4ad-l Mail for 00-07-1995

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Subject: Digest
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:25:57 UTC+0200
From: Juan Santana (jsantana@UGR.ES)
Subject: ...i need an AVAM video...
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:08:31 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Limited Edition Versions of 4AD albums
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:03:49 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Quickspace Supersport
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:11:45 +0930
From: gks@manta.dsto.gov.au
Subject: Belly UK Tour Stuff
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:27 +0000
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Red House Painters? Yes.
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:59:17 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: 4AD-L FAQ Release 14
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:22:18 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: 4AD promo
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:25:36 GMT
From: Adrian E Wake (aew@DATAWRIGHT.CO.UK)
Subject: Throwing Muses (Chicago)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:48:53 -0500
From: TOM HOMULKA (THOMULKA@SPL.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: ...i need an AVAM video...
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:20:16 -0800
From: daktari at The Yak (daktari@YAK.NET)
Subject: what not to do on wednesday night
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:27:37 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Reviews: PJH / Null & Plotkin / Kronos & Glass / Hitchcock
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:48:48 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: cyber-freedoms petition: sign & pass on
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:15:29 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: slowguys lyrics...
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:44:01 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...i need an AVAM video...
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:08:08 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: cyber-freedoms petition: sign & pass on
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:13:08 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Th'Faith Healers, Throwing Muses
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:37:51 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CT "lyrics"
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:04:21 PST
From: "Lucretia, my reflection... dance the ghost with me."
Subject: dancing belly
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:33:24 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: G.Greenwood
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:14:23 GMT
From: Pauli Markkanen (p.markkanen@IC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: G.Greenwood
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:49:26 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: old digests
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:04:38 UTC+0200
From: Juan Santana (jsantana@UGR.ES)
Subject: Lorelei?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:10:48 -0500
From: SCSI Master (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Re: Lorelei?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:29:46 -0500
From: Jason Eugene Heindl (JEHEINDL%AMHERST.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: coupla questions
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:17:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUQ39@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Slowdive's _Pygmalion_...help!
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:30:07 CST
From: Errand Boy (CTSUI@ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Muses (and a dig at Belly)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:53:55 -0600
From: "Jeremy L. Orr" (jorr02@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: Re: G.Greenwood
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:05:30 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Inconsiderate Bitch/300-500
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:11:31 -0800
From: Christopher Michael Hanis (cmhanis@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters?
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:59:20 gmt
From: p.markkanen@ic.ac.uk
Subject: His Name Is Alive
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:15:41 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: 4AD catalog in the US
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:19:03 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:36:38 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: G.Greenwood
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:52:02 -0500
From: Jon H Wichmann (jhwst9+@PITT.EDU)
Subject: Re: the dirt eaters(wcbn)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:05:24 -0500
From: peter raskolnikov (clovis@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:16:48 -0500
From: peter raskolnikov (clovis@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:08:46 -0800
From: "lushmuse@uci...i think last night, you were driving circles
Subject: the dirteaters name is alive
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:27:24 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: attn. spiral
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:29:19 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Red House Painters " Ocean Beach " - my first impression
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:07:42 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:10:10 -1000
From: "Chad Robinson, KSC" (chadr@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:49:37 -0500
From: Sean devine (etzel@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: Super Gail!
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:23:03 +0000
From: "gillian.hardy" (aa1gha@ORAC.SUND.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: slowguys lyrics...
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:10:27 +0000
From: Steve Bagwell (Stephen_Bagwell@BAYLOR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteaus for $$$
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:22:41 -0500
From: The Spangle Maker (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Inconsiderate Bitch
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:36:44 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Head to Toe by mail?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:52:15 +1000
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Handsome Woman
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:37:20 +0000
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@CHOP.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: what to do on wednesday night
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:39:36 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:55:54 -0500
From: Jon Gonzales (DrPrudence@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Low
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:02:56 -0600
From: "Jeremy L. Orr" (jorr02@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:25:57 UTC+0200
From: Juan Santana (jsantana@UGR.ES)
Subject: Digest


Excuse my shameful ignorance, but can anyone tell me how to get the digest
version of this list, instead of the "undigested" one? Thanks a lot.

(Please respond to me directly).
 Juan Santana


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:08:31 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...i need an AVAM video...


  ..don't ask why, because the reasoning is quite simple...mine's
  mucked up and i never did get around to buying another copy for
  myself when the circus was in town {not like i could afford it
  either, the swindlers...} and once in awhile i'd actually like to
  pop mine into the machine and watch it. as it stands, i can't even
  listen to it. so if you know where to buy one that's not suffering
  from red-line disease or snap crackle pop hiss then e-mail me
  and i'll go sell enough of my crappy cds to pay for it...or rob
  a bank..whichever is easier...

  and for the rekkid, i got my hnia tour/avam photos back this weekend..
  KOOLIO! esp. the shot of brendan perry @ the troubadour... plus
  enough warren defever to make his own mother sick of looking at him...
  and ian masters...meriel & graeme...micheal allen...karin oliver
  and her huge green docs...karin oliver and her clamdigger jeans from
  '93...a teeny pic of ivo smoking outside of aron's...and a nice blurry
  one of lil twee dorkette - me. too bad the kodak people ruined my
  b&w photos..all the pix of my kitty are now gone... :(

  ..i'm so sick of the rain..someone make it stop, please..

  oh, and spiff dewdrops issue. ;) and not just becase my name appears in
  print, either...what's the price on the smitten tape? i saw a post
  on it a loooong time ago over at Usenet and i accidentally deleted it.
  i'd like to hear them as they seemed kind of interesting before i read
  the dewreview..and even more so after i read the dewreview...

  *k-j* ...your twee hyacinth girlie who makes up words to better
        enhance her vocabulary...

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:03:49 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Limited Edition Versions of 4AD albums

              Mar 4, 95 01:40:38 pm

Bradford Chamberlain  wrote:
>
> Today I got in the mail the really nice limited edition version of
> Throwing Muses "University" (thanks other Brad!) and it made me
> wonder what other recent (or not-so-recent) releases have limited
> edition versions.  Ones I know of (but don't own) are:
>
> "Hips and Makers" - K.H.
> "King" - Belly
> ???

The other ones I have are Belly's "Star" (deluxe digipak with stapled-in
booklet - really nice), and Lush's "Spooky" (silvery digipak).  Not all
the "deluxe" editions of 4AD albums were very different - the special
vinyl version of "Doolittle" had a booklet with it (a bit like an
enlarged version of the CD insert), but was otherwise the same.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 06/03/95
On my walkman this morning : Suede - Dog Man Star
The path of its departure still is free:

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:11:45 +0930
From: gks@manta.dsto.gov.au
Subject: Quickspace Supersport


The guitarist from Th' Faith Healers has formed a new band called Quickspace
Supersport. There is a single out, has anybody heard it ?

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:27 +0000
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Belly UK Tour Stuff


Just an addition..I'm not sure what happened to the message I posted,
but it seemed to have a lot of ascii crap in it....
Gig merchandise includes...
(1) yellow t-shirt, small/shortsleeve - Belly logo(front)King design(back)
(2) khaki green t-shirt, as above only larger
(3) white t-shirts(x2), as above, different logo colour combinations.
    ALL COST TEN POUNDS STERLING
(4) two 4inch red/yellow Belly logo stickers ONE POUND STERLING
(5) two black KING dice THREE POUNDS PER PAIR
meanwhile...
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
|              Andrew Wappat               |   "..spitting out feathers,      |
|     e-mail: G.S.Walker@durham.ac.uk      |      spitting out oar-blades.."  !
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:59:17 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Red House Painters? Yes.


*Collector's Alert*

I read in a trade publication that the UK vinyl edition of the new Red House
Painters album will include a cover of "Long Distance Runaround" by Yes.
(Sorry if I got that song title wrong.)

Also, if anyone's a Foetus fan, the new album is out on April 11!
-shill

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:22:18 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: 4AD-L FAQ Release 14


Gnome writes:
>For those of us who have only been on the net sice july '94, how about a
>dictionary of abbrieviations added to the FAQ or something. For example
>I have no Idea what any of the abbrieviations on this page mean save
>TWP.

Uh, there _is_ such a dictionary in the FAQ, has been for some time. Judging
by this and other things that could have been averted had people read the FAQ
(all of those "how do I turn off my mail" things) I think it's time to send
out the latest FAQ...

As always, corrections or suggestions for new material are welcome.

==============================================================================
4AD-L Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List
Release 14 -- 6 March 1995

TABLE OF CONTENTS:
  Introduction
  Administrivia
  List Etiquette
  Musical Questions
  Whatever Happened To...?
  Compilations
  Discography / Groupography
  Other 4AD Questions
  Mail


INTRODUCTION

This is the list of Frequently Asked Questions for the 4AD-List, an Internet
mailing list devoted to the 4AD record label and the bands on it, such as
Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, the Breeders, Throwing Muses, etc. Other music
of a similar nature (generally swirly/ethereal/noisy) is also discussed; see
below under "List Etiquette".

This list was compiled by Jens Alfke . Please
send any suggestions or corrections my way (preferably as updates to
individual questions, not copies of the entire FAQ with changes made to it;
the latter is very difficult to merge into the real FAQ.)

