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Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:33:26 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Medecine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:29:51 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: CAD703;is it rare?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:01:34 +0000
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: HNIA song on obscure comp
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:12 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: wolfgang press
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:59:49 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM)
Subject: Re: CT Interview
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:46:56 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush and the song Child Catcher
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 05:52:49 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 03:37:19 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: CT Interview, Too
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:42:47 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:41:16 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:57:15 GMT
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Medecine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:40:52 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Seefeel
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:30:01 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: CAD703;is it rare?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:42:44 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:14:34 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:09:07 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:12:36 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Medicine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:24:25 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Seefeel on Eastwest?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:31:13 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:43:01 EST
From: Mark INgram (MAINGR01@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: Shady World?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:54:24 CST
From: Errand Boy (CTSUI@ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:10:09 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Seefeel on Eastwest? (fwd)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:16:36 -0500
From: Brian Hostetler (brianh@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Licorice/Warren
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 18:12:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: All Virgos Are Sad
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 18:24:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seefeel on Eastwest?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:22:27 -0500
From: dj Lovegrove (lovegrov@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:30:37 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: Renaissance
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:46:16 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: CAD703;is it rare?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:32:40 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:42:33 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Shady World?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:29:14 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: (d)HNIA song on obscure comp
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:27:34 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Shady World?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:50:17 -0800
From: Murat Aydogdu (murtadam@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Medicine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:43:31 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:11:46 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medecine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:15:50 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medecine
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:18:44 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: CT Interview (Echo)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:28:12 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:43:14 -0800
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Medicine as Led Zep?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:14:51 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: (COPY) Undeliverable Mail
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:23:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUC40@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:59:22 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:33:37 -0500
From: Don Francisco (dcisco@MARLIN.SSNET.COM)

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:33:26 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Portishead

              95 11:38:25 am

ivo  wrote:
>
> I don't really see what everyone thinks is so great about Portishead.

Ditto with me and the Wolfgang Press, amongst many others.  I don't get
heated about it.  Why do people buy Michael Bolton records?

> I mean, yes, Sour Times and that other song, whose name escapes me are
> good songs, but the rest is trash, as far as I'm concerned.

I find this a bit odd.  I can't really see much difference in quality
between the songs on the album (apart from the dodgy lyrics to "Glory
Box", which sound like the sort of self-pitying whining that Janis
Joplin indulged in too often).  I can't understand why someone would
like "Sour Times" and (I assume) "Numb", but not the others.

> It's underproduced, recorded like shit, and the chick's vocals are so
> wavery, she sounds like she's going to burst into tears.

I have to disagree with this one.  The production sound is very
deliberate - some of the sounds on the album were cut on acetates and
then played back to get that authentic crackly vinyl sound.  I was
listening to "Strangers" as I came across the park this morning, and
there's a constant repeated crackle in the background - that sort of
thing doesn't happen by accident.  Geoff Barrows has a long history as
a recording engineer - he did some work on Neneh Cherry's last album,
amongst others.  If you don't like Beth's voice, that's your taste.
If radio stations are playing their singles, what's so bad about that?
Just because something's popular doesn't *have* to mean it's rubbish.

By the way, I have found a really good substitute band for those of you
who are sad that Led Zeppelin aren't around any more.  Their name is
Medicine...

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 11/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Portishead - Dummy
One mood or modulation like the last.

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:29:51 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Medecine


I don't quite see the link between Medecine and Led Zep.
I feel they edge more to the CT sound especially as their
last single (Time Baby 3 from The Crow soundtrack) was produced
by them and had Liz on backing vocals. I had a mad two weeks over
the summer when I was really into them and bought everything I could
find by them. I haven't had a listen for a while so maybe I missed
the LZ similarity.

Wasn't there a heavy metal band called Medecine Head?

I haven't bought any music this year. What do you suggest?

'H'


PS On my walkman this morning. SNAPPER.


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:01:34 +0000
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: CAD703;is it rare?


