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Subject: Rosewater Elizabeth/Eden...was "New CT/TMC/DCD type band"
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 01:22:16 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Isomorphic
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 01:54:28 -0600
From: "Rory L. O'Connor" (roconn01@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: CT ramble
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:01:59 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: New Cocteau/Mortal Coil/ DCD type band
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 04:26:21 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: CAN info request
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:52:45 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CAN info request
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 05:08:41 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Nopalitos
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 02:35:33 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: HELP
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:00 GMT
From: Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@PSEMAIL.PS.NET
Subject: Lisa Germano in London
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:31:54 +0000
From: "Jon O. Kvebaek" (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano in London
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:38:23 PST
From: shelly rae lesher (srlesher@PINE.SHU.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano in London
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:44:55 GMT
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: Throwing Muses new release
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:43:00 GMT
From: Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@PSEMAIL.PS.NET
Subject: Lisa Germano in London
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:40:52 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: HNIA recommendations, please
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:22:53 MST
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Vaughan Oliver font used at web site
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:36:41 -2300
From: "W.B.Mars" (wmars@WI.LEIDENUNIV.NL)
Subject: What happened to Kim Deal?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:43:02 -0600
From: Jason Lee Phillips (jasonlee@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rosewater Elizabeth
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:47:43 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: UVS and Moonshake and Jack
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:00:29 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA recommendations, please
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:16:51 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The Land of a Thousand Moons
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 13:21:43 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Early Scorn
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 13:46:25 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV inquiry (My Bunny Val...
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:06:41 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:20:09 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: ...the beautiful pounding sounds...
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:32:06 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: What happened to Kim Deal?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:38:34 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Reality, please read.
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:39:42 -0500
From: David Dahrsnin (RupertNeve@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA recommendations, please
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:37:22 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: MBV inquiry (My Bunny Doggie Topaz)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:40:31 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:58:01 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Gearheads of the world unite!
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:53:23 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Kim Deal
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:06:51 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: What happened to Kim Deal?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:37:58 -0600
From: Jason Lee Phillips (jasonlee@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV inquiry (My Bunny Val...
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:40:11 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Michael Brook
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:40:16 CST
From: Tom Nguyen (TNGUYEN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:51:39 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA recommendations, please
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:27:10 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:22:28 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Gearheads of the world unite!
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:25:31 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Reply to Gearheads of the world unite!
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:20:20 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Siouxsie
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:17:05 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:22:36 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Rosewater Elizabeth/Eden...was "New CT/TMC/DCD type band"
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:07:39 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Going South
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:28:35 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: What happened to Kim Deal?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:31:25 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:36:08 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Gearheads of the world unite!
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:43:26 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Gearheads of the world unite!
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:48:51 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...the beautiful pounding sounds...
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:13:43 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:34:43 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Slowdive Update
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:17:04 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: VERY LONG Muses Interview
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:16:06 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 01:22:16 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Rosewater Elizabeth/Eden...was "New CT/TMC/DCD type band"


        quoth Grant:
>I was reading December Alternative Press the other day, and towards the
>back their was a half page ad for a new band called "Rosewater
>Elizabeth"  Has anybody heard this
>band and can describe the music ?

        I saw the same ad, and called the no. listed there for a brief song
excerpt.  It sounded good (but i can't remember enough to describe it), so
i put the band on my "to buy" list.  Alas, i am short on cash w/ holiday
VISA bills and all ...
If you're intersested here's the info:

               *Rosewater Elizabeth*     "faith"   (1994)
                24 Hr. Service Station
                PO Box 82036
                Tampa, FL 33682

I would appreciate a review, if anyone buys this (or has bought it).

>For Eden fans, they've recently released a cd of demos and rarities on
>an Australian label, not Projekt.

So what's the title?  and name of the label?  Is it worth the money?
And while i'm asking questions, is Eden still together?  (it seems like
there are a lot of side projects going on-- e.g. Sunwheel, Snog)

Finally,  what do Snog sound like and do they or Sunwheel have any full
length recordings?


Thanks ahead for the Edeny Info.,
                                                                        cz


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 01:54:28 -0600
From: "Rory L. O'Connor" (roconn01@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US)
Subject: Isomorphic


how do i go about getting a hold of the first Isomorphic release
(compilation) with DHNIA and IOS, etc. on it?  can anyone help?

thanks,
rory
roconn01@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:01:59 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: CT ramble


hey everyone I have been on this list for about a month now and am a Big CT
fan. and , hell this is exciting for me.I live in Winnipeg which is a small
city inthe middle of Canada. And I have been a CT fan since 1983..(wow
12yrs!!). Sunburst and Snowblind was my first and I have followed faithfully
ever since. I bought it all on imports as soon as it came out. with the CDn
dollar the way it is that meant paying at least CDN$20 for an LP in the late
eighties while in college that was a lot of money! Besides back then it seemd
like every month a new EP was out.....
You wanna talk about not knowing what Liz is singing, I barely knew what they
looked liked. Remember over here they were/are considered a cult band ,so no
press on them and being out in the middle of nowhere doesnt help. I do have
on Video tape ,a breif (30sec) spot with them around the time of Treasure, it
featured snippets of both  and . Thats was
the only way I knew what they looked like until   when
they seem to promote ther releases more.... so imagine my situation when all
in one year I get the latest release were Liz speaks English in spots,the
band gives tons of interviews, and I get on a Mailing list full of info on
them. I have  learnt more about my  band in the last year than the
previous eleven!
I have never been close to getting anywhere to see them live... I never had a
poster or a t shirt of them....I liked them as my secret band and once in
while I did use the music as a test to which people were measured against...
as silly as it sounds its true. I found if someone could understand why I
like this  music then they had to be alrite...

I do wish CT were as prolific as they seemed to be back then.....
Anyone who has some CTinfo, like videos , merchandise etc , please let me
know..
thanks
Ian

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 04:26:21 -0500
From: "Anthony E. Nelson" (ZStardu696@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: New Cocteau/Mortal Coil/ DCD type band


any idea as to where i could order the eden demo cd thing?  i'm anxiously
awaiting their new release on projekt, hopefully that will come out soon...
tony


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:52:45 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CAN info request

              95 01:53:00 pm

Steven Titus  wrote:
>
> First of all, I'd like to apopogize for the very "nonthislistyness" of
> this post, but I'll try to qualify it later. Anyway,I've just recently
> been introduced to the group CAN. It seems that they have been going
> strong for over 20 years. Can anyone explain what they've done in these
> 20 years, how they've evolved, what albums to get , etc. I have "Soon
> over Bambalama" and "Soundtracks", both of which are still digesting.

This one has just been done on the droneon list as well - seems like
every couple of months someone is asking for information about Can.
Here's what I have:

Monster Movie, Delay - recorded in 68/69, Delay wasn't released until
the early eighties.  Malcolm Mooney on vocals, there is a strong Velvet
Underground influence in the music (the repetitive riffing style of
"European Son" or "Foggy Notion").  Lyrics are absolute piffle, but that
doesn't matter.

