Subject: Re: What is 4AD?
Subject: Earwig's Insides
Subject: Early Scorn
Subject: lisa germano...
Subject: Muses Fan Club 7"
Subject: Re: No Baubles
Subject: Re: Earwig's Insides
Subject: Re: Muses Fan Club 7"
Subject: I'll second that Nordenstam recommendation
Subject: FCC puzzle sought by a South African
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins' Break-up Rumour
Subject: Re: !!! COCTEAU TWINS LYRICS !!!
Subject: fun stuff to do when you're bored
Subject: Reply to Earwig's Insides
Subject: Re: Reply to Earwig's Insides
Subject: Area Compilation: Agate Lines
Subject: Xymox Discs
Subject: Re: Chris And Cosey
Subject: 4AD's 2x-single release trickery
Subject: UNREST
Subject: Re: CT Lyrics & S Nordenstam
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins' Break-up Rumour
Subject: Re: Early Scorn
Subject: Re: Lush
Subject: MI stuff
Subject: ooops... lisa germano cont...
Subject: HNIA
Subject: Re: Exquisite Nordenstam
Subject: Re: CT Lyrics & S Nordenstam
Subject: Re: CT Lyrics & S Nordenstam
Subject: JEFF
Subject: Re: !!! COCTEAU TWINS LYRICS !!!
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins' Break-up Rumour
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 22:05:25 -0600
>Didn't you get the FAQ? It means forward->four'ad( British accent).
>
>The FAQ should be emailed to you when you sign up.
Though the four'ad w/ Brittish accent sounds decent to me, i
noticed that the
two letters missing in 4wArD are also the initials for Ivo's last name,
Watts-Russell. This cryptographic, self-effacing egotism seems more likely
to me.
-cz ...do
i have to pay $.02 or 2 pence?
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 23:52:09 -0500
How many releases did Earwig come out with before Yates and Tardo left
Voulis to became Insides? Or is that how it happened? I stumbled onto
"Under My Skin I Am Laughing" today and find that the only copyright date
is surprisingly 1994. When did this come out? Have they left
Guernica and 4AD?
I had assumed that this was an earlier release. Is it not? It's on the
La-Di-Da label and distributed by Caroline. I'm really enjoying it but
quite curious how it fits into the discography.
James Fletcher
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 23:57:18 -0500
I love "Evanescence" but was wondering about Scorn's earlier work. I saw
a 1992 release in the same bin but thought I'd wait. Is it much like the
new one or more technoish? The slow dark dubness is what I like. Was this
a real departure for Scorn or can I expect similar music from their
earlier selves?
James Fletcher
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 00:45:48 -0500
im not sure if anyone has posted
about this but there is a one
page article on lisa germano...
not too long, but full page picture...
now you know.
---> [spiral]
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:49:15 CST
Does anybody have idea what the 1989 Throwing Muses Fanclub 7" reissue
of their 1985 demos 7" is worth and if it is a scarce item ?
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 00:52:20 -0500
Jan 2, 95 10:31:16 am
> Ooops, I mean, it's the official 4AD Christmas card! I determined that the
> design is a banana with a ripped stocking pulled over it... no, I really
> don't know what the design is, but it is weird.
You never know. Vaughan is quite the umm.. "eccentric" when it comes to these
things. See: Pod.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 00:59:05 -0500
Jan 2, 95 11:52:09 pm
> How many releases did Earwig come out with before Yates and Tardo left
> Voulis to became Insides? Or is that how it happened?
My impression is that the other member simply left (perhaps after the 4AD
signing?) so they decided to change the name.
> I stumbled onto "Under My Skin I Am Laughing" today and find that the only
> copyright date is surprisingly 1994. When did this come out? Have they left
> Guernica and 4AD? I had assumed that this was an earlier release. Is it not?
> It's on the La-Di-Da label and distributed by Caroline. I'm really enjoying
> it but quite curious how it fits into the discography.
Insides have parted with 4AD, but "Under My Skin..." is from their previous
incarnation as Earwig and was originally released on UK indie La-Di-Da.
La-Di-Da have a new US distribution deal with Caroline, and have set-up
"La-Di-Da US" (just one guy, I think) so the Earwig album was re-issued. I
would think it would have the earlier date on the album as well, since the
material is not really copyright as of '94, but perhaps it was an oversight.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 01:04:17 -0500
Jan 3, 95 03:49:15 pm
> Does anybody have idea what the 1989 Throwing Muses Fanclub 7" reissue
> of their 1985 demos 7" is worth and if it is a scarce item ?
Well, any version of the 7" is somewhat hard to find, though I think there are
several different bootleg versions. The 7" isn't demos though. They pressed
them up themselves and sold them at gigs, so it's pretty much like any
indie/self-released 7".