I've accidently deleted the message, but Joanna (t.oven) asked if
CAD703 is rare.  The regular issue CD is not rare at all and should
still be easily obtainable.  There is however a limited edition
record with a gatefold sleeve that is quite rare.  Then there is
CADX703, the most desirable thing any 4AD fan could ever wish to
have.  There are only 100 of these and the MINIMUM going price is
about 500 British pounds IF you can find a seller (most people in
possesion of CADX703 wouldn't even think of selling their's unless
offered VAST amounts of cash).  It consists of a pine box in which
you will find the CD, limited ed. gatefold LP, cassette, as well as
the Lonely is an Eyesore video.  The box also has two autographed and
numbered items of artwork.  The one is on handmade paper and the
other on what appears to be a handmade, thin fiberglass sheet.

    N

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:50:12 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: HNIA song on obscure comp


On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Ryan L wrote:

> heard they couldn;t use the HNIA on a non-4ad release, thus the slightly
> altered name (even though there us still the 'appears courtesy of 4AD' next
> to their track on the credits).  The compilation, as a whole, is supposed to
> be very noisy.  If anyone's interested in it, email me, or darkwave2@aol.com,
> which is Lasersound and Vision, who I would imagine could hook you up with
> the CD.

  actually, jeff reid is on the Net {co-Isomorpher} so you may wish to
  to e-mail him about obtaining the compilation: jgreid@u.washington.edu

  i haven't listened to my copy {which is ltd. to 1000, i do believe}
  because all the stereos in the house are unplugged and so on and so
  forth...flood precautions, dontcha know it. anyhoo, it is a *noise*
  compilation..experimental and different. by the looks of who is
  involved {warren out of the equasion} it seems like a good comp.
  the cd is $13...in a reply to me, jeff wrote that warren went under
  the name DHNIA because he didn't want to alienate his mainstream
  fans. understandable, since some poor unsuspecting hnia fan could
  see this and buy it and be terribly disappointed with the contents.
  hnia are one thing, noise 'music' is quite different. if you don't
  like groups along the lines of hanatarash or hijokaidan than don't
  invest in this particular cd..or any of warren defever's more
  experimental groups {princess dragon-mom, beat bandit, etc..}

  in other news, i happily located the release from SF band Wade...
  now all i have to do is buy it. :)

  *k* ...the rain came down and the floods came up...

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:59:49 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM)
Subject: wolfgang press


  Hello, maybe someone can help me find an older 4ad 12". It is the Scarecrow
EP by Wolfgang Press and i'm looking for the original pressing. Thanks, Brian
Lyons, Seattle.

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:46:56 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: CT Interview


As a project I have been planning on typing up the interview picture disc,
but of course, has it already been done?


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 05:52:49 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Lush and the song Child Catcher

              Multiple_recipients_of_list_4AD-L_ <4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU>

isntthat th eone featured on a SELECT magazine tape. given away awhile
ago?where did I put that
ian
Listening to: gavin bryars sinking of the titanic very thislisty in a Moral
Coil way


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 03:37:19 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Portishead


>>
Ivo said:

wow...some people are touchy.  no argument FOR the band, although I
provided an argument against.... maybe the people who like the music are
just as dull as the band themselves. :)  Perhaps that's why KROQ and LIVE
105 like it so much....ooh, neat... Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam,
Nirvana, Green Day, and.....(drum roll please).... PORTISHEAD!!!!

uh-huh

not a flame, really.  *sweet smile*
>>

I know you're not really flaming but IMHO I do find it odd that people on
these lists are so critical of other people's choices for good music.  "It
sucks" seems to be a common response to many people's discussing a record
that has meaning for them.  I think of  "it sucks" as a Beavis and Butthead
knee-jerk reaction, not adult at all.  Sometimes I feel like I'm back in
High School.  Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, even Beavis
and Butthead. |;-)

Jan


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:42:47 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: CT Interview, Too


Okay, I'll begin work on it this week, probably not finishing it until the
weekend, plus or minus a few days.  See y'all then.

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:41:16 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics


In <9501110231.AA07864@harper.cc.il.us>, J. B. Tracey wrote:

> 1.  Linguistics:  I think most of you must know that Liz is Scottish (from
> Glasgow, I believe, though I might be wrong), and as such speaks in an
> accent which is difficult to understand even to those non-Scots
> inhabitants in the British isles.  The vowel sounds are particularly
> idiosyncratic, and a source of misunderstanding.