Alphabetical thanks to Brent Aliverti, Theo Buchler, Susan Curran,
Kelli-Jeanne Drum, Jeff Gayton, David Gilles-Thomas, Christopher Hanks, Dave
Hanna, Steve W Hill, Thomas Homulka, Simon Hughes, Neil Impellus, Al Kolman,
Julian Lawton, Brant Nelson, A J Norman, Andrew Reynhout, Keith Richmond,
Jason Schmit, Dr Bruce Scott, David Sokol, Robert Stanzel, and Geordie Torr
for their help so far!

If you are receiving this as part of your introductory 4AD-L mailing, then
**PLEASE** hang onto this FAQ, or at least keep a copy of the "Administrivia"
section, as it explains -->how to unsubscribe<--. On that sad day you will not
regret having the information handy.


ADMINISTRIVIA

. The body should of the message should be:
  subscribe 4AD-L Joe Schmo
where you of course replace "Joe Schmo" with your real name (not your e-mail
address). You should hear back from the ListServ pretty quickly.

it will go to everyone on the list. On most mail systems, replying to a
message from the list should automatically direct it there. (Watch out when
replying directly to the sender that you don't accidentally send to the whole
list!)

mail in daily digest form?
. The body should contain a ListServ command:
To unsubscribe:  SIGNOFF 4AD-L
To put mail on hold: SET 4AD-L NOMAIL
To take mail off hold: SET 4AD-L MAIL
To get mail in daily-digest form: SET 4AD-L DIGEST
To get messages one at a time: SET 4AD-L MAIL
For full details, consult the ListServ message you got when you first
subscribed.

is not the same as the address you subscribed with, i.e. if your mail system
has been tweaked slightly since you subscribed. Here's what you do next,
courtesy of Dr Bruce Scott:
  1) Send mail to listserv@juhvm.bitnet or listserv@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu
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  2) You will get a file back with the list of 4ad-l subscribers. Search
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  3a) If that address is still your current address, send another
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  3b) If that address is _not_ your current address, you need to get
  your sysop to do it for you. You need the "node administrator" (your
  sysop) to use the single line command (as above)
  "for  signoff 4ad-l". This type of command _must_ be sent
  from @node, where "user" is "maint", "postmast", or "postmaster".

  4) For further information, send mail to the above address with the
  single line "info refcard".

    or .

separated by month, with names like 4ad-l.log9306 (for June 93), or
4ad-l.log9211 (for Nov 92) for instance. There are two ways to get them. The
first is to send a listserver command to the Bitnet or Internet address listed
    get 4ad-l log9306
The other is by ftp. If you are using a Unix system, the command is:
    ftp jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu
(FTP is also accessible from Macs or DOS PCs with IP addresses, but the user
interface varies.) Logon as 'anonymous' and give any password. Move to the
4ad-l directory (In Unix, "cd 4ad-l") and get whatever file you want ("get
4ad-l.log9306"). You can list the files with the command ls.


LIST ETIQUETTE

artists, or 23 Envelope/v23/Vaughn Oliver, is obviously fair game. There is
also much discussion of bands whose members have appeared on 4AD recordings
(Cindytalk, Shelleyan Orphan), bands that are on 4AD in parallel universes
(Slowdive, Cranes, My Bloody Valentine, Sundays, anybody on Too Pure) and
noisy pop in general. Use discretion.

help; thanks to Lars Ingebrigtsen for running the voting!
The Boo Radleys, Pavement, Ride, SpinART's "One Last Kiss" comp, PJ Harvey, My
Bloody Valentine, Juliana Hatfield, Spiritualized, Tel Basta, Catherine Wheel,
Sugar, Sonic Youth, Medicine, The Beautiful South, Skinny Puppy, Kitchens of
Distinction, Cranes, The Orb, Curve... (Some of these are really from 1991; so
sue us...)

the previous answers for details.

people to reply to you personally, not the list. (See below...)

and wrote some really un-fuckin-believable stream of consciousness poetry that
I'd like to share with the list since it was influenced by my listening to 4AD
music.
instead.

list?
personal replies sent by people who didn't think about or get an answer to
this. Having said that, we can only reply that the details are specific to
your mail system. Try consulting your system administrator or reading a
manual. As a last resort, if you have access to the message header you can
read off the "From:" address and type it into the "To:" field of a new
message.
If you absolutely have no alternative but to send a personal message via the
entire list, at least be very contrite and regretful about it. This will save
you the trouble of getting flamed...
It should also be noted that some people are subjected to rinky-dink mail
systems that hide the return address of the sender. For this reason, it's a
good idea to include your address in your .signature, otherwise these people
will be unable to send personal mail to you.

    AVAM= All Virgos Are Mad, the 1994 4AD festival in LA
    BTfaBG= Black Tape For a Blue Girl
    CT  = Cocteau Twins
    DCD = Dead Can Dance
    EoST= The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa
    FSA = Flying Saucer Attack
    FSOL= Future Sound Of London
    HNIA= His Name Is Alive
    J&MC= The Jesus and Mary Chain
    MBV = My Bloody Valentine
    MM  = Melody Maker, a British weekly music paper
    M7X = The Moon Seven Times
    NME = New Musical Express, another British paper
    PiL = Public Image, Ltd.
    PJH = P J Harvey (or maybe Pearl Jam Hurls)
    RHP = Red House Painters
    SY  = Sonic Youth
    TMC = This Mortal Coil
    TWP = The Wolfgang Press (or maybe The Wedding Present)
    VG  = Velocity Girl
    WGP = The WolfGang Press (usage discouraged)
    13YI= 13-Year Itch, a 4AD party held in summer 1993
There are also the usual net-talk abbreviations like IMHO or "Ob-"; if you're
confused about those see any netiquette guide or the New Hacker's Dictionary
(edited by Eric Raymond, published by MIT Press, very informative and
amusing.)

than the cookies. You might want to post it to alt.folklore.urban, though,
they love cookie recipes there.


MUSICAL QUESTIONS

couplets that appear on the LPs of "Garlands" and "Head Over Heels":
    - Things from the forest die here / But I don't /
            Dead forest things are offered here / But I'm not
    - Grail overfloweth / Forget-me-not wreaths /
            Chaplets see me drugged / I could die in the rosary

    - When Mama was moth / I took bulb form
    - Glass candle grenades are popping / Still we'll not keel over
    - Tinderbox of a heart / Left a shell is all
    - Fig up my love paramour / Ooze out and away onehow
(Note that the last line became a song title on "The Moon and the Melodies".)

works mainly in the genre of "ambient music": sparse, meditative soundscapes
that avoid the easy sentimentalism of "new age". If you enjoyed the quieter
piano-based moments of "The Moon...", particularly "Memory Gongs", try Budd's
album "Lovely Thunder", which includes an alternate version of that song,
entitled "Flowered Knife Shadows". Also recommended are his earlier albums
"The Pearl" and "The Plateaux of Mirror", both collaborations with Brian Eno.
His 1989 album "The White Arcades" was recorded in the Cocteau Twins' studio,
September Sound; unfortunately, its sound becomes too treacly for my ears.
Your mileage may vary.

pigeonholed as "a 4AD band". They're now on Fontana (still on Capitol in the
US.)

interviews, but the actual truth is that it was the name of an early Simple
Minds song. No one having been able to find a song of this name on any Simple
Minds record, Brant Nelson finally asked Robin himself and was told that it's
on the first SM album but under a different title.

Star and Pale Saints have covered?
Peter Blegvad and Anthony Moore. Julian Lawton writes: "Peter Blegvad is
currently a cartoonist on the Independent On Sunday (Leviathan) - he also did
solo stuff with Andy Partridge of XTC. Moore also worked as part of Faust's
floating line up (or was it Amon Duul) and I think both were in Henry Cow, as
well as Slaphappy. The one time I saw a Slaphappy LP it was very expensively
priced in a collectors shop!!!"

the tape ran out or something. Is this intentional?
way it sounded.

magazine with a free CD, depending on how you look at it. It includes articles
about, and songs by, several different bands. The songs are usually
unavailable elsewhere. Issue 5 ("Volume 5", natch) had much notoriety on this
list due to the Cocteau Twins' version of "Frosty the Snowman" and a nice
interview with them.
Volume is published in England, but it can be found in finer US record stores,
and is available from mail-order houses like Vinyl Ink or Parasol (q.v.)

Area?
Moreover, Henry is a 4AD-L subscriber...

(Slumberland/SpinArt, 1992) sounds almost more like My Bloody Valentine than
MBV themselves do. (They have since changed members and sound quite different
now.)
The Lillies were a one-shot band consisting of members of Lush, Moose and the
Cocteau Twins, who recorded one song (an homage to their favorite football
team) for a flexi in an English music magazine. For die-hard collectors only.

Nothing"?
"Threw a Day". The last track is "Claire Hates Me", as advertised.

"Half-Life" by Pale Saints?
unnanounced extra tracks on British singles is that the chart rules in the UK
specify that a "single" can only contain four songs. If a band wants to have a
fifth song, without having the single considered a more expensive
"mini-album", they just don't officially put it on.

Dolphin"; the Belly EP compilation; Lush's "Superblast" EP (containing two
other already-released tracks); and Natures Mortes-Still Lives, the
compilation from 1982 (produced for Japan with 500 imported back to the UK.)

