrew


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:41:16 -0700
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Papa's Gun show


I just got a postcard from the band Papa's Gun which we
reviewed in the last issue. They're playing in Philadelphia
(I believe, the postcard doesn't list a city) at
Khyber Pass Pub this Friday, May 12, at 10:30pm.
56 S. 2nd St., 215-440-9683. They've got a good sound
and great vocals. They're 'thislisty' enough to deserve
some attention.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:45:15 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lori Carson & Golden Palominos


<<<<

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 09:56:13 -0600
From: BIGstirringofbirdsEYES (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness


since i asked the espquestion that orignally lead to a, might i say,
absolutelydisgusting accusation of *k-j*, i thought i'd clarify the point
that i was simply being curious as to the status of the orders with
time-stereo, and i wasn't attempting to put any extra pressure on the
tweequeen herself.  *k-j* is more than kind to do this little deal with
time-stereo in the first place and i for one really appreciate
it......anyway, i guess curiosity is *very* dangerous, kills cats and things.

have a happy day, all you lovelies out there.....and get well *k-j*!!!

        .donewithschool.
        .mark......just waiting for e. to torch him one of these days :)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:14:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: ...dress me up in Stussy...


       Well...since this has turned into a free-for-all list
       these days, I thought that I would ask a few pertinant
       questions concerning other groups I am wondering about.

       I know that there are quite a few Portishead fans on
       this list so I was wondering if anyone was a fan of, or
       had any info on Tricky or Massive Attack...both Tricky
       and Massive Attack are in the same "Trip-Hop" sounding
       vein as Portishead...I have a little bit of info but I
       am yearning for more...especially on Tricky...also, if
       anyone out there as the compilation "Trip-Hop Test" I
       would love to hear what your view of it is...I don't have
       it and was just wondering...thanks all...see ya...

                                      -Jacob Paul Leonard

       ...I was a girl too...


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:30:06 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness


the illusory *k-j* wrote, and rightly so:

>   now that i've lost absolutely all control of my mind, flame away...
>


Yet another thread of utter importance here on 4AD-L.  Anyone wanna talk
about 4AD bands? or is that out of style around here?


No offense, k-j, really...promise :)

Ivo

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:28:43 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album


>
>if you like walls of noise, you should try lovesliescrushing (despite
>what e. might say about that).....it's gorgeous!
>

AGREED!!!!!!!!! totally ambient, ethereal, noise!!!!!!!
beautiful.

                        -robert.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:00:50 CST
From: Larry Koch (KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@CCMAIL.WORLDCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Her Royal Tweeness


     >  What *has* happened to that most twee personage *k-j*? Has she
     >  moved to the state that is shaped like a mitten?

     Michigan - the only state whose inhabitants, when you ask them what
     part they're from, hold up their right hands and point at their palms,
     saying "Okay, here's Detroit, and there's Lansing..."


     Larry

     This message has been paid for by the Vote Mayor Quimby for Mayor
     Mayoral campaign.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:15:03 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album


You wrote:
>
>On Mon, 8 May 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:
>
>>     listen to it a few more times... it may grow on you! :)
>
>I will, but why Mike and David didn't just make "Vane" the new Lycia
>album strikes me as kind of weird.

what i really didn't expect is that Mike would ask david to join
Lycia... he hasn't had another member since "wake" and i've read
interviews with him say that it was easier to work alone.
    still over all "burning circle..." is a good album, aswell as
"vane" though i find it hard to compare the two, since (within myself)
they create two totally different moods.


                                    -robert.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:32:10 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swirl


You wrote:
>
>Is anybody out there into Swirl.  They're an Australian band that have
been compared to CT, Lush, and early Pale Saints (pretty broad
comparison if you ask me, but maybe not for an untrained ear.)  I'm
wondering.  Which of these comparisons are valid.  I'm thinking about
ordering their latest,
>"The Last Unicorn."  Any opinions of it??

i am very interested in any info. aswell.  i have never heard them
before, but they sound great! anything like the band Dreamswirl? :)


                                    -robert.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:53:21 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.


Speaking of Mispresses....