Everybody should listen to the way she sings the words "Road, River and Rail"
for a good example of how different it sounds with her accent...
think "Roood, Reev'r and Real"...
-shill

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:57:15 GMT
From: Robb Masters (rmasters@LSSEC.BT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics


> > 1.  Linguistics:  I think most of you must know that Liz is Scottish (from
> > Glasgow, I believe, though I might be wrong), and as such speaks in an
> > accent which is difficult to understand even to those non-Scots
> > inhabitants in the British isles.  The vowel sounds are particularly
> > idiosyncratic, and a source of misunderstanding.
>
> Everybody should listen to the way she sings the words "Road, River and Rail"
> for a good example of how different it sounds with her accent...
> think "Roood, Reev'r and Real"...
> -shill

Which explains why the rest of the band initially thought it was about fishing
i.e. "Rod, River and Reel"!

________________________________________________________________________________
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BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC  |  My lucky number has been disconnected
(Gower St.)          |                                    "Disenchanted" - Purr
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:40:52 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Medecine


On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, HM Cambridge wrote:

> I don't quite see the link between Medecine and Led Zep.
> I feel they edge more to the CT sound especially as their
> last single (Time Baby 3 from The Crow soundtrack) was produced
> by them and had Liz on backing vocals. I had a mad two weeks over

Well, yes, but the same could be said about Felt's "Primitive Painters"
which is a beautiful song, I think, only _because_ Robin produced it and
Liz sang back-up vox.  The other two songs on the ep are throwaway.

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:30:01 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Seefeel


on Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Michael Cheselka wrote:

> Does this mean seefeel will be released domestically?

They already are, at least in the case of "Polyfusia" and "QuiQue."
Both those releases are on Astralwerks, a label owned by Caroline. So they
get the benefit of Caroline's large distribution system.

We can get the Seefeel domestics in with little or no problem at my
store.

-julian-

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:42:44 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: CAD703;is it rare?


We have this at our radio station, which is very odd, since we have very
little 4AD things pre-'88.  I thought maybe since they started releasing
stuff in the US around '87/'88 that we got this (CADX 703, the gatefold
sleeve, that is) as a kind of promotional thing.  If it didn't have KSCR
written all over it, it would probably be mine....heh heh...


Ivo


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:14:34 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


Ivo writes:
>and the chick's vocals are so wavery,
>she sounds like she's going to burst into tears.  And that's not good
>tears, that's bad tears like "Oh, Oh, I don't really know if I'm good
>enough to sing on your album" type Mare Winningham kind of tears....

Ivo, I have two words for you: Billie Holliday. You might want to -- no, you
_need_ to -- listen to some of her work. Part of what I find so interesting
about Portishead is how old-style-jazzy Beth Gibbons' singing is.

As for "underproduced" and "recorded like shit" ... ?? It's sparser than your
average Alan Moulder remix, I'll grant you that, but that's the idea. I've
been glad to see groups like Portishead, Talk Talk, Bark Psychosis and RHP
rediscovering the virtues of sparseness and silence.

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:09:07 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Portishead, and stupid arguments


Ivo wrote:

> wow...some people are touchy.  no argument FOR the band, although I
> provided an argument against.... maybe the people who like the music are
> just as dull as the band themselves. :)

Well, I totally disagree with your assessment of Portishead, but I certainly
see your point about the sensitivity issue.

It never ceases to amaze (and disgust) me how often discussions on the list
are conducted at a pre-school level. This Portishead string has been nothing
but a bunch of cheap insults hurled back and forth.

We shouldn't be providing arguments "for or against" the music discussed on
the list; instead, we should be doing what this list was created for--
having constructive discussions about the music. After all, your comments
aren't part of some scientific discourse that will prove or disprove the
existence or value of a group; the remarks are merely (and should be seen as)
expressions of personal opinions.

> Perhaps that's why KROQ and LIVE 105 like it so much....ooh,neat...
> Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Green Day, and....(drum roll
> please).... PORTISHEAD!!!!

