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Subject: When did TWP become WGP?
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 06:28:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: TWP UK LTD CD?
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 06:28:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Re: The irritating TWP/WGP/TWGP thread.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:29:00 -0500
From: Heather-Lyn A Haley (hhaley@SOC.UMASS.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...oddball question...
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:59:40 -0600
From: "Jeremy L. Orr" (jorr02@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: Peter Murphy
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:40:43 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Durutti Column
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:47:28 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa, lisa, the one I adore...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:44:23 -0500
From: Jason and the little woman (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Re: TWP UK LTD CD?
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:34:31 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Lonely Video / Red Eye Sidney
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:28:46 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: subscribe veal
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:19:04 -0500
From: Veal@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lida Husik
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:04:16 -0500
From: Joe Banks (Eblis@AOL.COM)
Subject: ...a small review from a diff. list...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:26:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Aphex T. Classics (I can't unsub.)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:26:39 -0800
From: loren r delamarter (lorend@CS.PDX.EDU)
Subject: Re: Vini and Rednex
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:46:25 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Aphex T. Classics (I can't unsub.)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:03:03 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...oddball question...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:18:05 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: jOHN, and rats in my beer - i wax philosophical yet, guys
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:31:48 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: PJ HARVEY'S NEW ALBUM
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:21:36 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa, lisa, the one I adore...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:08:54 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: TV: slayer of culture? (some music stuff too)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:43:09 -0500
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@falcon.bgsu.edu)
Subject: Don't bother...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:12:02 GMT
From: Cormac Purtill (purtill@SOLARTRON.COM)
Subject: Slayer of culture
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:08:47 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cotton-eye-joe
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:58:00 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: D. Tibet's B-Day / new Death in June
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:34:58 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: FA and Space Age Bachelor Pad Music
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:57:46 -0500
From: Jon Gonzales (DrPrudence@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Batchelor Pads / Lida Husik
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:09:37 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Siddal _The_Pedestal_
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:37:16 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Do-se-do, and round-you-go
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:47:27 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Songs For TV Ads
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:45:11 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:41:15 -0500
From: Don Francisco (dcisco@MARLIN.SSNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:23:51 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cotton-eye-joe[2]
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:59:26 -0800
From: Dhimant Patel (patel@SANGAMON.EDU)
Subject: some CDs for sale
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:14:39 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: Cotton-eye-joe
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:41:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: dcd, rats, tjamc and ..s
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:41:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: The Cranes in Cleveland!!!
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:00:05 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:33:18 -0500
From: Michael N Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: CT:Tiny Dynamine/Echoes In A Shallow Bay
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:55:41 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads/Idaho
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:58:57 -0800
From: Christopher Michael Hanis (cmhanis@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: new albums by MBV & Slowdive
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:03:49 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT:Tiny Dynamine/Echoes In A Shallow Bay
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:03:04 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: TM:University
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:14:23 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: ...lycia is as lycia does...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:16:55 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD shirt
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:23:49 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...lycia is as lycia does...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:21:50 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Love Spirals & Lycia Live shows
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:51:03 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: Songs For TV Ads
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:57:09 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Love Spirals & Lycia Live shows
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:15:26 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: TM:University
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:07:05 +0000
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@SLOTH.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: TM:University
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:19:14 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 06:28:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: When did TWP become WGP?


VILEXILE  said on 03-01-95 ....



V>Also, please choose an abbreviation:

V>   JMC  *or*  TJAMC

V>   AATT  *or*  aatT

V>   FSL  *or*  TFSOL


V>I say we take a vote. :)


V> einexile, proudly forcing my personal
V>   beliefs on internet users since 1993


For those of us who have only been on the net sice july '94, how about a
dictionary of abbrieviations added to the FAQ or something. For example
I have no Idea what any of the abbrieviations on this page mean save
TWP.

Gnome

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 06:28:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: TWP UK LTD CD?


JTGAYTON@POLISCI.WISC.EDU  said on 03-01-95 ....

J>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the UK limited edition CD
J>of "Funky Little Demons" by TWP?  I haven't had much luck finding it.
J>My usual source let me down, and another place I ordered it from has
J>it on backorder (and I'm not confident that they'll be getting any
J>more copies in).  Thanks.
J>-- Jeff

J>Jeffrey T. Gayton
J>jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

As far as I know the 4ad stuff we have her comes from the Uk, and their
are a couple of LTD edition TWP - FLD floating a round still if you
want.

Gnome

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:29:00 -0500
From: Heather-Lyn A Haley (hhaley@SOC.UMASS.EDU)
Subject: Re: The irritating TWP/WGP/TWGP thread.

              95 06:17:55 pm

, in moments of weakness I accidently shorten the
> Wolfies to WGP...it's a syllable mistake to make....sorry folks...
> Andrew
>

I think I like WGP better for Wolfgang Press; when I see TWP I have to
wonder if the message is about The Wedding Present...
heather


Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:59:40 -0600
From: "Jeremy L. Orr" (jorr02@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: Re: ...oddball question...


On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, *k-j* wrote:

>   well, maybe not so oddball, but i was wondering if
>   anyone on the list has heard of lida husik OR mauve sideshow.
>   i ask because i just received the nicest li'l package from
>   jon gonzales of fond affexxions {and if you're resubbed, jon,
>   then...hiya!} and am about to go listen to the above artists...
>   that is, if i ever manage to log off of this darned system.
>   so i was wondering if anyone besides job had opinions on these
>   musicians...for no other reason than i'd like to know your
>   thoughts...and i'm sure jon would, too, now that i think about
>   it...

I recently heard the Lida Husik & Beaumont Hannant CD (a 5-song affair
called something like _Evening_at_the_Grange_), and I wasn't near as
impressed as my bandmate Mark, who thinks it's brilliant.  To quote Mr

So whatever happened to Fond Affexxions?  I have the first two issues,
but then I never heard from them again.  Have there been more?  FA
deserves my support simply for the feature they ran in issue #2 about
Supercollider, the first 100% totally original band I've heard in years.
Everyone should buy copies of their two Emigre CDs right now!

