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Subject: Re: Medicine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:17:39 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:24:37 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 10 Jan 1995 to 11 Jan 1995
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:28:31 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Kendra Smith
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:33:25 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:57:34 -0500
From: Milan Pejnovich (mxp9@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Licorice/Warren
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:20:48 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: RE Medecine III
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:25:59 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Renaissance, Led Medicine, and Yoko
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:35:06 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Spoonfed Tour
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:49:22 +0100
From: Kristiaan Art (Kristiaan.Art@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: PORTISHEAD lyrics
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:39:31 WET
From: Stephane Lanfranchi (stephane@DAG-SDI.SGA.FR)
Subject: Renaissance
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 07:29:47 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Reply to Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:31:07 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Portishead Cratches
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:13:20 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Portishead Cratches
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:13:21 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: It Sucks, heh, heh, heh
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:19:53 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead Cratches
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:10:18 WET
From: Stephane Lanfranchi (stephane@DAG-SDI.SGA.FR)
Subject: King me!
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:27:54 CST
From: David Sokol (sokol@SPARC.NCPA.OLEMISS.EDU)
Subject: "purr" is dead... (Musicians Wanted)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:40:07 GMT
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: official 4ad release schedule
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:07:35 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA song on obscure comp
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:12 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Love Spirals e-mail address
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:11:44 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: TWP London gig...reviews please !!
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:37:59 +0000
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:16:45 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:56:20 -0500
From: Steven W Schuldt (sschuldt@NEWYORK.BOZELL.COM)
Subject: Re: Kendra Smith
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:27:54 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: melting hopefuls
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:37:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUC40@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Questions on a couple bands.,
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:04:22 PST
From: shelly rae lesher (srlesher@PINE.SHU.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Portishead Cratches
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:21:44 EST
From: Mark Ingram (MAINGR01@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:21:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:32:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:43:47 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:00:57 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:01:46 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: unrest
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:04:45 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: {nothing to do with} Love Spirals e-mail address
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:06:08 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: air miami
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:16:34 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: University
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:46:35 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:17:39 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine


On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Gil Gershman wrote:

> And it stands up to more repeat listens. Of course, MBV are no longer the
> be-all-end-all of the type of music they helped invent. Lovesliescrushing,
> Seefeel, and many other newcomers have beaten them at their own game.

Well, at least part of the MBV 'game' seems to be originality, which LLC
and everyone else... can't touch.  Anyway, out of all the 'mbv imitation'
sounds I've heard... I'd say about half had real content, the rest were
just plain imitation with noo guts.  I think we should wait for the
(theoretical) next MBV release before we judge their 'standing' in this
arena.

(and I know you've all heard this before, but I don't think LLC sounds
like MBV at all...)

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:24:37 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments


Okay, enough with the petty bickering...  <:-)

Well, I listened to one portis. song in a record store, and I though it
was very weak.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:28:31 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 10 Jan 1995 to 11 Jan 1995


Veering eversoslightly on a tangent here, but why oh why did they have
to overhaul "Time Baby" for the _Crow_?  Just my $0.02 here, but I think
the version on the _5ive_ EP leaves the Robin'n'Liz frou-frou remix
gasping in the dust.  And then comes the question - where was/is "Time
Baby I," and is that version even more whitenoise than V2.0 on _5ive_?

Prattle, prattle, prattle,


hk

PS. Bought the Portished album today, largely on a whim, putting my
faith on a limb, and I spent the last half hour just driving around
with the aforementioned album in the tape deck. I think I got my
money's worth....


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:33:25 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Kendra Smith


>on a completely unrelated note, has anyone heard the kendra smith album?

        Do you mean the new one's out (on 4AD) already?  Or do you want to
know about the Guild of Temporal Adventures  E.P.?
        The latter is pretty good (especially if you program out the
useless intermission tracks) and better (IMhO) than the track on AVAM.  I
enjoyed the EP almost as much as Opal but i doubt she will ever surpass her
days w/ David Roback.  If you'd like to know about the new one, i can't
help you there.
        If anyone does have a promo of the new album (i hope it didn't get
released while i was sleeping) then please let us all know.