Our Breath") that preceded their first album. The tracks are:
Slowdive
Avalyn 1
Morningrise
She Calls
Losing Today
Shine
Albatross
Missing are the instrumental "Avalyn 2" (essential!) and "Golden Hair" (yes,
the James Joyce / Syd Barret song.) This disc was rereleased as a freebie
included in the UK limited edition of their "Souvlaki" album.

(repeating the line "Did I dream you dreamed about me")?
that bit...


WHATEVER HAPPENED TO...


Spirea X: Left 4AD and disappeared utterly.

Pale Saints: Singer/bassist Ian Masters left in late '93 to form Spoonfed
Hybrid, who have an album out on Guernica. The rest of the band have recruited
a bass player from the Heart Throbs and will have a new album out later in
'94.

Cup Theme and of course the "M.A.R.R.S" collaboration with A R Kane.

A R Kane: Moved to Rough Trade, but haven't really released anything new in
several years (besides the "Americana" compilation on Luaka Bop.) Rudy is
still doing remixes for other bands.

Frasier Chorus: Moved to Virgin, then faded away after a few albums.

Dif Juz: The members are scattered among the UK and USA. Richard
Thomas had a stint with J&MC then Moose, and now Butterfly Child.
Their non 4AD output was limited to a mini-album "Who Says So"
and a chaotic tape of demos "Time Clock Turn Back" from the Pleasantly
Surprised series. An album of unreleased stuff was planned by
Independent Project Records, but it never came to pass.

Modern English: Left 4AD, recorded Stop Start, from which the minor
hit "Ink and Paper" comes, then resurfaced a few years later with
the TVT album "Pillow Lips" featuring a new version of their biggest
hit "I Melt With You". They toured and then dove back into obscurity.

stuff, plus formed other bands.

Ash / Campling: Leave for Beggars Banquet as Tones On Tail.

J / Halkett: Part of the Bauhaus splinters, David J follows
Daniel Ash into Love And Rockets after this, as well as releasing solo albums.

The Happy Family: After one album and single, Nick Currie went on
to form Momus.

Cocteau Twins: Left 4AD for Fontana and Capitol.


Phil) as Air Miami.


Rema Rema: Various members went on to form Mass, then The Wolfgang Press.


In Camera: Keyboardist Mark Cox joins The Wolfgang Press. A retrospective
containing all their stuff was co-released by 4AD and TeenBeat.
[note in the last two, I may be thinking of Andrew Gray instead of Mark Cox]


Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares: About the individual women from the
4AD recordings, who knows; but the current choir now officially tours
under the same name and have released three or four further albums.

The Birthday Party: Nick Cave goes solo. Other member(s?) join
other groups.

(Clan Of) Xymox: Left 4AD for Wing. "Twist of Shadows" is released,
then "Phoenix" and Ronny Moorings is left by himself for the two
recent travesties.

Lydia Lunch: Several albums on another label.

Matt Johnson: Forms The The who have a bunch of albums.

Gilbert / Lewis: Wire plus various other projects.

Colin Newman: Wire, Wir, three solo albums. Continues to remain active.

Pieter Nooten: Reportedly working with singer Toni Halliday (ex-Curve) on a
new band called Bud -- nothing released yet as of this writing.

Bettie Serveert: Released another album on some other label.

This Mortal Coil: The project was dissolved after the release of "Blood".

Ultra Vivid Scene: Was booted off 4AD for spending too much money on
session musicians and after the sales of "Rev" and the supporting tour
weren't outstanding. Note: this is a fairly well established rumor
that may not be the entire truth.

Underground Lovers: Had a new single recently in Australia and
presumably have a new album coming out.

Xmal Deutschland: Had two non-4AD albums then disappeared. One member
tuened up in The Rossburger Report, a group Ivo was going to sign,
then backed out on.

My Captains: An unconfirmed rumor has one member selling off a box
of mint copies of their single in a recent Melody Maker ad.

This leaves only the following groups. Anything about them
has been lost in obscurity.
Bearz
C.V.O.
Dance Chapter
The Fast Set
The Past Seven Days
Psychotic Tanks
Red Atkins
Shox
Sort Sol
Spasmodic Caress


COMPILATIONS

Dead Can Dance, This Mortal Coil, Throwing Muses, Dif Juz and more.) In
addition to the usual LP, CD, cassette and videocassette versions, there is a
limited-edition LP with a sleeve of mind-blowing complexity and beauty
(according to those who've seen it.) There is even an extremly limited wooden
box version. Only 100 were made, and if you ever find one, expect to pay at
least $800 for it. Brant Nelson says "there's one near where I live and the
owner wants over $2000!"
Album track listing:
1. Colourbox - "Hot Doggie"
2. This Mortal Coil - "Acid, Bitter and Sad"
3. Dead Can Dance - "Frontier"
4. Throwing Muses - "Fish"
5. Wolfgang Press - "Cut The Tree"
6. Cocteau Twins - "Crushed"
7. Dif Juz - "No Motion"
8. Clan of Xymox - "Muscoviet Mosquito"
9. Dead Can Dance - "The Protagonist"
The video includes the same tracks, in the order: 3, 6, 2, 4, 8, 5, 1, 7, 9.

promotional release only to mark 4AD joining with Warner Bros. It was sent to
radio stations, stores and the press and was never  available for purchase. It
contains two CDs; one of older material, one of new material:
    Liliput 1
Bauhaus - Dark Entries
The The - Controversial Subject
The Birthday Party - Nick The Stripper
Modern English - I Melt With You
This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren
Xmal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus II
Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker
Xymox - Stranger
Colourbox - Baby, I Love You So
Throwing Muses - Hate My Way
Dif Juz - No Motion
M/A/R/R/S - Pump Up The Volume
Ultra Vivid Scene - Mercy Seat
Dead Can Dance - The Host Of Seraphim
Pixies - Monkey Gone To Heaven
Lush - De-luxe
    Lilliput 2
Pale Saints - Throwing Back The Apple
Pale Saints - Featherframe
The Wolfgang Press - A Girl Like You
The Wolfgang Press - Birmingham
Michael Brook - Breakdown
Michael Brook - Urbana
Spirea X - Chlorine Dream
Spirea X - Signed D.C
Heidi Berry - Gloria
His Name Is Alive - Are We Still Married?
Swallow - Tastes Like Honey
Swallow - Follow Me Down
Tintwistle Brass Band - A Thousand Stars Burst Open (Top secret track!
    a brass arrangement of the Pale Saints tune, previously found on the
    free single given away with the vinyl of In Ribbons.)

Copies have been sighted in used record stores for up to $100. Good luck
finding one.

to stores and radio stations. Copies were also given out at the CMJ shows
last year.
Track listing:
The Wolfgang Press             sucker m.f. (remix)
    remixed by Martyn Young (M.A.R.R.S./Colourbox)
Swallow                        lovesleep
Red House Painters             michael
Throwing Muses                 pearl
Lush                           nothing natural
Spirea X                       chlorine dream
Belly                          dusted
His Name is Alive              the dirt eaters
Michael Brook                  shona bridge
The Breeders                   do you love me now?
Pale Saints                    blue flower
The Birthday Party             sonny's burning
Modern English                 melt with you
Pixies                         u-mass
...plus a hidden bonus track:
This Mortal Coil               Song To The Siren


Republic) from Independent Project Records in Sedona, AZ. (Trivia: what 4AD
song mentions this town?) In typical Licher fashion, eight different color
combinations were printed. The CD holder is entirely cardboard, with a
fold-out insert containing the CD. 4AD plans on periodically releasing these
retail samplers which will  probably include a hidden track on each one.
Belly - Feed The Tree
Ultra Vivid Scene - Blood And Thunder
Frank Black - Los Angeles
Heidi Berry - The Moon And The Sun
Red House Painters - Rollercoaster
Dead Can Dance - The Carnival Is Over
His Name Is Alive - In Every Ford
Unrest - Teenage Suicide
Underground Lovers - Promenade
This Mortal Coil - You And Your Sister
Matt Johnson - Another Boy Drowning
Dance Chapter - Anonymity (hidden track)

  Lush                    - Desire Lines (demo)
  Kristin Hersh           - Your Ghost (demo)
  Red House Painters      - Mistress (remix)
  Underground Lovers      - Your Eyes (remix)
  The Wolfgang Press      - Peace On Fire
  Unrest                  - Where Are All Those Puerto Rican Boys?
  The Breeders            - Invisible Man (demo)
  Bettie Serveert         - Totally Freaked Out
  Brendan Perry           - Happy Time
  Heidi Berry             - Firefly
  Pale Saints             - One Blue Hill (demo)
  His Name Is Alive       - The Time Falling Bodies Take To Light
  Ultra Vivid Scene       - This Is The Way (part 2)
The video:
   1. the breeders - cannonball
   2. unrest - isabel
   3. pixies - dig for fire/allison
   4. frank black - los angeles
   5. bettie serveert - tom boy
   6. the wolfgang press - kansas
   7. his name is alive - are we still married?
   8. his name is alive - lip
   9. his name is alive - can't go wrong without you
  10. this mortal coil - late night
  11. micheal brook - breakdown
  12. heidi berry - the moon and the sun
  13. red house painters - 24
  14. throwing muses - counting backwards
  15. pale saints - blue flower
  16. swallow - ocean and blue skies
  17. lush - superblast
  18. ultra vivid scene - blood and thunder
The poster: was given out free to everyone who bought the third 4AD poster set
(FAD23) at the festival.

  red house painters: summer dress
  wolfgang press: people say
  lisa germano: cry wolf
  pale saints: one blue hill
  kendra smith: bold marauder
  air miami: airplane rider
  heidi berry: the mountain
  dead can dance: rakim
This is almost identical to the "All Virgos Are Mad" compilation, except for
the RHP track..

their first CD release. It has a variety of stuff from "Garlands" through
"Treasure". The more obscure things on it are:
    - A version of "Wax and Wane" with a much heavier drum sound
    - "Millimillenary" (from a limited edition compilation tape called
          "Department Of Enjoyment", released by NME)
As far as we know it is out of print. Copies still show up in used bins,
however.