---Jeremy 

P.S. If anyone could tell me how to get on the US_Indie list, I'd be most
grateful.

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:40:43 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Peter Murphy


> Where did you hear that Cascade is not to be the comeback we
> were hoping for?

Two places....one fellow with an advance copy who posted his thoughts to
the list a couple of days ago. Also a friend of mine in New York who recently
got an advance tape.

Hopefully my store will get a promo soon. I was enough of a Peter Murphy
fan that I at least have to hear things for myself....

Funny how all these 80's alterna-icons seem to be dying a slow and painful
death....Siouxsie, Robert Smith, Liz & Robin....

So now we're all going the ambient way, I guess ;)


-julian-

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:47:28 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Durutti Column


I plucked this from EAR/Rational's latest pre-order list:

*** week of March 13th, 1995 ***        (pre-orders due February 26th, 9pm)

Durutti Column, The-Sex & Death CD $12.75
    The Durufti Column/Vini Reilly were the first band to record for the
    legendary Factory label, and eight albums later they dbut for ffrr/
    Factory too. Continuing his excellent tradition of rhythmic and ethereal
    and fragile guitar compositions, this record should appeal to his long
    standing fan base, and to those who appreciate atmospheric musics.
    12 tracks.  On ffrr/Factory too

In addition, Phantom Imports had this listed for the same week....

I'm quite excited about this one....has anyone _heard_ an advance of this?


-julian-

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:44:23 -0500
From: Jason and the little woman (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa, lisa, the one I adore...


> >Uh-oh, if you believe Gerrard is a goddess, and I disagree and believe instea

> >in a different goddess, does this mean we're starting a holy war? ;)
> >-shill
>
> Or perhaps we should stop and think... now which Lisa would write a better
> soundtrack to a Holy War.  =)
> -Garland
>
Hmm, now which would be more USEFUL in a Holy War.  You could set up
giant speakers and play dcd to the opposing army, and while they are
looking at each other saying "What the hell is that?" as Lisa 1 sings
"Ahhooo eeeyaaa pinkyplunk memmeme" your army could sneak up and kill them.

Or you could play them Geek the Girl, and they would kill themselves
without your army even having to show up.

I think Germano wins.

                                jason

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:34:31 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: TWP UK LTD CD?


jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU writes:

> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the UK limited edition CD of
> "Funky Little Demons" by TWP?  I haven't had much luck finding it.  My usual
> source let me down, and another place I ordered it from has it on backorder
> (and I'm not confident that they'll be getting any more copies in).  Thanks.
>
> -- Jeff
>
> Jeffrey T. Gayton
> jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

I got mine from 4AD Mailorder dept.
Mention CAD D 4016 CD.

4AD Mailorder Dept
P.O. Box 3813
London SW18 1XE
UK

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:28:46 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Lonely Video / Red Eye Sidney


Laurent Lapierre  writes:

> Subject: LONELY IS AN EYESORE VIDE
> PAL VHS copies are available in Sydney at Red Eye.  I bought mine there.
>
> Can you give us the adress / FAX of this shop, and if you know if they take
> credit cards?
>
> If this shop has copies of LIAE Video, I suppose some others should
> have others copies too? I think especially to me because I'm in Europe...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Laurent.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Laurent Lapierre               Mobile radio communication student
>                                              lapier_l@int-evry.fr
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> " Je passe le plus clair de mon temps a l'obscurcir
>   parce que la lumiere me gene. "  Boris Vian _L'Ecume des Jours_

Mark you're talking PAL VHS video here. I thought in France another
system is used.
The LIAE PAL-VHS is also available at 4AD's Mailorder Dept, P.O.
Box 3813, London SW18 1XE, UK.
They accept Eurocheque, VISA (Carte Bleu), Mastercard.

UKPOUND 12,00 + 1,50 (P&P)

Cheerio,
Huite


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:19:04 -0500
From: Veal@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: subscribe veal


subscribe veal    veal@aol.com


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:04:16 -0500
From: Joe Banks (Eblis@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lida Husik


Lida's new LP 'Joyride' comes out this month (Caroline). Recommended if you
like droney, Kendra Smith-like, gtr. wash (not boring). Her albums on Shimmy
Disc are fabulous as well. Her recent partnership with Beaumont Hannant
(Astralwerks/Caroline) was a cool, beat-driven diversion.

Eblis

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:26:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...a small review from a diff. list...


  this is a review from Chugchanga-l and despite what he says
  about medicine, it's a positive write-up. APCO(O) is brad laner's
  recently released solo disc...

  *k* ...the hyacinth girl...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Electric Company- A Pert Cyclic Omen(Onion)- Holy Shit! Who would of thought
that Brad Laner, of the endlessly lame and derivative Medicine, would
come up with this instrumental cd, which reminds me of some amazing
amalgamation of gate, flying saucer attack, and my bloody valentine.
This cd has about ten instrumental feedback drenched jams which sort of
float around aimlessly until a violent squall of feedback draws you
back.  The strange thing is that all the noise is very soothing and user
friendly......

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:26:39 -0800
From: loren r delamarter (lorend@CS.PDX.EDU)
Subject: Aphex T. Classics (I can't unsub.)


Did anyone notice the handwritten-style list & title on the
back of _CLASSICS_ is actually a FONT!  Vaughn Oliver take note.

Any ideas of what the pearl like things are on the front?

Since I can't unsubscribe from this list, I may as well
entertain you all. Who is the human in charge of 4AD-L?
I get no response from the person mentioned in the FAQ.
(It's all because my mail host domain name changed
 somewhere along the line.)

o  LorenD


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:46:25 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Vini and Rednex

              95 12:58:26 pm

"Jeremy L. Orr"  wrote:
>
[New Durutti Column album release delayed in the US, but available on
import]
>
> Whaaaaat?  I hadn't heard about this!  What label should I be thanking?

