Subject: cd's for sale
Subject: Re: !!! COCTEAU TWINS LYRICS !!!
Subject: New "hip" albums....
Subject: Re: CT Lyrics & S Nordenstam
Subject: Re: JEFF
Subject: Am I Just Totally Wrong?
Subject: for love by lush
Subject: Palominos / Lori Carson
Subject: Stina Nordenstam
Subject: The Holly and the Ivy...
Subject: PIAS WWW now online!
Subject: Re: JEFF
Subject: After a long break...
Subject: help....
Subject: Re: help....
Subject: Re: help....
Subject: Re: the use of chic
Subject: Breeders
Subject: Re: Am I Just Totally Wrong?
Subject: JACK RABID'S E-MAIL ADDRESS
Subject: Re: the use of chic
Subject: JEFF:the use of chic
Subject: Lush _Cookie_
Subject: Re: help....
Subject: Re: Palominos / Lori Carson
Subject: CT Lyrics...actually
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:46:33 EST
-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
i have the following two import cd's for sale:
global communication - 76:14
echobelly - everyone's got one
contact me direct if you're interested.
-bruce
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:39:50 -0500
95 04:00:07 pm
> > "The Spangle Maker" sort of sounds like she's singing about saliva or
> > snot or something. :) "...it's the droplet singing, broken winded,
> > broken winded, whistling..."
> >
> Actually, I thought this song was about candy:
> "He's the chocolate, he's the chocolate on my tooth...."
and then there's the part from that song that seems to be "..broke our wedding
day/I waited so long..."
I mean, how ironic is it that they make such a point of their lyrics being
indecipherable and refuse to discuss them purposely to avoid the kind of
criticism that they inevitably get. It ends up just bringing more attention to
them, especially when they are somewhat discernable, as opposed to Lisa
Gerrard's singing which really is more an invention of a private language.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:53:00 -0800
Some late-night thoughts:
Jeff Buckley: There are several moments of brilliance on the album;
unfortunately, they are only moments. "So Real" is a good
song....the guitar line keeps me interested. But there are
so many moments of overwrought pretentiousness....far too
many for me. I'll be interested to hear his next album.
Golden Palominos- "Pure": I think this is about as "thislisty" as
you can get. I find it an incredibly sensual album. Makes
me think of the important person in my life, who lives
a good thousand miles away from me. Lori Carson has an
_amazing_ voice.
Grant Lee Buffalo- "Mighty Joe Moon": By all rights, I should hate
this album. It wears so many 70's-rock influences on its
shoulder, from the Stones to Neil Young. Yet it manages to
seperate itself from those groups. The more I play it at
work, the more likely it seems that I'll break and
buy it. "Mockingbirds" has already worked its way into my
preconsciousness.
-julian-
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:45:10 -0600
Does she sing in english?
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:59:24 -0600
Well, yeah, you feel that way, and its good, but like I am trying to say,
it's unrealistic to expect lot's of guys to get off to this guy crooning
about his feelings. It's a good album and I will buy it when it comes
around, but right now they are selling too fast for the price to come
down. His work does not appeal to me as much as other male bands like
REM.
This is not insulting. It's just a matter of appeal.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:37:00 PST
Okay, I have read Belly lyrics in a few different net sites that
list the lyrics to 'Stay' as saying Salmon, and not Solomon(sp?). Which is
it? I would have bet my left kidney it was Salomon. It makes just as much
sense as Salmon....? Or does it? Input Please.
Does anybody recommend anything from TIM Buckley? I love the songs
on TMC Originals, but is this how all of his stuff is?