Did anyone ever have anything odd occur with their CT Box Set?  When I first
got it, I popped in Peppermint Pig and out came some rapper yelling, "I
like PUSSY!..."   And I thought, "Well, this is obviously NOT Liz..." :)


Mike

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:19:22 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album


>orchestral satre thing:

Yeah! do you know anything about this.... it sounds pretty interesting!
doesn't she sing in French or something like that?

                            -robert.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:01:28 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Lycia's new album


Don't know if my last message posted, but further listenings of this
album have made me fall in love with disc two. Especially the two songs
sung by the girl. Magnificent. Will now go back and give disc one some
more spins.

Martin

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:14:31 -0600
From: King of the Monsters! (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Swirl


>You wrote:
>>
>>Is anybody out there into Swirl.  They're an Australian band that have
>been compared to CT, Lush, and early Pale Saints (pretty broad
>comparison if you ask me, but maybe not for an untrained ear.)  I'm
>wondering.  Which of these comparisons are valid.  I'm thinking about
>ordering their latest,
>>"The Last Unicorn."  Any opinions of it??
>
>i am very interested in any info. aswell.  i have never heard them
>before, but they sound great! anything like the band Dreamswirl? :)
>
>
>                                    -robert.

Hi, it's me again.  I forgot to mention that I heard the "Aurora" EP.  For
the interested, it did sound similar to early Pale Saints as well as Lush.
The lead singer however (the one I remember was a man) had a voice that
best be described as something less than good.  Personal mail I've received
on this topic has also mentioned "that voice" as a fault of Swirl.  One
person recommended them, however, and I'd probably buy "Unicorn" if
anything, supposed to be the most "professional of their albums."  Btw,
ironically enough, they're on the Dirt label.

Later,
Eric E. Wittmershaus
eewittme@students.wisc.edu
eric.wittmershaus@mail.admin.wisc.edu

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:37:07 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGW.GHC.ORG)
Subject: FW: FW: laugh of the day


>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>What's that?  It looks tasty. CHOMP!
>
>>I can't believe you people still exist.
>
>>KJ> You're right, it does. Digital recording still comes nowhere even close
to
>>KJ> analog recording as far as capturing the "whole picture." Anyone who
says
>>KJ> otherwise is just plain wrong.
>
>Yes, and sex is best in the missionary position, the way God intended.
>
>>Of course it's warmer. It has no dynamic range compared to digital media.
>
>Not true.  It's just that it has *even more artifacts* than digital when
>you squeeze 90+db S/N out of it.  Remember dbx?  It's alive!!  I can hear
>it breathing!
>
>>It can't reproduce the dynamic of cymbals and other high frequency
>>instruments, so there is none of the harshness, crispness and shimmering of
>>the source instrumentation.  Leaving this out of any digital recording
would
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>make the recording just as warm.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>A very interesting proposition: A DSP-based audio processing unit which
>*simulates* the artifacts of the good 'ol analogue days!  Hell, you could
>sell a million of 'em.  Imagine - putting crackles and pops back *into*
>those really quiet and subtle passages of your favorite classical CD! You
>could marvel once again at the fascinating way in which your woofer cones
>undulate in and out to the limits of their excursion with each revolution
>of a *virtual warped record*!  Hear cymbals disappear as you simulate a
>tape that has been exposed to a magnetic field by accident!  Aerobicize
>to the pump and wheeze of an analogue dynamic range expander!
>
>I can't wait to buy one:  I'll invite one of the salesmen from the local
>high-end shop over to audition my new *all analogue* system.  I'll let
>him get really into the music, commenting on the "warmth and richness" of
>that old Dynaco amp, and how "they never should have stopped pressing LP's"
>then - blammo! - zap him back to Planet Earth by switching off my "witches
>box" and listening to him stammer and reel as all of his cherished
>prejudices face the cold, white light of PURE DIGITAL SOUND REPRODUCTION!
>
>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha...
>
>Barry