It's on Factory Too in the UK, and some people in the US have promo
tapes from ffrr, who are presumably going to release it in the US sooner
or later.  It's a good album, nothing revolutionary, but it covers all
the different styles of Vini's music (some songs with vocals, some with
samples, one which sounds a lot like "Sketch for Summer").

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  wrote:

> To answer your question, the song is by a Swedish band called Rednex,
> and has been number 1 on all the charts in absolutely all countries in
> Europe for what seems like a century. You'll be happy to hear that they
> have just released a followup, also with the name "Joe" in the title,
> that sounds exactly the same. One more year of happiness! Yay!

We have the lovely Celine Dion at the top of our charts, telling us all
that this is seeeeeerius, and pulling pouty worried faces to show us
just how seeeeerius it is.  There's a very odd thing about that Rednex
record - when the woman starts singing I can't understand a word of it,
despite the fact that she seems to be singing perfect English.  Perhaps
it's the high frequencies.  And she's pulling a serious worried face as
well, so I'm a bit concerned that she's singing something important and
I'm missing out on it.

Feeling a bit pissed off at the moment - went to see Seefeel &
Spiritualized last night, and though Jason & crew were superb, the
opening act failed to turn up - and it was them I had really wanted to
see.  Still, the DJ did play the Boymerang EP before Spiritualized came
on, which made up for it somewhat.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 02/03/95
On my walkman this morning : The Fall - Cerebral Caustic
Embrace fond woe, or cast our cares away:

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:03:03 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Aphex T. Classics (I can't unsub.)


On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, loren r delamarter wrote:

> Did anyone notice the handwritten-style list & title on the
> back of _CLASSICS_ is actually a FONT!  Vaughn Oliver take note.

Hey, cool. Except that they copped the style from Mr. James' own
lettering efforts. It's kind of a lousy 'look and feel' kind of pseudo-
imitation, if you ask me. Which brings up another question: Why the hell
is he "The Aphex Twin" on this disc? I have *never* seen him called this
except with a small 't' the way you do with the Pixies, the Cranes, etc.
Does this have anything to do with name ownership? I remember hearing,
long ago, about his using Polygon Window because R&S would not let him
use Aphex Twin, tho I *am* aware that he is still using this name and
doing so for a purpose, etc.

> Any ideas of what the pearl like things are on the front?

I tend to think that they're Smarties. You know, those little tart
candies that come in a roll, in cellophane? How on Earth do you spell
cellophane, anyway?

> Since I can't unsubscribe from this list, I may as well
> entertain you all. Who is the human in charge of 4AD-L?
> I get no response from the person mentioned in the FAQ.
> (It's all because my mail host domain name changed
>  somewhere along the line.)

I know the secret to ending your troubles, but I'm not telling until you
answer all my questions. :)


 einexile

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:18:05 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...oddball question...


>   well, maybe not so oddball, but i was wondering if
>   anyone on the list has heard of lida husik OR mauve sideshow.

When I was workin' at the swell record store in Issy, M.S. sent us 2
copies of each of their (2) CDs (there are more?).  I snagged one of
each, so did my co-worker.  It's not really coherent as far as 'music'
goes, but we're all used to that sort of thing, so...  I really enjoyed
the material as I was first hearing it, but I've got bad memories of
listening to the discs while driving back & forth to/from Bellingham in
the rain with a headache, so I don't listen to them much now.

Those folks go nuts with the cheesy delay sounds.  Not reverb, delay.
Gosh... they're all more like spooky/arty drama albums than rock records.
Let's see... did they start out in Texas then move to Seattle?  What
label... 'Ventrick'?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:31:48 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: jOHN, and rats in my beer - i wax philosophical yet, guys


On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, jOHN yOCHIM wrote:
>   vilexile   writes:
> > On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, jOHN yOCHIM wrote:

[or something]

> > Everyone got so in a huff over that add. No one bothered to mention that
> > the song in question was written for the soundtrack to a big budget
> > Hollywood science fiction movie starring Mick Jagger. Honey's Dead came
> > out several months later.

> doesn't matter.  Jocks and wife beaters all over the nation are listening to
> that song, and they don't deserve to.  What ever happened to using bands
> like Aerosmith or Huey Lewis?

I'm not a big advocate of alcohol, but if you're saying that this many
people are jocks and wife beaters, maybe we should rethink whether
there's actually anything wrong with being a jock or a wife beater...

This is a nice facetious way of calling you an elitist. :)

Actually, what does bother me is that this is roughly equivalent to the
new breed of 'realistic' commercials where you have normal every day
people having normal every day conversations about such and such a
product, saying normal everyday stuff, and that stuff is immediately
stricken from the cultural vocabulary. No one wants to be caught saying
what people say on a commercial. Crap music on TV ads is of the same
dying breed as "Just say super size it!". When that breed has met its
maker, no one will be able to stand good music or normal speech patterns,
and to escape it we will start talking like old commercials and actually
listening to Huey Lewis. Television really will have taken over our
minds. Who knew the beast was clever enough to use reverse psychology
on us?

> > Anyway, the JMC and beer, are like THIS.

> JMC and many substances are like this (makes a fist and waves it in the air)

Beer is not a *substance*, cretin. Beer is a WAY OF LIFE. (makes a fist
and waves it in the air)

> 2.) I was flipping through an old RAYGUN mag, and there was an article
>     written about why Britian is cooler than the USA... because they don't
>     have MTV.  It was the coolest thing ever.  He went on to say that
>     he has seen the horror, and thanks god that the UK doesn't have to
>     have it's music industry controlled by some tv station.  Instead, he
>     cited a thriving community of clubs and stuff.  There was also a
>     Swervedriver, Slowdive, Cocteau Twins, ENO, SeeFeel, and Verve interview
>     in this *ONE* issue.

