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Subject: cd's for sale
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:46:33 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: !!! COCTEAU TWINS LYRICS !!!
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:39:50 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: New "hip" albums....
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:53:00 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: CT Lyrics & S Nordenstam
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:45:10 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: JEFF
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:59:24 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Am I Just Totally Wrong?
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:37:00 PST
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: for love by lush
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:28:29 -0800
From: "Peter C. Lee" (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Palominos / Lori Carson
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 02:46:08 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Stina Nordenstam
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:02:25 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: The Holly and the Ivy...
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:46:50 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: PIAS WWW now online!
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:56:02 +0100
From: Play It Again Sam / Huite Rietveld (pias@DDS.NL)
Subject: Re: JEFF
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 05:47:12 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM)
Subject: After a long break...
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:26:29 -0500
From: Trevor (ajw6@LIBRARYSERVICE.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: help....
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 08:42:23 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: help....
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 16:52:17 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: help....
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:56:56 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: the use of chic
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:07:14 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Breeders
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:34:28 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Am I Just Totally Wrong?
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:32:53 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: JACK RABID'S E-MAIL ADDRESS
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:53:06 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the use of chic
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:40:47 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: JEFF:the use of chic
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:48:52 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Lush _Cookie_
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:23:37 -0800
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: help....
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:52:18 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Palominos / Lori Carson
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:10:27 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: CT Lyrics...actually
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:33:47 -0800
From: Ernest Lopez (elopez@chaph.usc.edu)

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:46:33 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: cd's for sale


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

i have the following two import cd's for sale:

global communication - 76:14
echobelly - everyone's got one

contact me direct if you're interested.

-bruce

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:39:50 -0500
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: Re: !!! COCTEAU TWINS LYRICS !!!

              95 04:00:07 pm

> > "The Spangle Maker" sort of sounds like she's singing about saliva or
> > snot or something. :) "...it's the droplet singing, broken winded,
> > broken winded, whistling..."
> >
> Actually, I thought this song was about candy:
> "He's the chocolate, he's the chocolate on my tooth...."

and then there's the part from that song that seems to be "..broke our wedding
day/I waited so long..."

I mean, how ironic is it that they make such a point of their lyrics being
indecipherable and refuse to discuss them purposely to avoid the kind of
criticism that they inevitably get. It ends up just bringing more attention to
them, especially when they are somewhat discernable, as opposed to Lisa
Gerrard's singing which really is more an invention of a private language.


Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:53:00 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: New "hip" albums....


Some late-night thoughts:

Jeff Buckley: There are several moments of brilliance on the album;
        unfortunately, they are only moments. "So Real" is a good
        song....the guitar line keeps me interested. But there are
        so many moments of overwrought pretentiousness....far too
        many for me. I'll be interested to hear his next album.

Golden Palominos- "Pure": I think this is about as "thislisty" as
        you can get. I find it an incredibly sensual album. Makes
        me think of the important person in my life, who lives
        a good thousand miles away from me. Lori Carson has an
        _amazing_ voice.

Grant Lee Buffalo- "Mighty Joe Moon": By all rights, I should hate
        this album. It wears so many 70's-rock influences on its
        shoulder, from the Stones to Neil Young. Yet it manages to
        seperate itself from those groups. The more I play it at
        work, the more likely it seems that I'll break  and
        buy it. "Mockingbirds" has already worked its way into my
        preconsciousness.


-julian-

Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:45:10 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: CT Lyrics & S Nordenstam


Does she sing in english?

Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:59:24 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: JEFF


Well, yeah, you feel that way, and its good, but like I am trying to say,
it's unrealistic to expect lot's of guys to get off to this guy crooning
about his feelings.  It's a good album and I will buy it when it comes
around, but right now they are selling too fast for the price to come
down.  His work does not appeal to me as much as other male bands like
REM.

This is not insulting.  It's just a matter of appeal.

Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:37:00 PST
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Am I Just Totally Wrong?