                                                                        - cz


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 01:57:34 -0500
From: Milan Pejnovich (mxp9@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead

              Recipients of 4AD-L digests <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>

>
>CMJ Music Magazine (Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school
>theses with beat box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead
>Can Dance, Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil."
>
>I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody Loves Me),"
>but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?

Well, I have the album and I can't hear the comparison either.  Sounds more
like Mazzy Star to me ...

- Milan

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:20:48 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Licorice/Warren


>     Also for the diehard HNIA fan Warren told me that he picked up
> a band called "The Equals" last night and he loves them.  Eddie Grant of
> "Electric Avenue" fame is in the band. He said that he is also currently
> listening to Yoko Ono!!!!!!??

  that darn electric avenue song has haunted me all my life..
  i even had a nightmare about it once! beware of the evil that is
  eddie grant...

  yoko ono is hideous. my mom & stepdad do a fabulous impression of
  her concert performance...it truly is something to behold...

  yer illusory raindrenched 4ad-l geek the girly *k*

  ...if ogre and blixa got in a fight, who would in?...


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:25:59 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: RE Medecine III


>
> AAAARGH!!!  Ever since their appearance on "The Crow" soundtrack, they've
> been constantly tagged as Cocteau Twin clones, or worse yet, people hear that
> one track and assume all their material is like that.  For anyone who has
> heard only that one song ("Time Baby III"): if you liked it, go buy the last
> Cocteau Twins album, because that's what Robin Guthrie was apparently getting
> at when he remixed (read: completely watered down and removed all traces of
> life from) that song for them; if you didn't like it, give them another
> chance - go buy one of their albums.
> from
> jEREMY oRR
> 
>
I got Shot Forth etc about 15 months ago way before The Crow.
I prefer the original Time Baby .
I was just trying to make the point that they don't sound
like Led Zeppelin. (IMHO Thank God).

'H'

PS Got a Creation Records Sampler with a Heidi Berry track which is
quite cute and cuddly.

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:35:06 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Renaissance, Led Medicine, and Yoko


* kelli-jeanne *  wrote:
>
> yoko ono is hideous. my mom & stepdad do a fabulous impression of her
> concert performance...it truly is something to behold...

Yoko is utterly fab.  Zappa's "Playground Psychotics" has a few songs by
Lennon and Yoko with the Mothers in about 71, including the fine
"Scumbag" and a long feedback & screaming bit called "A Small Eternity
With Yoko Ono".  Her more straightforward pop songs are pretty good, too
- "Death of Samantha", "Spec of Dust", etc.  I blame Jane Asher for the
Beatles split.

Jeremy Orr  wrote:
>
> First, nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK (A.J. Norman) wrote:
>
>> By the way, I have found a really good substitute band for those of you
>> who are sad that Led Zeppelin aren't around any more.  Their name is
>> Medicine...
>
> WHAT?!?  Of all the stupid things I've read (and even said) on the
> Internet, that's number one with a bullet.  Gritting my teeth through
> somewhat-valid-on-the-surface My Bloody Valentine comparisons is one
> thing, but fer cryin' out loud.

If I tell you my real opinion of Medicine, I think you would like me
even less.  The comment was a *joke* - as someone else has pointed out,
there was a long and futile flame-war on this subject last year.  If
certain people don't like Portishead (or M*d*c*n*), that's cool -
there's no reason to get heated about it.

Brant Nelson  wrote:
>
> straying away from 4AD for the moment but keeping to the topic of great
> female singers, does anyone else on the list like Renaissance?
....

> Anybody know what she's doing now?

I have a feeling that a triple CD set of remixed Renaissance songs was
released just before Christmas here in the UK.  I have certainly seen a
large CD-sized box with the word "Renaissance" on it.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 12/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Pram - Iron Lung
We rest.  - A dream has power to poison sleep;


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:49:22 +0100
From: Kristiaan Art (Kristiaan.Art@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Spoonfed Tour


i read spoonfed hybrid is comming to brussels
has anyone seen him live?
reactions please

kristiaan

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:39:31 WET
From: Stephane Lanfranchi (stephane@DAG-SDI.SGA.FR)
Subject: PORTISHEAD lyrics


I'm looking for PORTISHEAD lyrics

Please e-mail me (stephane@dag-sdi.sga.fr)

Thanks
        Steph.