Dude, have you heard the shit we don't bother to import from the UK?
Well, it's not nearly as good as the shit they don't bother to import
from the US, I'll tell you that much.

Again, my party line bit about pop music being like candy bars and music
being relatively unpopular as a serious hobby, and how there is nothing
wrong with this as long as you don't confuse the two.

> >>       -jOHN the posting bastard who has a comment for everything

> > einexile the stupid jerk, one up on jOHN

>          -jOHN the insignificant wench who spends all his cash on cat food
>                and guitar strings and watches Sesamee street and the OJ
>                trial.  Yes, jOHN, the retarded, idiotic, dumb dumb head,
>                more stupider than e could ever be.  Thats right folks, it's
>                that same stupid jack-assed bastard that everyone loves to
>                beat and send mean mail to.  How are ya?  Nice to see ya!

 einexile the more-self-effacing-than-jOHN-anyay who never changes his
guitar strings, has already been brainwashed by pbs, is the sender of all
the mean mail in question and doesn't get any of his own because he owes
either money or tapes to everyone who might ever send any, plus hasn't
even made up his mind about o.j. yet, except that lance ito is a fuckwit,
plus i have no cat except the one in kitty heaven who gets his cat food
from the LORD and doesn't need me anymore nohow...also, i am a fascist.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:21:36 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: PJ HARVEY'S NEW ALBUM


jOHN wrote:

>In message Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:35:34 GMT,
>  Simon Hughes   writes:
>
>> Oh yeah, the one about the fishies eating her daughter :-).  She looks
>> very glamorous in the video (great long black hair , in particular).  Is
>> this a new image or has she been cultivating it for a while?
>
>YIKES!!!  I thought she looked terrible in that video.
>With all her hair poofed up like a poodle... yuck!
>Not that her appearance really matters...  Quite a different sound than
>before.

Hee hee hee, guess jOHN and I will have to agree to differ.  Maybe jOHN
prefers the conventional indie-kid look (whatever that is) while obviously
I am desperate to get involved with a Dynasty extra :-).

Actually my more than usual interest in a singer's (PJH in this case)
appearance is motivated by things PJH has done in the past.  I've always
got the impression that she is trying to assert her "feminine side" and
maybe the glammy look in the new video is part of that.  I guess nobody
would disagree that she looks or is trying to look more glammy in this
video than the one for Sheila-na-Gig (spelling?).

Simon


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:08:54 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: Lisa, lisa, the one I adore...


In <9503012349.AA11744@harper.cc.il.us>, The Purple Sage wrote:
> > > Personally I think Graeme Revell could do it better than either, so NYEH!
> >
> > Didn't he do the Doctor Who theme?
>
> Did he? I didn't know about that...

No, that was Ron Grainer.
-shill

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:43:09 -0500
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@falcon.bgsu.edu)
Subject: TV: slayer of culture? (some music stuff too)

              <4AD-L%JHUVM.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, vilexile wrote:

> new breed of 'realistic' commercials where you have normal every day
> people having normal every day conversations about such and such a
> product, saying normal everyday stuff, and that stuff is immediately
> stricken from the cultural vocabulary. No one wants to be caught saying
> what people say on a commercial.

Often times, people glom onto this vocabulary, precisely for it's
delicious kitche value. But you're transferring a bourgouis belief onto
these "normal everyday people" (which is becoming more of a vague term
anyway) who probably just say what the hell they're going to say,
regardless of whether Madison Avenue has pirated their language or not.

> Crap music on TV ads is of the same
> dying breed as "Just say super size it!". When that breed has met its
> maker, no one will be able to stand good music or normal speech patterns,

What do you mean by "normal" speech patterns? The language we all use
nowadays is colloquial and minimalistic in nature. Simply watch some of
the "english" that goes through that little glowing screen in front of you.

As for good music being nullified by corporate culture, I think that some
wacky die hards might still listen to DCD, CT, etc etc etc even after a
couple of their songs are raped to peddle alka-seltzer.

> and to escape it we will start talking like old commercials and actually
> listening to Huey Lewis. Television really will have taken over our
> minds.

Will have? ha. It's an inseperable part of mainstream American culture.

___________________________________________________________________________
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/ going to help themselves if they can't grab onto a fragment of your own \
\ horror? People want that little fragment, they NEED it. That little     /
 \ piece of lung makes their own fragments less scary.' I'm still looking/
  \ for a description of storytelling as vital as this."                /
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:12:02 GMT
From: Cormac Purtill (purtill@SOLARTRON.COM)
Subject: Don't bother...


Hi,

> > Who is the human in charge of 4AD-L?
> > I get no response from the person mentioned in the FAQ.
> > (It's all because my mail host domain name changed
> >  somewhere along the line.)
>
> I know the secret to ending your troubles, but I'm not telling until you
> answer all my questions. :)

Don't listen to this unpleasant person, (s)he's only winding you up...
Unsubscribing from this list is impossible, it's as simple as that...you can
read the FAQ, you can mail whomsoever you wish, but you can forget about ever
leaving...MWA HA HA HA HA HA....

(Though if anybody does know how to get out...pleeeeeeeeease tell me!)

Cheers,
Cormac.
---
purtill@solartron.com

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:08:47 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Slayer of culture



Correct me if I'm wrong...but aren't Alka-Seltzer, etc. required to
obtain permission to use the song...and pay royalties?  All of these
songs that have been mentioned, were turned over by the owners, not
necessarily the performers, to be used for that purpose.  Criticize the
people who sold the music...not the ones who bought it.


