Subject: Re: Medicine
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 10 Jan 1995 to 11 Jan 1995
Subject: Kendra Smith
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: Re: Licorice/Warren
Subject: RE Medecine III
Subject: Renaissance, Led Medicine, and Yoko
Subject: Spoonfed Tour
Subject: PORTISHEAD lyrics
Subject: Renaissance
Subject: Reply to Portishead, and stupid arguments
Subject: Portishead Cratches
Subject: Portishead Cratches
Subject: It Sucks, heh, heh, heh
Subject: Re: Portishead Cratches
Subject: King me!
Subject: "purr" is dead... (Musicians Wanted)
Subject: official 4ad release schedule
Subject: Re: HNIA song on obscure comp
Subject: Love Spirals e-mail address
Subject: TWP London gig...reviews please !!
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Subject: Re: Kendra Smith
Subject: melting hopefuls
Subject: Questions on a couple bands.,
Subject: Re: Portishead Cratches
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: Re: Portishead
Subject: unrest
Subject: {nothing to do with} Love Spirals e-mail address
Subject: air miami
Subject: University
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:17:39 -0800
On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Gil Gershman wrote:
> And it stands up to more repeat listens. Of course, MBV are no longer the
> be-all-end-all of the type of music they helped invent. Lovesliescrushing,
> Seefeel, and many other newcomers have beaten them at their own game.
Well, at least part of the MBV 'game' seems to be originality, which LLC
and everyone else... can't touch. Anyway, out of all the 'mbv imitation'
sounds I've heard... I'd say about half had real content, the rest were
just plain imitation with noo guts. I think we should wait for the
(theoretical) next MBV release before we judge their 'standing' in this
arena.
(and I know you've all heard this before, but I don't think LLC sounds
like MBV at all...)
[email protected]
"He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:24:37 -0800
Okay, enough with the petty bickering... <:-)
Well, I listened to one portis. song in a record store, and I though it
was very weak.
[email protected]
"He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:28:31 -0500
Veering eversoslightly on a tangent here, but why oh why did they have
to overhaul "Time Baby" for the _Crow_? Just my $0.02 here, but I think
the version on the _5ive_ EP leaves the Robin'n'Liz frou-frou remix
gasping in the dust. And then comes the question - where was/is "Time
Baby I," and is that version even more whitenoise than V2.0 on _5ive_?
Prattle, prattle, prattle,
hk
PS. Bought the Portished album today, largely on a whim, putting my
faith on a limb, and I spent the last half hour just driving around
with the aforementioned album in the tape deck. I think I got my
money's worth....
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:33:25 -0600
>on a completely unrelated note, has anyone heard the kendra smith album?
Do you mean the new one's out (on 4AD) already? Or do you want to
know about the Guild of Temporal Adventures E.P.?
The latter is pretty good (especially if you program out the
useless intermission tracks) and better (IMhO) than the track on AVAM. I
enjoyed the EP almost as much as Opal but i doubt she will ever surpass her
days w/ David Roback. If you'd like to know about the new one, i can't
help you there.
If anyone does have a promo of the new album (i hope it didn't get
released while i was sleeping) then please let us all know.
- cz
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:57:34 -0500
Recipients of 4AD-L digests <[email protected]>
>
>CMJ Music Magazine (Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school
>theses with beat box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead
>Can Dance, Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil."
>
>I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody Loves Me),"
>but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?
Well, I have the album and I can't hear the comparison either. Sounds more
like Mazzy Star to me ...
- Milan
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:20:48 -0800
> Also for the diehard HNIA fan Warren told me that he picked up
> a band called "The Equals" last night and he loves them. Eddie Grant of
> "Electric Avenue" fame is in the band. He said that he is also currently
> listening to Yoko Ono!!!!!!??
that darn electric avenue song has haunted me all my life..
i even had a nightmare about it once! beware of the evil that is
eddie grant...
yoko ono is hideous. my mom & stepdad do a fabulous impression of
her concert performance...it truly is something to behold...
yer illusory raindrenched 4ad-l geek the girly *k*
...if ogre and blixa got in a fight, who would in?...
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:25:59 +0000
>
> AAAARGH!!! Ever since their appearance on "The Crow" soundtrack, they've
> been constantly tagged as Cocteau Twin clones, or worse yet, people hear that
> one track and assume all their material is like that. For anyone who has
> heard only that one song ("Time Baby III"): if you liked it, go buy the last
> Cocteau Twins album, because that's what Robin Guthrie was apparently getting
> at when he remixed (read: completely watered down and removed all traces of
> life from) that song for them; if you didn't like it, give them another
> chance - go buy one of their albums.