Soundtracks - A mixture of Mooney and Damo Suzuki, and very mixed
quality.  "She Brings the Rain" and "Mother Sky" are brilliant, the
rest of the album is rather poor.

Tago Mago - Double album, probably the most experimental and difficult
Can album, also one of their best.

Ege Bam Yasi - Why is the sound of a Japanese man singing "Carry a spoon
in the afternoon" so touching?  As usual, the lyrics are hippy tosh, but
the music and singing are superb.  Best album for people to start with.

Future Days - Damo's swansong, a very laid-back album.  "Bel Air" is the
blueprint for most of the Orb's career, 20 minutes of almost invisible
music with odd sound effects thrown in.

Soon Over Babaluma - Start of the decline.  Holger, Irmin, Jaki and
Michael try to sing themselves, with mixed results.  "Come Sta, La Luna"
is fine, though.

Landed - Like SOB, it has its moments, but not enough to make it
worthwhile unless you are a real fan.

The albums above were released one every year, so "Landed" came out in
1975.  Soon after, Holger Czukay gave up playing the bass to
concentrate on production/editing (most Can tracks were the result of
improvised jamming, the resulting tapes being collaged into the final
product).  A couple of new members were brought in, and Can turned into
a mildly interesting jazz/funk group, who finally fizzled out in the
early eighties.  BUT - in about 1989, the original five members
(Czukay, Schmidt, Karoli, Liebezeit and Mooney) reformed, to release an
album called "Rite Time", which got pretty good reviews (I haven't
actually heard it yet, though).  The various members of the group have
released solo albums, somethimes in collaboration with each other
(Czukay and Liebezeit have done quite a few things together).  There
are a few compilations:

Unlimited Edition - an album of outtakes from 1968 to 1975, medium
quality (better than "Landed", but not classic Can).

Cannibalism - supposed to be three volumes, the first deals with the
period up to "Soon Over Babaluma" (though not "Delay" or "Unlimited
Edition", and the only song from "Future Days" was dropped when it was
transferred to CD).  Most of "Monster Movie" is on this album, and it's
a good introduction (though fans will soon find themselves owning all
the material on it on other albums).  "Cannibalism 2" covers the rest
of their career (except for "Rite Time"), and includes three otherwise
unavailable tracks (none worth killing for, though).  The third
"Cannibalism" is supposed to contain stuff from the band's solo albums,
but I have never seen it.

Anthology - two-CD set, the first CD is "Cannibalism", the second is a
slightly more balanced view of the second half of their career than
"Cannibalism 2".  Includes songs from "Future Days" and "Rite Time",
plus one they did for a Wim Wenders soundtrack (to my knowledge their
only production after "Rite Time").

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 16/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate
We feel, conceive or reason, laugh or weep;

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 05:08:41 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: CAN info request


> Steven Titus  wrote:

> Anthology - two-CD set, the first CD is "Cannibalism", the second is a
> slightly more balanced view of the second half of their career than
> "Cannibalism 2".  Includes songs from "Future Days" and "Rite Time",
> plus one they did for a Wim Wenders soundtrack (to my knowledge their
> only production after "Rite Time").

that Wim Wenders soundtrack would be Until The End Of The World - a track
called Last Night Sleep (also their only track that I've heard). For
anyone who hasn't seen the movie, go out & rent it - it's wonderful...
the score was done by Graeme Revell (formerly from SPK, also did the
score to the Crow, and a few others), and the soundtrack has Talking
Heads, Julee Cruise, Neneh Cherry (don't give up yet - there are still
good things to come! I promise!), Crime & The City Solution, Lou Reed,
CAN, REM, Elvis Costello, Nick Cave, Patti Smith and Fred Smith 
Depeche Mode, Jane Siberry & kd lang, T-Bone Burnett , Daniel Lanois
, and U2 (remember that song "Until the end of the world"?)

Anyhow, thanks for the CAN info - after getting the soundtrack, I'd
wondered what else they'd done... one other thing though - can anyone
tell me if that song is representative of their other work?

purp

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 02:35:33 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Nopalitos


>        I remember somebody saying that they thought that Warren had screwed
> up the new Grenadine album.  I think it is one of the most amazing CD's of
> 1994 and I was wondering what brought you to this decision?  I am not saying
> that your opinion wasn't valid because even Warren told me that he liked Goya
> better. I am seriously just wondering?   THanKs!!!

  my two cents :ch-ching: ... warren didn't screw it up. he didn't do enough
  to it. it's a fine and dandy album...but i think production-wise, the
  christiansen ep is much more interesting. on 'nopalitos', jenny's songs
  fall just a li'l flat of their potential. no big whoop, though. still a
  nice album...

  *k* ...would eddie grant be fried if it rained on electric avenue?...


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:00 GMT
From: Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@PSEMAIL.PS.NET
Subject: HELP


     Ive not received my 4AD-l digests for the last 3 or 4 days..is there a
     problem, or will I need to subscribe again ??

     I think the last digest I got was for Tues/Wed of last week
     (10th/11th) - could any kind soul forward those to me ??.  Thanks in
     advance.

     Siouxie's new CD is out today, and is apparently quite ethereal, so
     Ill be down there today picking it up.

     Cheers

     Paul


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:31:54 +0000
From: "Jon O. Kvebaek" (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Lisa Germano in London


According to The Telegraph:

Lisa Germano Singer-songwriter from Indiana performs brooding,
introspective songs of sex and vulnerability, from her
recent album, Geek The Girl. Odd. Jazz Cafe, London NW1 (0171-916 6000),
Tues.



Jon 

"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home."
                                -- Ken Olson, President of DEC, World
                                   Future Society Convention, 1977

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:38:23 PST
From: shelly rae lesher (srlesher@PINE.SHU.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano in London


On Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:31:54 +0000 Jon O. Kvebaek wrote:

> Lisa Germano Singer-songwriter from Indiana performs brooding,
> introspective songs of sex and vulnerability, from her
> recent album, Geek The Girl. Odd. Jazz Cafe, London NW1 (0171-916 6000),
> Tues.

Being that I'm from Indiana....and living in England, and like Lisa Germano,  I 
ould
like to see her.  Does anyone know if she is playing in or around Sheffield (ie
Manchester, Leeds....)

Thanks,
Shelly 


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:44:55 GMT
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano in London


> Lisa Germano Singer-songwriter from Indiana performs brooding,
> introspective songs of sex and vulnerability, from her
> recent album, Geek The Girl. Odd. Jazz Cafe, London NW1 (0171-916 6000),
> Tues.

To all UK listies,

See you there?