(list member and Dewdrops (4AD fanzine) editor.) It consists of 13 bands
covering 13 songs originally released on 4AD. It may be ordered from Brant at
Dewdrops, 1817 Corinth Ave. #10, Los Angeles, CA 90025-5567. The US price is
$11.50 which includes postage. Make checks payable to Brant Nelson.
For more info, see the FAQ file on Dewdrops.
The Moon Seven Times - Michelle (Xymox)
Hover - When I Was A Painter (The Breeders)
immer essen - Not In Love (Ultra Vivid Scene)
Livia - Mizake The Mizan (Cocteau Twins)
Red Zoo - 5/10 (Colin Newman)
Independent Mechanical Industry - Swing Like A Baby (The Wolfgang Press)
GLE - Hate My Way (Throwing Muses)
Clarity - Saltarello (Dead Can Dance)
Orange - Gigantic (Pixies)
The Gosh Guys - Where Is My Mind (Pixies)
Floral Majority - Blue Flower (Pale Saints)
Firecracker - There's Something Between Us... (His Name Is Alive)
Tel Basta - I Melt With You (Modern English)

  1) The Wolfgang Press "Big Sex"
  2) A.R. Kane "Lolita"
  3) Throwing Muses "Chains Changed"
  4) Frazier Chorus "Sloppy Heart"
  5) M/A/R/R/S "Pump Up the Volume"


DISCOGRAPHY / GROUPOGRAPHY

labels?
AR Kane
Daniel Ash / Glen Campling
Bauhaus
Bearz
Belly
Heidi Berry
The Birthday Party
Frank Black
Breeders
Michael Brook
Budd / Fraser / Guthrie / Raymonde
C.V.O.
(Clan Of) Xymox
Cocteau Twins
Colourbox
Dance Chapter
Dead Can Dance
Dif Juz
The Fast Set
Frazier Chorus
Rene Halkett / David J
The Happy Family
Kristen Hersh
His Name Is Alive
Rowland Howard / Lydia Lunch
In Camera
Matt Johnson
G. Lewis / B.C. Gilbert
Lydia Lunch
Lush
M/A/R/R/S
Mass
Modern English
My Captains
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares
Colin Newman
Pieter Nooten / Michael Brook
Pale Saints
The Past Seven Days
Pixies
Psychotic Tanks
Red Atkins
Red House Painters
Rema Rema
Richenel
Bettie Serveert
Shox
Sort Sol
Spasmodic Caress
Spirea X
Swallow
The The
This Mortal Coil
Throwing Muses
Ultra Vivid Scene
Underground Lovers
Unrest
The Wolfgang Press
Xmal Deutschland

mid-1987. Various more up to date ones have been printed in Melody Maker,
Spiral Scratch, and Dewdrops. For the most up to date information, check  page
2 or 3 of Dewdrops or consult...

down to track listings and personnel) maintained by list member Lars Magne
Ingebrigtsen . You can send queries to it by e-mail, and the
source code is also available for Unix systems. Eyesore is also available on
the WorldWideWeb, via the Mosaic client program: the URL is:
    http://isvpc146.isv.uit.no/eyesore.html



OTHER 4AD QUESTIONS

4AD. Ivo originally named the label "Axis" but someone else already held the
trademark so he had to change it in a hurry.

president, the guy who decides what bands to sign based on how cool he thinks
they are. He has also produced a few records (such as the Cocteau Twins'
"Garlands") and is the driving force of This Mortal Coil (he selects the
songs, writes some of them, selects the musicians and singers, plays some
keyboards, and produces.)

song of the same name.

and Nigel Grierson (photography), who designed the artwork for almost all 4AD
releases until 1987. Vaughan Oliver now continues on his own as v23,
collaborating with Chris Bigg, Simon Larbalestier and others.

WAD 23: A set of posters released in 1986.
XAD 23: Another set of posters, from 1990.
PAD 23: A set of postcards (released in 1986, re-released in 1992.)
PAD 905: A set of eight Pixies postcards of the photos from Doolittle.
XAD 001: A 1990 calendar.
below)
A v23 Exhibition/Exposition book ???INFO???
There are many other posters. 4AD prints them for nearly every release.
We have no guidelines or hints on where to find them.

Clan Of Xymox - Clan Of Xymox
Cocteau Twins - Tiny Dynamine / Echoes In A Shallow Bay
Cocteau Twins - Aikea Guinea
Cocteau Twins - Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops
Cocteau Twins - Sunburst And Snowblind
Cocteau Twins - Treasure
Cocteau Twins - Victorialand
Colourbox - Colourbox
Modern English - Someone's Calling
Modern English - Ricochet Days
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - Volume 1
Richenel - l'Esclave Endormi
This Mortal Coil - Sixteen Days - Gathering Dust
This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears
Xmal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus II

Cocteau Twins - Peppermint Pig
Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels
Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels / Sunburst And Snowblind
Cocteau Twins - Treasure
Cocteau Twins - The Pink Opaque
Cocteau Twins - Victorialand
Colourbox - Colourbox
Colourbox - Baby I Love You So
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - Volume 1
Modern English - Ricochet Days
This Mortal Coil - I'll End In Tears
Richenel - l'Esclave Endormi

The Breeders - Pod
Dead Can Dance - Aion
His Name Is Alive - Livonia
Lush - Sweetness And Light
Lush - Mad Love
Lush - Scar
Pale Saints - The Comforts Of Madness
Pixies - Gigantic
Pixies - Here Comes Your Man
Pixies - Velouria
Pixies - Bossanova
Pixies - Dig For Fire
Throwing Muses - House Tornado (UK)
Ultra Vivid Scene - Joy 1967-1990
Ultra Vivid Scene - Ultra Vivid Scene

Heidi Berry - Chris Bigg artwork, not sure what album it's from
TMC - Blood
Swallow - Blow
HNIA - Home Is In Your Head
Heidi Berry - Love
Belly - Star, inside artwork from one the "Gepetto" singles
Frank Black - s/t
Michael Brook - Cobalt Blue
RHP - Down Colourful Hill
Lush - Black Spring EP
The Breeders - Safari
Pixies - Trompe Le Monde
Also includes the 13-Year-Itch poster listing all the bands/dates




signed to 4AD: e.g. Bettie Serveert, Underground Lovers. Unrest's "Imperial
FFRR" was released on Guernica but their later releases were on the 4AD
mothership. (Tidbit: All of the vinyl Guernica releases so far include a 7"
with additional tracks along with the LP.)

 AXIS = first four 7" singles
   AD = 7" single
  CAD = LP
  DAD = Double LP
  BAD = EP (up to four listed songs, more may be hidden or unlisted)
  HAD = (Used only once, for the UK reissue of "Burning Blue Soul", possibly
         a sarcastic reference to the Kollektor Skum who had to buy it due to
         the new artwork on the reissue.)
  JAD = (only used twice, Birthday Party / Lydia Lunch live mini album
         and Lush's Scar EP)
  MAD = Mini-album (more than four songs)
  PAD = Postcard Set
  TAD = Temporary release: only one pressing*
  VAD = Video cassette
  WAD = Poster Set
  XAD = Poster Set or Calendar
  The letters CD appended indicate a compact disc,
  and CS indicates a cassette. An appended D indicates a double
  or special limited release.
*There have been only four "TAD" releases: Throwing Muses' "The Curse",
Swallow's "Blowback", Michael Brook's "Live_at_the_Aquarium", and Lisa
Germano's "Inconsiderate Bitch".
The numbers indicate the year and release sequence. In a three-digit number
(used through 1989), the first digit is the last digit of the year; in a
four-digit number (used since 1990), the first two digits are the number of
years since 1990. The last two digits are always the ordinal number of that
release in that year (1 means the first 4AD release of that year, 12 means the
twelfth.)
There are a few exceptions. The "13 Year Itch" CD is numbered "(shuffle)".
Other funny numbers belong to non-musical releases; see above.
Promo releases are numbered oddly -- the alphabetic part is usually an
abbreviation of the band's name, and the numbers are sequential across promos
by that band. There may be a "CD" suffix indicating a CD release, but not all
CD promos have it. Thus,TMC 1 CD Is the first This Mortal Coil promo CD, Pix 3
is the third Pixies promo.
There is also the grey area of freebies.HNAI 1 was given out at record stores
(7"), kh1 (CD) given out with initial copies of Red Heaven(CD),KH2 was given
away by postal application, etc etc.


