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Subject: Re: Toward The Within in San Jose
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 22:59:23 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Toward The Within in San Jose
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:01:01 -0800
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Ya got none, son...
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:22:06 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: 120 minutes 1/22-23
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:45:22 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: ...112 minutes left...
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:10:00 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Listowner 4AD-L!
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:14:41 -0700
From: Anthony Chavez (alchemy@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: Toward The Within in San Jose
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 04:23:39 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Jack (MBM) Dangers' remixes
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 04:35:27 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Modern English
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:22:31 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:06:16 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: discs going out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 04:30:01 PST
From: Jason Schmit (jason@MTNDEW.COM)
Subject: Discs out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 08:32:42 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Illegal? Moi?
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:57:35 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Re: bettie serveert
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:23:13 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: free tickets
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:32:35 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Listowner 4AD-L!
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:23:13 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:54:08 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: FAX Label
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:17:43 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Husik/Hannant / Unrest
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:25:46 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:30:01 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:26:47 -0500
From: Michael Stutz (stutz@RS6000.BALDWINW.EDU)
Subject: Re: bettie serveert
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:59:11 -0800
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:13:29 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: " A baseball bat. . . "
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:57:06 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 19 Jan 1995 to 20 Jan 1995
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:22:14 -0500
From: the missing 8th dwarf (jjvenkit@SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 19 Jan 1995 to 20 Jan 1995
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:16:10 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:01:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: bettie serveert
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUQ39@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: " A baseball bat. . . "
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:53:02 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:07:43 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Ya got none, son...
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:24:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Crispy Ambulance
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:56:01 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Soul Whirling Somewhere
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:00:28 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: iNDIGO
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:14:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Daily Digest help
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:37:46 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: glee CLUB/avam
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:31:11 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: glee club
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:35:02 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:08:52 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: lisa germano "psychopath"
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:21:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUQ39@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Crispy Ambulance
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:28:28 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: swirlblade....why yes!
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:26:29 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: ". . .AND ALL THE WEEDS. . ."
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:56:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: muses in twin cities
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:51:31 EST
From: "ISAACC'S GHOST" (YSBF00B@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: ...112 minutes left...
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:46:40 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 22:59:23 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Toward The Within in San Jose


On Sun, 22 Jan 1995, Matt Krom wrote:

> Too bad!  ;)  Tonight in Cambridge, Mass it was packed (about 120-150).
> Quiet though, as we should have been.  Some cheering in the back during
> credits for the timpany player who kept jumping around, and some cheering
> from Robert Perry adorers ;)

he wasn't jumping - he was running in place! :) I thought the intro
sequence was absolutely incredible, but had some problems with the film
itself... I thought the interviews broke up the music far too much, and
really hurt it - also, Lisa & Brendan seemed to be just babbling without
saying anything - someone defended it by saying that it was because they
were trying to express the music in words and couldn't - I agree, but
think they should've just skipped the interviews if that was the case. As
for the music, I don't think there are more than a couple DCD songs I
actually don't like, but it seemed like TtW focused too much on the
celtic/folk songs, which really began to grate on me rather quickly.
Regardless, I enjoyed it... I went with a group of boston.net.goths, and
I think we were at least partially responsible for that cheering for the
timpani player :)

Also, someone behind me mentioned that the intro was a lot like Baraka -
anyone care to comment on this? I haven't been able to see it, and if
it's all like that, I may have to go hunt down a copy & hold a
projectionist at gunpoint so I can watch it...


purp


Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:01:01 -0800
From: nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Toward The Within in San Jose


> Also, someone behind me mentioned that the intro was a lot like Baraka -
> anyone care to comment on this? I haven't been able to see it, and if
> it's all like that, I may have to go hunt down a copy & hold a
> projectionist at gunpoint so I can watch it...

The intro *was* Baraka. Lots of scenes from it.


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:22:06 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Ya got none, son...

              95 3:53 am

> 4AD sampler (PRCD 7300) that was just shipped into the 4AD offices on
> It's called No Balls, and it's a bunch of tracks off of previous and
>
> Apparently, these tracks were all picked by Vaughan, according to my friend.