Robb
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BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC  |  My lucky number has been disconnected
(Gower St.)          |                                    "Disenchanted" - Purr
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:43:00 GMT
From: Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@PSEMAIL.PS.NET
Subject: Throwing Muses new release


     My local record store is one of the members of the UK 'Chain with no
     Name' - which is a collection of independent store, who presumably buy
     collectively in order to get bulk discounts from record companies.
     They also get a lot of limited edition stuff, particularly from
     independent labels.  Today they had the new Throwing Muses CD on sale
     as a limited edition with a song book and a poster..all for less than
     12 quid.  It is sealed in a small box, so Im not sure if a digipak,
     gatefold or normal CD holder.

     Im not sure if this offer is repeated elsewhere, eg USA, so if there
     are any completists out there who would like a copy, let me know and
     Ill get it for you.  E-mail me direct :  (Paul.Rankine@ps.net)
     Remember UK prices are higher than in the States, so its not a bargain
     in any way !!.

     Cheers

     Paul

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:40:52 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lisa Germano in London


"Jon O. Kvebaek"  wrote:
>
> According to The Telegraph:
>
> Lisa Germano Singer-songwriter from Indiana performs brooding,
> introspective songs of sex and vulnerability, from her
> recent album, Geek The Girl. Odd. Jazz Cafe, London NW1 (0171-916 6000),
> Tues.
>

Today's Grauniad contains an article on stalkers, using Lisa Germano as
one of the examples (she was obsessively followed by a "fan" for two
years).

Bought the Throwing Muses special CD today - a chunky red slipcase
(similar to the sort of thing that expensive dictionaries come in) holds
a digipak and a set of postcards with the lyrics on the back of them.
Artwork is pretty similar to that on the standard CD - the front and
back of the digipak are plain silver, though (photo of crumpled silver
foil).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 16/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate
We feel, conceive or reason, laugh or weep;


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:22:53 MST
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: HNIA recommendations, please

              at Jan 16, 95 1:54 am

   I'm interested in giving a listen to His Name Is Alive.
Would some of you like to recommend a good place to begin?
Thanks,
--
Dave Gingerich
daveg@fred.den.mmc.com

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:36:41 -2300
From: "W.B.Mars" (wmars@WI.LEIDENUNIV.NL) The Netherlands
Subject: Vaughan Oliver font used at web site


Hi,

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but it looks like if
Vaughan Oliver's font 'Currency' was used in the Play It Again Sam
WWW-Site !

The PIAS site looks rather promising, by the way, and it is a good
starting point for anybody who is interested in 4ad/Guernica.

Speaking about the latter... what is going on with Guernica? As far as I
know they released only two or three records in 1994.

Bye,

Pim.


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:43:02 -0600
From: Jason Lee Phillips (jasonlee@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: What happened to Kim Deal?


I've been off the list for a month, and I haven't heard how the courts
treated her.  If lucky she'll get off by being on a treatment program or
something.  It is hard to do an album from the slammer.
-jason

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:47:43 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Rosewater Elizabeth


(sigh)
I remember posting about this earlier, and a few people responded, but here
goes again:

Rosewater Elizabeth are a very promising band. I'd say that in spots, their
19 year old vocalist outdoes both Liz and Lisa (Gerard). And the music veers
between ambient washes of sound and very-4AD songcraft. I hear a slight HNIA
influence to songs like "It Swallows Me Whole", and there is a DCD-type
chant("Om") which shows an intriguingly different side to the band. No mere
Cocteau clones. No typical "we're young, lets form a band" mediocrity. These
musicians are seriously unique. The lyrics for one song ('Cease") actually
come from a 16th century Italian aria. That's not your usual inspiration. And
I don't think they're your usual band. Look for the CD. Worth your cash.
R.I.Y.L - (ha, ha: I picked up CMJ once. What a joke!) the more experimental
tracks on TMC albums, the uplifting (not soulful) quality of Liz's voice, and
the dark and haunting mystique of DCD.

 A tres enthralling debut!

Gil

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:00:29 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: UVS and Moonshake and Jack


I know that this is mega late, but...


In message Thu, 29 Dec 1994 22:14:51 -0500,
  Gil Gershman   writes:


> Is the Moonshake "First" ep (Creation?) still available on CD? I've never
> seen it listed anywhere. Heard it's not really dub or whatever you call
> their brilliant style, either. Just MBV worship from a band that was
> developing its own unique style and sound. Still...
>

I think "first" is MUCH better than anything MBV have ever done.  It's such
an incredible ep.  I know that I'm going to take a lot of Slack for saying
all this, but that's alright, because "first" kicks "loveless"'s rump.
I hear no "mbv" worship, and I'm suprised that Bison-boy would make this
comment.  Obviously you weren't thinking with yr usual clear head.

         -jOHN left M. Fielder hanging, yesterday.  She cut the rope today.


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:16:51 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA recommendations, please


>    I'm interested in giving a listen to His Name Is Alive.
> Would some of you like to recommend a good place to begin?
> Thanks,

  go to the record store, walk over to the hnia section if one
  exists, close our eyes and shuffle through their cds until you
  decide to stop...

  *k*

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 13:21:43 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Land of a Thousand Moons


In message Fri, 30 Dec 1994 11:36:18 -0500,
  Hk Kahng   writes:

> I'd hate to think it's out of print, 'cos I'd love to find a
> copy for myself.  Unfortunately the last time I saw it was in a
> Parasol catalog... oh, about two years ago, and as soon as I'd
> called them for it, they told me that they were sold out and
> that they had no idea if'n'when they'd ever get more in.

The last time I ever saw a spare copy was over a year ago in Cleveland.  My
friend Arin almost died of excitement.  It really is very hard to find.
You'd imagine Creation would have a bunch laying around somewhere.

> It's a great record, really.  The Shields-gazing critique is
> somewhat justified, considering that it _did_ come out on Creation
> right around the time the MBV-mothership was just blasting off,

The only songs that sound anything close to MBV are GRAVITY and COWARD.
Gravity has a nice off-time feel, while the guitars on Coward switch back
and forth from the left speaker to the right (Panning).  These are two
things that MBV have never done (as far as i can remember).  Sure, they are
similar in Sonic loudness... but to write these songs off as "mbv wankers"
would severly underestimate the true genius of the band.

> The influence is definitely present, but so are hints of
> something greater.

Something greater indeed.  I only wish they would have continued in this
vein.

> And then there was _Eva Luna_, and the world
> came to a screeching halt... um, maybe not.  Well, mine did, at
> least... for a week or so.

Big Good Angel did this to me.

Yesterday I re-listened to the last (hopefully) moonshake Jr. record.
What a bunch of shite!!!  Really, it lacks everything Moonshake used to
have.  I especially _*HATE*_ how Dave plays down Mig's drumming... You can
barely tell it's him!!!  AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

>
> A Fender Twin, a Jazzmaster, Boss Chorus, and a Rat,
>

A Crate half-stack, a jAZZMASTER, a Arion Flanger, a Crybaby, and a Boss
Metal-Zone.

>
>
> hk
> "Mmmmwwwwwrrrrrrrr" - Puddles the Cat or a happy tremolo, take yr pick
>

    Puddles the cat.