        Okay, I have read Belly lyrics in a few different net sites that
list the lyrics to 'Stay' as saying Salmon, and not Solomon(sp?).  Which is
it?  I would have bet my left kidney it was Salomon.  It makes just as much
sense as Salmon....?  Or does it?  Input Please.
        Does anybody recommend anything from TIM Buckley?  I love the songs
on TMC Originals, but is this how all of his stuff is?
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               MORE THAN PENNIES FOR MY DREAMS
               MAKE ME BLEED TO MAKE THEM TRUE
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seraphim@cts.com                        www.. seraphim@akhenaten.com
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E-mail me for discussion on how awful San Diego is, for OMD info, or
just to bitch about how annoying my sig is...... JPJ (Sandwich)!
___________________________Patrick Oltraver_________________________


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 01:28:29 -0800
From: "Peter C. Lee" (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: for love by lush


hi everyone!
        happy new year! yeah, i have a friend in japan who has the cookie
thing by lush and it's the same stuff as in the uk e.p.s so he said that
we're not missing out. i finally bought the "ardor" cd by love spirals
downwards today and i love it. i also got the bridge album by red house
painterswhich is pretty good and the "fake" cd by adorable.  i recommend
everyone to get these cd's especially the one by adorable...the song
"vendetta" is awesome! well, i was wondering if anyon has the "for love
e.p." by lush.  i've been looking for it since i got spooky but i can
never find it.  if anyone is willing to sell their copy, please let me
know or if anyone knows where i can find or get one, please tell me.
        i'm not in boston but i remember someone writing that the cocteau
twins' "snow" e.p. was available everywhere...well i haven't seen it
around in los angeles. but, a friend in boston did pick up a copy for me.
well, please let me know if any of you are willing to sell your "for love
e.p." thanks a lot! please write to me directly at my e-mail account.
thanks again!


take care and best wishes for the new year!
pete


p.s. hey, i never got a Christmas card from 4ad! i can't wait for the
release of "university"! i love the "bright yellow gun e.p."!


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 02:46:08 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Palominos / Lori Carson


A belated Happy New Year to everyone! :)


On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Julian Stewart wrote:

> Golden Palominos- "Pure": I think this is about as "thislisty" as
>         you can get. I find it an incredibly sensual album. Makes
>         me think of the important person in my life, who lives
>         a good thousand miles away from me. Lori Carson has an
>         _amazing_ voice.

How prominent are her vocals on the album? I've been a fan of hers for
years. It's probably been out of print for a decade but she put out a
solo album at one point. Kind of a wretched production, actually, but her
songwriting shined through anyway, and yes, she does have a beautiful
voice, last I heard of it. It was nice to see her name on the disc and
find out she hasn't pulled a Kurt Ralske on us, but I was reluctant to
buy the album. Is she on there a lot? Also, is Amanda Kramer  still in
the band? I don't remember if I saw her name on there or not. I love her
writing.

 einexile

(my new years resolution is to read even less of my mail)


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:02:25 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Stina Nordenstam


I thought I could keep my mouth shut for the duration of one Stina thread
but I just can't help myself...


On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:

> Does she sing in english?

Yes! And better--her lyrics are brilliant. Always these haunting, tragic
little stories filled with hints and undertones. She can establish a
character in about four words. I'd compare her a little to And Also the
Trees, in this sense, only she is quick and intense and every phrase
rings with some important detail or terrible irony. Well, not *every*
phrase. She can be quite charming and easy-going, as well.

Just to clear up the stuff about the US labels, she was on Warner as
'Stina' - a name change unique to the American release of Memories of a
Colour. Now she is on East West through Atlantic, under her *real* name,
and for some reason I think they have picked up the old album as well,
though I don't know where I got that idea.

What are these b-sides for Little Star that were mentioned? I have a CD5
for the song which contains only one extra song (also included on he
Japanese release of And She Closed Her Eyes)...what are these other
songs? The ambient remixes? I had heard that these were vinyl-only and
terrible. Can someone shed some light on any of this?

 einexile


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:46:50 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: The Holly and the Ivy...