Picked by Vaughn? Strange...

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:45:22 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: 120 minutes 1/22-23


gosh, eMpTyVee just gets worse and worse. i just had to comment on three
things regarding this week's show:
1)bettie seervert (sp?) play okay music, but their on-screen rappor
read-the-teleprompter-bucko sucked. but then again i can't imagine having
to sit there and do that either, so...still i think 120 should just be
videos with out any pointless guest-hosting. or maybe they could just run
the teleprompter text and then show the videos...
2)did anyone see what DCD video they have picked? it's "american dreaming"
or "dreams," and it was so folky and ...commercial! granted, im not a huge
fan, but my into the labyrinth is quite a tad different from brendan and
his 12-string. i assumed earlier dcd is even darker, more varied, and, dare
i say, *gothic* than later stuff, but folk ballads? anyway, the timpanist
was soooo funny! i spent the video half in disbelief over song choice and
half in stitches over perry's facial impressions.
3)there was a promo for eMpTyVee that really disgusted me. it in a nutshell
blamed books for many things wrong on this planet (ex. 'books caused
bombs.') of course the whole thing is in jest, and that is obvious to us,
but i can't help but think of little kids who will watch that and get even
more discouraged about reading than many in this television society already
are. it's bad enough that our literacy rate gets lower and lower; now mtv
is directly supporting that imo with ads like these. this takes mtv to new
lows.
remember kids, who brought you jon bon jovi,
-joanna-

o       'i don't need god, i just need an amoeba' -- greater than one        o
o   joroses@mail.utexas.edu -- andover '94 -- subscriber extraordinaire      o
o  'the [UT] tower is fine, except that it's 240 yds.    512.479.8339        o
o       left of where it should be, and melting.' -- what, me trip? nah...   o
o       cd of the day -- plug in turn on 2 -- ack! a five-line .sig!         o


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:10:00 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...112 minutes left...


  the new belly video: huhuh...rokk on, dude.

  i *really* want my own belly patch...i could do without the
  name patch, 'cuz i got something better...a disney nametag. :)

  uh, songwise..it's nifty. it'll grow on me. i just hope the rest
  of king is not like the single...

  tanya's a cute li'l twee person still...i kinda didn't recognize
  her at first...they all make great roadies, though...

  *k-j*

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:14:41 -0700
From: Anthony Chavez (alchemy@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Listowner 4AD-L!


Could somebody please give me the email address for the list
owner/manager/sysop/whoever for the 4AD-L please?  I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 04:23:39 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Toward The Within in San Jose


On Sun, 22 Jan 1995 nelson@GSTARS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU wrote:

> > Also, someone behind me mentioned that the intro was a lot like Baraka -
> > anyone care to comment on this? I haven't been able to see it, and if
> > it's all like that, I may have to go hunt down a copy & hold a
> > projectionist at gunpoint so I can watch it...
>
> The intro *was* Baraka. Lots of scenes from it.

damn... that means I have to find the movie, a projectionist, AND a
gun... 

purp

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 04:35:27 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Jack (MBM) Dangers' remixes


mccallum@EFN.ORG (David Mccallum) had this to say on the subject...

> Besides the Papa Brittle and Consolidated, I just picked up some
> Jack Dangers remixes of David Byrne's "Back in the Box", off
> David's latest. Let me also say that the Jack Dangers remixes of
> Byrne's "Ava" (off the Forestry Ep) are great.  Essential for
> followers of Meat Beat.  (The A.R. Kane remixes are just so-so.)  I
> have no idea what the Byrne/Dangers connection is.
>        Some other good Dangers remixes:

snip!

> I've also seen his work with Depeche Mode though I've never been
> able to stomach buying a Depeche single.  Any other
> recommendations?

Actually, his remixes of DM's "Rush" (found on the "Condemnation" CD-single -
at least, in the US) are actually *quite* good, easily the best things on the
single.  Also, his remix of Nine Inch Nails' "Closer" is brilliant!  I'd love
to know where he comes up with all those great rhythm track samples...