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 07:29:47 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Renaissance


  There are two Greatest Hits CDs, "Tales of 1001 Nights"  Vol. I & II.
I believe I've seen "Ashes are Burning"...but nothing of the last few
releases.  Annie has at least two things out.  Her self-titled CD is
well recorded...add that to her clear, strong voice and it is a
pleasant experience.  I don't recall much about the first album "Annie
in Wonderland" except for the last song.  It is a traditional song from
 Scotland (?)...you would recognize the melody instantly.

Timothy Conlon


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:31:07 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Portishead, and stupid arguments

              11 Jan 95 12:42:33 PST" <2f1451f96999002@cdsmail.cdc.com>

>Anyway, I just made that comment about Portishead because everyone was
>going off about how wonderful they thought the band was, and I thought
>that it was my right to voice my opinion about how I think they suck.

>but, apparently, according to you, I can't voice my opinion (unlike
>everyone else), so I suppose I was wrong..... sorry .... sheesh.

As far as I'm concerned, all opinions are welcome here.
I, too, bought the Tindersticks debut based
on it's being MM's pick of the year and didn't like it. (Someone
else had mentioned this.)
I didn't want the same thing to happen with Portishead.
Some think Portishead are wunnerful, thanks for your opinion.
Some think Portishead suck, thanks for your opinion.

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:13:20 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Portishead Cratches


>>>>>
Mark Ingram said,

Gee, I actually liked Portishead and thought it was interesting. I ignore
so much music, but I actually felt compelled to listen to this.
I have a question that the cognoscenti on this list may be able to answer.
I thought the recording was deliberately done in such a fashion as to make
certain cuts sound like old records, noisy that is. Am I reading too much
into this? Heck, maybe it IS badly recorded.
>>>
>>>

Well, it sounds old-fashioned and cratchy like old records because they
sampled a bunch of old records from the 50's and 60's.  It's brilliant.
Many of the rhythm tracks have a very loose, jazz, feel to them AND the
crackles from the record.  Very cool.

The earlier reference to Billie Holiday is very accurate.   I grew up
listening to her stuff so I guess that's why Portishead works well for me.

On to the next great discovery.

Jan

==================================================================
Jan Hanford - Logika Inc. - Walter Shelby Group Ltd.
jhanford@shelby.com - Internet Software Developers
==================================================================

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:13:21 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM) >>> Brant Nelson said: straying away from 4AD for the moment but keeping to the topic of great female singers, does anyone else on the list like Renaissance? They were a 70's art-rock band who started >>> Fabulous! You must be as old as ME! Renaissance was a real find back in teh '70's. I was in music school and the idea of mixing rock and classical was academically taboo and I was very impressed with them. Annie Haslam's solo record is great. I think she married Roy Wood (of Move and ELO) and I haven't heard anything about her in years. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Sigh. Jan ================================================================== Jan Hanford - Logika Inc. - Walter Shelby Group Ltd. jhanford@shelby.com - Internet Software Developers ==================================================================

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 05:19:53 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: It Sucks, heh, heh, heh


>>>
ivo said:

Anyway, I just made that comment about Portishead because everyone was
going off about how wonderful they thought the band was, and I thought
that it was my right to voice my opinion about how I think they suck.

but, apparently, according to you, I can't voice my opinion (unlike
everyone else), so I suppose I was wrong..... sorry .... sheesh.
>>>
>>>

Darling Ivo,

It's not that you voiced your opinion that set everyone off it's HOW you
voice your opionion.  "Suck" is not a quality description of anything,
although your detailed description of why they didn't work for you was fine.

There's noting wrong with disagreeing with someone, it's a natural part of
any discussion, but too much judgemental language is going to put people
off.  Manners go a long way.

Anyway, I'm finished with this discussion.  You guys really are a lot of fun

Jan

==================================================================
Jan Hanford - Logika Inc. - Walter Shelby Group Ltd.
jhanford@shelby.com - Internet Software Developers
==================================================================

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:10:18 WET
From: Stephane Lanfranchi (stephane@DAG-SDI.SGA.FR)
Subject: Re: Portishead Cratches

              at Jan 12, 95 5:13 am

A little thing to add.

The CD has been recorded in MONO.