Back from the shores of the silvery Severn (brown really, but
wotthehell), to hundreds of mail messages.  Obligatory relative horror
trying to eat my breakfast.  Obligatory over-indulgence story:  met John
and Helen for a lunchtime drink on the seafront, which lasted for ten
hours and culminated in an attempted explanation of the political
situation in Northern Ireland which foundered when neither John nor
myself could remember the difference between Catholics and Protestants.
(Nor our own names, by that stage).

Responses to the e-mail mountain:

vilexile  wrote:

> Of course, an ambient thread is never really an ambient thread with a
> reference to Black Dog Productions. They are THE BEST. Kick Autechre's
> ass.

For this you DIE LIKE A DOG, GRINGO!  Black Dog's album "Spanners" is
being advertised in "Select" this month, so it's probably out soon.
Haven't seen any reviews yet, apart from a brief piece which says it's
better than either of their other two.

jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU wrote:

> I just thought I'd post some information I just got from the 4AD info
> line about the new TWP singles.  Evidently, the remixes will be
> commercially available -- it sounded to me like there will be a bunch
> of versions of the single on disc and vinyl.

Again, advertised in "Select" - four mixes on the CD, four on the 12"
(of which two or three are unique), and a 7" with two of the mixes from
the CD.  Not all of the title track ("Going South"), but all the
mixes are of album tracks.

> 'University' is still schedule for a January 16, with a possibility of
> a special CD format for a limited time. Tours are being discussed, and
> it looks like being the band's most extensive, covering many
> territories.

The special CD format is advertised in "Select" (stuffed full of 4AD ads
this month - I'm surprised there is any room left for drooling articles
about Blur).

> Belly's album is now complete, and as many of you are already aware, is
> titled 'King'. Schedule for release in February 1995, the album will be
> preceded by an as-yet undecided single. Touring will, like the Muses,
> be extensive and includes a three-week UK and Europe support slot on
> R.E.M's 1995 tour. Many many more details next month.

Guess where this single is advertised?

Gil Gershman  wrote:

> 5. Anyone have any recommendations about earlier Main releases. I have
> "Motion Pool", think it's exceptional, and want to hear more. Anyone
> have a Loop discography. How many proper LPs did they have?

>From the dim recesses of my memory:  The first album whose name I can't
remember.  A compilation of the early singles which includes "Spinning"
and others.  "Fade Out", "A Gilded Eternity", and a compilation called
"Eternal" or something similar, of the "Collision" and "Black Sun" EPs.
There's also "Wolf Flow", a compilation of three Peel sessions.

vilexile  wrote:

> ObWarpy: I just found another Bjork remix by Black Dog Productions! :)
> Are you all happy for me? I'm curious to know exactly how many of these
> there were. I now have Black Dog remixes for Come to Me and Anchor
> Song.  Someone here have a Bjorkography they could send me?

I'm pretty sure that these were the only two Black Dog remixes - they
are both on the "Best Mixes..." compilation (the one which comes in a
little black sleeve with a sticky label).  There is supposedly a 10"
single called "Bjork bitten by the Black Dog" with both of these mixes
on it.

TIM CONLON  wrote:

> Portishead...is it "Portis Head"..."Porti Sheed"..."Porti Shed"????

For normal people, "Portis head", for the locals "Por'zed" or even
"Posset".  Mum took Gran up there on Christmas Eve to look at the ducks
on the pond by the seafront (and to get the full story of her bowel
problems, no doubt).

A happy bowel-problem-free new year to everybody!

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 04/01/95
On my walkman this morning : The Family Cat - Magic Happens
Streaking the darkness radiantly! - yet soon


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:56:02 +0100
From: Play It Again Sam / Huite Rietveld (pias@DDS.NL)
Subject: PIAS WWW now online!


Hi,

This is to inform you the Play It Again Sam WWW-server is online now.
One can reach this service at url:


Lots of information on 4AD and thislisty artists. Offering e-mail service
to Kristin Hersh of Throwing Muses and so on.

For those not knowing what a WWW server is we advise to read a book on the
Internet-subject. For those not knowing what an URL is: it's the
computer-address and file-location used by your WWW-browser.