Timothy Conlon
TJC@VIRGINIA.EDU


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:58:00 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cotton-eye-joe


On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Marvyn Hortman wrote:

> I was in a gay bar in N'leans a couple of days ago during Mardis Gras, and I
> heard this incredible dance song that had a fiddle going in the background and
> had the words "cotton eye joe" in the refrain.  This song (typical of dance, i
> guess) went on for like 20 minutes, and at one point had like a 6 minute fiddl

> solo in it.
>

this is (you guessed it) "cotton eye joe" by rednex - and imho if you
really want a taste of the current "country-house" bonanza check The
Grid's "Swamp Thing". All others are imitations, and crap ones at that.

mikebee

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:34:58 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: D. Tibet's B-Day / new Death in June


This is from the WSD list. I thought a few people here might be interested.


On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Christopher Robin wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Andrew Barnes wrote:
>
> > Forgive me if this has been asked before (I've off this list for a while).
> >
> > Has the new DIJ CD "Rose clouds of holocaust" and the Strength through joy
> > CD single "A grave for burning wings" been released on WS yet.
> >
> > Andrew.
>
> I dunno about the STJ CD single, but my favorite shop is getting the new
> DIJ in this Friday.  I'm in Phoenix though, and if you're in a major
> metropolitan city, you should have it available by now.  The DIJ album/CD
> was released officially on the 14th of February (St. Valentine's Day).
>
> Speaking of dates...everyone run to your nearest fax machine this Sunday
> (March 5th) and send Tibet a birthday wish via World Serpent.  They're
> all pretty nice folk, so they'd be happy to pass the messages on.
>
> World Serpent Distribution   (Fax no.) 011-44-81-694-2677
>
> The number includes all area code/city code info...use it!
>
> risen and rising,
>  -Tim


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:57:46 -0500
From: Jon Gonzales (DrPrudence@AOL.COM)
Subject: FA and Space Age Bachelor Pad Music


In regards to some comments about Esquivel's compilation __Space Age Bachelor
Pad Music__: This recording serves it's purpose well as a primer to the
Mexican composer's music. It is definetely NOT to be considered a seminal
collection by any means. Esquivel was first and foremost a pianist, whose
swimming style reminded me as an early teen of Mike Garson's work on Bowie's
__Aladin Sane__ record. (I was lucky to have a pops, in a rare display of
cool, being mesmerized by Esquivel's stuff.  This was one those things that
weighed heavily during my formative years.) In essence, I grew up listening
to _Other Worlds, Other Sounds__, __OW,OSVol2__, and __Infinity in Sound__
(hows that for a Stereolab reference?).
I remember when CD's first came out, how cool it would have been for RCA to
reissue Esquivel's works, as they always sounded very cool (given the
technology at the time.) Back then, it seemed pretty far-fetched that
Esquivel's catalog would ever find it's way to disc--but some casual
interference by Re/Search publications, and Bar None Records sought to
overturn that. It seems we have them to thank. And I have heard that __Other
Worlds, Other Sounds__ may be reissued on disc by Warner Bros., which would
of course be a godsend. Despite the greatness of SABPM,  it's conceptual
weirdness forces it to remain a novelty. But fans of Combustible
Edison/Stereolab/Cocktail/Lounge/Retro/whatever may do well to check out
SABPM, to see rare unification of Cocktail Cheese/Big Band/experimentation.
The result is unlike anything you've ever heard.

issue due to untimely funding (or lack thereof).  It will be finished this
weekend, and then out four weeks from then. By far the largest issue, it has
interviews with Sky Cries Mary, Diamandal, Wolfgang Press, Victoria Williams,
Orbital, LSD, Portishead, Miranda Sex Garden, and a bunch of other stuff.
It's called __Boxed&drowning__ for personal reasons, and will cost $5 US. For
more info, email me at fondaffex@aol.com (because I really hate advertising
on lists; please forgive)

J O N

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:09:37 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Batchelor Pads / Lida Husik


The Purple Sage asks:
>Perhaps an odd question, but is there any connection between this and the
>"Esquivel" album of the same name? Or is this some bizzare coincidence of
>titles? (I've never listened to Esquivel, but it's something several of
>my friends are always raving about - not something I'd associate with
>Stereolab though...)

According to the liner notes of that Esquivel CD, the phrase was coined by
Byron Coley, describing the whole genre of '50s-'60s hi-fidelity exotica music
as produced by Esquivel, Martin Denny, etc. The kind of stuff young guys with
fancy stereo hi-fi's would play to (a) show off how good their system sounded
(most of this stuff was extremely well recorded for its time) and (b) produce
an exotic mood perfect for cocktail parties or coaxing female visitors out of
their taffeta gowns.

Stereolab are big fans of this stuff, as their sleeve art and titles indicate.
It shows up to some extent in their music, too.

The Esquivel CD is great stuff. Zany beyond belief. I have to assume E. had
his tongue firmly in cheek at the time; the arrangements are wacked out by the
standards of any time. Also worth checking out are Combustible Edison.


*k-j* asks:
>  well, maybe not so oddball, but i was wondering if
>  anyone on the list has heard of lida husik OR mauve sideshow.

I've heard bits of a collaboration between Lida Husik and ambient-techno dude
Beaumont Hannant. I really liked it; it had a Seefeel-ish atmosphere to it. I
have no idea what she sounds like by herself.

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com

                   Eustace had read only the wrong books.
         They had a lot to say about exports and imports and drains,
                       but they were weak on dragons.
                               (C. S. Lewis)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:37:16 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Siddal _The_Pedestal_


Wow.

The new Siddal record, _The_Pedestal_ is amazing.  I've been listening
to it constantly for the past five days.

The music is reminiscient of Garlands-era Cocteaux, gauzy and synthy
with a drum machine.  One of the tracks ("Treasures of Sleep") reminds
me of "Finding the Sea" by Durutti Column.