> from
> jEREMY oRR
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:35:06 +0000
* kelli-jeanne *
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:49:22 +0100
i read spoonfed hybrid is comming to brussels
has anyone seen him live?
reactions please
kristiaan
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:39:31 WET
I'm looking for PORTISHEAD lyrics
Please e-mail me ([email protected])
Thanks
Steph.
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 07:29:47 -0500
There are two Greatest Hits CDs, "Tales of 1001 Nights" Vol. I & II.
I believe I've seen "Ashes are Burning"...but nothing of the last few
releases. Annie has at least two things out. Her self-titled CD is
well recorded...add that to her clear, strong voice and it is a
pleasant experience. I don't recall much about the first album "Annie
in Wonderland" except for the last song. It is a traditional song from
Scotland (?)...you would recognize the melody instantly.
Timothy Conlon
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:31:07 -0600
11 Jan 95 12:42:33 PST" <[email protected]>
>Anyway, I just made that comment about Portishead because everyone was
>going off about how wonderful they thought the band was, and I thought
>that it was my right to voice my opinion about how I think they suck.
>but, apparently, according to you, I can't voice my opinion (unlike
>everyone else), so I suppose I was wrong..... sorry .... sheesh.
As far as I'm concerned, all opinions are welcome here.
I, too, bought the Tindersticks debut based
on it's being MM's pick of the year and didn't like it. (Someone
else had mentioned this.)
I didn't want the same thing to happen with Portishead.
Some think Portishead are wunnerful, thanks for your opinion.
Some think Portishead suck, thanks for your opinion.
___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:13:20 -0500
>>>>>
Mark Ingram said,
Gee, I actually liked Portishead and thought it was interesting. I ignore
so much music, but I actually felt compelled to listen to this.
I have a question that the cognoscenti on this list may be able to answer.
I thought the recording was deliberately done in such a fashion as to make
certain cuts sound like old records, noisy that is. Am I reading too much
into this? Heck, maybe it IS badly recorded.
>>>
>>>
Well, it sounds old-fashioned and cratchy like old records because they
sampled a bunch of old records from the 50's and 60's. It's brilliant.
Many of the rhythm tracks have a very loose, jazz, feel to them AND the
crackles from the record. Very cool.
The earlier reference to Billie Holiday is very accurate. I grew up
listening to her stuff so I guess that's why Portishead works well for me.
On to the next great discovery.
Jan
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:13:21 -0500
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:19:53 -0500
>>>
ivo said:
Anyway, I just made that comment about Portishead because everyone was
going off about how wonderful they thought the band was, and I thought
that it was my right to voice my opinion about how I think they suck.
but, apparently, according to you, I can't voice my opinion (unlike
everyone else), so I suppose I was wrong..... sorry .... sheesh.
>>>
>>>
Darling Ivo,
It's not that you voiced your opinion that set everyone off it's HOW you
voice your opionion. "Suck" is not a quality description of anything,
although your detailed description of why they didn't work for you was fine.
There's noting wrong with disagreeing with someone, it's a natural part of
any discussion, but too much judgemental language is going to put people
off. Manners go a long way.
Anyway, I'm finished with this discussion. You guys really are a lot of fun
Jan
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:10:18 WET
at Jan 12, 95 5:13 am
A little thing to add.
The CD has been recorded in MONO.
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:27:54 CST
Has anyone been able to get a promo copy of Belly's _King_ album
yet? It seems odd that no one has considering how long ago it was
recorded.
"...I'm your faithless companion." - Tanya D.
- Dave
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:40:07 GMT
"purr" is dead...
On the 10th of January 1995, purr finally disbanded (no pun intended).
After just a handful (missing a few fingers) of London dates, I decided
that the current line up of purr was never going to be a success - 3
average guitarists was just too much of a burden - and it wasn't worth
continuing. The rest of the band currently intend to carry on without
me, under a different name of course, and maybe the (amicable) split
will do both parties good.
....long live "purr"
However, far be it from me to put my feet up. I'm currently writing new
songs in my home studio and the freedom from the band have given me a
new perspective on writing that has resulted in the music for my latest
piece being one of the best yet. Now if only I could come up with some
lyrics for it...
In the meantime, I am looking for new musicians so please mail me if you
are, or know anyone who might be, interested. The ads should be in Melody
Maker and Loot imminently.
And watch this space...