Later,
Huite Rietveld
Play It Again Sam
Play It Again Sam
Huite Rietveld

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 05:47:12 -0800
From: Brian Lyons (brianlyo@GODFATHER.CYBERQUEST.COM)
Subject: Re: JEFF


On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Jacob Paul Leonard wrote:

> > "chic-music"
>
>       I have all of the equipment that makes me a male and I am in love with
> Jeff Buckley.  I think he is an amazingly brilliant musician and should never
> be pigionholed into being "chic music."  Being male or female has no bearing
> on how intensly a certain musician can effect you.  Like I said before I love
> him and wouldn't sell either of my CD's for the world. Jeff has effected me
> like no other musician has been able to by themselves save Katell Keineg and
> Tori Amos.  He is coming from a male perspective that is easy to relate to by
> other males. That Is All.
>
> -Jacob Paul Leonard
>  jleonard@st.ceu.edu
>
> *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
>
>               " I made some wine from the Lilac Tree.
>                   I put my heart into it's recipe."
>                                           -Jeff Buckley
>
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
>
  I may be wrong, but in this context, doesn't "chic" refer to "momentarily
hip" (sarcastic or not,I do not know) rather than sexual gender? That's
chic pronounced "sheik" and not "chick" right?


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:26:29 -0500
From: Trevor (ajw6@LIBRARYSERVICE.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: After a long break...


Just back from the holidays, and boy does it suck to be in the office.
But then again, I get to see all you guys again (awww).  Anyway.

Got the new DCD.  Has anybody commented yet on the pathetic US packaging
of the CD.  I mean the booklet paper must be .001 microns thin!
I'm sorry to harp on something that has nothing to do with
the acoustics of a music product, but as I've said before, I think 4ad is
a whole aesthetic.  As for the disc itself, I haven't given it the full
exposure, but having been there in person I'll stick with the real thing.

Got Pale Saint's Flesh Balloon.  Enjoyable.  Now I only wish I had Mrs.
Dolphin and I would be complete.

After further review, I give Glee Club/Mine thumbs up.

Lastly, I saw downtown a velvet cased Lush CD, but was in a rush and had
no time to check out the details.  What is it, and should I get it?

Has anyone listened to the new AR Kane.  What's the verdict.  The song
staring off Volume 10 is excellent, so I'm hoping.

Hope everyone has had a good break, and I thank all of you for not
sending too much mail and crashing my system like when I went to Japan
for a week.

Regards,

Alex


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 08:42:23 -0800
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: help....


I have a HUGE hold pile at work, and could use some advice/opinions
on a few selections:

1) Birdsongs of the Mesozoic: Someone told me I'd dig them, since I'm a
        big Game Theory and Loud Family fan. Customer happened to trade
        in two today. While I can't remember the titles, I do recall
        that one is on Cuneiform, the other on Rykodisc.

2) Lisa Germano- "Happiness": This is the _Warner_ release-- I've had the
        4AD one for quite some time. Are the differences significant enough
        to take the plunge? (keeping in mind that I'm much more of a
        listener than a collector).

3) Kristin Hersh: The only Muses album I've heard in entirety was
        "The Real Ramona." Not quite my cup 'o tea. Wonder if her solo
        stuff would strike me the same way....

4) In the Nursery- "Stormhorse": I've wanted to check these guys out for
        a while...is this a good place to start?

All comments/replies rewarded with a smile and my eternal gratitude,

julian

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 16:52:17 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: help....

              95 08:42:23 am

Julian Stewart  wrote:
>
> 2) Lisa Germano- "Happiness": This is the _Warner_ release-- I've had the
>         4AD one for quite some time. Are the differences significant enough
>         to take the plunge? (keeping in mind that I'm much more of a
>         listener than a collector).

The 4AD release had a few remixes, "These Boots are Made for Walking", was
dropped, and a couple of songs were added, as I understand it.  Even if
the Warner release was available on this side of the pond, I wouldn't
buy it (I'm more of a listener than a collector, too).