Elaine Nazimek's voice is perfect.  Slow delivery, but a very
beautiful, pure voice.  Well mixed and up front, some multitracking.
It occurred to me the other day that it sort of reminded me of a
more pure Karen Peris...I'm not sure if I'd stand by that, though.

The guitar work is excellent too.  Rich Brinkley has a good sense of
texture.

The production is nearly *flawless*.  One of the best produced
records I've heard in a while.

If you dig Cocteaux, Area/M7x, Love Spirals Downwards, etc...you'll
like this record.  It's on Bedazzled, not sure of distribution, but
you can find the label on the net for info.
--
Andrew Reynhout                                
Analog Devices, Incorporated      I write and speak only for myself.  Meow.
Computer Products Division              "If you remind me of my dog, we'll


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:47:27 -0500
From: Marvyn Hortman (HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US)
Subject: Do-se-do, and round-you-go


Lars wrote:

> Just by asking this question, you have ruined all your indie cred for
> ever and ever. Every time you post something, everybody in the whole
> world will go "There's that guy that admitted liking 'Cotton Eye


I guess that explains why the rare-two tape chain still hasn't gotten to me
yet...  :`(

While I'm at it, to complete my descent into 4ad-l-exile, who sings "Don't want
no short-dicky man"?  I heard this the same time I heard the other song...


marvynHortman  (currently about to leave to pick up a copy of Rednex and wallow
in his newfound list isolation)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:45:11 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Songs For TV Ads


Fellow Listoids:

I know that this has been chewed over a lot recently on the list, but I just
read the last couple of postings, which raised some really interesting
issues.  Is the appropriation of "underground" music for commericials bad
because it cheapens the music, drags it into a commercial forum and devalues
it as art object, or good because it provides an additional source of income
for artists who don't sell a zillion records and doesn't change the essential
nature of what continues to be basically good music?

If there are any 4AD artists lurking on the list, I would really like to hear
what they have to say on this subject. Simiarly, to the extent that they
haven't already, I'd like to hear the views of non-4AD musicians/songwriters
who belong to the list.

At last, a real issue...

Dave G.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:41:15 -0500
From: Don Francisco (dcisco@MARLIN.SSNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads


On Thu, 2 Mar 1995,  wrote:

> Fellow Listoids:
>
> Is the appropriation of "underground" music for commericials bad
> because it cheapens the music, drags it into a commercial forum and devalues
> it as art object, or good because it provides an additional source of income
> for artists who don't sell a zillion records and doesn't change the essential
> nature of what continues to be basically good music?
>
> If there are any 4AD artists lurking on the list, I would really like to hear
> what they have to say on this subject. Simiarly, to the extent that they
> haven't already, I'd like to hear the views of non-4AD musicians/songwriters
> who belong to the list.
>
        Perhaps an extension of this question, how do those artists feel
about their music being used as background for a video piece, perhaps
aired on a public TV station as filler or as a short video essay with
music, on a local news broadcast?  Not to change the music, but rather to
use it to enhance the video by creating a mood.

Really very interested in any comments about this...Don


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:23:51 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads


I can see both sides of the issue. I would be incensed if
a Cocteau Twins song were to be used in a stupid beer ad,
but if that brings them some extra deserved cash and turns
on some new fans, then it's a good thing. There was that
car ad a while back that used a Clannad song, and apparently
the company kept getting calls just to find out what the
music was. In that case some people didn't really care what
was being sold. But in general my feelings fall toward the
negative side.


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:59:26 -0800
From: Dhimant Patel (patel@SANGAMON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cotton-eye-joe[2]


>
> Not really 4ad content, but since the folks on this list are all-knowing I
> figured if anybody gonna have an answer...
>
> I was in a gay bar in N'leans a couple of days ago during Mardis Gras, and I
> heard this incredible dance song that had a fiddle going in the background and
> had the words "cotton eye joe" in the refrain.  This song (typical of dance, i
> guess) went on for like 20 minutes, and at one point had like a 6 minute fiddl

> solo in it.
>
> I LOVE THIS SONG!!!   ANYBODY KNOW WHO IT IS?    I might mention that it was 4
> in the morning and my head was spinning badly so there was no way in hell I wa

> gonna remember much about the tune at the time.
---------------------------------------------
        THIS IS A COOL SONG..
        IT IS BY BAND CALLED
        REDNEX
        LOOK FOR THEIR VID ON VH1.. MTV MAY CATCH ON SOON.

dHIMANTpATEL
--------------------------------------------->
>
> marvynHortman  (who has recovered quite nicely thank you)
>

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:14:39 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: some CDs for sale


Heavenly Bodies : celestial  $8 (1988 C'est la Mort)

Ian McCulloch : Candleland  $7  (1989 Sire)

Swallow : Blow   $7  (4AD 1992)

Danielle Dax : Blast of the Human Flower  $5
    a promo hole thingy punched through the front cover.

Michael Brook : Cobalt Blue $8 (1992 4AD)

please add $1.25 for shipping within the continental US.

-eddie


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:41:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: Cotton-eye-joe


MARVYN HORTMAN said on 03-02-95 ....


MH>This song (typical of dance, i guess) went on for like 20 minutes,
MH>and at one point had like a 6 minute fiddle solo in it.

MH>marvynHortman  (who has recovered quite nicely thank you)

Firstly -- aaargh, I'd sell my soul or anything of = valu to get to the
N'oleans Mardi Gra (It's a long way from Africa)

Secondly, Speaking of fiddles, there is a great song about a
fiddler,(called jonny I think) who has a cometion with the DEVIL for his
soul vs a golden fiddle.

This song has amazing fiddiling in it. Any onw know the name or artist
of the song????

Gnome ... who cant fiddle, which is OK as my soul is not worth much ...

BTW The fiddler wins.

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:41:00 +0200
From: Adrian Sevitz (adrian.sevitz@digitec.co.za)
Subject: dcd, rats, tjamc and ..s


HEATHER ELIZABETH said on 03-02-95 ....