"hello puddles!  My name is Sgt. Tibbs! Meow!!!"

     -jOHN feeling kitty


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 13:46:25 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Early Scorn


In message Tue, 3 Jan 1995 10:04:59 -0800,
  Jens Alfke   writes:

> "Vae Solis" is very, very much like Godflesh -- slow, pounding beats and
> low guitar/bass grind.

Godflesh's album PURE is Wonderful.  It's such an angry, uncompromising
record.  Too bad it's written off as typical grind-death-doom core.
The song PURE and PURE II especially.

Anyone else like them?  Am I going to get flamed for this (recall the Weezer
post?)

     -jOHN is a pretty kitty

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:06:41 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV inquiry (My Bunny Val...


This is old stuff, but I'm in the process of going through my 700+ mails.

In message Thu, 29 Dec 1994 14:20:41 -0500,
  Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear   writes:

> 1 - "This Is My Bloody Valentine"
> 2 - "Ecstasy"
> 3 - "Strawberry Wine"
> 4 - "Ecstasy and Wine" (compilation of previous 2)
> 5 - "You Made Me Realise"
> 6 - "Feed Me With Your Kiss"
> 7 - "Isn't Anything"
> 8 - "Glider"
> 9 - "Tremolo"
> 10 - "Loveless"
>
>
> Mike
>
The first album is called "this is your bloody valentine" ... not mine.
Also missing is "Sunny Sunday Smile".  I'm sure there is something else.

      -jOHN hopes Ninja Kitty is alright after the last flood...

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:20:09 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?


Just thought I'd add my two cents' worth to the "soul" debate.  God forbid
that a topic go by without me making my opinion known...  :G)

Anyway, I think the idea of soul in music is really pretty useless to
discuss, because it has been rendered utterly meaningless.  "Soul" has become
reduced to a style of singing, an inflection in the voice.  For instance, a
"band" like Boyz II Men (never thought you'd see them mentioned on this list,
eh?) is considered soulful; however, the only true emotion I can glean from
any of their songs - say, "I'll Make Love to You", itself being a calculated
ass-kiss pandering to every potentially music-purchasing female on the planet
- is greed.

I guess the perfect example of this would be Michael Bolton.  Yep, *lots* of
soul there...need I say more?

If I were pressured to make a judgment on the issue (c'mon, pressure me!),
I'd say that Liz & the Cocteaus do have soul, for what it's worth.  Even
though I have no idea what she's singing 99.9% of the time - and I don't want
to know, either - the music is still emotionally powerful enough to reduce me
to tears if I'm in the right (or perhaps, wrong) state of mind.  And that's
enough soul for me.

from
   jEREMY oRR
      

"We will pour our jars in reservoirs"

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:32:06 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: ...the beautiful pounding sounds...


> Godflesh's album PURE is Wonderful.  It's such an angry, uncompromising
> record.  Too bad it's written off as typical grind-death-doom core.
> The song PURE and PURE II especially.
>
> Anyone else like them?  Am I going to get flamed for this (recall the Weezer
> post?)

  godflesh are very kool..i was just listening to them last night, along with
  einsturzende neubuten...wonderful....

  *k* ...on mission to clean everything in a single bound...

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:38:34 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: What happened to Kim Deal?


what happened to her? in the slammer? I didn't know! why?


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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:39:42 -0500
From: David Dahrsnin (RupertNeve@AOL.COM)
Subject: Reality, please read.


Greetings,

First of all I would like to apologize for using thislisty for the following
business.  However, I have suffered a catastrophic system failure and have
lost most of my data.

Here goes:  Would Brian Keeley a.k.a. Reality e-mail me at the following

Again thank you for your inconvenience.

--Dave

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:37:22 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: HNIA recommendations, please


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On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Dave Gingerich wrote:

>    I'm interested in giving a listen to His Name Is Alive.
> Would some of you like to recommend a good place to begin?
> Thanks,
> --
> Dave Gingerich
> daveg@fred.den.mmc.com
>

Try the albums: Livonia (their first very dark and weird and excellent)
                Home is in the Head (less dark but still weird and excellent)

they also have a 3rd one called Mouth by Mouth but I've never heard it so
I dunno what it sounds like. Should be good though.

Danny

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:40:31 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: MBV inquiry (My Bunny Doggie Topaz)


> The first album is called "this is your bloody valentine" ... not mine.
> Also missing is "Sunny Sunday Smile".  I'm sure there is something else.

  there is a MBV web site with a complete discog..or semi complete..or
  something. MBV discogs are posted every now and then on a.m.a.

>       -jOHN hopes Ninja Kitty is alright after the last flood...

  he's okay..he stays inside when it's raining...sleeps right on this
  here chair, while the dog sits outside my door with her nose planted
  firmly underneath it. :sigh: the only prob. li'l ninja has is about 10
  fur mats round his mane that need to be cut off... he's rather unpettable
  with them...     *k* ....must...clean...house....

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:58:01 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?


Cocteau Twins certainly have an *appreciation* for soul.  Liz certainly
has her own unique manner of incorporating the vocal techniques of soul
into her own work.  If one listens to "Bluebeard" or the Cocteau's version
of "Be Still" on the Peace Together compilation, you can easily hear her
soulfulness.

Furthermore, Liz has revealed that her vocal hero(ine) is Nina Simone.  Talk
about SOUL.  Not to mention the fact that Cocteau Twins did a fantastic cover
version of Josephine Baker's "Strange Fruit" back in 1983 for John Peel which
kicks the proverbial ass.  And who could deny the soulful intonations in Liz's
interpretation of "Song to the Siren"?


Mike

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:53:23 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Gearheads of the world unite!


In response to jcy107@PSU.EDU (jOHN yOCHIM)'s missive from earlier today,
which went something like this...

>> A Fender Twin, a Jazzmaster, Boss Chorus, and a Rat,
>
> A Crate half-stack, a jAZZMASTER, a Arion Flanger, a Crybaby, and a
> Boss Metal-Zone.

I personally play a Jazzmaster through an Alesis Quadraverb GT into a Fender
Super Reverb.  I love the SR's built-in vibrato, but I'd like to find a
digital one so I can sync it up to my drum machine.  Can anyone suggest a
good rack-mount unit, either a multi-effect processor with digital vibrato or
a vibrato unit itself (if such a thing exists)?  The pursuit is useless here.

Also, I found a '62 Jazzmaster (red w/ white pickplate and red headstock, in
excellent condition) at a local store for $869.  Is it worth it?  I've just
got one of the mid-eighties reissues now, and for the sake of obsession, I'd
kinda like to have the real thing.

Thanks all...

from
    jEREMY oRR
        

"Far-flung astronaut dented his paid-for thin skin"

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:06:51 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Kim Deal


It was KELLY DEAL who was busted for accepting a FedEx package containing
several grams of heroine, NOT KIM.

The latest update (seen on MTV News -- where else?) is that Kelly is free
on bail until a grand jury decides whether to indict her for possession.