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:27:54 CST
From: David Sokol (sokol@SPARC.NCPA.OLEMISS.EDU)
Subject: King me!


Has anyone been able to get a promo copy of Belly's _King_ album
yet?  It seems odd that no one has considering how long ago it was
recorded.


"...I'm your faithless companion." - Tanya D.


           - Dave


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:40:07 GMT
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: "purr" is dead... (Musicians Wanted)


"purr" is dead...

On the 10th of January 1995, purr finally disbanded (no pun intended).

After just a handful (missing a few fingers) of London dates, I decided
that the current line up of purr was never going to be a success - 3
average guitarists was just too much of a burden - and it wasn't worth
continuing. The rest of the band currently intend to carry on without
me, under a different name of course, and maybe the (amicable) split
will do both parties good.

....long live "purr"

However, far be it from me to put my feet up. I'm currently writing new
songs in my home studio and the freedom from the band have given me a
new perspective on writing that has resulted in the music for my latest
piece being one of the best yet. Now if only I could come up with some
lyrics for it...
In the meantime, I am looking for new musicians so please mail me if you
are, or know anyone who might be, interested. The ads should be in Melody
Maker and Loot imminently.

And watch this space...

Robb
________________________________________________________________________________
                |
Robb Masters    | BT D&P SSI BSEC Churchill Engineering Centre (Gower Street)
hype"purr"space | http://www.crg.cs.nott.ac.uk/Music/New_Bands/purr/purr.html
________________|_______________________________________________________________


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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:07:35 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: official 4ad release schedule


Here is the official 4AD 1995 release schedule
(the first few are old news)

Jan 17 - Throwing Muses 'University'

Jan 24 - The Wolfgang Press 'Funky Little Demons'

Feb 14 - Belly 'King'

Mar 28 - Red House Painters 'Ocean Beach'

Apr 22 - Kendra Smith TBA

Jun 13 - Licorice
         Jenny Toomey of Tsunami, Dan Littleton of Ida,
         Trey Many from His Name Is Alive

Jun 13 (tentative) - Lisa Gerrard solo album

Sep 12 (tentative) - Brendan Perry solo album

Sep 26 - Heidi Berry

Oct 10 - Air Miami


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 |  you can't chop down symmetry
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     |
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:31:30 -0800
From: Scott Bongiorno (scott_bongiorno@GENMAGIC.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 10 Jan 19


--------------------------------------

Date: 1/11/95 9:12 PM
From: 4ad recording artists list !!! Original message was too large. !!! !!! It is contained in the enclosure whose name !!! is the same as the subject of this message. !!! !!! A preview of the message follows: There are 45 messages totalling 996 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Portishead (7) 2. Medecine (4) 3. HNIA song on obscure comp 4. CAD703;is it rare? (3) 5. wolfgang press 6. CT Interview 7. Lush and the song Child Catcher 8. CT Interview, Too 9. Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics (2) 10. Seefeel 11. Portishead, and stupid arguments (5) 12. Medicine (3) 13. Seefeel on Eastwest? (2) 14. Shady World? (3) 15. Seefeel on Eastwest? (fwd) 16. Licorice/Warren 17. All Virgos Are Sad 18. Renaissance (3) 19. (d)HNIA song on obscure comp 20. CT Interview (Echo) 21. Medicine as Led Zep? 22. (COPY) Undeliverable Mail ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:33:26 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Portishead


ivo  wrote:
>
> I don't really see what everyone thinks is so great about Portishead.

Ditto with me and the Wolfgang Press, amongst many others.  I don't get
heated about it.  Why do people buy Michael Bolton records?

> I mean, yes, Sour Times and that other song, whose name escapes me are
> good songs, but the rest is trash, as far as I'm concerned.

I find this a bit odd.  I can't really see much difference in quality
between the songs on the album (apart from the dodgy lyrics to "Glory
Box", which sound like the sort of self-pitying whining that Janis
Joplin indulged in too often).  I can't understand why someone would
like "Sour Times" and (I assume) "Numb", but not the others.

> It's underproduced, recorded like shit, and the chick's vocals are so
> wavery, she sounds like she's going to burst into tears.