MAIL

   UK Office : 15 Alma Road, London, SW18 1AA

      Parasol:   202 S. First, Champaign IL 61820 USA (217)355-2555
      Vinyl Ink: 955 Bonifant St. Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA (301)588-4695

thislisty/dance/noise product. They're not the quickest (they don't always
have everything in stock and may have to re-order from a distributor) but the
selection is excellent. For a catalog, send mail to
    ear-rational@xmission.com
with subject "catalog-ascii". The catalog will include directions on how to
order.
  If you're looking for used stuff (or have stuff to sell), try the Used Music
List. Write to  with subject "HELP".

. (Or 1817 Corinth Ave. #10, Los Angeles, CA
90025-5567.)
Dewdrops has its own FAQ, which is available separately from 4AD-L archives
via FTP (see above for FTP info.)


Ray Gun
807 Navy St., Santa Monica CA 90405
$25 a year (10 issues)
A professional-quality magazine with really odd, experimental (some say
unreadable) layout. Covers a wide variety of "alternative" music. The recent
"UK" issue was amazing, with coverage of just about every English thislisty
band you can think of.

Warped Reality
c/o Andrea Feldman
PO Box 2515, Providence, RI 02906
Issues are $2.50 ppd. in the US, payable to Andrea Feldman.
"We're a new magazine of uncommon art and music. The first issue had
interviews
illustrator Maira Kalman.
  "The second issue will be coming out in another week or so, and will have
interviews with: Kristin Hersh, Chris Bigg of v23, The Breeders, Miranda Sex
Garden, Big Hat, Opium Den, and a review of the 13 year itch."

  Dreampop-L
  [ListServ@netcom.com, put "subscribe dreampop-L" in the message body]
  "DREAMPOP-L is an open, unmoderated discussion list for anyone
   interested in this type of music.  As a point of reference, bands
   like My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, The Boo Radleys, Swervedriver,
   Lush, Pale Saints, Lilys, Catherine Wheel and Spiritualized are a
   sampling of the sounds that are discussed.  The topic is not limited
   to these bands and open-minded ideas and insightful opinions are
   highly encouraged although "flaming" should be kept to private e-mail."

  The Indie-List
  [Write a nice letter to Sean Murphy at ]
  Devoted to music on independent labels, mostly small US bands that release
  a lot of stuff on 7"s. Unrest, Sebadoh, Eggs, Tsunami, The Dambuilders...
  Twice-weekly digest format means lots of info, little chit-chat or
  flamage. Can at first produce feelings of dizziness upon reading page after
  page about bands you've never heard of.

  The UK-Indie-List
  [uk-indie-request@cs.nott.ac.uk]
  Covers the UK independent scene, from thislisty stuff through the Wonder
  Stuff, Morrisey, Pop Will Eat Itself ... In practice this seems too broad
  for good conversation, and 4AD-L'ers who've tried this list haven't been
  too impressed.

  The New Music [aka Noise Music] List
  [Mail majordomo@xmission.com, with body "subscribe nm-list-digest "]
  NM-List is one of the net's oldest mailing lists dedicated to "New Music"
  discussion.  Topics are generally oriented towards experimental, noise, or
  cutting edge music. Overlaps with 4AD-L include My Bloody Valentine,
  Warren DeFever's noise side projects, and some ambient music.

  Subbacultcha
  [listserv@cs.mcgill.ca; body should be "sub subbacultcha " + your name]
  Covers the whole Pixies / Throwing Muses / Belly / Breeders thang.

  The Eno-List
  [eno-L-requests@noc.pue.udlap.mx]
  Brian Eno, the man, the music, the production work, the legend.
  Comes out in a daily digest; usually around 10 messages a day.

  The David Sylvian List
  [listserv@gu.uwa.edu.au; body should be "sub sylvian " + your name]
  As you can guess, this list is for discussing the music of David
  Sylvian, Japan, and the many collaborations those members have been
  involved in.  There are discographies and lyrics available as well.

  The Durutti Column List
  [durutti-list-request@ch.hp.com]

  The Ambient List
  [ambient-request@hyperreal.com; put "subscribe" in the body.]
  Ambient music of all flavors, although focusing mostly on the techno
  variety. Local gods include Richard D James (Aphex Twin, Polygon Window),
  Pete Namlook, and in fact anything on Warp, Fax, Rephlex, Rising High...

  Touched, the Cindytalk list
  [touched-request@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk]
  Covers the band Cindytalk, best known to 4ADers as the home of Gordon
  Sharp, who sang on the first This Mortal Coil album and on the Cocteau
  Twins '82 Peel Sessions.

  Dewy Fields, the Bel Canto list
  [dewy-fields-request@ifi.uio.no]

    http://isvpc146.isv.uit.no/eyesore.html       (The Eyesore database)
    http://garnet.berkeley.edu:8080/cocteau.html  (Cocteau Twins)
    http://www.nets.com/dcd                       (Dead Can Dance)
    http://sparrow.bio.indiana.edu/brian/seefeel  (Seefeel)
    http://www.acns.nwu.edu/eno-l                 (Brian Eno)
    http://www.nando.net/music/gm/Breeders/       (Official Breeders page)
    http://gothic.acs.csulb.edu:8080/Siouxsie/index.html  (Siouxsie)

==============================================================================

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:25:36 GMT
From: Adrian E Wake (aew@DATAWRIGHT.CO.UK)
Subject: 4AD promo


> Secondly, I think Four-Calendar Cafe is quite good.  There are
>several excellent songs on it.  It's definitely even more
>lightweight-sounding than anything else they've done, but this is not
>a bad thing.  It merely means that the subtlety factor is increased
>another degree.  I was at first a little disappointed with it, then I
>came round to it and thought it was their best album since
>Victorialand, now I've recently rediscovered the 2 albums BBK and
>HOLV between those two, and I don't think I hold that opinion
anymore.  But I certainly don't regard FCC as 'very poor'.~

I was especially dissapointed in FCC because a friendly record shop
got me a promo-copy 2 weeks before release because they new I was a
big CTs fan. Every CT's album before this I had played to death from
the very first moment but after playing this FCC once I didn't feel
much like playing it again. I left it for a day and played it again
but, apart from a couple of tracks on side 2, I felt the magic had
gone.~

Anyway on to happier topics. I purchased on Sunday, from a record
fair, a CD called _The Forgotten 4AD Tracks_. This was a CT
compilation with tracks from many of there singles and also the rare
tracks :~
               DIALS~
               CRUSHED~
               HIGH MONKEY MONK~
               MIZAKE THE MIZEN~
               WATCHLAR~
There is also an instumental version of Oomingmak. All the tracks
appear to have been digitally remastered.  Is this common?  I had
never heard of or seen it before.~

Adrian~


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:48:53 -0500
From: TOM HOMULKA (THOMULKA@SPL.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses (Chicago)


One addition to the list of tour dates for Throwing Muses: they'll be
playing April 15 at The Vic (in Chicago).  Tickets are $13.50, opening
band is Ass Ponys.  Show starts at 7:30pm (doors open at 6:30pm).

Tom
thomulka@spl.mhs.compuserve.com

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:20:16 -0800
From: daktari at The Yak (daktari@YAK.NET)
Subject: Re: ...i need an AVAM video...

              at Mar 6, 95 00:08:31 am

hi...i think i saw a AVAM video in Aron's records last week!
so run run run to see if some poo poo head took it!
byeeee

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:27:37 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: what not to do on wednesday night


Kendra Smith is playing her second show in seven years
at Aron's Records in Los Angeles this Wednesday night
March 8 at 7:00 pm. I won't see you there.
(Hey Thad and Martin, want to drive out for this one? :) )

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:48:48 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Reviews: PJH / Null & Plotkin / Kronos & Glass / Hitchcock

              "Harris, Warren" ,
              "Rowe, Matt" 

Some hasty reviews:

P J Harvey "To Bring You My Love" (Island)

This is quickly falling into that bin of CDs that are good but which don't
hold my interest. Something in the change of style/ instrumentation/
production from her first two albums has lost me in the translation; it
doesn't yank me to my feet and slap me in the face the way "Dress" or
"Man-Sized" or "Easy" do.
To go into a bit more detail: She's no longer using her backup band, rather a
variety of musicians on different tracks, and the instruments are more varied.
The songs are more subtle, less intense than before. There aren't many of
those great Cap'n Beefheart-style twisted guitar lines. I won't say she's
going downhill artistically, just that her current style doesn't interest me
as much as the older stuff did.

Kazuyuki K Null / James Plotkin "Aurora" (Sentrax)

Ambient guitar music, but as far from Windham Hill as you can get. Null and
Plotkin enlist a lot of distortion and looping, as well loved by all of us,
but with different end results than MBV, Seefeel or the Cocteaux (to name a
few). The atmosphere here is slow, dark, solemn and disturbing, and the only
beats are occasional clanging or looping.
The titles of the tracks should make the intention pretty clear: "Drowning In
Air", "Sawtooth Swirl", "Lost", "Dead Moon Ritual", et cetera.
Fans of dark ambient or of textural guitar noise will dig this. If you've
heard the different mix of "Lost" on the "Isolationism" compilation (the first
track), the full album is similar in style and just as good.

