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Subject: CHEERS!!
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Laika->American Records?
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:02:35 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Stuff for sale from Season Dist...
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:56:38 +1100
From: Michael Chin (mktchin@WERPLE.MIRA.NET.AU)
Subject: Steinbecks press release
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:06:38 +1100
From: Michael Chin (mktchin@WERPLE.MIRA.NET.AU)
Subject: Luxuria & the Childcatcher
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:25:21 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Belly _King_
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:25:34 -0800
From: Jason Schmit (jschmit@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Belly _King_
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:40:18 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Please help me.
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:25:11 GMT
From: Shiely Lesher (srlesher@PINE.SHU.AC.UK)
Subject: creation/slowdive net presence
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:18:45 +0100
From: Conrad Sauerwald (rcbacs@URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: Re: FROM THE FLAGSTONES lyrics
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:06:32 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: American Music Club "San Francisco"
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:16:37 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: to any U of California students
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:29:05 MST7MDT
From: "MATTHEW J. POLDER" (U-MJP@PHYSICS1.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Luxuria/Devoto
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:48:25 +0000
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: "Snow" Shoveling
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:50:43 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Snow" Shoveling
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:10:59 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:38:27 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:38:25 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: mailing to the twins....
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:08:49 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:07:00 -0500
From: Nikk Allen (Nikkw@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Laika / Snow
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:28:33 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Reply to Laika / Snow
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:41:35 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: Luxuria/Howard Deveto
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:45:47 -0500
From: Jon Gonzales (DrPrudence@AOL.COM)
Subject: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:16:37 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:59:30 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:00:57 -0500
From: "(Baron Lane)" (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:04:54 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:16:46 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:29:41 -0600
From: "J. B. Tracey" (jtracey@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU)
Subject: CT Interview
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:30:41 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: lonely is an eyestrain
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:58:33 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: A.J. Norman (RE: FROM THE FLAGSTONES lyrics)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:54:58 -0600
From: "J. B. Tracey" (jtracey@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU)
Subject: HNIA song on obscure comp
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:06:11 -0500
From: Ryan L (RyanSpiral@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Laika->American Records?
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:22:11 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: CHEERS!!


hi all

just a small note to say i'm not on the 4AD list as from....NOW!
kinda got bored and decided to take a detour to the ambient
countryside.
to all those who are in touch with me...my e-mail adress is still
valid so keep writing me there......

cheers folks, it's been a kinda fun ride.

wattso__________________________________________________
!                                                !
! All those moments will be lost                 !
!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
!                            Time...to die!      !
!                                                !
!                                  ROY BATTY     !
!________________________________________________!


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:02:35 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Laika->American Records?

              9, 95 03:23:39 pm

> But anyway, didn't Too Pure have a US distribution deal with Matador?

Moonshake had a deal with Matador, not Too Pure, and they parted ways after
'Big Good Angel". It's a shame they didn't pick up Laika...

> They seem like the type of band that could become quite popular given the
> right amount of exposure.  A good live show would help, too - have any of
> you 4AD-Lers had a chance to see them?  I'm curious to find out if they can
> pull their sound off live.

There does seem to be a bit of interest lately in dubby jazzy stuff, and even
though Laika are a bit less overtly hip-hop than say, Luscious Jackson, they
could be a "next big thing" - although for once hype would be merited. A
friend of mine saw them in London and it was basically all samples, so there's
not much live playing, but they made a bit of a show out of it with Guy and
Margaret running around and frantically hitting buttons.

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 19:56:38 +1100
From: Michael Chin (mktchin@WERPLE.MIRA.NET.AU)
Subject: Stuff for sale from Season Dist...


Hello popkids,

This is a list of music for sale by my friend David Harris of Season
Distribution. It is mostly indiepop vinyl. Some 4AD stuff and rarities.
Have a browse.

WRITE TO -:

DAVE HARRIS of Season Distribution.
20 RALTON AVE
GLEN WAVERLEY,3150
VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
OR FAX ON +61 3 803 9472