I understand the joke, but really, this is pretty illustrative of the kind
of "alterna-snobbery" this list can do without. Hell, I despise these
mass-market pre-packaged "alternative" things as much as anyone; but I can
leave it at that. No matter how much I spit bitter bile about it, there are
always going to be far more cheese-alternative fans than those who listen
to music with any credibility to it.

It's kind of sad to see how easily people will abandon things the moment it
is infered that those things are "mainstream." There is just as much shit
being produced on the independent level.

And with regards to Portishead, I don't give a shit how popular they are
becoming; I like the music for my own reasons, even if I don't like some
of their fans.


-julian-

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:12:36 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments


Well, if you'd like to be technical....the reason for this list is to
discuss _4AD_ bands....not Portishead at all :)

Ivo

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:24:25 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Medicine


Just wanted to defend Medicine briefly. The new Zep? Please.
And I still hold that "Shot Forth Self Living" is just as good as "Loveless".
And it stands up to more repeat listens. Of course, MBV are no longer the
be-all-end-all of the type of music they helped invent. Lovesliescrushing,
Seefeel, and many other newcomers have beaten them at their own game. All the
more reason for them to hurry with that 3rd album. Maybe they'll blaze some
more ground for bands to explore.
Back to Brad Laner's group. I don't get the comparison at all. No excessive
guitar solos. And even the intolerably long "Lime 6" has it's moments of
transcendence. I think that ep helped to separate them from the poppier
moments of their career. "Zelzah" is nowhere near the accessible pop of
"Never Click" or "5ive". It will be interesting to see where they end up
taking their aggressive electro-dreamshock techniques on the next releases.
Does anyone know why they were dropped by Creation? They seem to fit in with
the roster better than, say, Primal Scream or Oasis. Go figure.

just my $2.00
         -------------
            100

Gil

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:31:13 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Seefeel on Eastwest?


I'm not sure where I heard this, but I did. Did anyone else hear
something of this sort? The first thing I wonder is if they left Warp or
Astralwerks or both or were kicked off or what?

Anyone out there have Spanners yet? :)

e

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:43:01 EST
From: Mark INgram (MAINGR01@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead

              11 Jan 1995 09:14:34 -0800 from 

Gee, I actually liked Portishead and thought it was interesting. I ignore
so much music, but I actually felt compelled to listen to this.
I have a question that the cognoscenti on this list may be able to answer.
I thought the recording was deliberately done in such a fashion as to make
certain cuts sound like old records, noisy that is. Am I reading too much
into this? Heck, maybe it IS badly recorded.
What would I know.
Mark Ingram
maingr01@ukcc.uky.edu

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:54:24 CST
From: Errand Boy (CTSUI@ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Shady World?


I received Parasol's latest mailing yesterday, and there was a
listing for Shady World, which is, according to the description, a
project with members of Mercury Rev, Seam, th' faith healers, Boo
Radleys, and MBV....has anyone heard this?  Good/Bad?

I apologize if this release has been discussed already...I was off of
the list for a little while....
       Another fine offering from Curt "Why, I oughta...." Tsui
                          CTSUI@acs.unt.edu


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:10:09 -0500
From: Michel Battaglia (mikebee@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead


'underproduced' and 'recorded lke shit' elude me...it's *supposed*to
sound that way..i thinkn that's one of the best part of porishead - the
dirty beats, the moody samples with vinyl crackles in the
backround...it's supreme and sounds like nothing else. The other groups
in the Bristol dub-hop scene , tricky, massive attack...the darkness, the
raw quality of their music is intended...

Speaking of Portishead, i'm looking (hard) for 'numb' and 'sour times'
singles...either vinyl or CD...if anyone canhelp i'd be greatly
appreciative..
mike

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:16:36 -0500
From: Brian Hostetler (brianh@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Seefeel on Eastwest? (fwd)


vilexile said:

 > I'm not sure where I heard this, but I did. Did anyone else hear
 > something of this sort? The first thing I wonder is if they left Warp or
 > Astralwerks or both or were kicked off or what?

Signed to Warp, handled in the US by East/West.