Robyn Hitchcock "Black Snake Diamond Role" (Rhino)

At long last Robyn's back catalog is being reissued, and this is his first and
best solo album, recorded just after the Soft Boys broke up in 1980.
Psychedelic pop music just doesn't get any better, and anyone with a fondness
for Syd Barrett, for silly stream of consciousness lyrics, or for odd guitar
solos absolutely _needs_ to own this album.
  "It was in the city of shapes
   That she made love to several apes
   She felt weird for a couple of days,
   Pretty soon she got used to their ways..."
What's even better (unless you're einexile), several hard to find B-sides have
been tacked onto the end, including -- yes! -- "Happy The Golden Prince", a
bizarre and touching spoken-word fairy tale with guitar accompaniment and a
level of blatant sexual symbolism that would've driven Freud into a coma.

"Kronos Quartet Plays Philip Glass" (Elektra/Nonesuch)

This includes the two Glass string quartets that Kronos have already recorded
("Company" from their eponymous debut, and the quartet pieces from "Mishima")
as well as two long newer pieces. I haven't been paying much attention to
either Kronos or Glass lately (having been turned off by, respectively, "Black
Angels" and "Powaqqatsi") but this is the best I've heard by either of them in
atonal/noisy than most recent Kronos.
I'd almost venture to say that the string quartet form is ideal for Glass'
across when played on keyboards, while everything isn't blurred into mush as
it is by a large orchestra.
If you haven't seriously listened to any Philip Glass, this would be a great
place to start. It's very accessible, with some beautiful melodies, but also
driving and rhythmic. The closest equivalent in the 4AD canon that I can think
of is Dead Can Dance's "The Protagonist" (from "Lonely Is An Eyesore") which
is definitely a Glass homage...

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

                   Eustace had read only the wrong books.
         They had a lot to say about exports and imports and drains,
                       but they were weak on dragons.
                               (C. S. Lewis)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:15:29 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: cyber-freedoms petition: sign & pass on


Sorry if this has been cleared up. I had been ignoring the thread but I
think I've read it all now. From what I understand, the bill died in
committee. Maybe someday soon we'll all live in a really radical society
where people are actually expected to keep their own children out of the
porn closet. Ha, wouldn't that be right out of a bad science fiction
novel?

 einexile

as nice as the album. Who exactly is T. Gorman, and why would *anyone*
want to write music with him?

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:44:01 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: slowguys lyrics...


well i have the new-
super-coolio-for-real-fromtheband
slowdive lyrics...
in the looooooong mail message there
are all the lyrics for _just for a day_
_blue day_, _souvlaki_, _outside your room_,
and _5ep_ ( 'in mind' )... so if i sent you
the other lyrics and you havent gotten
the just for a day lyrics, then please write to
me again, because they are all together now (no slowdive
reference intended)... so if you want ALL of them
please write (again)... thanks.


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:08:08 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...i need an AVAM video...


> hi...i think i saw a AVAM video in Aron's records last week!
> so run run run to see if some poo poo head took it!
> byeeee

  because of the powers that be, i can't just run up to
  hollywood and buy it. i don't even think the brakes in the
  car would last that far, to tell you the truth...

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:13:08 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: cyber-freedoms petition: sign & pass on


> Ob4AD: Just got Now They'll Sleep in the mail. Nice art, but not nearly
> as nice as the album. Who exactly is T. Gorman, and why would *anyone*
> want to write music with him?

  gee, e...isn't mr. gorman in the band?


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:37:51 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Th'Faith Healers, Throwing Muses

              "gks@MANTA.MOD.DSTO.GOV.AU" at Mar 7, 95 09:11:45 am

gks@MANTA.MOD.DSTO.GOV.AU wrote:
>
> The guitarist from Th' Faith Healers has formed a new band called
> Quickspace Supersport. There is a single out, has anybody heard it ?
>

No.  More Th'FH news - Joe Dilworth *is* on Polly Harvey's new album,
but only on one track.

Volume 13 is out this week, and contains a new song by Throwing Muses -
"Hillbilly", an outtake from "University".  It's not a bad song, but the
vocals are recorded quite badly.  The music (though not the vocals)
reminds me a bit of "Mania", that sort of high-speed edgy rattle, almost
like the Fall.  Only other things on the compilation which are
interesting at first sight are a Boo Radleys demo, Nova Mob doing an old
Husker Du song (sadly they miss a great opportunity and do one of Grant's
rather than one of Bob's), and Edwyn Collins and Bernard Butler doing
Orange Juice's "In a Nutshell".  There is a lot of stuff I hadn't heard
of before, though, and I haven't listened to most of it yet.

Select has a tape on the cover this month, with a new Stereolab track,
"Seeperbold".  Repetitious and a bit throwaway, but not bad.  Where's
that bloody compilation of obscure stuff they have been promising us for
the last year?

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 07/03/95
On my walkman this morning : Autechre - Garbage
Man's yesterday may ne'er be like his morrow;

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:04:21 PST
From: "Lucretia, my reflection... dance the ghost with me." <"FAB9::SGARCIA"@INTEL9.INTEL.COM>
Subject: Re: CT "lyrics"


I have a few ideas about CT lyrics...
The Los Angeles Times Calendar section quoted Sugar Hiccup as

"Sugar Hiccup on Cherio... Sugar Hiccup"

It sounds good to me so does, "sugar hiccup, makes the air stop and tumble,
sugar hiccup, makes the crystal run smooth"

And I swear she is saying...
"It's the chocolate, it is the chocolate on my tooth, it's the spangle, it
is the spangle maker"

in the spangle maker

or "Rows of pearly dew drops drops... (unintelligable) watch the pearly dew
drops drops... it's the salt in my tears, salt in my tears"

anyone think I'm crazy yet?  Any one else have any ideas?  Tell me if you think
i'm totally off.

-Garland

sgarcia@intel9.intel.com   -or-
garland@thelair.zynet.com


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:33:24 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: dancing belly


On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

> > Ob4AD: Just got Now They'll Sleep in the mail. Nice art, but not nearly
> > as nice as the album. Who exactly is T. Gorman, and why would *anyone*
> > want to write music with him?
>
>   gee, e...isn't mr. gorman in the band?

Yeah, but so are the other two. At least _they_ *know* they're really
just flunkies. I think ol Tanya has gone and pulled an Eldritch on us.
"I'm sucha great songnwriter, I can write decent music with ANYONE!"

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...Belly, _Vision Thing_.

 e


Anyway, her own songs aren't so hot either this time around...

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:14:23 GMT
From: Pauli Markkanen (p.markkanen@IC.AC.UK)
Subject: G.Greenwood

              Mar 7, 95 2:33 am

Am I missing something?

At the time Star came out, I thought I saw photos of Gail Greenwood playing
bass with them as she does now, but on the album credits it says 'Fred Abong'.

Can someone please pull me out of this mindwarp?

Pauli
pmarkk@ae.ic.ac.uk

' 'Curiouser and curiouser,'  said Alice.'


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:49:26 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: G.Greenwood

              95 11:14:23 am

Pauli Markkanen  wrote:

> Am I missing something?
>
> At the time Star came out, I thought I saw photos of Gail Greenwood
> playing bass with them as she does now, but on the album credits it
> says 'Fred Abong'.
>

Fred was long gone by the time the album was released - it was recorded
before the "Gepetto" and "Feed the Tree" EPs, which is why the B-sides
on those EPs feature Leslie Langston and others on bass.  At the time
the album was released, I think Leslie was playing with them when they
appeared live (I certainly remember seeing her on a TV show with them).
Not sure when exactly Gail joined, but it wasn't very long after that.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 07/03/95
On my walkman this morning : Autechre - Garbage
Man's yesterday may ne'er be like his morrow;

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:04:38 UTC+0200
From: Juan Santana (jsantana@UGR.ES)
Subject: old digests


Thanks for the information about the old digest, but I'm afraid that what I
really wanted to know is how to subscribe to the digest verstion of the 4ad-list
ather than how to get old digest. Can you help me out with this one? Thanks.

Juan Santana


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:10:48 -0500
From: SCSI Master (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Lorelei?


Does the Wash, DC band Lorelei have any new material out?

I heard a song on the radio today that I'd never heard before...

curious

Keith
                      *************************************
                                 Keith Richmond
                             keith@dgvis.er.usgs.GOV

                  "What the HELL is this FLORAL MAJORITY crap?" - G
                      *************************************

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:29:46 -0500
From: Jason Eugene Heindl (JEHEINDL%AMHERST.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lorelei?


The latest thing I've seen from Lorelei is on the Slumberland comp.
_Why Popstars Can't Dance_.  The two songs there are "Stop What You're Doing"
and "Float My Bed."  "Float My Bed" is also the b-side on the 7-inch for
"Mostly I Just Sleep."

hope it helps

jason eugene

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:17:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUQ39@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: coupla questions


a few questions i wish somebody could help me with:

1)  i was listening to my cassette copy of "star" the other day and noticed
    that on the card, some of the lyrics were switched - "stay" was where
    "full moon, empty heart" should have been, and vice versa.  this is like
    this on everyone's card, right?

2)  are the tracks on lisa germano's "inconsiderate bitch" different versions
    than as they appear on "happiness"?

3)  okay, we've sorta solved the v23 mystery.  anyone want to take a stab at
    this  300/500 thing?