or email to mktchin@werple.mira.net.au

ARTIST                  TITLE                           FORMAT  PRICE

                                                                (Aust. dollars)
14 ICED BEARS           LIKE A DOLPHIN                  12"     16
A HOUSE                 ON OUR BIG FAT MERRY GO ROUND   LP      10
A HOUSE                 SNOWBALL DOWN/KICK ME AGAIN...  12"     14
A HOUSE                 SNOWBALL DOWN/YOU               7"      10
AMELIA/HIT PARADE       XMAS TEARS/IF YOU SEE HER       7"      10
AVO 8                   BIG CAR CHERRY                  12"     8
BACHELOR PAD            SMOOTHIE                        7"      5
BATS                    4 SONGS                         12"     8
BATS                    BY NIGHT                        12"     10
BEAT HOTEL              HEY HEY AUDACIOUS               12"     6
BIFF BANG POW           LOVE'S GOING OUT OF FASHION     7"      12
BIFF BANG POW           SOMEONE STOLE MY WHEELS         7"      10
BODINES                 GOD BLESS                       7"      14
BODINES                 HEARD IT ALL/CLEAR              7"      14
BRIGHTER                AROUND THE WORLD IN EIGHTY DAYS 7"       4
BRILLIANT CORNERS       SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME      LP      12
BRILLIANT CORNERS       THE POPE THE MONKEY & THE QUEEN 12"     8
CATAPULT                SINK ME (with flexi)            12"     8
CHARLATANS              SOME FRIENDLY   CD/T-SHIRT PACK CD      30
CHESTERFIELDS           A GUITAR IN YOUR BATH           7"      15
CHILLS                  ROLLING MOON                    7"      15
CLEAN                   BOODLE BOODLE BOODLE            12"     12
CLEAN                   GETTING OLDER                   7"      22
CLOSE LOBSTERS          HEADACHE RHETORIC               LP      12
CLOSE LOBSTERS          JUST TOO BLOODY STUPID          7"      15
CLOSE LOBSTERS          NEVER SEEN BEFORE               12"     8
CLOSE LOBSTERS          NEVER SEEN BEFORE               7"      12
CLOSE LOBSTERS          WHAT IS THERE TO SMILE ABOUT?   12"     8
CONCRETE BLONDE         BLOODLETTING                    LP(red) 15
CONFETTI                SEA ANEMON EP                   7"      5
CORN DOLLIES            JOYRIDER(PROMO)                 12"     5
DESIRABLES              YOU KNOW YOUR OWN LIMITS        7"      4
DIED PRETTY             STOP MYSELF/GODBLESS            CD      6
DIED PRETTY             TIME/MARCH PAST LTD 7"          7"      10
DINOSAUR JNR            WHATEVER'S COOL WITH ME         CD      8
EAST VILLAGE            VIBRATO                         7"      8
EASY                    HOROSCOPE                       CD      6
EVEN AS WE SPEAK        GOES SO SLOW (DELETED)          7"      5
EVEN AS WE SPEAK        ONE STEP FORWARD                7"      5
EVEN AS WE SPEAK        OUTGROWN THIS TOWN (DELETED)    12"     14
FAT TULIPS              WHERE'S CLARE GROGAN NOW?        7"      12
FEAR OF FALLING         FOR THE TOURIST                 7"      4
FEAR OF FALLING         HAND IN HAND                    7"      4
FEAR OF FALLING         YOUR PLACE                      7"      4
FIVE YEAR PLAN          SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE              7"      4
FUNF FREUNDE            IN DREIBIG TAGEN UM DIE WELT    7"      6
G.W.McLENNAN            EASY COME EASY GO               CD      8
GIRL OF THE WORLD       LE CIRQUE E                     7"      5
GIRL OF THE WORLD       TRAVEL EP                       7"      5
GIRLS AT OUR BEST       GETTING NOWHERE FAST            7"      12
JAD FAIR/PASTELS        NO.2                            12"     6
JAD FAIR/PASTELS        THIS COULD BE THE NIGHT         12"     6
JESSE GARON...          ADAM FAITH EXPERIENCE (PROMO)   12"     6
JESSE GARON...          GRAND HOTEL                     12"     10
JESSE GARON...          UNION CITY BLUE                 7"      10
JUNE BRIDES             NO PLACE CALLED HOME            12"     15
JUNE BRIDES             THERE ARE EIGHT MILLION STORIES LP      14
KIRSTY MACCOLL          A NEW ENGLAND                   7"      3
KITCHENS OF DIST...     3rD TIME WE OPENED...           12"     6
KITCHENS OF DIST...     ELEPHANTINE                     12"     6
KITCHENS OF DIST...     LOVE IS HELL                    LP      8
LILAC TIME              AMERICAN EYES                   12"     6
LILAC TIME              IT'LL END IN TEARS              12"     6
LILAC TIME              THE DAYS OF THE WEEK            12"     6
LILAC TIME              THE LILAC TIME                  LP      10
LOFT                    UP THE HILL AND DOWN THE SLOPE  7"      22
LOOK BLUE GO PURPLE     THIS IS THIS                    12"     10
MACGUFFINS              RICH TOGETHER                   7"      6
MEAT WHIPLASH           DON'T SLIP UP                   7"      15
MEGA CITY FOUR          WORDS THAT SAY                  12"     6
MIDWAY STILL            I WON'T TRY                     12"     6
MIRRORS OVER KIEV       WILD MAN                        12"     5
MORRISSEY               EDUCATION IN REVERSE            LP      35
MOUSEFOLK               HEADS FULL OF HOPE (SIGNED!!!)  LP      16
NIGHT BLOOMS            NIGHT BLOOMS                    LP      8
NIRVANA                 HORMOANING                      CD      35
ODOLITES                FACE DOWN IN THE VIOLETS        LP      15
ONE THOUSAND VIOLINS    LOVE IN                         7"      6
PALESAINTS              IN RIBBONS (WITH FREE 7")       LP      22
PALESAINTS              FREE 7"                         7"      10
PHIL WILSON             BETTER DAYS                     7"      15
POPGUNS                 XXX EP                          12"     8
POWER OF DREAMS         NEVER BEEN TO TEXAS             7"      4
PRIMITIVES              SPELLS                          7"      3
RAINYARD                HELLBENT SUICIDAL OVER YOU,BABY 7"      16
RAW HERBS               SHE'S A NURSE                   7"      12
RIPE                    FILTERFEED                      LP      10
RIPE                    WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET THERE   7"      40
SANDKINGS               RAIN                            7"      10
SHOP ASSISTANTS         HERE IT COMES                   7"      6
SHOP ASSISTANTS         SHOPPING PARADE                 7"      15
SNAPPER                 SNAPPER                         12"     6
SOMELOVES               IT'S MY TIME                    7"      3
SOMELOVES               KNOW YOU NOW                    7"      3
SOUP DRAGONS            THE SUN IN THE SKY EP           7"      20
SOUP DRAGONS            WHOLE WIDE WORLD                7"      10
SPIRITUALIZED           SMILE/SWAY-CLEAR VINYL          7"      12
SPRINGFIELDS            REACH FOR THE STARS             7"      8
SPRINGFIELDS            WONDER                          7"      4
STRAIGHTJACKET FITS     DOWN IN SPLENDOUR - DBL7" PACK  7"      12
SUGARGLIDERS            ANOTHER FAUX PAS...             7"      5
TEARDROP OPERATION      SHE KNOWS                       7"      5
TEENAGE FANCLUB         BANDWAGONESQUE                  LP      12
TEENAGE FANCLUB         EVERYBODY'S FOOL                7"      20
TRAMWAY                 MARITIME CITY                   7"      4
TV PERSONALITIES        STRANGELY BEAUTIFUL EP          12"     8
VELVET CRUSH            IN THE PRESENCE OF GREATNESS    LP      12
VERONICA LAKE/CRAYON SPLIT 7"                           7"      5
VICARAGE GARDEN         OH DAWN                         7"      5
WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED - DBL7" PACK      7"      12
WEDDING PRESENT         BIZARRO                         LP      12
WEDDING PRESENT         MY FAVOURITE DRESS              12"     12
WEDDING PRESENT         RADIO 1 SESSIONS                12"     6
WHIPPER SNAPPERS        YOU NEVER LOOK                  7"      5
WHITE TOWN              CATHERINE                       7"      5
WHITE TOWN              HAIR LIKE ALAIN DELON           7"      5
WHITE TOWN              WHITE TOWN                      7"      5
WISHING STONES          BEAT GIRL                       7"      12
WOLFHOUNDS              CRUELTY                         7"      10