I don't know how easy it would be to bust her for that.  I mean, they might
as well bust FedEx for transporting the junk.  All she did was SO IGN for
it.  Sure, she may have KNOWN what it was, or maybe not.  For all we know,
it could have been some conspiracy launched by Frank Black to break up
the Breeders so that Kim would have no recourse but to beg Frank to "put
the band back together" and reunite Pixies, thus saving Frank from a com-
paratively unsuccessful solo career.

(Yes, that was indeed a JOKE.)

Mike

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:37:58 -0600
From: Jason Lee Phillips (jasonlee@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: What happened to Kim Deal?


Kim got mailed some heroin by FedEx.  It was supposedley on MTV news and
I heard something about on this list a month ago, but I was off the list
over Xmas vacation.  It was probably entrapment, since she was so high
profile.  She probably did get off, but I am not sure.
-jason


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:40:11 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV inquiry (My Bunny Val...


> > 1 - "This Is My Bloody Valentine"
> > 2 - "Ecstasy"
> > 3 - "Strawberry Wine"
> > 4 - "Ecstasy and Wine" (compilation of previous 2)
> > 5 - "You Made Me Realise"
> > 6 - "Feed Me With Your Kiss"
> > 7 - "Isn't Anything"
> > 8 - "Glider"
> > 9 - "Tremolo"
> > 10 - "Loveless"

> The first album is called "this is your bloody valentine" ... not mine.
> Also missing is "Sunny Sunday Smile".  I'm sure there is something else.

'Geek' Fever FEV5T  1985
'The New Record By. . .' kaleidoscope sound CS101  1986

But I thought it was 'sundae' not 'Sunday'. . . anyway, I've seen it
printed both ways in different mags, so...

I donn have 'em.  *sigh*

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:40:16 CST
From: Tom Nguyen (TNGUYEN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU)
Subject: Michael Brook


I've been listening to Brook's _Live at the Aquarium_ and I can't get over how
great it sounds!  Can anyone tell me of his previous works on Opal Ltd. before
going to 4AD?  Particularly the albums he did with Daniel Lanois and a sdtk. he
did with the Edge.  Is there anything else interesting on Opal besides Harold
Budd?  And if Michael Brook will release anything in the near future?
-tom

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:51:39 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook

              Jan 16, 95 02:40:16 pm

>
> I've been listening to Brook's _Live at the Aquarium_ and I can't get over how
> great it sounds!  Can anyone tell me of his previous works on Opal Ltd. before
> going to 4AD?  Particularly the albums he did with Daniel Lanois and a sdtk. h

> did with the Edge.  Is there anything else interesting on Opal besides Harold
> Budd?  And if Michael Brook will release anything in the near future?
> -tom
>

I would tend to think that he must be working on something as he has a
new-sounding song on the AVAM sampler.

Did anyone see him open for and play with David Sylvian and Robert Fripp
in '93?  He was utterly amazing.

Rick

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:27:10 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA recommendations, please

              Baki-Zada" at Jan 16, 95 11:37:22 am

> On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Dave Gingerich wrote:
>
> >    I'm interested in giving a listen to His Name Is Alive.
> > Would some of you like to recommend a good place to begin?
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dave Gingerich
> > daveg@fred.den.mmc.com
> >
>
> Try the albums: Livonia (their first very dark and weird and excellent)
>                 Home is in the Head (less dark but still weird and excellent)
>
> they also have a 3rd one called Mouth by Mouth but I've never heard it so
> I dunno what it sounds like. Should be good though.

MTM is much more accessible...a bit dark and a bit weird.  Comparable in
catalogue to 4Cal Cafe/Treasure.  Still definitely HNIA, but probably
easier to "get into".

Rick

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:22:28 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal

              to Cut Off an Ear" at Jan 16, 95 03:06:51 pm

> It was KELLY DEAL who was busted for accepting a FedEx package containing
> several grams of heroine, NOT KIM.
>
> The latest update (seen on MTV News -- where else?) is that Kelly is free
> on bail until a grand jury decides whether to indict her for possession.
>
> I don't know how easy it would be to bust her for that.  I mean, they might
> as well bust FedEx for transporting the junk.  All she did was SO IGN for
> it.  Sure, she may have KNOWN what it was, or maybe not.

OK...now, don't bag on me for this, but really, how likely IS it that
Kelley REALLY did have someone FedEx smack to her?  I don't know her, but
from what I do know, I wouldn't suspect her to be THAT stupid.  Innocent
until proven guilty...blah blah blah

  For all we know,
> it could have been some conspiracy launched by Frank Black to break up
> the Breeders so that Kim would have no recourse but to beg Frank to "put
> the band back together" and reunite Pixies, thus saving Frank from a com-
> paratively unsuccessful solo career.
>
> (Yes, that was indeed a JOKE.)

Joke, though it may have been, it was FUNNY and kinda plausible.

Rick

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:25:31 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Gearheads of the world unite!

              16, 95 02:53:23 pm

>
> In response to jcy107@PSU.EDU (jOHN yOCHIM)'s missive from earlier today,
> which went something like this...
>
> >> A Fender Twin, a Jazzmaster, Boss Chorus, and a Rat,
> >
> > A Crate half-stack, a jAZZMASTER, a Arion Flanger, a Crybaby, and a
> > Boss Metal-Zone.
>
> I personally play a Jazzmaster through an Alesis Quadraverb GT into a Fender
> Super Reverb.  I love the SR's built-in vibrato, but I'd like to find a
> digital one so I can sync it up to my drum machine.  Can anyone suggest a
> good rack-mount unit, either a multi-effect processor with digital vibrato or
> a vibrato unit itself (if such a thing exists)?  The pursuit is useless here.

Whats wrong with the remolo feature (in the eq section of all places) on
your GT?  I used  to have one myself and used it to get perfectly timed
tremolo/vibratos.

I like to see someone else using a rack-box.  I feel so un-indie using my
cheezeball ART, but I have having to fuck with pedals.  Its all about
consistency.

> Also, I found a '62 Jazzmaster (red w/ white pickplate and red headstock, in
> excellent condition) at a local store for $869.  Is it worth it?  I've just
> got one of the mid-eighties reissues now, and for the sake of obsession, I'd
> kinda like to have the real thing.

I'd say its worth it, but what do I know.  I've seen 'em for upwards of $1k.

Rick

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:20:20 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Gearheads of the world unite!

              16 Jan 95 12:25:31 PST" <2f1adf7213ce002@cdsmail.cdc.com>

> >> A Fender Twin, a Jazzmaster, Boss Chorus, and a Rat,
> >
> > A Crate half-stack, a jAZZMASTER, a Arion Flanger, a Crybaby, and a
> > Boss Metal-Zone.
>
> I personally play a Jazzmaster through an Alesis Quadraverb GT into a Fender
> Super Reverb.  I love the SR's built-in vibrato, but I'd like to find a
> digital

What's the appeal of the Jazzmaster?  I know it's gots lots of
switches on it but what do they do?

ignorance ain't always bliss

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omouidashite yo"
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:17:05 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Siouxsie


I'm very curious...as an all-time fanatical S&TB fan, I've been quite
disappointed with the goings-on of Ms. Siouxsie.  I would love to hear
what you think of the new album...I'm (unbelievingly) debating whether or
not to buy it.