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:28:29 -0800
hi everyone!
happy new year! yeah, i have a friend in japan who has the cookie
thing by lush and it's the same stuff as in the uk e.p.s so he said that
we're not missing out. i finally bought the "ardor" cd by love spirals
downwards today and i love it. i also got the bridge album by red house
painterswhich is pretty good and the "fake" cd by adorable. i recommend
everyone to get these cd's especially the one by adorable...the song
"vendetta" is awesome! well, i was wondering if anyon has the "for love
e.p." by lush. i've been looking for it since i got spooky but i can
never find it. if anyone is willing to sell their copy, please let me
know or if anyone knows where i can find or get one, please tell me.
i'm not in boston but i remember someone writing that the cocteau
twins' "snow" e.p. was available everywhere...well i haven't seen it
around in los angeles. but, a friend in boston did pick up a copy for me.
well, please let me know if any of you are willing to sell your "for love
e.p." thanks a lot! please write to me directly at my e-mail account.
thanks again!
take care and best wishes for the new year!
pete
p.s. hey, i never got a Christmas card from 4ad! i can't wait for the
release of "university"! i love the "bright yellow gun e.p."!
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 02:46:08 -0800
A belated Happy New Year to everyone! :)
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Julian Stewart wrote:
> Golden Palominos- "Pure": I think this is about as "thislisty" as
> you can get. I find it an incredibly sensual album. Makes
> me think of the important person in my life, who lives
> a good thousand miles away from me. Lori Carson has an
> _amazing_ voice.
How prominent are her vocals on the album? I've been a fan of hers for
years. It's probably been out of print for a decade but she put out a
solo album at one point. Kind of a wretched production, actually, but her
songwriting shined through anyway, and yes, she does have a beautiful
voice, last I heard of it. It was nice to see her name on the disc and
find out she hasn't pulled a Kurt Ralske on us, but I was reluctant to
buy the album. Is she on there a lot? Also, is Amanda Kramer still in
the band? I don't remember if I saw her name on there or not. I love her
writing.
einexile
(my new years resolution is to read even less of my mail)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:02:25 -0800
I thought I could keep my mouth shut for the duration of one Stina thread
but I just can't help myself...
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:
> Does she sing in english?
Yes! And better--her lyrics are brilliant. Always these haunting, tragic
little stories filled with hints and undertones. She can establish a
character in about four words. I'd compare her a little to And Also the
Trees, in this sense, only she is quick and intense and every phrase
rings with some important detail or terrible irony. Well, not *every*
phrase. She can be quite charming and easy-going, as well.
Just to clear up the stuff about the US labels, she was on Warner as
'Stina' - a name change unique to the American release of Memories of a
Colour. Now she is on East West through Atlantic, under her *real* name,
and for some reason I think they have picked up the old album as well,
though I don't know where I got that idea.
What are these b-sides for Little Star that were mentioned? I have a CD5
for the song which contains only one extra song (also included on he
Japanese release of And She Closed Her Eyes)...what are these other
songs? The ambient remixes? I had heard that these were vinyl-only and
terrible. Can someone shed some light on any of this?
einexile
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:46:50 +0000
Back from the shores of the silvery Severn (brown really, but
wotthehell), to hundreds of mail messages. Obligatory relative horror
trying to eat my breakfast. Obligatory over-indulgence story: met John
and Helen for a lunchtime drink on the seafront, which lasted for ten
hours and culminated in an attempted explanation of the political
situation in Northern Ireland which foundered when neither John nor
myself could remember the difference between Catholics and Protestants.
(Nor our own names, by that stage).
Responses to the e-mail mountain:
vilexile
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:56:02 +0100
Hi,
This is to inform you the Play It Again Sam WWW-server is online now.
One can reach this service at url:
Lots of information on 4AD and thislisty artists. Offering e-mail service
to Kristin Hersh of Throwing Muses and so on.
For those not knowing what a WWW server is we advise to read a book on the
Internet-subject. For those not knowing what an URL is: it's the
computer-address and file-location used by your WWW-browser.