INTERNATIONAL POP EP  R.S.BEAUTY/S.GLIDERS/Y.SKY/L.BANG 7"      8
WAY OUT COMP.  FRENTE/ JPSE/JULIANA HATFIELD/PALESAINTS 7"      8
HAPPY HOLIDAYS WHITE TOWN/GOTW/3 HOUR TOUR/COWBOY &SPINGIRL7"      6
WAAAAH!                 CUDGELS/KIND/ DUFFLECOATS WAAAAH! 7"      5


FLEXIS

BECKETTS                HOT WATER MUSIC                 F       2
BRIGHTER                NEXT SUMMER                     F       3
BRIGHTER                A WINTERS TALE                  F       3
CANDY THIEVES           UNDERWATER/HOMEBOY              F       2
CATAPULT                LAST NIGHT I DREAMT...          F       2
CHOO CHOO TRAIN         MANY HAPPY RETURNS              F       3
CRYSTAL GARDEN          THE PILLAR BOX EP               F       2
CUDGELS                 RED NOSED MAN/TOY               F       2
EAST VILLAGE            FREEZE OUT                      F       12
FAB.                    NEWS/JASON SMART                F       3
FAT TULIPS/APPLICANTS/      HAYWAINS/PAINTBOX           F       4
FIELD MICE              BURNING WORLD                   F       2
GRAVY TRAIN/LAVENDER FACTION                            F       3
JANE POW/INFIDELS       TARGET SAMPLER                  F       2
LOVE PARADE             UNDER THE WEATHER/WOUNDED       F       3
MY BLOODY V/PACIFIC SUGAR/DECEMBER, WITH THE DAY        F       6
PAINTBOX/AMMONITES      HATEBOMB/MISSING YOU            F       3
RED LETTER DAY/DIE FUNF FREUNDE                         F       5
SATURN 5/F. BEAUTIES    SHE'S GONE                      F       3
ST.CHRISTOPHER          FOREVERMORE STARTS HERE         F       10
ST.JAMES INFIRMARY/SUNFLOWERS                           F       4
S.STORY/DREAMSCAPE/     THEY GO BOOM                    F       3
S.STORY/DRISCOLLS       TELL ME NOW/FATHER'S NAME       F       8
THEY GO BOOM            SUMMER'S ON THE WAY EP          F       3
WHITE TOWN              DARLEY ABBEY                    F       2
MAGPIES/ROSE MELBERG    SPLIT                           F       3
SUNDAY - PO!/BALLOON    FARM/APPLICANTS/ST.CHRISTOPHER  F       3