I'm hoping to restore my love of this band....thanks!  J

------------------------------------------- jvivid@netcom.com
"violet smiles hide my eyes/try and catch
me unaware/but I'm wise/I don't lie/A sensation
to hide..." - violet (S.F.)
-------------------------------------------

On Mon, 16 Jan 1995 Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@PSEMAIL.PS.NET wrote:

>      Ive not received my 4AD-l digests for the last 3 or 4 days..is there a
>      problem, or will I need to subscribe again ??
>
>      I think the last digest I got was for Tues/Wed of last week
>      (10th/11th) - could any kind soul forward those to me ??.  Thanks in
>      advance.
>
>      Siouxie's new CD is out today, and is apparently quite ethereal, so
>      Ill be down there today picking it up.
>
>      Cheers
>
>      Paul
>

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:22:36 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?


I'd say yes...just listen to the backing vocals on TWP's Respect.

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:07:39 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Rosewater Elizabeth/Eden...was "New CT/TMC/DCD type band"


Well, actually there IS a new Eden CD being released on Projekt...Fire &
Rain.  It's coming out very soon...

------------------------------------------- jvivid@netcom.com
"violet smiles hide my eyes/try and catch
me unaware/but I'm wise/I don't lie/A sensation
to hide..." - violet (S.F.)
-------------------------------------------

On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, cz wrote:

>         quoth Grant:
> >I was reading December Alternative Press the other day, and towards the
> >back their was a half page ad for a new band called "Rosewater
> >Elizabeth"  Has anybody heard this
> >band and can describe the music ?
>
>         I saw the same ad, and called the no. listed there for a brief song
> excerpt.  It sounded good (but i can't remember enough to describe it), so
> i put the band on my "to buy" list.  Alas, i am short on cash w/ holiday
> VISA bills and all ...
> If you're intersested here's the info:
>
>                *Rosewater Elizabeth*     "faith"   (1994)
>                 24 Hr. Service Station
>                 PO Box 82036
>                 Tampa, FL 33682
>
> I would appreciate a review, if anyone buys this (or has bought it).
>
> >For Eden fans, they've recently released a cd of demos and rarities on
> >an Australian label, not Projekt.
>
> So what's the title?  and name of the label?  Is it worth the money?
> And while i'm asking questions, is Eden still together?  (it seems like
> there are a lot of side projects going on-- e.g. Sunwheel, Snog)
>
> Finally,  what do Snog sound like and do they or Sunwheel have any full
> length recordings?
>
>
> Thanks ahead for the Edeny Info.,
>                                                                         cz
>

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:28:35 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Going South


This video world premiered yesterday on 120 minutes (hosted by the
oh-so-personalityless chicks of luscious jackson), and I LOVED it.  I was
so happy to see the kennedy/oswald/johnson masks again.  It was great
fun.  Just to think of JFK and Jackie O having all that fun in Las Vegas
gave me way twee warm fuzzies.  :)

Also 4AD-related vids...


Ex-Guernicans Bettie Serveert's new video Ray Ray Rain...stupid video,
great song.

Breeders - saints

and everyone's favorite:  Portishead's Sour Times.  I like this song, and
to be as flame resistant as possible, let's just say they look very
yuppy-ish and the spy theme was carried out in this shadowy video.


Ivo

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:31:25 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: What happened to Kim Deal?


Pardon...It was KELLEY Deal...

------------------------------------------- jvivid@netcom.com
"violet smiles hide my eyes/try and catch
me unaware/but I'm wise/I don't lie/A sensation
to hide..." - violet (S.F.)
-------------------------------------------

On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Jason Lee Phillips wrote:

> I've been off the list for a month, and I haven't heard how the courts
> treated her.  If lucky she'll get off by being on a treatment program or
> something.  It is hard to do an album from the slammer.
> -jason
>

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:36:08 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Does Liz have soul?


Good one Ivo, respect is definitely a funky-soul track!


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On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, ivo wrote:

> I'd say yes...just listen to the backing vocals on TWP's Respect.
>

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:43:26 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Gearheads of the world unite!


In message Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:25:31 -0800,
  Rick Stone   writes:

>>    In response to jcy107@PSU.EDU (jOHN yOCHIM)'s missive from earlier
>> today,  which went something like this...
>>
>>   >> A Fender Twin, a Jazzmaster, Boss Chorus, and a Rat,
>>   >
>>   > A Crate half-stack, a jAZZMASTER, a Arion Flanger, a Crybaby, and a
>>   > Boss Metal-Zone.
>>
>>    I personally play a Jazzmaster through an Alesis Quadraverb GT into a
>>  Fender  Super Reverb.  I love the SR's built-in vibrato, but I'd like
>>  to find a  digital one so I can sync it up to my drum machine.  Can
>>  anyone suggest a  good rack-mount unit, either a multi-effect processor
>>  with digital vibrato or  a vibrato unit itself (if such a thing
>> exists)?  The pursuit is useless here.

Could you somehow slave yr GT to yr Drum machine?  Or would you need a
sequencer for that?

> Whats wrong with the remolo feature (in the eq section of all places) on
> your GT?  I used  to have one myself and used it to get perfectly timed
> tremolo/vibratos.
>

A friend of mine has the Alesis GT, and I hate it.  All the patches sound
*too* digital.  I'm not the type of guy that prefers all vintage/analog
equipment, but it's a matter of personal choice.  I like to "feel" my
distortion... Cheap pedals just sound so darn warm and fuzzy.

> I like to see someone else using a rack-box.  I feel so un-indie using my
> cheezeball ART, but I have having to fuck with pedals.  Its all about
> consistency.
>

It's all about consistency if you like to have yr songs sound the exact same
every time.  I like the fact that my guitar will react differently everytime
I play a song... I like spontaneous and unexpected noise.  Racks are too
safe... although I do wish I had one to fool around with.  Especially for
the EQ and the reverbs.

>
>>  Also, I found a '62 Jazzmaster (red w/ white pickplate and red
>>  headstock, in  excellent condition) at a local store for $869.  Is it
>>  worth it?  I've just  got one of the mid-eighties reissues now, and for
>> the sake of obsession, I'd  kinda like to have the real thing.
>>
>
> I'd say its worth it, but what do I know.  I've seen 'em for upwards of
> $1k.

I would have to disagree.  If you already have one, you really don't need
another.  Unless you want to alter one of them somehow (replacing the stock
pickups with hi-gain pickups like I did), or want to sell yr newer one.
All the talk about how older guitars sound better is just propaganda dished
out by the industry to justify them selling vintage instruments for
outrageous prices.  Spend the money on a different guitar... maybe a
Gibson 335, or a Rickenbacher 330.  That, or get a Jaguar.  I'd like to get
a Gibson Les Paul or a 335.  Expensive, though.