I have to disagree with this one.  The production sound is very
deliberate - some of the sounds on the album were cut on acetates and
then played back to get that authentic crackly vinyl sound.  I was
listening to "Strangers" as I came across the park this morning, and
there's a constant repeated crackle in the background - that sort of
thing doesn't happen by accident.  Geoff Barrows has a long history as
a recording engineer - he did some work on Neneh Cherry's last album,
amongst others.  If you don't like Beth's voice, that's your taste.
If radio stations are playing their singles, what's so bad about that?
Just because something's popular doesn't *have* to mean it's rubbish.

By the way, I have found a really good substitute band for those of you
who are sad that Led Zeppelin aren't around any more.  Their name is
Medicine...

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 11/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Portishead - Dummy
One mood or modulation like the last.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:29:51 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@UNIX.YORK.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Medecine


I don't quite see the link between Medecine and Led Zep.
I feel they edge more to the CT sound especially as their
last single (Time Baby 3 from The Crow soundtrack) was produced
by them and had Liz on backing vocals. I had a mad two weeks over
the summer when I was really into them and bought everything I could
find by them. I haven't had a listen for a while so maybe I missed
the LZ similarity.

Wasn't there a heavy metal band called Medecine Head?

I haven't bought any music this year. What do you suggest?

'H'


PS On my walkman this morning. SNAPPER.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:12 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA song on obscure comp


On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Ryan L wrote:

> heard they couldn;t use the HNIA on a non-4ad release, thus the slightly
> altered name (even though there us still the 'appears courtesy of 4AD' next
> to their track on the credits).  The compilation, as a whole, is supposed
to
> be very noisy.  If anyone's interested in it, email me, or
darkwave2@aol.com,
> which is Lasersound and Vision, who I would imagine could hook you up with
> the CD.

  actually, jeff reid is on the Net {co-Isomorpher} so you may wish to
  to e-mail him about obtaining th


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:11:44 -0500
From: Melvin Snerdly (Popolv@AOL.COM)
Subject: Love Spirals e-mail address


Have I mentioned before that Love Spirals Downwards has an email address?  In
fact, in an upcoming issue of Alternative Press, their's and lots of other
bands will have their email addresses and WWW site info listed.  As for LSD,
their's is:
LSpiralsD@aol.com

Yikes, Portishead-related flaming galore!  I've only heard a song or two from
them before and wasn't too impressed, especially with her voice.  However,
I'm still interested in investing in a copy of Dummy so I can really give it
a good listen.


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:37:59 +0000
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: TWP London gig...reviews please !!


Did any listers make it to the TWP/Dust Brothers gig at the Jazz Cafe
on Wednesday night? I would have gone, but the nine hour return drive to
get back to work put me off...Review please?!
Anymore news on the dates for the album promotion tour? I've heard nowt
from Cliff at "fourad"...
Cheers...
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
|              Andrew Wappat               |   "..spitting out feathers,      |
|     e-mail: G.S.Walker@durham.ac.uk      |      spitting out oar-blades.."  !
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:16:45 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


> >CMJ Music Magazine (Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school
> >theses with beat box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead
> >Can Dance, Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil."

   That's because CMJ is a ridiculous little "we're so hip it hurts"
magazine which masquerades as (and used to BE) a college radio trade
magazine.  It's a victim of itself, actually.  Once upon a time, CMJ
was started to give college radio a voice in the music industry, and
to help college radio keep aware of other college radio.
   Then postmodern alternative cuttingedge-ism happened, and CMJ became
a the only established trade magazine that was devoted to that
demographic.
   (And the original three founders of the magazine left.)

   Diatribe off, but my point:  CMJ should not be used as a source
for any kind of intelligent observations about music.  They do print
a nice "Upcoming Releases" page, though.  :-)

> >I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody Loves Me),"
> >but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?
>
> Well, I have the album and I can't hear the comparison either.  Sounds more
> like Mazzy Star to me ...

   Hmm.  How about this:

   Portishead:alterna-jazz-dub::Digable Planets:hiphop-jazz-dub.
   Any takers?