------------------------------------------
-              Michael Chin              -
- Internet : mktchin@werple.mira.net.au  -
- Voice    : +61 3 720 2681              -
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:06:38 +1100
From: Michael Chin (mktchin@WERPLE.MIRA.NET.AU)
Subject: Steinbecks press release


Hello popkids,

This is the press release for the Steinbecks (ex-Sugargliders) from
Summershine records.

Read it and buy their album...

The Steinbecks - At Home And Abroad With...

Spring. A new outlook, a new beginnings. Time to start afresh, start
something new. Time for the bold, unashamed pop of THE
STEINBECKS.

In their day, Melbourne's Sugargliders were up there with the best -
one of the city's finest bands. They toured the UK, released records
everywhere from England on the fanatically pop Sarah label - to
Japan, appeared in charts globally (even hitting the UK Top 100!),
scored reviews in Melody Maker & NME & developed a keen group of
fans across the world. Fine work for a simple band from the
Antipodes. It was a sad day when the Sugargliders called it a day,
but their creative nucleus - the dynamic duo of Josh & Joel Meadows
- are back again in THE STEINBECKS. The Sugargliders' career closed
off with a clutch of great memories and the hit compilation, "We're
All Trying To Get There".. and well, with The Steinbecks, they are
there!

THE STEINBECKS have all the right sounds and all the right moves.
The Meadows brothers once again show their skills as fine craftsmen,
with a mighty keen pop sensibility. And not forgetting the rest of the
combo, without whom it just wouldn't be the same. On bass the ever
dependable Rob Cooper (who also popped up in The Sugargliders and
The Earthmen), on drums the rock solid rhythms of Bianca Lew (&
hey, watch those bongos become hip again!) and on majestic horns,
heavenly harmonies and driving guitar, the multi-talented Adam
Dennis! Together, they produce the perfect soundtrack for those
hazy, lazy spring and summer days. Laid back, shimmering pop.

On "At Home & Abroad With...", THE STEINBECKS' sparkling debut
album, they excel. There are echoes of Phil Spector, the Beach Boys,
Orange Juice & the Boo Radleys. Multi-layered masterpieces of pop
perfection. Lyrically, it is the Meadows brothers most accomplished
work yet. And musically, well what can you say... It harks back to
the Sixties with the lush layers of vocal melodies. The subtle horn
arrangements make the tracks sparkle and shine. The additional
touches of piano and harmonica just add to the magic. "Geology"
recalls the lush melodicism of East Village, with wheeling guitars and
the richest of harmonies. The closing track, "Listen To My Heart",
with its down right groovy beat, just deserves to be blaring out of
radios everywhere across the summer. And in between, ten more
reasons to keep pressing that play button over and over again. The
layered cool of "2 Star Motel", the melodic swing of "A Fine Vehicle"
& the pairing of "Smoking & Driving" & "Change The Weather" where
everything just clicks! Hidden musical urging you to shout out
"GENIUS"!!! Just try to find a finer pop record this year.

THE STEINBECKS. Blowin' cool on Pacific Street...

------------------------------------------
-              Michael Chin              -
- Internet : mktchin@werple.mira.net.au  -
- Voice    : +61 3 720 2681              -
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:25:21 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Luxuria & the Childcatcher


aLFRED dOUGLAS  wrote:
>
> Has this list any LUXURIA fans on it? I know no one who has heard of
> this band.  If so I have a question. Is Noko male or female?

I have heard of Luxuria, but I can't say I care much for Howard Devoto's
voice - one of the great comedy singers of our time.  Noko is male, and
got the job by repeatedly ringing HD up and playing the guitar into his
answering machine.

"R. Willson"  wrote:
>
> I once heard this song on the radio featured as part of a polygram (4AD
> Canadian Distrubuter- I am from Toronto) music CD sampler.  They
> mentioned that this is an unreleased album and will remain that way.
> SO, HOW may I get a copy of this song. Anyone know?  B-side anywhere?
> hmm it is a very well done song and if I recall correctly somewhat
> unlike Lush.