Just to make sure y'all knew, I'm not the pro-digital guy, I just posted his
message (from electronica, before that from synth) to throw a wrench in the
works and get conversation going. My own opinion is mixed. I think it depends
on the context. Digital is probably most appropriate for Clock DVA and
Autechre, even orb, etc. If one has a REALLY GOOD PHONOGRAPH AND SYSTEM, then
in theory analogue would be best for other musics. Personally my system isn't
probably good enough to capture the pureness that is in vinyl and lacking in
a CD -- and my ears aren't good enough to hear the digital "chopped-up-ness"
unless I'm dosing or something. With some groups, like Stereolab, it's kind
of cool to have the vinyl because that's so much the aesthetic -- the
phonograph (record sleeve, warm sound, etc.) as ritual. Same as when I play a
Martin Denny record. Then again, although S-Lab themselves are big Analogue
advocates, I must say that my fave S-lab songs sound DAMN GOOD when plugging
some good headphones directly into the CD deck: I sort of feel that while IN
THEORY analogue is more pure, in reality that difference is not as great as
the impurities in the transferrance from vinyl to needle to receiver to
speaker. (esp. on most systems)

    + ---    Thom S. Heileson
   + +-             oR                 [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
    + -    phASER@cyberspace.com

           heilts1@macgw.ghc.org

           "I'll give you an example, typically.
    It's less complicated than it simply should be." - Wire


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:09:34 EDT
From: "(Gay Church)" (LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Those @W@#(*&$@(#*& UNSUBSCRIBE messages!

              5 May 1995 20:18:23 -0400 from Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
              

Can someone tell me how to unsubscribe to this list?

(Just kidding - couldn't resist.  Tee hee hee.....)

Gay Church of the Piedmont

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:47:25 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music


>                         W I L L  Y O U  F A D E
>
>

                    " .... and i grow dizzy...."

what do you think of "Ardor"....
just wondering, i think it is as
beautiful as the first! others aren't
so impressed...

                                    -robert.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:41:29 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music


You wrote:
>
>Robert Pietrusko  wrote:

>> serious?  oh well.  i guess it doesn't matter now! hehe.... i
thought
>> there would be more to it!!! i guess i don't need it after all!
thanks
>> for saving me time.
>
>There is one very important difference in the artwork - the catalogue
>number has an "x" after it, which obviously makes it extremely
valuable
>and desireable.
>
    i guess i wasn't wasting my time looking for it then...:)

>
>Robert Pietrusko  wrote:
>>
>> that's odd... because i was in a local shop yesterday and i saw a
Verve
>> CD that i had never seen before, so i asked the guy if it was the
new
>> one and he replied with a "umm, well yeah." guess not though.
>There's a new Verve single out now, I have no idea of the title.
Don't you Americans have to call them The London Verve UK or something
>similar?
>
    hehe, yeah something like that. i'm sure if we say Verve or The
Verve.... something very annoying. there is some lounge act in Vegas or
something that has the same name and had to make a big deal about it.

                                -robert.

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:52:50 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGW.GHC.ORG)
Subject: FW: flame week

              atmosphere@niagara.edu, ceremony@iastate.edu,
              DREAMPOP-L@netcom.com, electronica+@andrew.cmu.edu,
              post-classical mailing list ,
              sylvian@gu.uwa.edu.au

OK, I promise not to crosspost so blatantly like this anymore (pls. forgive
me). But I thought this was amusing and, with some minor changes, could be
made applicable to any of these lists.
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Vance Gloster on Tue, May 9, 1995 5:02 AM
Subject: flame week


Welcome to Analogue Heaven flame week.  It is sometimes difficult for
the lurkers to follow the exchanges, so I propose we use the following
------------------------Beginning of Form-----------------------------------
I strongly resent the fact that disagreed with the pure wisdom of my
previous post.  This is obviously because you are a (choose one)

[] digital cretin
[] analog reactionary
[] unhip dweeb who knows nothing about house and techno
[] unenlightened novice who thinks great music could happen outside the 60s

The reason you decided to flame me is because you cannot handle

[] my drug usage
[] your drug usage
[] drugs, period
[] the truth

Well, for your information, everybody knows

[] you basically suck
[] you really suck
[] you totally suck
[] I am God

What could we expect from a loser who uses a

[] 303
[] Sampler
[] Digital synth
[] DAT machine
[] MIDI sequencer
[] Unix machine

and doesn't even know who _______________ (insert name of obscure
performer or synth designer) is?