Later,
Huite Rietveld
Play It Again Sam
Play It Again Sam
Huite Rietveld
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 05:47:12 -0800
On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Jacob Paul Leonard wrote:
> > "chic-music"
>
> I have all of the equipment that makes me a male and I am in love with
> Jeff Buckley. I think he is an amazingly brilliant musician and should never
> be pigionholed into being "chic music." Being male or female has no bearing
> on how intensly a certain musician can effect you. Like I said before I love
> him and wouldn't sell either of my CD's for the world. Jeff has effected me
> like no other musician has been able to by themselves save Katell Keineg and
> Tori Amos. He is coming from a male perspective that is easy to relate to by
> other males. That Is All.
>
> -Jacob Paul Leonard
> [email protected]
>
> *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
>
> " I made some wine from the Lilac Tree.
> I put my heart into it's recipe."
> -Jeff Buckley
>
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
>
I may be wrong, but in this context, doesn't "chic" refer to "momentarily
hip" (sarcastic or not,I do not know) rather than sexual gender? That's
chic pronounced "sheik" and not "chick" right?
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:26:29 -0500
Just back from the holidays, and boy does it suck to be in the office.
But then again, I get to see all you guys again (awww). Anyway.
Got the new DCD. Has anybody commented yet on the pathetic US packaging
of the CD. I mean the booklet paper must be .001 microns thin!
I'm sorry to harp on something that has nothing to do with
the acoustics of a music product, but as I've said before, I think 4ad is
a whole aesthetic. As for the disc itself, I haven't given it the full
exposure, but having been there in person I'll stick with the real thing.
Got Pale Saint's Flesh Balloon. Enjoyable. Now I only wish I had Mrs.
Dolphin and I would be complete.
After further review, I give Glee Club/Mine thumbs up.
Lastly, I saw downtown a velvet cased Lush CD, but was in a rush and had
no time to check out the details. What is it, and should I get it?
Has anyone listened to the new AR Kane. What's the verdict. The song
staring off Volume 10 is excellent, so I'm hoping.
Hope everyone has had a good break, and I thank all of you for not
sending too much mail and crashing my system like when I went to Japan
for a week.
Regards,
Alex
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 08:42:23 -0800
I have a HUGE hold pile at work, and could use some advice/opinions
on a few selections:
1) Birdsongs of the Mesozoic: Someone told me I'd dig them, since I'm a
big Game Theory and Loud Family fan. Customer happened to trade
in two today. While I can't remember the titles, I do recall
that one is on Cuneiform, the other on Rykodisc.
2) Lisa Germano- "Happiness": This is the _Warner_ release-- I've had the
4AD one for quite some time. Are the differences significant enough
to take the plunge? (keeping in mind that I'm much more of a
listener than a collector).
3) Kristin Hersh: The only Muses album I've heard in entirety was
"The Real Ramona." Not quite my cup 'o tea. Wonder if her solo
stuff would strike me the same way....
4) In the Nursery- "Stormhorse": I've wanted to check these guys out for
a while...is this a good place to start?
All comments/replies rewarded with a smile and my eternal gratitude,
julian
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 16:52:17 +0000
95 08:42:23 am
Julian Stewart Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:56:56 -0600
In <[email protected]>, Julian Stewart wrote:
> I have a HUGE hold pile at work, and could use some advice/opinions
> on a few selections:
> 4) In the Nursery- "Stormhorse": I've wanted to check these guys out for
> a while...is this a good place to start?
Get it get it get it get it get it get it get it
'nuff said
-shill
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:07:14 +0000
>From my poor knowledge of Spanish
chico/chica translates as boy/girl.
So why don't we stop going off-thread
and take 'chicmusic' to mean boys-and-girls music.
Happy
'H'
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:34:28 -0500
I recently saw a Breeders CD called "Double Troube" recorded live
during the 1993 tour. Any comments?
Timothy Conlon
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:32:53 -0800
I believe that the liner notes say Salmon, and not Solomon.
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:53:06 -0500
I was just given permission by Jack Himself (note capital letters - treat him
as you would royalty :-D) to post his address to the list.