Well, kiddies, I'm going to disappear for a few days while getting off AOL
and onto the local freenet - hope to be pestering everyone again by the end
of the week!

from
    jEREMY oRR
        

"...don't crush the lights..."


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:22:31 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Modern English


'scuse me if this has been covered before but...
What happened to Modern English. I was listening to the
stuff I had at the weekend I found it quite good - in a
1980s nostalgic kind of way. Did Robbie Grey join another band
coz they sound like another band I can't put a name to.

I've got Mesh and Lace
         Ricochet Days
&        After the snow
Is there anything else.

Belly - are there any ltd editions of the single?

'H'
(Snapper)


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:06:16 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release

              95 10:03:07 pm

"Scorpio M." <99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Jan 1995, Robert A. Szkolnicki wrote:
>> And FYI, the Canadian disc has two extra tracks.  The song list is as
>> follows:
>>    11. Glory Box
>>    12. Sour Sour Times
>>
> Is there anyway that there is a single with the two extra tracks on
> it?  I already have the cd that was released in the States and as
> already mentioned it is sans the two extra tracks.  If poss. could you
> record it for me or even look around if you have a chance for these
> tunes?

The extra tracks are actually "It's A Fire" and "Sour Sour Times".  They
are available on UK CD singles.

"Numb" had five mixes of that song (including one called "Tribute to
Monk and Canatella" which is a long jazz instrumental with a crackly
version of "Numb" added to the end).

"Sour Times" came in two forms - one with "Pedestal", "It's a Fire" and
"Theme from To Kill a Dead Man", one with five mixes, including "Sour
Sour Times".

"Glory Box" has four mixes of the song (the track called "Scorn" isn't a
new song - Portishead have a habit of giving remixes completely
different names).

Those of you with this week's Melody Maker can see the swimming pool
where I learned to swim (there's a postcard from Portishead on the
inside pages).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 23/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Leonard Cohen - The Future
Nought may endure but Mutability.


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 04:30:01 PST
From: Jason Schmit (jason@MTNDEW.COM)
Subject: discs going out of print


I've always wondered why CDs eventually become unavailable.  Isn't the
compact disc the perfect medium for digital storage (no moving parts, no
contact with anything other than a laser beam, etc.) ?  Why is it then that
some titles have been deleted forever?  If something is archived onto CD for
permanent storage, why make it eventually unavailable?  My guess would be
that these types of decisions are made arbitrarily by record labels.  It
seems logical to me that a compact disc should remain available forever as
the medium is one of permanence.  Anyone care to comment on this?

Jason Schmit                  | Distant Signals
(e-mail)  jschmit@netcom.com  | U.S.A.


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 08:32:42 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Discs out of print


  I would imagine it is a production problem.  A record company sends
their material to a CD manufacturer, Nimbus comes to mind, with an
order for xxxx CDs.  Nimbus produces and returns.  When those run
out...it is a management decision whether or not to do it again.


Timothy Conlon


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:57:35 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Illegal? Moi?


>>>
vilexile says:

. . . I'll bet you every single person on this list owns or uses or does
*something* which they could go to jail for. What's the point?
>>>

A bizarre and deliciously inaccurate assumption :-)

Jan

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:23:13 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: bettie serveert


>         so when is the BETTIE SERVEERT LP going to be released domestically?


That will be today, jan 23rd.

greetings,
Huite Rietveld
Play It Again Sam

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:32:35 MET
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@PIAS.XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: free tickets


Play It Again Sam is going to give free entrance-tickets away for
concerts of Throwing Muses, Lisa Germano and others.

Look in our WWW-server for more information, at:


Huite Rietveld
Play It Again Sam


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:23:13 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Listowner 4AD-L!


jimj@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:54:08 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print

              95 04:30:01 am

Jason Schmit  wrote:
>
> I've always wondered why CDs eventually become unavailable.  Isn't the
> compact disc the perfect medium for digital storage (no moving parts, no
> contact with anything other than a laser beam, etc.) ?  Why is it then that
> some titles have been deleted forever?