One for the FAQ when it's next updated, I think.  "The Childcatcher" is
on a tape given away with "Select" magazine, or on the "All Virgos Are
Mad" compilation.  "Volume 11" (I think it's 11) has another unreleased
Lush track, "Tinkerbell".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 10/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Allen Ginsberg & Jeremy Isaacs - BBC interview
To whose frail frame no second motion brings


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:25:34 -0800
From: Jason Schmit (jschmit@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Belly _King_


Has anyone heard this yet?  The release date is set for Feb. 14 but that's
the only thing I've read.  I'm surprised there hasn't been a pre-album
single or EP.

Jason
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:40:18 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Belly _King_

              95 03:25:34 am

Jason Schmit  wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard this yet?  The release date is set for Feb. 14 but that's
> the only thing I've read.  I'm surprised there hasn't been a pre-album
> single or EP.
>

"Now They'll Sleep" is released as a UK single a week on Monday (23 Jan),
I don't know what the B-sides will be.  Slightly annoyed with my own
stupidity this week - walked down to town looking for the new Throwing
Muses album yesterday, but that's *next* Monday's treat.  Bum.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 10/01/95
On my walkman this morning : Allen Ginsberg & Jeremy Isaacs - BBC interview
To whose frail frame no second motion brings


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:25:11 GMT
From: Shiely Lesher (srlesher@PINE.SHU.AC.UK)
Subject: Please help me.


Sorry to bog down the list with the stupid request for help but I found it
 necessary
necessary.  I have tried to cancel my subscription to the list twice now but
still log in to my remote account every couple of months to find 1900 messages
waiting for me to read.  Could someone please take slesher@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu
off the list and put my NEW account srlesher@pine.shu.ac.uk on it.  This would
really help my patience being over seas telnetting is not something for the
impatient.

Thanks,
Shelly


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:18:45 +0100
From: Conrad Sauerwald (rcbacs@URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: creation/slowdive net presence


Found the following page at: http://www.elmail.co.uk/music/creation/
An IRC session with slowdive? yuck..

                              CREATION RECORDS

   This is the home of Creation Records World Wide Web site.

   At present we are working on bringing you everything you ever wanted
   to know about Creation Records and its artists. We welcome your
   suggestions so e-mail us at comments@musicbase.co.uk with creation as
   the subject.

   The first band to be featured will be Slowdive who launch their new
   album next month. We will be setting up the opportunity for you to
   communicate directly with the band through Internet Relay Chat live
   from Cyberia Cafe in London - so keep tuned in for more details


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:06:32 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: FROM THE FLAGSTONES lyrics


Eureka!  I, unfortunately, was unaware of the architectural term 'oriole
and therefore assumed the word to be 'aureole'.   Originally, I attempted
to look up the word 'oriole' in my dictionary, but found only the defini-
tion of the word as it applies to the species of bird bearing that name.

Cheers to Andrew for solving the riddle!


Mike

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:16:37 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: American Music Club "San Francisco"

              at Jan 9, 95 04:36:55 pm

Hmmm...

My two cents worth:

> Does anyone know the names of the last two tracks on
> American Music Club's "San Francisco" CD?  14 tracks are
> listed but there are 16 on the CD.

15 is Fearless (Reprise) and 16 is California Dreaming

> For the new people on the list, American Music Club was
> first discussed when the Red House Painters were signed to
> 4AD.  If I remember correctly, AMC was either an influence
> on RHP or it was just that everyone said RHP sounded like
> that had a strong AMC influence.  Anyway, if you like RHP
> you might like AMC.  They're latest CD "San Francisco" is
> brilliant!!!  66 minutes of kind of folk'sy kind of rock
> bliss!!

My understanding was that Mark Eitzel gave Ivo (at 4AD) the RHP demos
that ended up basically being "Down Colourful Hill".


Rick

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 10:29:05 MST7MDT
From: "MATTHEW J. POLDER" (U-MJP@PHYSICS1.BYU.EDU)
Subject: to any U of California students


Howdy,

I recently applied for grad school at UC Davis, Santa Cruz, LA,
Riverside, Irvine, and San Diego, and recently moved. As I need to
change my address with them, could you email me perhaps their email
address for the physics department? It would be much apreciated!

Thanks!

matthew


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:48:25 +0000
From: AG Wappat (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Luxuria/Devoto


Not sure if anyone has answered this query, as I receive the digest...
I once saw Luxuria in London back in 1986 or 1987, mostly because they
were supported by Xymox (could have been Clan of Xymox)...as far as I can
remember Noko was a bloke who spent most of the evening sawing away at
his violin...
It was an awesome gig, mostly because I was young and impressionable ...some
male called Morrissey read out a poem while Devoto was having a breather..
Urm...I'm sure there were more than two releases, but I'll have to check..
Andrew.
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
|              Andrew Wappat               |   "..spitting out feathers,      |
|     e-mail: G.S.Walker@durham.ac.uk      |      spitting out oar-blades.."  !
+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:50:43 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Snow" Shoveling


        I picked up the "Snow" CD for $12.99 at the "Record Den," which is
in some family owned drugstore (CVS-esque).  It burned down with 19 other
stores in the Altoona, PA mall.  It was probably the worst thing to happen
to bumble-fuck central-Pennsylvania since the locomotives went from steam
to diesal (apparantly people drove for as much as two hours to get to this
mall).  The news story even made it to CNN for a good portion of the day.
        Being a native of Philly, I only plan to go to school in this
"cultural wasteland," not to necessarily spend the rest of my life here.