--

Brian
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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 18:12:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: Licorice/Warren


His Name Is Alive fans:


    I just talked to Warren and he said that Licorice(formerly known as
Slack) will be playing their first gig with Luna at a place in Hoboken, New
Jersey called Maxwell's.  It is going to take place this Friday the 13th.
Please if anyone is close please go!! I want to hear all about it. They still
haven't decided wether or not Warren will play in the band.  He will be there
either way.
    Also for the diehard HNIA fan Warren told me that he picked up
a band called "The Equals" last night and he loves them.  Eddie Grant of
"Electric Avenue" fame is in the band. He said that he is also currently
listening to Yoko Ono!!!!!!??

                                      That will be all.
                                      Jacob Paul Leonard
                                      jleonard@st.ceu.edu

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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 18:24:00 M
From: Jacob Paul Leonard (JLeonard@ST.CEU.EDU)
Subject: All Virgos Are Sad


  Ok, so it was only 30 seconds!!

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:22:27 -0500
From: dj Lovegrove (lovegrov@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Seefeel on Eastwest?

              ambient@hyperreal.com

We interviewed seefeel in august... they said they had signed a multi
album deal with eastwest.
lg


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:30:37 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments


On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, ivo wrote:

> Well, if you'd like to be technical....the reason for this list is to
> discuss _4AD_ bands....not Portishead at all :)
>
> Ivo
>
Then why did you make such a big deal about putting them down, and
arguing their lack of specialness and talent?.....I think that Jens Alfke
is exactly right in saying that Billie Holliday is a prerequisite to fine
music and the similarities, vocally, between Billie and Beth are incredible.
Face it.....you were wrong for once.


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:46:16 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Renaissance


straying away from 4AD for the moment but keeping to the
topic of great female singers, does anyone else on the list
like Renaissance? They were a 70's art-rock band who started
making some fine music about 5 albums into their career
when they got away from the epic classic rock genre and started
writing lovely popsongs. Annie Haslam is the vocalist and
she's quite wonderful. I just pulled their records from my
collection and found out again why I started listening to them
years ago. They do sound dated these days, but I still love them.
Recommended albums: "A Song For All Seasons", "Azure d'Or",
"Camera Camera". Haslam had a solo album around 1989 which
is also pretty good (avoid her earlier one!). Anybody know what
she's doing now?

brant
|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 |  you can't chop down symmetry
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     |
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:32:40 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nbakizad@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: CAD703;is it rare?


On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, ivo wrote:

> We have this at our radio station, which is very odd, since we have very
> little 4AD things pre-'88.  I thought maybe since they started releasing
> stuff in the US around '87/'88 that we got this (CADX 703, the gatefold
> sleeve, that is) as a kind of promotional thing.  If it didn't have KSCR
> written all over it, it would probably be mine....heh heh...
>
>
> Ivo
>

You lucky bastard!

Danny

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:42:33 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead, and stupid arguments


> Face it.....you were wrong for once.
>
Oh, I'm wrong a LOT, but I don't see how someone's opinion can be wrong.
I guess you could say, face it... I disagree with you, but to say that I
am wrong for voicing my opinion, YOU are wrong. :)

Anyway, I just made that comment about Portishead because everyone was
going off about how wonderful they thought the band was, and I thought
that it was my right to voice my opinion about how I think they suck.

but, apparently, according to you, I can't voice my opinion (unlike
everyone else), so I suppose I was wrong..... sorry .... sheesh.


Oh, and by the way, if you think I've never listened Billie Holliday
before.... you are REALLY wrong.

Ivo


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:29:14 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shady World?


In message Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:54:24 CST,
  Errand Boy   writes:

> I received Parasol's latest mailing yesterday, and there was a
> listing for Shady World, which is, according to the description, a
> project with members of Mercury Rev, Seam, th' faith healers, Boo
> Radleys, and MBV....has anyone heard this?  Good/Bad?
>

    I recently got this disc from Parasol.  It's not what I expected, and
I'm rather disappointed with it.  First of all, No-one from MBV is anywhere
near this disc... Jimi Shields is *NOT* Kevin Shields, Parasol-people!
Adam Franklin (SWERVEDRIVER) plays on two songs, but you wouldn't even know
it if he wasn't listed in the credits for the songs.  THere is a strong Boo
Radleys sound in the guitar area, but only for a few songs.
   Unless yr a really big MERCURY REV freak (like I am) then yr probably
better off staying clear of this one...  Sure, I like it enough to play it
once in awhile, but its now evident who had all the talent in Mercury Rev.