                                        - endless mike


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:30:07 CST
From: Errand Boy (CTSUI@ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Slowdive's _Pygmalion_...help!


I figured that I wouldn't have any problems acquiring a copy of
_Pygmalion_, as I thought that Parasol would get it.  Well, they did
get a copy, but even though I mailed my check the day I received the
catalog update, I still missed out.  They say also that they will be
unable to get any more copies of that album.

So, does anyone else know of any sources from which I might order a
copy?  I want one...desperately!

Please respond to me at my own address rather than 4AD-L....


       Another fine offering from Curt "Why, I oughta...." Tsui
                          CTSUI@acs.unt.edu

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:53:55 -0600
From: "Jeremy L. Orr" (jorr02@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: Throwing Muses (and a dig at Belly)


On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, TOM HOMULKA wrote:

> One addition to the list of tour dates for Throwing Muses: they'll be
> playing April 15 at The Vic (in Chicago).  Tickets are $13.50, opening
> band is Ass Ponys.  Show starts at 7:30pm (doors open at 6:30pm).

Has anyone heard these Ass Ponys?  If the name is any indication, I'd say
they're bound to be another one of the Muses' notoriously crap opening
bands.  Anyway, I'm hoping to go see the same show in Columbia MO on
April 8, so any info on this band would be appreciated.

And was it einexile who was saying that Tanya Donnelly's songs weren't so
hot this time around?  I agree - might as well be Juice Newton fronting
the Posies or some shit like that.  Sad.

Kneeling on the road to Graceland...

---Jeremy 

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:05:30 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: G.Greenwood


>> At the time Star came out, I thought I saw photos of Gail Greenwood
>> playing bass with them as she does now, but on the album credits it
>> says 'Fred Abong'.

>Fred was long gone by the time the album was released - it was recorded
>before the "Gepetto" and "Feed the Tree" EPs, which is why the B-sides
>on those EPs feature Leslie Langston and others on bass.  At the time
>the album was released, I think Leslie was playing with them when they
>appeared live (I certainly remember seeing her on a TV show with them).
>Not sure when exactly Gail joined, but it wasn't very long after that.

I saw Belly at a small show when Leslie was playing with them.  I wasn't
expecting her at all, and it was just heavenly music  :)

-matt

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:11:31 -0800
From: Christopher Michael Hanis (cmhanis@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Inconsiderate Bitch/300-500


As far as the Inconsiderate Bitch EP goes, I'd say it's probably only of
interest to completists and/or big Germano fans.  Most of the tracks are
only *slightly* scaled down and remixed from the original versions.  The
versions of the first three songs are *so* similar to the Happiness ones
that I'm not sure why Ivo even wanted to release them.  The treat for
those of us who dished out the cash for this EP is definitely the last
two songs.  There's an TMC-ish version of Sychophant with minimal
instrumentation--just Lisa's voice floating around in an echo chamber.
Quite eerie!  The last song, though, is definitely the prize on this EP.
It's a completely reworked version of You Make Me Want to Wear Dresses
(The Dresses Song) called (Late Night) Dresses.  This version is AMAZING!!!
It starts out with some of Lisa's studio chatter in the mix.  She even
changes a few lyrics (from the Capitol version, at least), making the
song even more effective.  One part being changed from "Love can be so
fragile" to "Look at me, so fragile."  This is definitely the definitive
version of that song!  The EP was worth it to me for that song alone, but
your mileage may vary.

As for the 300-500 found on some 4AD releases, it's a CD era replacement
of 45 or 33 1/3 rpm.  CD players rotate at an increasing speed as the
laser moves towards the outer edge.  As I seem to recall from another
discussion, the 300-500 rpm speed is not a very accurate estimate, but it
sure makes a fun design element.  Cheers to the clever buggers at v23!

Chris Hanis
cmhanis@teleport.com


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:52:35 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters?


This was sent to me, obviously meant for the list.
--------------------------------------------------
From: p.markkanen@ic.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Red House Painters?

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:59:20 gmt Good morning everyone. There seem to be rumours flying about that I have completely missed; does anyone have any decent details of the new RHP album, such as UK release date or any Limited Edition? Pauli -------------------------------------------------- -shill -- [][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us [] [] [] Network Specialist Voice:708-925-6273 William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030 [] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430 [][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:15:41 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: His Name Is Alive


        Since I've subscribed to this list, I've heard a lot about the
group His Name Is Alive, mostly rave reviews. Prior to this list, I had
never heard of them. What other 4AD band(s) to they resemble? Dead Can
Dance, maybe? Would anyone care to recommend an album by HNIA that would
serve as an introduction?


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:19:03 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: 4AD catalog in the US


        Does anyone know if you can order the 4AD catalog from their US
office in Los Angeles? I called their hotline but they didn't say
anything about it and I left a message with my number asking about it
but, of course, they didn't actually call back or anything. I've heard
from a couple of people that you can do that now, but I'd like to make
sure before I send them a request by mail.

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:36:38 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs


>
>hey 4ad-ers!
>        what's up?  this message has nothing to do with 4ad but i just
>wanted to know if you guys know anything about a song from the movie,
>"the silence of the lambs".  it's a song where buffalo bill was dancing
>to...like a rock tune but i don't know who sang it.  any help would be
>appreciated.  the movie didn't have a soundtrack only a score so let me
>know if you have any info!  thanks!!!

Well...actually, it has quite a lot to do with 4AD.  The song is "Alone" by
Wire...later covered by TMC...  It sort of flipped me out when I first saw the
movie.  The scene itself it very freaky, and then to have this song playing in
the background that sounds really, really familiar, but not completely, just
threw me!

Rick

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:52:02 -0500
From: Jon H Wichmann (jhwst9+@PITT.EDU)
Subject: Re: G.Greenwood


On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:
> >
>
> Fred was long gone by the time the album was released - it was recorded
> before the "Gepetto" and "Feed the Tree" EPs, which is why the B-sides
> on those EPs feature Leslie Langston and others on bass.  At the time
> the album was released, I think Leslie was playing with them when they
> appeared live (I certainly remember seeing her on a TV show with them).
> Not sure when exactly Gail joined, but it wasn't very long after that.
>
are you sure about this..
i know fred abong left early, but i have a video of belly
playing sometime in '92 with fred on bass..

j0n


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:05:24 -0500
From: peter raskolnikov (clovis@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: the dirt eaters(wcbn)


Sean, it is at Rick's Friday, March 10th.  Missed them at the Majestic in
Detroit last Saturday.  I'll be there...
Alive side project.  Sean can tell you more.  Clovis.

On Sat, 4 Mar 1995, Sean devine wrote:

> greetings-
>         the dirt eaters will be playing with several other bands at ricks
> in ann arbor next friday for a benefit for wcbn. if anyone is going,
> e-mail me and pehaps we can meet at the show.
>                         thanks in advance-se'an
> p.s.: i'm not sure if it is ricks or the blind pig.
>

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:16:48 -0500
From: peter raskolnikov (clovis@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs


Hey, Rick, funny you should ask about that particular song.  I have been
looking for it too.  I watched the credits and "alone" is by Colin
Newman.  After much searching I managed to find the album Colin Newman:
A-Z.  The Colin Newman version is the song covered by This Mortal Coil.
If you can find Colin Newman, get the early stuff--it is Bauhaus, Joy
Division, and possibly Sex Gang Children all rolled into one.  I hope I'm
doing this correctly, I am new to the 4ad list-server and computer
inept...Clovis.

On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Rick Stone wrote:

> >
> >hey 4ad-ers!
> >        what's up?  this message has nothing to do with 4ad but i just
> >wanted to know if you guys know anything about a song from the movie,
> >"the silence of the lambs".  it's a song where buffalo bill was dancing
> >to...like a rock tune but i don't know who sang it.  any help would be
> >appreciated.  the movie didn't have a soundtrack only a score so let me
> >know if you have any info!  thanks!!!
>
> Well...actually, it has quite a lot to do with 4AD.  The song is "Alone" by
> Wire...later covered by TMC...  It sort of flipped me out when I first saw the
> movie.  The scene itself it very freaky, and then to have this song playing in
> the background that sounds really, really familiar, but not completely, just
> threw me!
>
> Rick
>

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:08:46 -0800
From: "lushmuse@uci...i think last night, you were driving circles round me..."
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs


hey 4ad-ers!
        hey rick and peter!  thanks for your help in the silence of the
lambs' song.  wow, by wire, huh?  but the version in the movie is by
colin newman and is covered by this mortal coil?  wow, i have the boxed
set and have been listening to it for awhile and i didn't even realize
it!  wow, what a revelation!!!!!  i think i'll go home today and watch
the film!  thanks you guys so much!!


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:27:24 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: the dirteaters name is alive


  i wanted to make a few points...

  a. the dirteaters don't have anything out yet. so don't feel
     bad because you can't find their rekkid..it doesn't exist.
  b. the dirteaters, for those of you who still don't know, are
     melissa elliott's groop. denise james on vox, warren & mel
     on guitar, and damian on drums {?}..i think that's correct.
     karen neal was singing lead, live, for awhile but now denise
     has taken over. half the material on 'mouth by mouth' was
     intended for a separate dirteaters album, but ivo said "no"
     to that and warren put hnia/dirteaters stuff on one rekkid.
     they'll have their own album out in the future... {knock on
     wood :thunk thunk thunk:}
  c. as a starting point for newfound hnia fans/curious peoples,
     i think one should work from beginning to the present. so,
     you should try out their material in this order: the demo
     tapes {which i know most people do not have, but if you should
     ever come across 'em, it's a good starting point}, 'livonia',
     'home is in your head', 'the dirt eaters ep', 'mouth by mouth',
     'king of sweet', and then the live in mexico tape...
  d. no matter what photo of mine you look at, warren *always* has
     this clueless expression on his face...