Someone was in Ainley's this lunchtime looking for an ex-chart single.
"Singles are deleted when they go out of the charts", says the
assistant.  It's not a matter of the record company saying "we don't
want anyone to be able to buy Tom Verlaine's first solo album ever
again", it's a commercial decision based on the fact that they aren't
selling enough of the things to make it worth their while to repress
them.  Nothing to stop them reissuing the albums later on (though many
artists have contracts which allow the album to become the artist's
property when it has been deleted from the record company's catalogue
for a fixed period).

> If something is archived onto CD for permanent storage, why make it
> eventually unavailable?  My guess would be that these types of
> decisions are made arbitrarily by record labels.  It seems logical to
> me that a compact disc should remain available forever as the medium is
> one of permanence.  Anyone care to comment on this?

CDs may not be as permanent as you think.  I like CDs - the convenience
of use, the clarity of sound, the size (a big factor when you have a
music addiction like mine).  But I don't kid myself that I'm amassing a
valuable collection which will one day be bought by the John Paul Getty
Foundation.  There seems to be a fetishisation of the CD, which usually
expresses itself in an aversion to digipaks.  In the extreme forms, you
end up with the sort of people who moan endlessly on rec.music.cd about
how certain brands of jewel case grip the cd too tightly in the middle,
so you have to bend it by a couple of mm to get it out of the case.
That's when they aren't moaning that the satanic digipak is too loose,
of course.  I bought a satanic digipak today, new Belly single.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 23/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Leonard Cohen - The Future
Nought may endure but Mutability.


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:17:43 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: FAX Label

              Jones" at Jan 21, 95 10:50 pm

> Hello all.  I have read such rave reviews on here of stuff off the Fax
> label that I went out hunting around for it at some various local stores.
> I couldn't find any.
you probably won't find anything at say.. sam goody

> I am a big fan of ambient music.  Can anyone recommend a good Fax
> compilation to start with, and give me more info as to where I could get
> them (mail order?).

>From Within but you probably won't find it- demands a pretty
high price as I understand. Get the double CD FAX comp released
domestically last year- it's a good sampler. Anything Pete
Namlook is likely to be a good buy. One of my personal faves is
his Dreamfish album (which is on Rising High not FAX) and
should be still available.

__________________________________________________________________________
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
__________________________________________________________________________

Ted Watkins
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:25:46 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Husik/Hannant / Unrest


Brant recommends:
>Lida Husik / Beaumont Hannant
>quite an excellent mini-album out on Astralwerks,
>sorta ambient, very electronic, with nice vocals from Lida.

Yes, I heard the first track at a friends house and all I can say is
"Seefeel"! Not quite the same, but a similar ethereal/looped/droning vibe.


Ned Norland asks:
>I was wondering if anyone could recomend some other groups for an Unrest
>lover, besides Air Miami (Unrest ][)...

An obvious suggestion is Grenadine, which is Mark, plus Jenny Toomey of
Tsunami (also a great recommendation for Unrest fans) plus a drummer whose
name escapes me. A mixture of Unreset, Tsunami, old pop music, and weirdness.


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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:30:01 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release


from looking at that list, it's onlyone extra track...'glory box' is on
the album...the only extra track that i can see is 'sour sour times', a
remix which i think was on the single for sour times...
mike

<

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:26:47 -0500
From: Michael Stutz (stutz@RS6000.BALDWINW.EDU)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print


>I've always wondered why CDs eventually become unavailable.  Isn't the
>compact disc the perfect medium for digital storage (no moving parts, no
>contact with anything other than a laser beam, etc.) ?  Why is it then that
>some titles have been deleted forever?

You mean like when something's out of print?  I'll take a stab at
reproduction -- that so-called "free flow" of information -- Capitalism
discourages it.  This is why I've often said that the GNU General
Public License is a must-read by all artists and scientists today, not
just computer programmers.

BTW there's a discussion going on about this sort of thing on
bit.listserv.geodesic.