Robb
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:07:35 -0800
Here is the official 4AD 1995 release schedule
(the first few are old news)
Jan 17 - Throwing Muses 'University'
Jan 24 - The Wolfgang Press 'Funky Little Demons'
Feb 14 - Belly 'King'
Mar 28 - Red House Painters 'Ocean Beach'
Apr 22 - Kendra Smith TBA
Jun 13 - Licorice
Jenny Toomey of Tsunami, Dan Littleton of Ida,
Trey Many from His Name Is Alive
Jun 13 (tentative) - Lisa Gerrard solo album
Sep 12 (tentative) - Brendan Perry solo album
Sep 26 - Heidi Berry
Oct 10 - Air Miami
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| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 |
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:31:30 -0800
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Date: 1/11/95 9:12 PM
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:33:26 +0000
ivo
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:29:51 +0000
I don't quite see the link between Medecine and Led Zep.
I feel they edge more to the CT sound especially as their
last single (Time Baby 3 from The Crow soundtrack) was produced
by them and had Liz on backing vocals. I had a mad two weeks over
the summer when I was really into them and bought everything I could
find by them. I haven't had a listen for a while so maybe I missed
the LZ similarity.
Wasn't there a heavy metal band called Medecine Head?
I haven't bought any music this year. What do you suggest?
'H'
PS On my walkman this morning. SNAPPER.
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:12 -0800
On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Ryan L wrote:
> heard they couldn;t use the HNIA on a non-4ad release, thus the slightly
> altered name (even though there us still the 'appears courtesy of 4AD' next
> to their track on the credits). The compilation, as a whole, is supposed
to
> be very noisy. If anyone's interested in it, email me, or
[email protected],
> which is Lasersound and Vision, who I would imagine could hook you up with
> the CD.
actually, jeff reid is on the Net {co-Isomorpher} so you may wish to
to e-mail him about obtaining th
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:11:44 -0500
Have I mentioned before that Love Spirals Downwards has an email address? In
fact, in an upcoming issue of Alternative Press, their's and lots of other
bands will have their email addresses and WWW site info listed. As for LSD,
their's is:
[email protected]
Yikes, Portishead-related flaming galore! I've only heard a song or two from
them before and wasn't too impressed, especially with her voice. However,
I'm still interested in investing in a copy of Dummy so I can really give it
a good listen.
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:37:59 +0000
Did any listers make it to the TWP/Dust Brothers gig at the Jazz Cafe
on Wednesday night? I would have gone, but the nine hour return drive to
get back to work put me off...Review please?!
Anymore news on the dates for the album promotion tour? I've heard nowt
from Cliff at "fourad"...
Cheers...
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| Andrew Wappat | "..spitting out feathers, |
| e-mail: [email protected] | spitting out oar-blades.." !
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:16:45 EST
> >CMJ Music Magazine (Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school
> >theses with beat box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead
> >Can Dance, Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil."
That's because CMJ is a ridiculous little "we're so hip it hurts"
magazine which masquerades as (and used to BE) a college radio trade
magazine. It's a victim of itself, actually. Once upon a time, CMJ
was started to give college radio a voice in the music industry, and
to help college radio keep aware of other college radio.
Then postmodern alternative cuttingedge-ism happened, and CMJ became
a the only established trade magazine that was devoted to that
demographic.
(And the original three founders of the magazine left.)
Diatribe off, but my point: CMJ should not be used as a source
for any kind of intelligent observations about music. They do print
a nice "Upcoming Releases" page, though. :-)
> >I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody Loves Me),"
> >but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?
>
> Well, I have the album and I can't hear the comparison either. Sounds more
> like Mazzy Star to me ...
Hmm. How about this:
Portishead:alterna-jazz-dub::Digable Planets:hiphop-jazz-dub.
Any takers?
Andrew
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:56:20 -0500
Heffalump
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:27:54 EST
> >on a completely unrelated note, has anyone heard the kendra smith album?
>
> Do you mean the new one's out (on 4AD) already? Or do you want to
> know about the Guild of Temporal Adventures E.P.?
> The latter is pretty good (especially if you program out the
> useless intermission tracks) and better (IMhO) than the track on AVAM.
Ouch. :-) I thought the intermission tracks were the great --
better than a couple of the songs (although "Waiting in the Rain" is
fantastic).
The track on AVAM is a cover of an traditional celtic reel. It's
nice, but it's not Kendra.
She does a vocal on one of the Rain Parade records too. The title
escapes me at the moment. It's not her shining moment either.