Someone asked what the deal w/ jAZZMASTER is.  Well, it's hard to explain.
There are several reasons why I like them:

-From an aesthetic point of view, they look and feel great

-I like Fenders, but hate Stratocasters and Telecasters... Not many people
   play jAZZMASTERS and jAGUARS.

-I can pretend I'm as coolio as Kevin Shields and go nutz w/ the tremolo
   bar (even though you can do that with any guitar w/ a tremolo bar)

-they have a distinct sound.  They have a distinct look.  Only a certain
   type of person deserves a jAZZMASTER  :-)  (not courtney love, for ex.)

as for those switches, all they do is control volume and tone for the
pickups.

For all you kids that have a jAZZMASTER or jAGUAR, I recommend the Seymore
Duncan replacement pickups for these guitars.  The hi-gain one really helps
increase sustain and volume.  My whole house shakes when I play... I'm going
deaf.

       -jOHN on his way home to play his gee-tar.  Yee-haw!


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:48:51 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Gearheads of the world unite!


I definitely suggest getting that Jazzmaster if you can.....   :)

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On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Rick Stone wrote:

> >
> > In response to jcy107@PSU.EDU (jOHN yOCHIM)'s missive from earlier today,
> > which went something like this...
> >
> > >> A Fender Twin, a Jazzmaster, Boss Chorus, and a Rat,
> > >
> > > A Crate half-stack, a jAZZMASTER, a Arion Flanger, a Crybaby, and a
> > > Boss Metal-Zone.
> >
> > I personally play a Jazzmaster through an Alesis Quadraverb GT into a Fender
> > Super Reverb.  I love the SR's built-in vibrato, but I'd like to find a
> > digital one so I can sync it up to my drum machine.  Can anyone suggest a
> > good rack-mount unit, either a multi-effect processor with digital vibrato o

> > a vibrato unit itself (if such a thing exists)?  The pursuit is useless here

>
> Whats wrong with the remolo feature (in the eq section of all places) on
> your GT?  I used  to have one myself and used it to get perfectly timed
> tremolo/vibratos.
>
> I like to see someone else using a rack-box.  I feel so un-indie using my
> cheezeball ART, but I have having to fuck with pedals.  Its all about
> consistency.
>
> > Also, I found a '62 Jazzmaster (red w/ white pickplate and red headstock, in
> > excellent condition) at a local store for $869.  Is it worth it?  I've just
> > got one of the mid-eighties reissues now, and for the sake of obsession, I'd
> > kinda like to have the real thing.
>
> I'd say its worth it, but what do I know.  I've seen 'em for upwards of $1k.
>
> Rick
>

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:13:43 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...the beautiful pounding sounds...


>..i was just listening to them last night, along with
>  einsturzende neubuten...wonderful....
>
>  *k* ...on mission to clean everything in a single bound...

        All you need is .... Headcleaner!
                             ;)  cz

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:34:43 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


>I've been listening to Brook's _Live at the Aquarium_ and I can't get over how
>great it sounds!  Can anyone tell me of his previous works on Opal Ltd. before
>going to 4AD?  Particularly the albums he did with Daniel Lanois and a sdtk. he
>did with the Edge.  Is there anything else interesting on Opal besides Harold
>Budd?  And if Michael Brook will release anything in the near future?
>-tom

I, too, would like to know of earlier Michael Brook albums.  He produced
and played on an album called Flow Goes the Universe by Laraaji not too
long ago that got rave reviews.  He invented the infinite guitar, of which
there are only 3 in the world: Michael owns one, The Edge has one (that
long pliable note at the beginning of "With or Without You" was played by
it.), and I think Brian Eno has the other one if I'm not mistaken.

Other interesting artists on Opal are: The Great God ENO, his brother Roger
Eno (Voices is one of my fave late-night CDs), and Jon Hassell.

If Michael is releasing anything in the future, please let me know!!

____________________________________________________________________________
John B. Jones
jojones@mailbox.syr.edu

"you're so boring boring boring/always tape machine recording..."
                                        -Dead Kennedys


Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:17:04 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: Slowdive Update

              4AD reording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>

I spoke to Slowdive's manager last Friday & she gave me this update:
"Pygmalio" will not be released in the U.S. until Summer or Fall. The
band has indeed finally gotten free of the dreaded SBK agreement and is
currently label shopping. She said taht she might have further info in a
month.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:16:06 -0600
From: Sanz (bighat@RIPCO.COM)
Subject: VERY LONG Muses Interview

              4AD reording artists list <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>

Hi All,

Here's the Kristin Hersh interview I had mentioned earlier. I only had 25=
=20
minutes, but I think we covered a lot of ground. I didn't get to use=20
many of the questions you submitted, because of time limitation, but=20
thanks to those who provided input.

This version is for the March issue of Subnation, there are a couple more=
=20
things that Kristin spoke about & I post those later this week. It wasn't=
=20
one of my better interviews, but Kristin was GREAT, very=20
charming & chatty.

bye,
Sanz

---------------------
At the age of 14 when most people are coping with adolescent crushes,
Kristin Hersh formed Throwing Muses in order to cope with the maddening
voices and hallucinatory images inside her head. In 1985, Throwing Muses
became the first American band to sign to Britain=D5s 4AD label and they
dazzled fans & critics alike with what Kristin described as =D2hardcore
country" on their raw & witchy self-title debut. The band went on to
release 4 more album each charaterized by Kristin's unique vocal style of
trademark glossolalian shrieks, her increasingly more accomplished guitar
work, and the often harrowing inensity of her emotional imagery.=20
Throughout out their history, the band has been plagued with line-up
changes (a revolving door policy on bassists), but the departure of
guitarist/vocalist Tanya Donnelly (Kristin=D5s half-sister) in 1991 was the
bggest shake-up. Kristin bounced back from Tanya's departure with a
remarkable solo acoustic album "Hips & Makers" and an extensive solo tour,
which left many confused about the future of the band. Now Throwing Muses
have released their 6th album and we find that there was absolutely
nothing to fear; "University" is a sublime and slow burning charmer. With
this release the band seems to have transcended some of the kitchen sink
aspects of previous efforts and have taken a subtler approach while
retaining the feverish essence that has always been present in Throwing
Muses' output. The current Muses line-up, consisting of singer/guitarist
Hersh, drummer David Narcizo (the only other original member), and bassist
Bernard Georges (a former roadie), had just returned from shooting a 2nd
video for =D2BrightY ellow Gun=D3 (the first single) when I had the
conversation with Kristin that is excerpted here.=20

surprised that there is a new Throwing Muses release. What do=20
you get out if the Throwing Muses that you didn't get out of=20
performing solo? Is it a completely different sort of feel=20
for you?