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:59:11 -0800
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Re: bettie serveert


is supposed to be the musical guest on 'Late Night with Conan
O'Brien' tonight on NBC @ 12:35am


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:13:29 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print


> I've always wondered why CDs eventually become unavailable.  Isn't the
> compact disc the perfect medium for digital storage (no moving parts, no
> contact with anything other than a laser beam, etc.) ?  Why is it then that
> some titles have been deleted forever?  If something is archived onto CD for
> permanent storage, why make it eventually unavailable?  My guess would be
> that these types of decisions are made arbitrarily by record labels.  It
> seems logical to me that a compact disc should remain available forever as
> the medium is one of permanence.  Anyone care to comment on this?

Record companies put out CDs to make money, not simply for the glory of
the format (unfortunately ;-P  ).  When they stop making money, they stop
making discs.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:57:06 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: " A baseball bat. . . "


> > >I still haven't got a handle on the Germano album, but that
> > >"Psychopath" track scares me. A lot.

   Yeah...  I think that the record is absolutely terrific, and
completely exudes sincerity and emotion.

   I almost *always* skip over "Psychopath" because it *really*
disturbs me.

   My favorite track is "Sexy Little Girl Princess", because of
the way she uses the vocals.  I also love "Just Geek" for the
arrangements.  Can anyone put a name on the genre?  Sort of a
mid-eastern synthy pop with violin.??

   She wears her neuroses on her sleeve, but we seem to appreciate
that about her.  Maybe we recognize parts of ourselves.  I wonder
what she'd be like without the heroin...

   ...reminds me of the liner notes to LIAE...
   "no one is in a hurry to *identify* with Kristin Hersh, it's
almost too scary."  (from memory, don't roast me.)

   Andrew


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:22:14 -0500
From: the missing 8th dwarf (jjvenkit@SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 19 Jan 1995 to 20 Jan 1995


> ------------------------------
> Date:    Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:13:03 -0500
> From:    jOHN yOCHIM 
> Subject: jAZZ matazz
> In message Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:30:44 EST,
>   "the missing 8th dwarf: mopey"
>    writes:
> > i had huge tuning problems with my jazzmaster when i had the tremolo set
> > to go both up and down.
> I think this here is yr first problem.  The tremolos on those guitars are
> designed to go down *only*.  If you insist on up-treming, then yr working
> against the machine, and bound to screw something up.

  but...the locking nut on the tremolo bar holder has three setting on my
guita...one for no action, one for down only, and one for both.  i didn't
alter it, it just came this way.

> > one i set it to go only down, and started using
> > my chording hand to bend the string to "go up" i've ne'er gone out of
> > tune.
> see.
[edit]
> This has never happened to me... yet.  Did you buy the guitar used?  Is it
> really old?  Is it a Fender (yes there are other brands)?

  yeah, it's a fender.  it's a 62 reissue.  american built.  and i got it new.

> The only problem I had was with the switch/bolt on the chrome plate near the
> bridge that locks the tremolo in place.  In theory this bolt enables you to
> lock the tremolo so that it will not move... all my bolt does is slide
> around.  I also found the bride pickups to be *very* thin sounding.  Oh
> yeah, my pickup selector switch was also messed up, but had it fixed under
> the warranty (another reason to buy guitars new).
>
>
> > it was nice though to see the "floating tremolo."
>
>
> I took mine apart the first time I tried to restring it (couldn't stand the
> 9 gauge strings... I like 10's).  It's very cool haow the whole thing hides
> under that plate.
>
> > i just strum
> > lightly, and tighten everything monthly...
> I beat the hell out, keep breaking strings and so on... but no matter how
> hard I work it, it always stays pretty close to the original tuning.
> Beats my old guitar w/ a Floyd-Rose tremolo.

  i have to strum lightly b/c i have had problems with the string sliding
of the bridge.  i know this has cause huge discussion over was lfender a
genius for the design, or was he just crazy.  i've just had problems.