                Jon

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:10:59 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: "Snow" Shoveling


I love it!!  all these people hating Pennsylvania as much as I did!!

Being smarter than the average bear, though, instead of just getting away
from Philly, or Pennsylvania, or the middle atlantic states for that
fact, I ran ALL the way to Los Angeles!

Now, instead of snowstorms, we get Tsunamis and monsoons.... ain't it
always something.

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:38:27 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Portishead


Wow, the new Portishead CD is ubelievable.  Incredible drum loops.  Gorgeous
melodies!

Also, does anyone know the www addresses for the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can
Dance pages.  My bookmarks got deleted.  Thanks.

Jan
jhanford@shelby.com

==================================================================
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jhanford@shelby.com - Internet Software Developers
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:38:25 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead


I don't really see what everyone thinks is so great about Portishead.   I
mean, yes, Sour Times and that other song, whose name escapes me are good
songs, but the rest is trash, as far as I'm concerned.  It's
underproduced, recorded like shit, and the chick's vocals are so wavery,
she sounds like she's going to burst into tears.  And that's not good
tears, that's bad tears like "Oh, Oh, I don't really know if I'm good
enough to sing on your album" type Mare Winningham kind of tears....

it just bothers me.

but, what do I know, right?

Ivo


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:08:49 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: mailing to the twins....


for people that don't feel like snail mailing to the cocteau twins, you
can now do it electronically at the cocteau twins www page. The twins
actually have net access in their september sound studio! so, write to
them and tell them they still kick ass! = ) the url is in .sig

jack (the 13th month) huynh
jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:07:00 -0500
From: Nikk Allen (Nikkw@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


 beswick@chaph.usc.edu writes:

>I don't really see what everyone thinks is so great about >Portishead.   I
>mean, yes, Sour Times and that other song, whose name >escapes me are good
>songs, but the rest is trash, as far as I'm concerned.  It's
>underproduced, recorded like shit, and the chick's vocals are >so wavery,
>she sounds like she's going to burst into tears.  And that's not >good
>tears, that's bad tears like "Oh, Oh, I don't really know if I'm >good
>enough to sing on your album" type Mare Winningham kind of >tears....

>it just bothers me.

>but, what do I know, right?

..........your loss........


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:28:33 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Laika / Snow


Jeremy Orr asks:
>A good live show would help, too - have any of you 4AD-Lers had
>a chance to see them?  I'm curious to find out if they can pull their sound
>off live.

I saw Moonshake live (opening for P J Harvey in '93) and they were pretty
fabulous. I hadn't heard "Big Good Angel" yet at the time, but they got the
other material across quite well. Dave and Margaret fooled around a lot with
samplers between songs, getting the right bleeping loops running. Margaret
was quite intense, almost possessed, hacking away at her guitar. John and Mig
were one of the tightest live rhythm sections I'd seen in a while (and
possibly even blew away Polly's mates.)

All of which bodes pretty well for a Laika tour.  "Free Bird!!"


Jonathan Daniel reports:
>After reading that my Cocteau Twins's CD "Snow" was of some rarity,
>I treasured the two-songer even more (I hugged it as soon as I got home).

I thought recent discussion had it that these were a dime a dozen? The
original release was harder to find but then there was another pressing ...
I love "Frosty" but couldn't stand "Winter Wonderland". I see it as
emblematic of their plummet from grace between '91 and '93.


Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
The stars are so big, the earth is so small
                         ...stay as you are

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:41:35 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.CIM.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Laika / Snow

              10 Jan 95 13:28:33 PST" <2f12fbd90675002@zeus.cdc.com>

>I thought recent discussion had it that these were a dime a dozen? The
>original release was harder to find but then there was another pressing ...
>I love "Frosty" but couldn't stand "Winter Wonderland". I see it as
>emblematic of their plummet from grace between '91 and '93.

Then why can't I find one?  I wuz stuck in San Antonio a year
ago when they came out and now that I'm back in civilization
I can't find it.

Store Clerk: Huh?
 or
Store Clerk: No, haven't seen that one in awhile"

If anyone walks by it everytime they go to a store, pick
it up sometime for me, I'll pay for it obviously.