put acoustic songs down for my husband & I guess the kids=D1if they grow up
and care enough. And that tape, I believe, we gave to my manager, down in
Athens Michael Stipe got one, and Ivo, the president of 4AD; they
convinced me to put it out. So I didn't take it seriously until it already
released & I found out I was doing more promo than I ever have & that I
was going to have to tour all by myself. So by that time the Muses record
was already done & it=D5s not like having hit records has ever really been =
a
focus obviously I'd be in a different band. Now I'm getting back to work
at my "real job."=20

point? Did you like that experience?

guitar itself. Its capable of a lot of power and delicacy=20
which is really rare in an instrument that you can play &=20
sing at the same time. I expect those songs to keep coming=20
that need that kind of a picture. They are different from=20
electric songs; they deal with literally a personality=D1people=20
with needs, baby life, coffee & cars. At least my electric=20
songs are a lot more internal=C9or external =C9I=D5ll never really=20
know, but they're somehow grander, more mythical than coffee=20
& cars, which are mythical in their own right or getting to=20
be. [laughs]
With the band that delicacy is a character instead of a=20
timbre of a voice, if you know what I mean. The character of=20
a song is almost like a certain turn & that's where it=20
becomes soft & sweet, but It can never really approach=20
putting all the dimensions of a song into just somebody's=20
neck, 5 strings, muscle & some air. It's a very different=20
thing.

in the band?
be friends. We=D5re bringing the guy who painted my house on=20
the road with us, because we like him. I=D5m trying to teach=20
him how to play keyboards. [Laughs]
Bernard is an excellent bass player. I thought that we would=20
give up either tightness or melodic creativity=C9that I=D5d=20
either have to start to writing the bass lines or I=D5d have to=20
start playing them in the studio, one or the other, and we=20
didn=D5t give up either. This was his first time in the studio=20
every now & then he'd loose it & go "Kris just play this."=20
'Cause it's a hard thing to get used to. We don=D5t really like=20
to play with a click=C9sometimes you have to get a new song=20
approach. It's hard to get used to, using this weird kind of=20
musical ESP to know exactly when the next snare hit is going=20
to be and you start to get all mixed up & confused if you're=20
not getting into the flow. We made him play upright bass,=20
sometimes acoustic & fretless, so he was a little=20
overwhelmed.

back-up vocals on "Snakeface"?
[Tanya Donnelly] do it all the time and she=D5d make me do it=20
on her songs. I=D5d kind of pout the whole time and she'd go=20
[said in a high pitched girlie voice] "No it sounds great!=20
You sound like Lou Reed." And I'd say "Oh shut up." [Tanya:]=20
"No that's cool." It's just lame. I just feel so...like I'm not=20
a real singer or something. If I'm really singing, if a song=20
is singing out of my neck working itself, I have amazing lung=20
power. I sing louder that anyone in the business; I've blown=20
more mics & speakers than anyone.
away from the mic?!
impossible to record me, because I'm too loud and I can't=20
sing quieter if it's not a quiet part. I drive [engineers]=20
literally crazy. Plus the dynamics alone, I go from=20
whispering to that. It drives everyone batty. That's fine; I=20
can sing perfectly. I can do all these vocal tricks that I=20
didn=D5t even know were happening and the minute I'm not=20
singing a song I'm just a retard. I mean it's a silly job to=20
be singing; people don=D5t even want to be heard singing in the=20
shower; it just seems so goofy. But I can=D5t do [sing back-=20
up], so Trina was like "Try this melody." And I was like "Try=20
this one." and then she just sang that one it and I was like=20
"Well that sounds good; let's keep that!" And she was like=20
"Well, no I got a Chicago accent!" [Kristin:] "Ah nobody'll=20
notice." So she tried to imitate me and she can do it! Sorta=20
imitated my voice but with a Chicago accent; she couldn't=20
drop her accent.

make a cool t-shirt. [Laughs] It does make a really good=20
bumper sticker. But we didn't really mean college; we meant=20
universe-ness. We thought it was kind of a psychedelic=20
record.
sixties things?
don't have any idea what we're doing until we hear it later.=20
We just know that we want to be excited all the time and we=20
never want to lie. So often we'll just trust other people to=20
be better listeners. I consider sixties music to be like my=20
Dad's music, which is like a highball to me; I couldn't order=20
one.=20
We always just consider ourselves lucky if we come up with a=20
workable title that doesn=D5t offend anyone. Titling a record=20
is an artificial and pretentious thing to do. You either make=20
it so stupid that you seem like you're part of an inside joke=20
or you make it really poetic and then it's pretentious.=20
There's no way to do it right, so we were lucky to have a=20
title track that had none of us on it, just the babies=20
playing in the studio and that=D5s where you find the universe=20
in babies playing in teeny tracks on a record so we were very=20
lucky in that. [Laughs]

other interviews that songs just come to you in a way. Do you=20
wake up in the middle of the night and there it is or are you=20
in the studio; is it a lot like channeling?
that word in public. I thought I was hallucinating, maybe I=20
am hallucinating, when I was younger. And I've been=20
prescribed many drugs to shut them up, but they don=D5t really=20
shut up. I can get to the point where I stop hearing them,=20
but they get stuck in other parts of my body. I used to get=20
them stuck in my left leg; it would twist up all crazy when=20
we were playing. It was like the songs were just jumping out=20
of my left shin and I just felt out of my mind my whole life=20
because of that.
[My left leg is] the only part that=D5s ever been hurt badly;=20
it was broken in half. When I was 16, I was in a car accident=20
and I lifted my leg up & the foot was gone. There was a break=20
half way down my shin. I found it [the foot] under my leg and=20
put it back on. It healed and I had just a broken leg, but it=20
broke off. I was in a wheelchair. What happened to my face=20
was worse. I slid on my face for 20 feet or so; I didn=D5t have=20
any features left. Very dramatic.
marigold flowers.

[We were interrupted my another interview coming in, so I ask=20
a few final questions]
genderless approach of the Muses?
movement in songs, maybe even sporadic instrumentation.=20
Things that sound crazy when you compare them to=20
straightforward pop structures, which are all very solid very=20
groove oriented. You should have a combination of both those=20
things. The Raincoats are the ultimate in feminine,. Maybe=20
the Velvet Underground, REM has done a lot in that way. But=20
for the most part people are very balanced in their approach.=20
When you=D5re talking about radio friendly rock a lot of that=20
just sounds like jingles. It's not smart to lean on any=20
overly masculine approach right now; it=D5s just boring. I find=20
men to be a little more capable of a feminine approach,=20
because they=D5re not told that there is anything wrong with=20
it. Women learn to shut it up in any venue. So they often=20
write straightforward pop songs that wind up are really=20
boring really predictable and don't how to use anything that=20
might make them sound crazy or deviant.
thinking that they have to compete with this masculine thing?=20
get played on the radio if you don't.=20


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PERSONAL SNAIL: 5602 N. Ridge, Chicago, IL 60660


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