> Anyone know what Slowdive play through?  Chapterhouse use Jaguars and
> Telecasters, Medicine use Mustangs, some Roland hybrid, and some
> stratocasters, Swervedriver use Jazzmasters and Les Pauls, and Drop 19's
> (circa DELEWARE) use Gibson 335's and Jazzmasters.  SOnic Youth use
> everything.
>
> Just some more tech-talk.
>            -jOHN
>

   .v.
 .mopey.

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:01:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release


Robert A. Szkolnicki writes:
>And FYI, the
>Canadian disc has two extra tracks.  The song list is as follows:

My copy is currently lent out, but I believe the only track you mention
that's not on the US release is "Sour Sour Times", presumably a remix. How
does it differ from the album version?

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
The stars are so big, the earth is so small
                         ...stay as you are


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUQ39@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: bettie serveert


i believe they are touring.  they are in l.a. these days, in any case - i think
this weekend at the troubadour, with the san francisco seals.  i also hear they
are doing an in-store at tower sunset so anyone within driving distance of this
should definitely be there.  friday at i believe 11, i would guess pm but you
never know.

                                      - endless mike

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:53:02 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: " A baseball bat. . . "


> She wears her neuroses on her sleeve, but we seem to appreciate
>that about her.  Maybe we recognize parts of ourselves.  I wonder
>what she'd be like without the heroin...

excuse me...could someone help me out here? is lisa germano a heroin user
or is this a joke? btw what is the difference supposed to be btween
'heroin'-flavored music and say pot-or-acid-flavored (i know the last two
you don't need to define those.)
this isn't really thislisty but im curious.
-joanna-


o       'i don't need god, i just need an amoeba' -- greater than one        o
o   joroses@mail.utexas.edu -- andover '94 -- subscriber extraordinaire      o
o  'the [UT] tower is fine, except that it's 240 yds.    512.479.8339        o
o       left of where it should be, and melting.' -- what, me trip? nah...   o
o       cd of the day -- plug in turn on 2 -- ack! a five-line .sig!         o

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:07:43 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Portishead Dummy Canadian Release


whats with the extra sour times?

who mixed it?

Dummyspotter

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:24:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ya got none, son...


> 4AD sampler (PRCD 7300) that was just shipped into the 4AD offices on
> It's called No Balls, and it's a bunch of tracks off of previous and
>
> Apparently, these tracks were all picked by Vaughan, according to my friend.


>>Picked by Vaughn? Strange. . .

  aCCORDING TO wARRES IN "tHIS rIMY rIVER" vAUGHN AND THE GUYS AT v23 MADE UP
SOME OF THE SONG TITLES FOR "hOME iS iN yOUR hEAD" SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST
THING HE HAS DONE PERTAINING TO THE MUSIC, SORT OF.

                                                -jACOB pAUL lEONARD


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:56:01 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Crispy Ambulance


Greetings,

Please, refresh my memory. I am just about to purchase a Crispy Ambulance disc,
all I have to do is write the check and lick the envelope. Could someone please
give me a review of the disc I'm about to buy it's actually three albums on one,
"The Plateau Phase", "Live On A Hot August Night", and "Sexus".

I only heard two songs by this band about 5 years ago and LOVED them and have
been unsucessful in locating anything from them until now, so I have to make
my move. A quick review from anyone would be great!!!

Thanks,

Alfred Douglas.

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:00:28 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Soul Whirling Somewhere


Greetings Again,

Does anyone have any information on when the new Soul Whirling Somewhere disc
is to be released? This is ONE of my favourite bands and am anxious as to when
the release date is. Last I talked to Michael Plaster, he told me that it was
to be around the first of the year, but that was about 4 months ago.
Any news?????

Alfred Douglas

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:14:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: iNDIGO


    dID ANYBODY EVER SEE lISA gERMANO IN CONCERT WHEN SHE USED TO TOUR WITH
THE iNDIGO gIRLS?  jUST WONDERING IF i WAS THE ONLY ONE.