HE>ELASTICA!!!!! yay! I'm going to see them this friday! are there any
HE>other fans on the list?

HE>hepcat

I have heard them once or twice, when our radio station ran out of shit.
Can anyone out there tell me more about the band?????

Gnome

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:00:05 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: The Cranes in Cleveland!!!


Greetings,

I just saw the CRANES on tuesday night. What a show!!! I got more than my
money's worth. I met Alison Shaw, and got an autographed set list too.
If anyone is intrested in what they played here it is, taken directly from
the setlist:
             1. Shining Road
             2. Pale Blue Sky
             3. Cloudless
             4. Beautiful Friend
             5. Jewel
             6. Living and Breathing
             7. Sixth of May
             8. Reverie
             9. Clear
            10. Far Away
            11. Paris and Rome
          --------------------------
                  Encore

             1. Everywhere
             2. Lilies
             3. Adrift
             4. Adoration

It was an unbelieveable show. jOHN enjoyed it to the fullest extent also, but
I think I had a better seat than he did.
There were about 250 people there and Idaho opened. They were pretty good.
Alot like the Red House Painters. But somehow I don't think that they would
sound quite as good on record.

Alfred Douglas.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:33:18 -0500
From: Michael N Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads


Depends what the ad is, depends for how much, depends on whether
you have control over the final product, depends on whether you want
to have your music 'picked up' by many people in such a way as you
can't control it, depends on how you feel about 'sound-byting' your life's work.
 Warhol
probably would've loved it. Peter Gabriel probably wouldn't go for it.

In the end, weigh it all in the balance, make a decision.

Look at the commercials in Japan. Many interesting ads that don't even
mention the product, focus on the artist herself. I like these ads, and
think artists would be dumb not to do them. In fact, I have heard really
great music on Japanese TV commercials: Cocteau Twins, DCD, Shizuru
Ohtaka (does anybody out there know her?), lots of Jazz.

Maybe life's too short to worry about how your music gets out there.

Maybe the medium itself is so destructive that anything that is put on it
is ripped to shreds.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

Michael

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:55:41 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: CT:Tiny Dynamine/Echoes In A Shallow Bay


        Hello, I just subscribed and this is my first message on this list!
        Does anyone know if the Cocteau Twins EPs Tiny Dynamine and
Echoes In A Shallow Bay are out of print? They do seem really hard to
find, recently I've only seen it on vinyl, but I'm trying to find the
CD's. I had no idea what songs were on them since they don't list them on back
cover, until I referred to the Eyesore discography on WWW. A total of
eight songs that I've never heard! I'm anxious to get 'em, as I have
everything else by CT.


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:58:57 -0800
From: Christopher Michael Hanis (cmhanis@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs For TV Ads/Idaho


On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 Michael wrote:
> Depends what the ad is, depends for how much, depends on whether
> you have control over the final product, depends on whether you want
> to have your music 'picked up' by many people in such a way as you
> can't control it, depends on how you feel about 'sound-byting' your life's
> work.  Warhol probably would've loved it. Peter Gabriel probably wouldn't
> go for it.

Peter Gabriel did go for it, in fact: serving up "Come Talk to Me" for a
series of AT&T commercials.  Not to mention those EVIL "You Will"
mind-control commercials that play Muzak versions of "Solsbury Hill."
There was a really funny post on the alt.music.peter-gabriel list a while
back, parodying some Ben & Jerry commercial.  As I recall, the post had
Peter jumping out of a bush where he was filming human rights violations
to say something like, "mmmm... nothing like Ben & Jerry's after a hard
day of humanitarian aid."  hehehehe....  Many of the more sensitive souls
over there were a bit offended by the whole thing, but I thought it was
hilarious!

I had a chance to see them live here in Portland, Oregon with Lisa Germano
and the Pale Saints.  They were pretty good, though outshined by their
tourmates.  The lead singer seemed to be spending an awful lot of time
hanging out with Meriel.  Looked like a crush to me!  Their newest album on
Caroline records in the US is pretty good.  Sometimes the singers vocal
quavering gets a bit much, but--there's a couple of really great songs on
there.  I wouldn't have paid US$15 for it, but for what I paid, it was
worth every penny.

Chris Hanis
cmhanis@teleport.com

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:03:49 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: new albums by MBV & Slowdive


        I guess My Bloody Valentine and Slowdive are appropriate subject
matter for this list despite the fact that they aren't and never were on
4AD, so I just wanted to know if anyone knew when the new MBV album will
be out in the U.S. I read on WWW in the 'Dream Pop' page that they have
an 'anxiously anticipated new album' coming out soon.
        Same question for 'Pygmalion' by Slowdive, which I read about in
the same place. Apparently, it's already out in the U.K., but if you
remember the fiasco about Souvlaki being released several months late by
horrible SBK, it could be a while before it reaches the U.S. Does anyone
know when it might be out over here?
        Speaking of how horrible SBK is, it took me several months to
track down a cassette of Just For A Day because the only ones I could find
were complete mispresses, with one song on each side, by some utterly
non-alternative artist that was not Slowdive at all. Has anyone else had
the same experience? I've written Slowdive, C/O Creation Records an
e-mail urging them to get the fuck off SBK as quickly as possible. I urge
anyone else out there who listens to and loves Slowdive to do the same.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:03:04 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: CT:Tiny Dynamine/Echoes In A Shallow Bay


Both of these releases are available in the Cocteau Twins Box Set, as well
as on a single release (both CD's combined onto one CD) which should be
available on an import basis.  I have seen it several times in the Boston
area on CD and even a couple of times on cassette.