   Andrew

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:56:20 -0500
From: Steven W Schuldt (sschuldt@NEWYORK.BOZELL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments


Heffalump  writes:
>Okay, enough with the petty bickering...  <:-)
>
>Well, I listened to one portis. song in a record store, and I though it
>was very weak.
>
AAAAAaaargh!!!  "Dummy" _is_ a 'weak' record - in the best possible sense.
It is a lonely-late-night sort of affair and is best listened to in it's
entirety as background music to whatever nefariousness you may be getting up
to late-night.  The thought of some clueless goon strapping on the headphones
to grab a snippet of one track in a bustling suburban record shop and deciding
that Portishead are hype drives me BATSHIT!

Ahem.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:27:54 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Kendra Smith


> >on a completely unrelated note, has anyone heard the kendra smith album?
>
> Do you mean the new one's out (on 4AD) already?  Or do you want to
> know about the Guild of Temporal Adventures  E.P.?
> The latter is pretty good (especially if you program out the
> useless intermission tracks) and better (IMhO) than the track on AVAM.

   Ouch.  :-)  I thought the intermission tracks were the great --
better than a couple of the songs (although "Waiting in the Rain" is
fantastic).
   The track on AVAM is a cover of an traditional celtic reel.  It's
nice, but it's not Kendra.

   She does a vocal on one of the Rain Parade records too.  The title
escapes me at the moment.  It's not her shining moment either.

   She does do a *great* cover of "Holocaust" as well as a couple others
on the V/A _Rainy_Day_ record, with David Roback.  Susanna Hoffs does a
great cover of VU's "I'll Be Your Mirror" on the same record.  It has
suffered the same availability/distribution problems as most of the
Rough Trade catalog, but it can still be found every now and then.

> I
> enjoyed the EP almost as much as Opal but i doubt she will ever surpass her
> days w/ David Roback.  If you'd like to know about the new one, i can't
> help you there.

   _Early_Recordings_ was the only record my roomate freshman year in
college and I could agree on.  He only listened to Rush, Paula Abdul,
and Tone Loc.  :-)

   Andrew

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:37:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUC40@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: melting hopefuls


a possibly offensive question...  has anyone heard of the melting hopefuls?
some of their stuff is quite belly-like.  they had an album out last year, but
based on the recording dates i think it was a singles comp.


                                              - endless mike

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:04:22 PST
From: shelly rae lesher (srlesher@PINE.SHU.AC.UK)
Subject: Questions on a couple bands.,


Could anyone tell me a bit about the following bands.  new fads....collective
soul....gordon giltrap...and deus.

thanks,
Shelly
srlesher@pine.shu.uk.ac


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:21:44 EST
From: Mark Ingram (MAINGR01@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead Cratches

              12 Jan 1995 05:13:20 -0500 from 

Jan, maybe that Billie Holiday aspect is something that appealled to me.
I've always loved Lester Young and Lady Day. Interesting that this would
come up on this list. It seems that what was once "alternative" has expanded
to be an all inclusive form of music that can be anything or go anywhere.
Whether y'all like DUMMY or not, I have enjoyed the discourse.
Mark Ingram
maingr01@ukcc.uky.edu


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:21:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


Responding to a "convo" between shane@TREX.ORG and mxp9@PSU.EDU (Milan
Pejnovich), which went as such

>From shane:

>> CMJ Music Magazine (Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody
>> film school theses with beat box backing," and recommends it if
>> you like: "Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil."
>>
>> I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody Loves
>> Me)," but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?

>From Milan:

> Well, I have the album and I can't hear the comparison either.
> Sounds more like Mazzy Star to me ...

I've only heard "Sour Times" once, but I would be hard-pressed to think of a
band it sounds *less* like than Mazzy Star.  But don't listen to CMJ, anyway.

The whole thing just reminds me of the day I went to a local music store when
Swallow's _Blow_ came out.  I asked the guy if he'd heard it...  "Yeah,
sounds like Lush or something."  I just rolled my eyes and bought it anyway.

Anyway, after hearing all about Portishead for months, I'm finally going to
take the plunge and go buy _Dummy_ tonight.  I can't take the curiosity any
longer!

Later...
from
jEREMY oRR


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:32:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


A.J. Norman writes:
>By the way, I have found a really good substitute band for those of you
>who are sad that Led Zeppelin aren't around any more.  Their name is
>Medicine...