                                                  -jACOB pAUL lEONARD

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:37:46 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Daily Digest help


Could someone please forward me a copy of the daily digest for 21-2 January
1995?  My system trashed one, and I'd rather not bother Jim or search
through the month's messages.  Thanks!

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: glee CLUB/avam


     i WROTE TO THE ADDRESS IN "mINE" AND THEY SENT ME BACK ONE OF THOSE
FLIMSY PLASTIC RECORDS AND IT HAD AN EXTRA SONG PLUS A REMIX OF ANOTHER, i
CAN'T REMEMBER AT THE MOMENT. iT CAME TO ME ALL SCRATCHED UP.  sO MUCH SO
THAT i COULDN'T EVEN PLAY EITHER SIDE ALL THE WAY THROUGH ONCE. i ALSO GOT AN
AUTOGRAPHED POSTCARD WHICH WAS NICE.
     iF ANYONE ELSE HAS WRITTEN AND GOTTEN A RECORD BACK, WAS IT SCRATCHED?

     also,  NOBODY REPLIED TO MY avam POST ABOUT THE EXTRA FOOTAGE AT THE END
OF THE VIDEO WITH wARREN TALKING .  dID EVERYBODY HAVE IT ON THEIRS.  iT'S
NOT IMPORTANT. i AM JUST WONDERING?


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:31:11 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print


On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Jason Schmit wrote:

> I've always wondered why CDs eventually become unavailable.  Isn't the
> compact disc the perfect medium for digital storage (no moving parts, no
> contact with anything other than a laser beam, etc.) ?  Why is it then that
> some titles have been deleted forever?  If something is archived onto CD for
> permanent storage, why make it eventually unavailable?  My guess would be
> that these types of decisions are made arbitrarily by record labels.  It
> seems logical to me that a compact disc should remain available forever as
> the medium is one of permanence.  Anyone care to comment on this?
>
Sure. The record business is a business. Just because CDs can store
information forever (or actually, for a very long time) doesn't mean a
label can afford to keep everything they've ever released in print. CDs
are like books and movies; once their shelf life has run its course and
no further copies can be sold (or rented, in the case of movies), they
must sadly be taken out of circulation as they are no longer an
affordable proposition for their respective labels.

This is not necessarily a permanent proposition. For one thing, if a
major label cannot any longer find it worth its while to keep a CD in
print, there is often (now more than ever) an indie label ready to take
up the slack. (One word: Rykodisc.) And also, artists have often bought
back the right to their catalog albums and put them out on CD themselves
when no label expresses an interest. John Prine and Arlo Guthrie are two
who come to mind.

Martin

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:35:02 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: glee club


a friend of mine has been keeping contact with the glee club and she told
me that glee club was no more... :~ ( (from the mouth of hugh of the glee
club!) oh well, i still hope hugh and joanne still do something else.

later

jack (the 13th month) huynh
jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu



Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:08:52 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: discs going out of print


In response to the recent post by Jason Schmitt re: why CDs are allowed to go
out of print.  I would suggest that the permanence or perfection of the
medium has little, if anything to do with it.  Discs are allowed to go out of
print if and when record companies find that they can no longer find
consumers willing to buy them.  A quick trawl through the cutout bins of any
major record chain will almost certainly confirm this.  Since my guess is
that this is almost always an economic decision, it could hardly be called
arbitrary.  The companies that press these things are not established to be
archives for the preservation of  a misical genre (although several market
themselves that way), but rather as money-making enterprises beholden to
stockholders who demand profit.  Good, bad is irrelevant.  That's the way it
is, and I'll bet anyone at 4AD will acknowledge this sad truth.  My comment
on this issue is that the best thing that consumers can do to ensure that
worthwhile discs don't go out of print is to continue voting for favorite
artists with their pocketbooks, and, in cases where discs have dropped
prematurely out of sight, demonstrate your economic support for the artist by
petitioning the label via snail and e-mail for a reissue.  This is more
likely to get a response than theoretical arguments regarding their roles as
archivists.

Dave G.