>
> 3) Kristin Hersh: The only Muses album I've heard in entirety was
>         "The Real Ramona." Not quite my cup 'o tea. Wonder if her solo
>         stuff would strike me the same way....
>

"The Real Ramona" is the Muses' poppiest, most commercial album.  You
don't say why you don't like it, but if it's because it's too tame, try
either KH's solo stuff or "House Tornado" - I would think that either
would appeal to someone who likes Lisa Germano.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 04/01/95
On my walkman this morning : The Family Cat - Magic Happens
Streaking the darkness radiantly! - yet soon

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:56:56 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: help....


In <9501041644.AA06351@harper.cc.il.us>, Julian Stewart wrote:
> I have a HUGE hold pile at work, and could use some advice/opinions
> on a few selections:

> 4) In the Nursery- "Stormhorse": I've wanted to check these guys out for
>         a while...is this a good place to start?

Get it get it get it get it get it get it get it
'nuff said
-shill


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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:07:14 +0000
From: HM Cambridge (hmc4@tmphost.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: the use of chic


>From my poor knowledge of Spanish
chico/chica translates as boy/girl.
So why don't we stop going off-thread
and take 'chicmusic' to mean boys-and-girls music.

Happy

'H'

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:34:28 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Breeders


  I recently saw a Breeders CD called "Double Troube"  recorded live
during the 1993 tour.  Any comments?

Timothy Conlon


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:32:53 -0800
From: ivo (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Am I Just Totally Wrong?


I believe that the liner notes say Salmon, and not Solomon.


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:53:06 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: JACK RABID'S E-MAIL ADDRESS


I was just given permission by Jack Himself (note capital letters - treat him
as you would royalty :-D) to post his address to the list.
It is, somewhat unsurprisingly,

 JRABID@AOL.COM

He welcomes mail, but remember that the man is hard at work on the next issue
of The Big T. So be respectful. And mention his cat, Mina. She does a lot of
the editorial work!

use your newly-found power wisely.
Gil

...now if you could just get Mark Burgess online...

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:40:47 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: the use of chic


In <9501041709.AA06585@harper.cc.il.us>, HM Cambridge wrote:
> >From my poor knowledge of Spanish
> chico/chica translates as boy/girl.
> So why don't we stop going off-thread
> and take 'chicmusic' to mean boys-and-girls music.

It's all irrelevant since the original poster clearly typed "chick" and
someone who responded typed "chic" instead.
-shill

--
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[]  []  [] Network Specialist             Voice:708-925-6273
           William Rainey Harper College    Fax:708-925-6030
[]  []  [] 1200 West Algonquin Road        Page:708-962-0430
[][]  [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398   Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 13:48:52 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: JEFF:the use of chic


        the originator wrote:
>> > "chic-music"

        then Jacob Paul Leonard agreed w/ me by disagreeing w/ the originator:
>>       I have all of the equipment that makes me a male and I am in love with
>> Jeff Buckley.  ...

        others went off on further tangents:
>  I may be wrong, but in this context, doesn't "chic" refer to "momentarily
>hip" (sarcastic or not,I do not know) rather than sexual gender? That's
>chic pronounced "sheik" and not "chick" right?
        AND
>From my poor knowledge of Spanish
>chico/chica translates as boy/girl.
>So why don't we stop going off-thread
>and take 'chicmusic' to mean boys-and-girls music.

        Though chic could be used to mean "fashionable" or
"boys-and-girls."  It was intended, in fact, to mean "chick" (a person NOT
having Jacob Paul Leonard's "equipment," see above).  READ THE ORIGINAL
POST!  [sorry to yell, but you guys have the attention span of internet
junkies.  Now what was my point?  :)   ]   The originator has already
adressed (in his own style) my criticisms by telling us WHY he thinks it is
"chick music":

>Well, yeah, you feel that way, and its good, but like I am trying to say,
>it's unrealistic to expect lot's of guys to get off to this guy crooning
>about his feelings.  It's a good album and I will buy it ...