Hey! Keep the trolling on Usenet where it belongs!

echoes last year's (or was it '93's?) huge Medicine religious war. The John
vs. jOHN thing. Let's _NOT_ re-open the dang thing, okay?

As for Portishead ... I'd like to think that we can discuss why we
individually like or don't like a band without having to (a) descend to the
"it sucks" level or (b) take everyone else's criticisms personally and treat
them as attacks. In particular, my reply to Ivo (and A.J.N.s) described
reasons why Portishead purposely sound the way they do ... which is not to
deny Ivo his right to dislike them, of course.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:43:47 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


jOHN writes:
>It's kinda like me saying "Portishead are the next BREEDERS" when I have
>heard nothing but that one song MTV plays all day.

Ahh, they're on MTV? That explains why I've never, ever heard anything by
them on the radio. All the stations I listen to are far too cool to play
anything that would be on MTV. Which can be a real problem in some cases;
fortunately I had word of mouth.

shane writes:
>        Sorry to keep opening this wound, but... CMJ Music Magazine
>(Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school theses with beat
>box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead Can Dance, Cocteau
>Twins and This Mortal Coil."

That's just their way of saying Portishead are thislisty. I don't really
think they sound like any of those three. Spooky jazzy hip-hop torch songs
with lots of weird samples.

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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:00:57 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Portishead


>  Diatribe off, but my point:  CMJ should not be used as a source
>for any kind of intelligent observations about music.  They do print
>a nice "Upcoming Releases" page, though.  :-)

So what magazines should we be reading?  Any of them come with a free CD?

Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 00:01:46 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Portishead


>  Diatribe off, but my point:  CMJ should not be used as a source
>for any kind of intelligent observations about music.  They do print
>a nice "Upcoming Releases" page, though.  :-)

So what magazines should we be reading?  Any of them come with a CD?

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:04:45 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: unrest


does anyone out there have guitar tabs for any unrest songs?  Or know of a
sit where I can get them?


--thanks

mgarrett@depauw.edu

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:06:08 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: {nothing to do with} Love Spirals e-mail address


> Yikes, Portishead-related flaming galore!  I've only heard a song or two from
> them before and wasn't too impressed, especially with her voice.  However,
> I'm still interested in investing in a copy of Dummy so I can really give it
> a good listen.

  the song that plays on the radio and mtv sounds like a james bond
  theme. i can't see why they are so appealing, but i guess some
  people need that sort of mellow muzak in their lives...

  for your eyes only, *k*

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 20:16:34 -0500
From: Michael garrett (MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU)
Subject: air miami


they will be playing at the Empty Bottle in Chicago on February 24.  I think
Cath Carroll is opening.
        Are there any other music media (radio, journalism) people out there
who can give me an idea just how hard it is to get complimentary tix from 4ad?
I just started as mussic director at my college radio station, and want to
take advantage of all the perks I can...
        Is 4ad very good about setting that kind of stuff up, or would I be
better off going thru TeenBeat?

--thanks
mgarrett@depauw.edu


Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:46:35 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: University


My "connection" at 4AD got me the Going South single and the University
album yesterday and I thought I'd share some first impressions.

Going South:

5 tracks, three mixes of Going South, a remix of Chains and a remix of 11
Years.  Although the first two mixes of Going South are wonderful, I was
really disappointed with the remix of 11 Years.  That is probably my
favorite song on Funky Little Demons, but the remix is just seven minutes
of a looped keyboard sound or something.  The remix of Chains on the
other hand, is very nice.  It was remixed by Jah Wobble and has a nice
swirly feel to it.



THE ARTWORK!  THE ARTWORK!!!!
By FAR the best artwork of any album released by 4AD in the past couple
of years.  The first thing I thought of was Livonia.  It has that
foily-silver look to it with some gorgeous calligraphy and a photo of a
girl on the cover.  The album is MUCH better than Red Heaven, but still
kinda falls short of any of the earlier Tanya-assisted work done by the
Muses.  It seems more to me like Hips and Makers PLUGGED, you know?  The
lyrics are of course beautiful and the melodies are definitely catchy.
I've only listened to about half of this album, but the two tracks that
stand out so far are Bright Yellow Gun and Start, the first two tracks.
Shimmer is also a very good song.



So far, a good start for 4AD in 1995.

Ivo


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