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:21:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUQ39@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: lisa germano "psychopath"


i've only heard this song twice when it was on radio, so i may be way off base
here, but...  does anyone remember an infomercial from probably five or six
years ago selling one of those disgusting little sparking stun-gun deals?
anyways, at one point in the mercial, in an attempt to scare up more business
(ha ha), they play this 911 call where this woman is saying she is in her
bedroom and someone is trying to get in, etc. etc.  i'm pretty sure its the
same call as on "psychopath", but i can't be sure, because i haven't seen that
infomercial since the eighties, and i'm not terribly familiar with the track.

help requested and appreciated.

                                        - endless mike

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:28:28 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Crispy Ambulance


My dim recollection is that "Plateau Phase" is full of grim, brooding, yet
propulsive Martin Hannet-esque doomrock.  A great record for fans of Joy
Division, a Certain Ratio, etc., although with slightly less personality and
individual flair than either of those artists.  "Sexus" I barely remember as
being a decent, but mannered variant on that recipe.  The real ace in the
deck is "Hot August Night", which includes "The Presence," as atmospheric and
powerfully-building a tidal wave of late night, lights-out no-exit industrial
rock as early 80s England ever produced (apologies to 23 Skidoo's "The
Culling is Coming").  (Their finest monent.  It's no accident that they
copied "Hot August Night's" cover art for the  FBN 12 compilation.)  The disc
is a great CD to have around.  Super for dates.  Seal the flap and mail the
fucker before it goes out of print (see earlier posts).

Dave G.

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:26:29 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: swirlblade....why yes!


any idea if swirlblade will be putting out a full length album any time soon?
 tarsis, perhaps you could ask them....swirlblade's rad!
tony


Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:56:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: ". . .AND ALL THE WEEDS. . ."


i KNOW THIS ISN'T THISLISTY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT:

 i WAS JUST WATCHIN THE MOVIE "iRONWEED" AND i WAS REALIZING HOW AMAZING IT
IS. aNYBODY WHO HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE NEEDS TO GO OUT AND RENT IT.  iT IS
AN AMAZING COMMENTARY ON LIFE AND THE TRIALS PEOPLE GO THROUGH AND THE
CHOICES WE MAKE BECAUSE OF THEM.  iT STARS mERRIL sTREEP AND jACK nICHOLSON
IN IT.  tHEY WERE BOTH UP FOR BEST ACTOR AND ACTRESS FOR IT.  iT ALSO HAS tHE
dIRTEATERS SAMPLE,"i'D EAT ALL THE DIRT IN THIS YARD. . ." IN IT.  iT IS VERY
MOVING. sORRY FOR THE SPACE WASTE. . .

                                           -jACOB pAUL lEONARD

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:51:31 EST
From: "ISAACC'S GHOST" (YSBF00B@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: muses in twin cities


anyone catch them? rumor has it they were recording while
there...and did anyone catch the radio interview? oh yeah,
that would be minneapolis to the fereners on the list...
anyone see the belly vid on 120? don't know, maybe i'm just
burnt on the irony thing. anyway, my junkie is sending me a
tape of the muses thingy - will let u know if it was
essential... god, they actually got a piece on NPR
yesterday... now maybe the newt will have a reason to pull
the plug !

sed - isaac licks his tail then dismisses the world

Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:46:40 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...112 minutes left...


I just got my copy of King in the mail...and am just starting to listen
to it.  so far, it's just wonderful, although not quite as "hard" as Star.


------------------------------------------- jvivid@netcom.com
"violet smiles hide my eyes/try and catch
me unaware/but I'm wise/I don't lie/A sensation
to hide..." - violet (S.F.)
-------------------------------------------

On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   the new belly video: huhuh...rokk on, dude.
>
>   i *really* want my own belly patch...i could do without the
>   name patch, 'cuz i got something better...a disney nametag. :)
>
>   uh, songwise..it's nifty. it'll grow on me. i just hope the rest
>   of king is not like the single...
>
>   tanya's a cute li'l twee person still...i kinda didn't recognize
>   her at first...they all make great roadies, though...
>
>   *k-j*
>