___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@catherine.cim.cdc.com
"gifted child, omouidashite yo"
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:45:47 -0500
From: Jon Gonzales (DrPrudence@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Luxuria/Howard Deveto


In regards to Luxuria, Howard Devoto's project after his solo spinoffs and
post Magazine... as far as I know, their were the two records you mentioned,
as well as a couple of singles, one of which is called "Public Highway." Of
interest to 4AD fans, is that the first Luxuria record called UNANSWERABLE
LUST was designed by Chris Bigg, years before hooking up with Vaughan Oliver;
(the import CD is quite amazing!) also the Japanese fellow you mention (Noko)
was the other half of Luxuria, and plays Dobro guitar on TWP's new single
"Goin' South".
Ah, trivia...

J O N


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 12:16:37 -0500
From: Jan Hanford (jhanford@SHELBY.COM)
Subject: Portishead


>>>it just bothers me.
>>>
>>>but, what do I know, right?
>>>
>>>Ivo


Right.



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jhanford@shelby.com - Internet Software Developers
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:59:30 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Portishead


On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Jan Hanford wrote:

> >>>it just bothers me.
> >>>
> >>>but, what do I know, right?
> >>>
> >>>Ivo
>
>
> Right.
>


wow...some people are touchy.  no argument FOR the band, although I
provided an argument against.... maybe the people who like the music are
just as dull as the band themselves. :)  Perhaps that's why KROQ and LIVE
105 like it so much....ooh, neat... Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam,
Nirvana, Green Day, and.....(drum roll please).... PORTISHEAD!!!!


uh-huh


not a flame, really.  *sweet smile*

Ivo

*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*

My New Year's resolution is to kill someone....

.....what's yours?


beswick@scf.usc.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:00:57 -0500
From: "(Baron Lane)" (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


>I don't really see what everyone thinks is so great about >Portishead.  I
mean, yes, Sour Times and that other song, >whose name escapes me are good
>songs, but the rest is trash, as far as I'm concerned.  It's
>underproduced, recorded like shit, and the chick's vocals are >so wavery,
she sounds like she's going to burst into tears.  >And that's not good tears,
that's bad tears like "Oh, Oh, I don't >really know if I'm good enough to
sing on your album" type >Mare Winningham kind of tears....

>it just bothers me.

>but, what do I know, right?

>Ivo

Acyually, I think they're amazing. The "bad tears" sound of Beth Gibbons
voice sounds like the truely emotional frailty only found in rare singers
(Lisa Germano, The singer if Curve (terri?).
And the hit, Sour Times, isn't the beat song on the disc (no surprise).

Geoff Barrow is right up there with Warren Defever (HNIA) and Richard James
(Aphex Twin) for creating haunting soundscapes.
I wish 4AD would venture a little into the Ambient/Dub realm, they might come
up with a gem like this.

EyeRate@aol.com

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:04:54 EST
From: D Andrew Reynhout (andrew.reynhout@ANALOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


beswick@scf.usc.edu writes...

> wow...some people are touchy.  no argument FOR the band, although I
> provided an argument against.

   Only so many bands can be earth shattering.  The Portishead record
is nice, but it does nothing to define a genre, inspire fellow musicians,
bring a style to the masses, et alii.

   I like the Portishead record, but I've been known to tap my foot
to one (only one) Ace of Base song.  Of course, I wouldn't sing their
praises on 4AD-L.  :-)

   Andrew


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:16:46 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Portishead


The beauty of "Dummy" is in its down-to-earth recording. Same quality that
makes me prefer Pram's "Stars are so Big..." to the more technically-sound
"Helium". Both great albums, don't get me wrong. And so is "Dummy".
Besides, if the bass was resonant and clear, it would be way too close to Dr.
Dre/Snoop Doggy Dogg style hip-hop for my taste. I get enough of that coming
from my brother's room.

Gil


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:29:41 -0600
From: "J. B. Tracey" (jtracey@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU)
Subject: Linguistics, Psychology & CT Lyrics


I've been following the recent postings re: Cocteau Twins' lyrics with
much interest.  I've also had lots of fun coming up with lyrics, ever
since I began listening to them, especially really comical ones.  But
recently, I've been formulating some more serious theories concerning
reception (a theory dealing with works of art and their interpretation
(reception) by the observer), and I'd like to share them with the those
subscribed to the list.  I'll apologize in advance for the grad studenteze

1.  Linguistics:  I think most of you must know that Liz is Scottish (from
Glasgow, I believe, though I might be wrong), and as such speaks in an
accent which is difficult to understand even to those non-Scots
inhabitants in the British isles.  The vowel sounds are particularly
idiosyncratic, and a source of misunderstanding.  Even further, Liz seems
to have a lot of fun playing around with vowels to great musical effect,
another cause of distortion of particular words.  However, I also think
that this particular idiosyncracy makes her voice very beautiful.

I'd also like to offer a second cause for "misunderstanding".  I believe
that most of us think that the world is getting smaller everyday, and that
the world's population is becoming more and more homogeneous.  From
listening to the CT's, I've begun to believe that this is untrue.  I think
we underestimate the uniqueness of experience in every culture;  even if
we'd like to believe that life in most cities where there exist listeners
of the CT's is much the same.  I think we have to take into account
differences in slang and words for everyday objects and occurences.  In
other words, society/culture in every city shapes linguistic differences
in the words of everyday speech, and as such may also cause distortion in
understanding.