I suggest that in the future before you post your (select all that
apply)

[] boring
[] wrong
[] stupid
[] uninformed
[] revisionist
[] heretical
[] subversive
[] criminal
[] treasonous
[] seditious

flame bait and misinformation you kick back and listen to net.gods
like myself tell you how it really is.
------------------------End of Form-----------------------------------

For lurkers (and participants) who want to keep track of which
factions are winning and losing please send $900 (or one "mint" 303)
for my AH flame week score-keeping kit.  Only one to a customer!

-Vance Gloster
 vance@netcom.com

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:00:43 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Slowdive, Verve, Ancient Krell Music

              09 May 95 12:47:25 PDT" <2fafe36a673f004@cdshub.cdc.com>

>what do you think of "Ardor"....
>just wondering, i think it is as
>beautiful as the first! others aren't
>so impressed...

I have Idylls and Ardour and to me they are
indistinguisib... indistinguisable... the same.
Maybe after listening to them alot more they
will sound dissimilar, but since I bought them
close together (in time)...

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@aquarius1.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omoidashite yo"
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:53:16 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@SCOOTER.CC.WWU.EDU) Dammit... Calm down, you freaks! n9344881@cc.wwu.edu "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:44:28 -0500
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Swirl

              09 May 95 12:32:10 PDT" <2fafd7845e7c002@cdshub.cdc.com>

I got the Swirl Unicorn CD in a used bin.
It is OK, kinda spotty, like someone else said
more MBV than CT.

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@aquarius1.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omoidashite yo"
-------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:18:50 CDT
From: Jonny Quest (jonnyq@DATATEK.COM)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.


> Speaking of Mispresses....
>
> Did anyone ever have anything odd occur with their CT Box Set?  When I first
> got it, I popped in Peppermint Pig and out came some rapper yelling, "I
> like PUSSY!..."   And I thought, "Well, this is obviously NOT Liz..." :)
>
>
> Mike

oh man!! you've got your hands on a gold mine!! that was from elizabeth's
earliest pre-CT group she was in. it was a rap group called "the smoove-
juicy lizzy f. posse". i think their first album was called "smoothed out
on the millemillenary tip".

how much ya take for it?

jq.

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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:17:44 -0600
From: BIGstirringofbirdsEYES (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: cranes satre ep.


On Tue, 9 May 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:

> >orchestral satre thing:
>
> Yeah! do you know anything about this.... it sounds pretty interesting!
> doesn't she sing in French or something like that?
>
>                             -robert.

well....here's what i know....

during the recording of loved jim wrote some orchestral music that just
didn't belong on loved (in the band's eyes).  the music itself reminded
alison of the play by sartre called "the flies", so alison ending up
reading dramatic pieces of the play over it....and yes(!) it's in
french.  now for the real problem....

the reason why this hasn't been released isn't really the cranes' fault,
but actually they're waiting for copyright premission from the estate of
jean-paul sartre.  i guess we can hope to see it this summer....

                        .swivelfish.
                     .mark.


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:56:33 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.


On Tue, 9 May 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:

> Speaking of Mispresses....
>
> Did anyone ever have anything odd occur with their CT Box Set?  When I first
> got it, I popped in Peppermint Pig and out came some rapper yelling, "I
> like PUSSY!..."   And I thought, "Well, this is obviously NOT Liz..." :)
>
>
   Well, nothing so extreme, although my copy of the first ep had two
covers in it... *shrug*

Ivo


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:07:44 -0400
From: Carolyn Hughes (Pandaura@AOL.COM)
Subject: V23


I don't know if this would be any help but I bought  the"This Rimy River"
exhibition catalogue at the Virgin Megastore in Los Angeles in March for
around $50. I doubt they do mail order so maybe 4ad would be your best
bet(now I know I am no help) - I think I remember them listing it in the
catalog I got at the exhibit. Uhh...good luck

-*p*


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 21:49:28 -0500
From: Literati (literati@PRAIRIENET.ORG)
Subject: Re: Early (1980) 4AD mispresses.