It is, somewhat unsurprisingly,
[email protected]
He welcomes mail, but remember that the man is hard at work on the next issue
of The Big T. So be respectful. And mention his cat, Mina. She does a lot of
the editorial work!
use your newly-found power wisely.
Gil
...now if you could just get Mark Burgess online...
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:40:47 -0600
In <[email protected]>, HM Cambridge wrote:
> >From my poor knowledge of Spanish
> chico/chica translates as boy/girl.
> So why don't we stop going off-thread
> and take 'chicmusic' to mean boys-and-girls music.
It's all irrelevant since the original poster clearly typed "chick" and
someone who responded typed "chic" instead.
-shill
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:48:52 -0600
the originator wrote:
>> > "chic-music"
then Jacob Paul Leonard agreed w/ me by disagreeing w/ the originator:
>> I have all of the equipment that makes me a male and I am in love with
>> Jeff Buckley. ...
others went off on further tangents:
> I may be wrong, but in this context, doesn't "chic" refer to "momentarily
>hip" (sarcastic or not,I do not know) rather than sexual gender? That's
>chic pronounced "sheik" and not "chick" right?
AND
>From my poor knowledge of Spanish
>chico/chica translates as boy/girl.
>So why don't we stop going off-thread
>and take 'chicmusic' to mean boys-and-girls music.
Though chic could be used to mean "fashionable" or
"boys-and-girls." It was intended, in fact, to mean "chick" (a person NOT
having Jacob Paul Leonard's "equipment," see above). READ THE ORIGINAL
POST! [sorry to yell, but you guys have the attention span of internet
junkies. Now what was my point? :) ] The originator has already
adressed (in his own style) my criticisms by telling us WHY he thinks it is
"chick music":
>Well, yeah, you feel that way, and its good, but like I am trying to say,
>it's unrealistic to expect lot's of guys to get off to this guy crooning
>about his feelings. It's a good album and I will buy it ...
Meanwhile there are lots of guys "getting off" to Jeff Buckley's
croonings and lots of guys "getting off" on what exactly he meant by
"chic." Now the five of us are happy because we all know what we're
saying and the rest of the list is sick and tired.
-cz ... who really is sorry for
the waste of space
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:23:37 -0800
Just for anal completeness' sake, from the Lush discography:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
A13. _Cookie_ (1994) Recorded: (?.94) Released: (12.94)
{Columbia Japan: COCY-78365 \2000 - CD}
a) white wood (4.34)
b) girl's world (4.56)
c) lovelife (suga bullit remix) (8.15)
d) love at first sight (5.12)
e) cat's chorus (3.23)
f) undertow (spooky remix) (9.13)
+ A small Japanese-only release of the B-sides from the _Split_
singles. a), b), & c) are from _Desire Line_ EP (#A11) and d), e), &
f) are from _Hypocrite_ EP (#A10).
[BTW, the image on the cover is a *lamp* that happens to bear
a striking resemblence to a peg!]
Also, the Lush discog is accessible through the Lush Web Page:
Reality
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:52:18 -0500
As regards the requested feedback:
1. I don't know what Birdsongs has to do with Game Theory (if Game Theory is
the jangly Guadalcana Diary-style pop ensemble I'm thinking of). Unless you
flip over the Residents and enjoy off-kilter keyboard/percussion shenanigans,
I would pass on the Birdsongs boys. They are nothing like Burma, from whence
they sprang.
2. Kristin Hersh's solo record is much more jagged and ephemeral than the
relatively poppy "Real Ramona" "R-Squared" is more anticipatory of Tanya
Donnelly's departure and the music she would later make with Belly than
Hersh's solo work. "Hips and Makers" is more serpentine,
stream-of-consciousness-oriented work. Really wonderful. Buy it by all
means, and if you like it, pick up the Muses debut disc for good measure.
Dave G.