  *k-j* ...will force jOHN to make music with me when i move...

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:29:19 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: attn. spiral


  i'd like to have those slowdive lyrics you posted about.
  i can't find your e-mail address so that's why i post here...


  *k-j* ...i never thought the words were 'chocolate on my tooth'...

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:07:42 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: Red House Painters " Ocean Beach " - my first impression


well, its alright.  but i am not a mega fan of Red House Painters.  9
given tracks, about 47 minutes long, i do recall.  and the last track
is split into two, there are a few seconds of silence before an
instrumental breaks in - a nice acoustic beginning and then some cool
electric guitar.  Someone tell me if the 'normal' version has this
too, when it comes out.  Most songs are long and pretty, plenty of
piano, some strings on Summer Dress ( i do believe ).  I haven't kept
up with RHP, i haven't bought an album since picking up the digipack
of Down Colorful Hill for $5 years ago, and finding odd songs
here and there.  so i feel unqualified to say if its better than the
previous stuff.  his voice is still pretty high in the mix ( which is
why i stopped listening to them for so long ). i can't think that RHP
fans{won't like it.  i think it does the trick, and as a promo, it was
worth it - even comes with a little bit of art, a lonely old fuzzy
windmill photo.

for those scoring at home:
Red House Painters "Ocean Beach" promo 2-45859-A
1. Cabezon
2. Summer Dress
3. San Geronimo
4. Shadows
5. Over My Head
6. Red Carpet
7. Brockwell Park
8. Moments
9. Drop



john monroe


oh, and about limited edition packaging - don't forget the ltd Lush
"Gala" that comes in the box that has the artwork printed on the
inside of the box. and my limited edition Spooky is nice because the
band signed it for me - Emma wrote " lovey ducks", thus she will
forever remain my favorite....

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:10:10 -1000
From: "Chad Robinson, KSC" (chadr@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>         Since I've subscribed to this list, I've heard a lot about the
> group His Name Is Alive, mostly rave reviews. Prior to this list, I had
> never heard of them. What other 4AD band(s) to they resemble? Dead Can
> Dance, maybe? Would anyone care to recommend an album by HNIA that would
> serve as an introduction?

What do they sound like? They sound a whole lot like... erm... uh...
well, they soun-.... no... more kinda... well... Yeah, they sound alot
like His Name is Alive! Almost exactly, in fact!

As for albums, get the Ryko re-release of "Home is in Your Head" since it
has the Dirteaters EP tacked on to the end at NO EXTRA CHARGE!

Zoweee Wow, KSC DFC ZB(tm)
zoweee@zang.kcc.hawaii.edu


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:49:37 -0500
From: Sean devine (etzel@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>         Since I've subscribed to this list, I've heard a lot about the
> group His Name Is Alive, mostly rave reviews. Prior to this list, I had
> never heard of them. What other 4AD band(s) to they resemble? Dead Can
> Dance, maybe? Would anyone care to recommend an album by HNIA that would
> serve as an introduction?
>
micah-
        much like the other 4ad bands, HNIA do not hold much in common
with anybody as far as sound goes. i would have to give a definite no to
the comparisons to dead can dance. as for the introductory album, i would
like to recomend home is in your head, simply because it is the least
one-sided album of thiers.
                        -se'an

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:23:03 +0000
From: "gillian.hardy" (aa1gha@ORAC.SUND.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Super Gail!

              95 11:49:26 am

Right, let's go...

When Belly first toured over here in July 1992 Fred Abong was their
bassist.  Around this time I guess the album was recorded.
However, when Belly next played over here in November 1992 Leslie
Langston was on bass duties and this is when they appeared on The Word.
Gail's first appearance over here was on 10th February 1993 at Manchester
Academy on the opening night of the tour to support the 'Star' album.  And
she rocked the place of course!

Hope that clears it up.
Gizz
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:10:27 +0000
From: Steve Bagwell (Stephen_Bagwell@BAYLOR.EDU)
Subject: Re: slowguys lyrics...


could i get all the lyrics?
Thanks
 Steve

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:22:41 -0500
From: The Spangle Maker (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteaus for $$$


I'm posting this to the List to let everyone know that Mr. Steve Hill has
followed up on his promise to deliver the 4CC puzzle to me for $30.  In
addition, he has very graciously chipped in a 4CC postcard, 4CC poster, a
promo CD for "This is Fort Apache", a Toward the Within poster, a Trompe
le Monde poster, and a Mazzy Star poster.  Wow!!!  So you can go ahead
and cash your check Steve.  You may be a procrastinator, but your
generosity more than makes up for it.  Thanks again.


- Bert


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:36:44 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Inconsiderate Bitch


On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Christopher Michael Hanis wrote:

> As far as the Inconsiderate Bitch EP goes, I'd say it's probably only of
> interest to completists and/or big Germano fans.  Most of the tracks are
> only *slightly* scaled down and remixed from the original versions.  The
> versions of the first three songs are *so* similar to the Happiness ones
> that I'm not sure why Ivo even wanted to release them.

I always figured this ep was more or less for the benefit of people who
already had the old release of Happiness, with the songs a little screwed
up so 4AD completists would have something to listen to. Than again, this
4AD completist does not have the 4AD version of Happiness...

Whatever happened to the first album? Weren't they going to reissue that?

e

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:52:15 +1000
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Head to Toe by mail?


Sorry to bother you all but being the foolish person that I
sometimes am, I never bought 'Head to Toe', but recently got a 4ad
catalog in the mail, an insert included in the catalog listed it, so does
this mean that it is still available by mail order or what? My
understanding was that you couldn't get it any more.

thanks
danny.

One thing I won't miss are The Throwing Muses who are playing Sydney on
the 10th March, is there anybody else on this list going? Sorry I had to
say something as half my mail seems to talk about shows that I can't
possibly get to, just wanted my turn.


Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:37:20 +0000
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@CHOP.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Handsome Woman


I'm trying to figure out the lyrics to "Handsome Woman," and one line is
just driving me nuts.  What's the line after "That handsome woman / cried
barrels for you"?

It sounds *vaguely* like "Sneak her in (you|your) d___".  Anyone know?


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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:39:36 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: what to do on wednesday night

              dreampop-l@netcom.com

The following bands are playing at Eqgles Coffee Pub in
North Hollywood on Wednesday night March 8:

Aberdeen
Low
Nothing Painted Blue

I don't know the band order, but shows usually start at 8 or 9.
Or you could always go see Kendra Smith at Aron's...

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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:55:54 -0500
From: Jon Gonzales (DrPrudence@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: song from the silence of the lambs


> >hey 4ad-ers!
> >        what's up?  this message has nothing to do with 4ad but i just
> >wanted to know if you guys know anything about a song from the movie,
> >"the silence of the lambs".  it's a song where buffalo bill was dancing
> >to...like a rock tune but i don't know who sang it.  any help would be
> >appreciated.  the movie didn't have a soundtrack only a score so let me
> >know if you have any info!  thanks!!!

Not to disappoint... but the song you referred to originally was not Colin
Newman's "Alone"; "Alone" was played during our first introduction to Jame
Gumb's character; the first scene at his "house." I believe you were
referring to a song played when Gumb was dressing down, a more uptempo,
rockin' song; not that dreary Colin Newman stuff.

>  Hey, Rick, funny you should ask about that particular song.  I have been
>  looking for it too.  I watched the credits and "alone" is by Colin
>  Newman.  After much searching I managed to find the album Colin Newman:
>  A-Z.  The Colin Newman version is the song covered by This Mortal Coil.
>  If you can find Colin Newman, get the early stuff--it is Bauhaus, Joy
>  Division, and possibly Sex Gang Children all rolled into one.

I think it may be stretching it to lump Colin Newman's stuff with Bauhaus or
Joy Division, to say nothing of Sex Gang Children. Newman's catalog is
fraught with diversity, but nothing I've heard compares with those bands.
Personal suggestions would be his later stuff, although __Not To__ , his only
4AD release, is excellent, but not really representative. I believe "Not Me"
was also covered by This Mortal Coil, a Colin Newman tune written while he
was still in the first incarnation of Wire.


Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:02:56 -0600
From: "Jeremy L. Orr" (jorr02@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: Re: Low


On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Brant Nelson wrote:

> The following bands are playing at Eqgles Coffee Pub in
> North Hollywood on Wednesday night March 8:
>
> Aberdeen
> Low
> Nothing Painted Blue

If any fellow listies go to this show, they should talk to Low for me and
find out what they're up to.  :G)  Seriously, does anyone know?  I only
recently heard their CD _I_Could_Live_In_Hope_, and I am still absolutely
blown away.  It's easily one of last year's best, IMHO (along with Jawbox
and Kristin Hersh).

---Jeremy 

I'm listening to Nik Kershaw, and I can't figure out why.