Ivo was a lucky boy:

>On Tue, 9 May 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Mispresses....
>>
>> Did anyone ever have anything odd occur with their CT Box Set?  When I first
>> got it, I popped in Peppermint Pig and out came some rapper yelling, "I
>> like PUSSY!..."   And I thought, "Well, this is obviously NOT Liz..." :)
>>
>>
>   Well, nothing so extreme, although my copy of the first ep had two
>covers in it... *shrug*

This isn't even REMOTELY 4AD related, but I bought a Led Zeppelin tape once
that only had a leader, no actual TAPE in it! I played it, and 5 seconds
later, it stopped.

The best story of this type that I heard was a friend of mine who bought a
Soundgarden album, only to find Dr. somebody-or-other's Songs for Children
inside. He never returned it because the Songs for Children were probably a
lot better than the Soundgarden would have been.

Literati

 ____
//  \\ ()  Iffin' you really care for me, Don't comb your hair for me
\_/ // ()  Iffin' you want to make me weak and weepy,
   //      Then act real weird and wild and creepy        --Dame Darcy
  /                    -- literati@prairienet.org --


Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:54:23 -0500
From: Jeremy L Orr (jeremy@GXL.WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: THE Verve


---from Robert Pietrusko:

> > There's a new Verve single out now, I have no idea of the title.
> > Don't you Americans have to call them The London Verve UK or
> > something similar?
>
> hehe, yeah something like that. i'm sure if we say Verve or The
> Verve.... something very annoying. there is some lounge act in Vegas or
> something that has the same name and had to make a big deal about it.

They're now known as The Verve, and I'm pretty sure that this change is
worldwide, not just in America, although if anyone knows for a fact (i.e.
not just spouting off) that the contrary is truly the case, I'd like to
know.  They were sued (?) by the dumbshits at Verve, a jazz label,
because they were afraid that their customers would buy (The) Verve's
albums thinking they were Verve label releases; apparently, they have
about as much respect their customers as I do.  (For future reference,
see Kid in the Hall Bruce McCullough's anti-jazz skit from a few years
ago; it's absolutely brilliant!)

---Jeremy  ...at work, but not working...

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 00:01:46 -0400
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...dress me up in Stussy...

              at May 9, 95 01:14:00 pm

>        I know that there are quite a few Portishead fans on
>        this list so I was wondering if anyone was a fan of, or
>        had any info on Tricky or Massive Attack...both Tricky
>        and Massive Attack are in the same "Trip-Hop" sounding
>        vein as Portishead...

Well, some info on Tricky would include that he hates being termed "trip-hop"!
All the interviews he's done in the States have just lumped him in with
Portishead (due no doubt to their great success) and though he's from Bristol
and has worked with both Portishead & Massive Attack in the past, I believe
there's been some sort of rift between them.

The one Massive Attack song I heard was a lot more R&B sounding than either
Tricky or Portishead. A bit too slick for my taste.

What I've heard of the Tricky album "Maxinquaye" (sp?), just reissued
domestically by Island, is really great. It reminds me a bit more of Laika,
perhaps, probably due somewhat to Martine's voice which is pretty similar to
Margaret's in places. It's a bit more subtle & fluid than Beth Gibbon's
overwrought theatrics.

I suppose I can see a case for lumping them together simply as a means of
presenting them as bands who are attempting something different, but that gets
twisted around to mean that they're all doing the same thing (as each other)
which is far from the case.

Anyway, if you're curious about Tricky, he'll be coming over at the end of the
month, opening for the always worthwhile PJ Harvey, so you can form your own
impression.

   Susan

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 23:05:16 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: For Sam Leung!!!!!!


disregard if you're not sammy.


Sam! where is my package? if you lost it or something or it is damaged,
don't screw me over here, ok? just repay me. or you could send me 3 cd's or
something, but i never got the package, and you agreed to buy the ltd. edition
from me, and on that premise i sent it to you. you must either
a) send it back to me
b) repay me with cash
c) compensate me with cd's.

i haven't heard from you in two months. don't be a scum. at least write to me
and let me know what is going on.

lisa

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:10:14 -0600
From: Elaun (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: while we're not on the subject...


...of 4AD bands:

Does anyone know anything about what The Lilac Time is up to?  Or how
about Bel Canto?  I'd ask thislisty questions, but I've been gleaning my
answers from just reading postings to this list.

Thanks muchly!

Elaun
(ecable@acs.ucalgary.ca)


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