              -jOHN back from xmas hell

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:27:34 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: (d)HNIA song on obscure comp


I mentioned this when the comp. had just come out. But for the benefit of new
listies, and since someone asked:
The disc is a really interesting look at experimental music.
Or more like experimental sound.
Some of the tracks share a harsh-yet-beautiful feel with Cranes, but nothing
on that CD would ever be considered song-oriented music.
Lots of loops, samples, found sounds, and grating washes of feedback and
distortion.
Worth checking out. (d)HNIA was, I feel, one of the bigger disappointments.
Karin's credited with vocals, but the song is just a rush of monotone noise.
Huh? And PD-M is similarly unexceptional. But there are many worthwhile
tracks. There's one track which is worth having just for it's "you wouldn't
believe this stuff" appeal. Great to throw on for those jaded friends who
have heard everything.
If it's still available, I'd say it's worth picking up. I wish Isomorphic the
best of luck in their continuing quest for uncompromising and untraditional
music.

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:50:17 -0800
From: Murat Aydogdu (murtadam@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Shady World?


You wrote:

>
>I received Parasol's latest mailing yesterday, and there was a
>listing for Shady World, which is, according to the description, a
>project with members of Mercury Rev, Seam, th' faith healers, Boo
>Radleys, and MBV....has anyone heard this?  Good/Bad?
>
>I apologize if this release has been discussed already...I was off of
>the list for a little while....
>       Another fine offering from Curt "Why, I oughta...." Tsui
>                          CTSUI@acs.unt.edu
>
>

Hi;
The album's name is "World". Shady is the nickname of the Mercury Rev
singer who got kicked out of the band before the release of "Everlasting
Arm" EP. I listened to "Narcotic Candy" from the album. It is pretty
much like Mercury Rev.

Hope this helps.

murt.


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:43:31 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine


In message Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:24:25 -0500,
  Gil Gershman   writes:

> Just wanted to defend Medicine briefly. The new Zep? Please.
> And I still hold that "Shot Forth Self Living" is just as good as
> "Loveless".

I really don't want to start another MEDICINE war like the one we had in
1994... but the whole ledzep comparison is nothing more than a lazy
comparison made by people who obviously don't properly appreciate the band.
It's kinda like me saying "Portishead are the next BREEDERS" when I have
heard nothing but that one song MTV plays all day.

> And even the intolerably long "Lime 6" has it's
> moments of transcendence.

That song live is simply amazing.  It's a moment that I will never forget.
The recorded version on the 5ive ep does it no justice... and the live
version on the SOUNDS O'MEDICINE ep can't even compare.

> Does anyone know why they were dropped by Creation?
> They seem to fit in with the roster better than, say, Primal Scream or
> Oasis. Go figure.

Beth Thompson told me the band wasn't selling enough records, even after a
brief tour in Europe.  She also said SWERVEDRIVER wanted off Creation, but
that "Creation is married to them".

Also, Recently got news from Brad himself that the new MEDICINE album will
be released sometime soon... I forget exactly when.

          -jOHN meow meow kitty meow
>

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:11:46 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead

              10 Jan 1995 13:59:30 PST." <9501102200.AA02798@MIT.EDU>


Got written up in U.S. New and World report as a good buy.  That's pretty good
publicity.

Lawren
lcwu@mit.edu

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:15:50 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medecine

              11 Jan 1995 10:29:51 GMT." <9501111030.AA15293@MIT.EDU>


To all you 4ad lister's out there who weren't around a year ago when this thread
first emerged... it's a joke.  The last time this thread started up, it
degenerated into lots of unproductive flaming.  Please don't let it degenerate
into this again.

Thanks.

Lawren
lcwu@Mit.edu

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:18:44 -0400
From: aLFRED dOUGLAS (R684863S@VAX.EDINBORO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medecine


MEDICINE SUCK!!! (please don't flame me.)