She does do a *great* cover of "Holocaust" as well as a couple others
on the V/A _Rainy_Day_ record, with David Roback. Susanna Hoffs does a
great cover of VU's "I'll Be Your Mirror" on the same record. It has
suffered the same availability/distribution problems as most of the
Rough Trade catalog, but it can still be found every now and then.
> I
> enjoyed the EP almost as much as Opal but i doubt she will ever surpass her
> days w/ David Roback. If you'd like to know about the new one, i can't
> help you there.
_Early_Recordings_ was the only record my roomate freshman year in
college and I could agree on. He only listened to Rush, Paula Abdul,
and Tone Loc. :-)
Andrew
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:37:00 PST
a possibly offensive question... has anyone heard of the melting hopefuls?
some of their stuff is quite belly-like. they had an album out last year, but
based on the recording dates i think it was a singles comp.
- endless mike
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:04:22 PST
Could anyone tell me a bit about the following bands. new fads....collective
soul....gordon giltrap...and deus.
thanks,
Shelly
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:21:44 EST
12 Jan 1995 05:13:20 -0500 from Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:21:02 -0500
Responding to a "convo" between [email protected] and [email protected] (Milan
Pejnovich), which went as such
>From shane:
>> CMJ Music Magazine (Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody
>> film school theses with beat box backing," and recommends it if
>> you like: "Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil."
>>
>> I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody Loves
>> Me)," but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?
>From Milan:
> Well, I have the album and I can't hear the comparison either.
> Sounds more like Mazzy Star to me ...
I've only heard "Sour Times" once, but I would be hard-pressed to think of a
band it sounds *less* like than Mazzy Star. But don't listen to CMJ, anyway.
The whole thing just reminds me of the day I went to a local music store when
Swallow's _Blow_ came out. I asked the guy if he'd heard it... "Yeah,
sounds like Lush or something." I just rolled my eyes and bought it anyway.
Anyway, after hearing all about Portishead for months, I'm finally going to
take the plunge and go buy _Dummy_ tonight. I can't take the curiosity any
longer!
Later...
from
jEREMY oRR
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:32:39 -0800
A.J. Norman writes:
>By the way, I have found a really good substitute band for those of you
>who are sad that Led Zeppelin aren't around any more. Their name is
>Medicine...
Hey! Keep the trolling on Usenet where it belongs!
echoes last year's (or was it '93's?) huge Medicine religious war. The John
vs. jOHN thing. Let's _NOT_ re-open the dang thing, okay?
As for Portishead ... I'd like to think that we can discuss why we
individually like or don't like a band without having to (a) descend to the
"it sucks" level or (b) take everyone else's criticisms personally and treat
them as attacks. In particular, my reply to Ivo (and A.J.N.s) described
reasons why Portishead purposely sound the way they do ... which is not to
deny Ivo his right to dislike them, of course.
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:43:47 -0800
jOHN writes:
>It's kinda like me saying "Portishead are the next BREEDERS" when I have
>heard nothing but that one song MTV plays all day.
Ahh, they're on MTV? That explains why I've never, ever heard anything by
them on the radio. All the stations I listen to are far too cool to play
anything that would be on MTV. Which can be a real problem in some cases;
fortunately I had word of mouth.
shane writes:
> Sorry to keep opening this wound, but... CMJ Music Magazine
>(Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school theses with beat
>box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead Can Dance, Cocteau
>Twins and This Mortal Coil."
That's just their way of saying Portishead are thislisty. I don't really
think they sound like any of those three. Spooky jazzy hip-hop torch songs
with lots of weird samples.
Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ [email protected]
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...stay as you are
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:00:57 GMT
> Diatribe off, but my point: CMJ should not be used as a source
>for any kind of intelligent observations about music. They do print
>a nice "Upcoming Releases" page, though. :-)
So what magazines should we be reading? Any of them come with a free CD?
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:01:46 GMT
> Diatribe off, but my point: CMJ should not be used as a source
>for any kind of intelligent observations about music. They do print
>a nice "Upcoming Releases" page, though. :-)
So what magazines should we be reading? Any of them come with a CD?
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:04:45 -0500
does anyone out there have guitar tabs for any unrest songs? Or know of a
sit where I can get them?
--thanks
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:06:08 -0800
> Yikes, Portishead-related flaming galore! I've only heard a song or two from
> them before and wasn't too impressed, especially with her voice. However,
> I'm still interested in investing in a copy of Dummy so I can really give it
> a good listen.
the song that plays on the radio and mtv sounds like a james bond
theme. i can't see why they are so appealing, but i guess some
people need that sort of mellow muzak in their lives...
for your eyes only, *k*