2.  Psychology:  I've begun to think that the lyrics that people come up
with say a lot more about the particular experiences and psychology of the
listener, than what Liz is actually singing.  I propose that CT songs are
like an aural Rorshach test.

3. Well anyway, I'll end with the following observations about what makes
the CT's songs so unique and moving.  I think the actual words themselves
are less important than the emotive quality of Liz's voice.  Even though
each individual listener may come up with their own lyrics, I think that
as a group there would be little argument about the "feel"  of the songs.

Secondly, I think that listeners should stop trying to piece together a
coherent narrative from the songs.  It's enough for me to catch a phrase
here and there that strikes a certain emotional chord.

Thirdly, I'd like to think that the CT's use Liz's voice like they would
use any instrument, and that the "words" themselves are just a peculiar
quality of Liz's particular "instrument".

Anyway, thanks to those who've made it this far.  I look forward to any
responses.

    ***********************************************************************
    * John B. Tracey, III             *  "Ces jours qui te semblent vides *
    * Department of Classical Studies *   Et perdus pour l'univers        *
    * Loyola University of Chicago    *   Ont des racines avides..."      *
    * jtracey@orion.it.luc.edu        *                            Valery *
    ***********************************************************************

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:30:41 -0500
From: Jonathan Daniel (jpd130@PSU.EDU)
Subject: CT Interview


I have an interview of Liz and Robin from the Fall of 1993 done by the
radio show "Echoes," a National Public Radio (NPR) show emphasizing ambient
music and branches thereof.  They speak of their past, Liz's lyrical style,
and the reason why F-CC is so different.  I'm willing to type it up, but
only if there's a demand.  If Lars doesn't have it on file or whatever,
then I'm curious to hear some responses.  If it's a go, then expect about a
week for me to do all of the scrpts and such.

                        Thanks, Jon


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:58:33 -0600
From: toaster oven (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: lonely is an eyestrain

              22 Dec 1994 16:44:39 -0500

aloha and happy new year to all y'all listies...i have a quick questione:
i bought lonely is an eyesore on CD recently (CAD 703) and i was wondering if it
is only part of the release or a promo or what, b/c it wasn't that expensive
($20). did i get a good deal? how rare is it and what is it worth (besides the
age old 'whatever you think its worth'.) btw, it has now made me into a
slobbering dog looking for any dif juz releases i can get my hands on :).
please reply to email with answers and any info on dif juz, i don't want to muck
up our precious listie!
thanks in advance,
-joanna-
joroses@mail.utexas.edu

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:54:58 -0600
From: "J. B. Tracey" (jtracey@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU)
Subject: A.J. Norman (RE: FROM THE FLAGSTONES lyrics)



I read your response to Iceblink's conjectured lyric for "From the
loud.  I hope it was a joke, but if not, here goes.  I think you've
confused "aureole", anything resembling a halo (the technical term for
those halos one sees in religious paintings); and "areole", the
browinish/pinkish area which surrounds the nipple.

I understand the confusion; I guess that an areole is an aureole of sorts.
You can imagine my source of amusement.

I do agree with you about the architectural motif though.  I looked up
aureole/oriole (homonyms, or words which sound the same) in a dictionary of
architectural terms, and found that both words are used to describe
the window you mentioned.

However, I'm having difficulty agreeing with you about "coarse
aggregate".  Where does it occur in the song?

Thanks for the laugh :^>

    ***********************************************************************
    * John B. Tracey, III             *  "Ces jours qui te semblent vides *
    * Department of Classical Studies *   Et perdus pour l'univers        *
    * Loyola University of Chicago    *   Ont des racines avides..."      *
    * jtracey@orion.it.luc.edu        *                            Valery *
    ***********************************************************************


Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 23:06:11 -0500
From: Ryan L (RyanSpiral@AOL.COM)
Subject: HNIA song on obscure comp


Sorry if this has already been mentioned here, but i don't remeber it being
mentioned.  A friend at projekt/darkwave showed me a new CD called 'The
Arbitrary Nature of Meaning' put out by Isomorphic records (their first
release i think).  I personally have not listened to it, but i've seen it,
and it has a track by none other than His Name is Alive.  Strangely enough,
the band is listed as Dead His Name Is Alive, but it is indeed Warren.  I
heard they couldn;t use the HNIA on a non-4ad release, thus the slightly
altered name (even though there us still the 'appears courtesy of 4AD' next
to their track on the credits).  The compilation, as a whole, is supposed to
be very noisy.  If anyone's interested in it, email me, or darkwave2@aol.com,
which is Lasersound and Vision, who I would imagine could hook you up with
the CD.

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:22:11 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Laika->American Records?


Does this mean seefeel will be released domestically?