ALfRED DoUGLAS


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 19:28:12 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: CT Interview (Echo)


For those that replied to me asking for a copy of the interview, I
accidentally trashed your posts.  So please write me back, and I'll
probably have it out by Friday at the latest.
        To anyone else -- I'm not going to post the interview, for it
probably will be many 'o pages.  Drop me a line if you want it.

                        Busy busy, Until then, Jon

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:43:14 -0800
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Re: Portishead


        Sorry to keep opening this wound, but... CMJ Music Magazine
(Dec 1994) files 'DUMMY' under "moody film school theses with beat
box backing," and recommends it if you like: "Dead Can Dance, Cocteau
Twins and This Mortal Coil."

        I have to admit that all I've heard is "Sour Times (Nobody
Loves Me)," but I see no comparrison. What's the deal?

drowning in Northern California,
shane@trex.org


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:14:51 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Medicine as Led Zep?


First, nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK (A.J. Norman) wrote:

> By the way, I have found a really good substitute band for those of you who
> are sad that Led Zeppelin aren't around any more.  Their name is
> Medicine...

WHAT?!?  Of all the stupid things I've read (and even said) on the Internet,
that's number one with a bullet.  Gritting my teeth through
somewhat-valid-on-the-surface My Bloody Valentine comparisons is one thing,
but fer cryin' out loud.  And then, hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk (HM Cambridge)

> I don't quite see the link between Medecine and Led Zep. I feel they edge
> more to the CT sound especially as their last single (Time Baby 3 from The
> Crow soundtrack) was produced by them and had Liz on backing vocals. I
> had a mad two weeks over the summer when I was really into them and
> bought everything I could find by them. I haven't had a listen for a while
so
> maybe I missed the LZ similarity.

AAAARGH!!!  Ever since their appearance on "The Crow" soundtrack, they've
been constantly tagged as Cocteau Twin clones, or worse yet, people hear that
one track and assume all their material is like that.  For anyone who has
heard only that one song ("Time Baby III"): if you liked it, go buy the last
Cocteau Twins album, because that's what Robin Guthrie was apparently getting
at when he remixed (read: completely watered down and removed all traces of
life from) that song for them; if you didn't like it, give them another
chance - go buy one of their albums.

Incidentally, I saw Medicine live last February, and they were absolutely
brilliant!  Better than Swervedriver (whom they opened for), better than
Stereolab, better than the "new & improved" Cocteau Twins.

I swear - it's all true!  :)  And now, for the obligatory disclaimer: IMHO.

from
jEREMY oRR


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 18:23:00 PST
From: endless mike (ESTUC40@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: (COPY) Undeliverable Mail


i don't get why people try so hard to understand exactly what liz sings when
she sings.  i mean, people seem to accept the fact that lisa gerrard can make
beautiful, emotive sounds and noises with her voice without using actual words,
so why can't liz frasier?       also, anyone who has seen the twins live will
know that the woman is not speaking any language on earth.         even the
ones with real lyrics, like "evangeline" or "bluebeard", and completely
unrecognizable, vocally.

someone a while back was asking about more ambient stuff on 4ad.  what about
insides / earwig?  still on 4ad?  still even around?

medicine is one of the coolest bands around.  i agree that lime 6 live is
unbelievable.  there is, after all, the performance aspect of it all...

on a completely unrelated note, has anyone heard the kendra smith album?


                                            - endless mike


Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:59:22 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Renaissance


I liked the quite  abit, but I haven't seen any of their stuff on CD.

Wasn't there a song with the word grass in it?

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:33:37 -0500
From: Don Francisco (dcisco@MARLIN.SSNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Renaissance


It's been a few years but I remember the group as a favorite of the
time.  If I recall correctly a rather pure sound, pleasant voice with
minimal instrumental accompaniment, at least on the few songs the one Philly
station that would play them did play.  At that time there was probably
more than a song with grass in it  :-)

On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:

> I liked the quite  abit, but I haven't seen any of their stuff on CD.
>
> Wasn't there a song with the word grass in it?
>


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