        Meanwhile there are lots of guys "getting off" to Jeff Buckley's
croonings and lots of guys "getting off" on what exactly he meant by
"chic."   Now the five of us are happy because we all know what we're
saying and the rest of the list is sick and tired.

                                        -cz   ... who really is sorry for
the waste of space

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:23:37 -0800
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Lush _Cookie_


Just for anal completeness' sake, from the Lush discography:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

A13. _Cookie_ (1994) Recorded: (?.94) Released: (12.94)
        {Columbia Japan: COCY-78365 \2000 - CD}
        a) white wood (4.34)
        b) girl's world (4.56)
        c) lovelife (suga bullit remix) (8.15)
        d) love at first sight (5.12)
        e) cat's chorus (3.23)
        f) undertow (spooky remix) (9.13)

+ A small Japanese-only release of the B-sides from the _Split_
singles. a), b), & c) are from _Desire Line_ EP (#A11) and d), e), &
f) are from _Hypocrite_ EP (#A10).




[BTW, the image on the cover is a *lamp* that happens to bear
a striking resemblence to a peg!]

Also, the Lush discog is accessible through the Lush Web Page:


Reality


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:52:18 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" (DscribeDC@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: help....


As regards the requested feedback:

1.  I don't know what Birdsongs has to do with Game Theory (if Game Theory is
the jangly Guadalcana Diary-style pop ensemble I'm thinking of).  Unless you
flip over the Residents and enjoy off-kilter keyboard/percussion shenanigans,
I would pass on the Birdsongs boys.  They are nothing like Burma, from whence
they sprang.

2.  Kristin Hersh's solo record is much more jagged and ephemeral than the
relatively poppy "Real Ramona"  "R-Squared" is more anticipatory of Tanya
Donnelly's departure and the music she would later make with Belly than
Hersh's solo work.  "Hips and Makers" is more serpentine,
stream-of-consciousness-oriented work. Really wonderful.  Buy it by all
means, and if you like it, pick up the Muses debut disc for good measure.

Dave G.


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 19:10:27 -0800
From: "[ViVid zine...music" (jvivid@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Palominos / Lori Carson


Another voice on the Golden Palominos new album is Lydia Kavanaugh, who
also sings in a band called She Never Blinks, who we recently interviewed
in our second issue of ViVid ZIne.  She also sings on a few of Hal
Hartley's films, which by the way are absolutely wonderful, and might be
amusing to fans of 4AD.  Just for pure "aesthetic" artsy reasons.  If
anyone wants to check out She Never BLinks, they've put out an
independent CD and I have the address/information...good stuff, worth
checking out.

------------------------------------------- jvivid@netcom.com
"violet smiles hide my eyes/try and catch
me unaware/but I'm wise/I don't lie/A sensation
to hide..." - violet (S.F.)
-------------------------------------------

On Wed, 4 Jan 1995, vilexile wrote:

> A belated Happy New Year to everyone! :)
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Julian Stewart wrote:
>
> > Golden Palominos- "Pure": I think this is about as "thislisty" as
> >         you can get. I find it an incredibly sensual album. Makes
> >         me think of the important person in my life, who lives
> >         a good thousand miles away from me. Lori Carson has an
> >         _amazing_ voice.
>
> How prominent are her vocals on the album? I've been a fan of hers for
> years. It's probably been out of print for a decade but she put out a
> solo album at one point. Kind of a wretched production, actually, but her
> songwriting shined through anyway, and yes, she does have a beautiful
> voice, last I heard of it. It was nice to see her name on the disc and
> find out she hasn't pulled a Kurt Ralske on us, but I was reluctant to
> buy the album. Is she on there a lot? Also, is Amanda Kramer  still in
> the band? I don't remember if I saw her name on there or not. I love her
> writing.
>
>  einexile
>
> (my new years resolution is to read even less of my mail)
>


Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:33:47 -0800
From: Ernest Lopez (elopez@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: CT Lyrics...actually


My interpretation has been of the spangle maker:
winded, broken window - plays with light

hence, the reference to the "spanglemaker": a broken, shimmering window.

goatees and ill-fitting underwear,
elopez@chaph.usc.edu


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