Mike

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:14:23 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: TM:University


Hello everyone again,
        I'm a big Throwing Muses fan. Kristin Hersh is an utterly
brilliant songwriter and... I'm searching for a word to describe her
guitar playing. Maybe supernatural is the word. Those deft, unpredictable
arpeggios carve little grooves in the music that you can really get into.
        All the reviews I've read of 'University' give it **** and generally
seem to really like it. But to me, there's something desperately wrong with
it. I think it may be that it is so intimate, which I see as drastically
uncharacteristic of Throwing Muses. I think Red Heaven is their best
album, I'm really attracted to the alluringly distant sounds therein. But
I find University sort of a shock. Not only that, but a few of the
songs on it are downright boring (Crabtown, Snakeface, Fever Few). Is
anyone willing to come out of the closet and share my criticism of
University?
        BTW--whatever happened to Leslie Langston, TM's former bassist?
She's every bit as brilliant a musician as Kristin Hersh, and I can't
figure out why she left or what she's doing now. She came back as a
session player on Red Heaven, and now is unfortunately gone.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:16:55 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...lycia is as lycia does...


  according to my spiffy new bleak postcard, lycia will
  be doing a US tour in april...  koolio...


  * the hyacinth girl *

  '...hey kell, does trent reznor worship pigs?...'

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:23:49 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: 4AD shirt


Hello friends, just one more thing to bother ya with tonight-
        At the Cocteau Twins concert I was at last April (Bridges
Auditorium, Claremont CA, brilliant show too), I saw someone with a white
shirt that just had the 4AD emblem on the front in black, across the
chest. I could hardly believe it, because before, I had imagined a shirt
that looked just like that, that I would want to have if it existed. But
I didn't even know it really does exist! Does anyone know if I can order
it from 4AD themselves, or anywhere else I can order the shirt from?

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:21:50 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...lycia is as lycia does...


Hey,

I did not get my LYCIA/BLEAK postcard yet. How far does the tour extend?
is it just the west coast again??

ALfred Douglas

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:51:03 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: Love Spirals & Lycia Live shows


I got off the phone with Projekt and here is the latest info.  I'm surprised
that this info hasn't been made known here yet because I knew nothing of this
until today.

A short Love Spirals Downwards acoustic-unplugged style tour is being
scheduled right now.  San Francisco has been already been confirmed and
Seattle, Los Angeles, and New York are in tenative, but in the works.  This
will happen in May.

Lycia, on the other hand, will be embarking a nationwide 25+ show tour across
America as an opening act for the band Type O Negative (sp?).  This will
commence in about a month or so.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:57:09 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Songs For TV Ads


It's really cool to see people get energized about an issue.  Please, more,
more...

Let me add one q, then I'll step aside and let people continue the dialogue.

I just saw a Nike commercial, one of the artier, more handsome and
carefully-constructed commercials I've seen recently, that used Buffalo Tom's
"Soda Jerk" from _Big Red Letter Day_.  It actually prompted me to throw on
the disc, one that I hadn't listened to in a few months.  A pretty good
marriage of music and message that probably served both artist and
advertiser.  If only there were more like that and less Sunkist "Good
Vibrations" type exercises in blandification.  Any opinions on this ad?

Carry On,

Dave G.


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:15:26 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Love Spirals & Lycia Live shows


> A short Love Spirals Downwards acoustic-unplugged style tour is being
> scheduled right now.  San Francisco has been already been confirmed and
> Seattle, Los Angeles, and New York are in tenative, but in the works.  This
> will happen in May.

  YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  i haven't been this happy since warren smiled for a picture...

  ok, so i have been this happy since then..but...

  * the hyacinth girl * ...formerly known as prince...


Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:07:05 +0000
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@SLOTH.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: TM:University


Micah Newman  writes:

>        All the reviews I've read of 'University' give it **** and generally
>seem to really like it. But to me, there's something desperately wrong with
>it. I think it may be that it is so intimate, which I see as drastically
>uncharacteristic of Throwing Muses. I think Red Heaven is their best
>album, I'm really attracted to the alluringly distant sounds therein. But
>I find University sort of a shock. Not only that, but a few of the
>songs on it are downright boring (Crabtown, Snakeface, Fever Few). Is
>anyone willing to come out of the closet and share my criticism of
>University?

Um, I have to disagree completely.  Intimate uncharacteristic of the
Muses?  Hel-lOOOO!  Have you never listened to any of the albums before
_Red Heaven_?  In particular, _House Tornado_ is so intimate, it's almost
painful.  And _The Fat Skier_ EP.  Do you skip the Kristin Hersh tracks
on the older albums and just listen to Tanya's songs?

And while I've heard a couple of people rap "Fever Few," I like it.  I
think it's strong.  Some of the songs are very repitious, though, but
even some of those are very strong ("Hazing" for instance). I think the
album fits together very well, very fluidly.  It feels like a water
balloon.

Not intimate.  Bah.


The Official Great Goddess To Whom You Do Beg of Dogbert's New Ruling Class
--
We know that you are mad with much learning.
                                        --Petronius


Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:19:14 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMX.WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: TM:University


In response to "K. Bruner" --

        Okay, "intimate" was the wrong word. It must have seemed like I didn't
know what I was talking about, because certainly House Tornado could be
described with the same word. That's probably why Kristin herself compares
University to House Tornado. But I don't see any other comparison between the
two. Anyway, it seems as if I'll have to go in search of another word to
describe why University sounds sort of wrong.
        I do have all Throwing Muses' albums, except of course Chains Changed,
which is almost impossible to find. But I've heard all the songs off of
it except Reel, which I am assuming is a Tanya Donelly song? And, no, I do
not "skip Kristin Hersh's tracks and only listen to Tanya Donelly's". I know
very well what Kristin's songs are like, that's why I wrote that whole spiel
in the beginning of the message. I was not even thinking of Tanya Donelly at
all. Again, my choice of words was misleading. What I was trying to say
was that there's a certain (probably unnamable) quality found on all
other TM albums that is somehow missing on University.