Also, the fanclub, at least the US one given in the Hunkpapa liner notes, never
reissued the 7", though I've heard that before. It's hard to say what it's
worth - whatever someone wants to pay for it, I guess. I see it occasionally
in local record stores for ~$7.
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 23:31:40 -0800
Dear LIst,
I also thought I should second that Stina Nordenstam
recommendation that came yesterday. I personally like her first record
even more (memories of a color) but think they are both truly great,
interesting records.
She has the shyest of voices, mixed like she is whispering in
your ear. Underneath is everything from simple acoustic guitar to bursts
of synthesizer, fretless bass, drums and even saxophone. It all works
though. Check it out.
Brandon Milner
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 00:40:43 -0600
This user [email protected] was loooking for the FCC puzzle.
Does anyone know where he is now? Anybody have a snail mail address?
Thanks!
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 00:26:49 -0600
Find out what? It's been in NME, and I was fortunate enough( thanks
Simon!) to get to hang out backstage for about two hours when they
came through Austin. Elizabeth was crazy for Jeff and urging everyone
in the room to buy his album, and me too, but from the way she was
talking, it sounded like "chick music" to me. When I said as much,
Robin looked up at me and we locked eyes and he furtively bobbed his
head yes and I knew I was right. However, I never doubted for a
second that it was great music( after all her recomendation assured me
as to it's quality), but informed Elizabeth that she couldn't expect
guys to feel the same way.
Also, Robin wanted to know about getting on the Internet and I hear he
has by now. Also, Elizabeth is vaguely aware of WWW, through Robin
and 4AD, but says she hates computers. I wonder how knowledgable
about computers Robin is, because although he says he likes to use
them, he changes the subject when you ask him questions, like about
his choice of operating systems.
For a good idea of what is was like, read the Mondo 2000 interview.
It's refreshs my memory, even the way they bicker like a married
couple. Not to worry; they like each quite a bit still. Also, in the
interview they also ask Robin about his computer activity, and he
evades the subject there, too.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 02:41:53 GMT
but are they real? I mean they sorta,kinda,maybe, sound similar to what she is
singing........
theirs is the only music that sounds like another language.. to EVERYONE in
the world
But Liz herself
as for her romance...... that explains why she isnt returning my calls:-)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 05:17:22 PST
This is 4AD-related so I'll post it:
Someone awhile back had posted a message about the Revolting Cocteau Twins
(the sum of Al, Robin, Simon & Liz collaborating). What if 4AD artists really
did decide to start new bands with other groups? Imagine Neil Young and
Michael Brook jamming together on a project called _Rust Never Stops_. :-)
I'll stop here since I'm tired but just think of the possibilities...
Jason
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 08:21:38 -0600
02 Jan 95 23:52:09 EST" <[email protected]>
>How many releases did Earwig come out with before Yates and Tardo left
>Voulis to became Insides? Or is that how it happened? I stumbled onto
>"Under My Skin I Am Laughing" today and find that the only copyright date
>is surprisingly 1994. When did this come out? Have they left
>Guernica and 4AD?
I have one named "Past", copyright la di da productions, 1992.
la di da 022
I like it as much (if not more) than "Under My Skin..."
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:30:41 +0100
|> >How many releases did Earwig come out with before Yates and Tardo left
|> >Voulis to became Insides? Or is that how it happened? I stumbled onto
|> >"Under My Skin I Am Laughing" today and find that the only copyright date
|> >is surprisingly 1994. When did this come out? Have they left
|> >Guernica and 4AD?
|> I have one named "Past", copyright la di da productions, 1992.
|> la di da 022
|> I like it as much (if not more) than "Under My Skin..."
I have an ep containing 4 tracks called 'Hardly'. I believe one of them
is otherwise unavailable, haven't got the titles on-line though.
Andre
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 09:35:39 +0500
Hello all,
Several people wanted info on the Area compilation "Agate Lines".
Here's what little I know:
It was released by Third Mind in the fall of 1990 or 1991. It has tracks
from all Area albums *except* "Fragments of the Morning". It even has
tracks from their first cassette "White Canvas, New Hope" that were
previously unavailable on CD to that point.
It was only released in Europe due to some disagreement: C'est La
Mort had Rough Trade stop distribution of "Agate Lines" in the US.
The album has some very nice cover art by Chris Bigg. I have
even seen the original piece (from which the album cover is derived).
I recently tried to get the disc through special-order-email place
in the UK, but they were unable to find a distributor or a listing,
so I presume that it is out-of-print :( :( (BTW If anyone has a copy
that are interested in selling, lemme know! I even have good trade
items!)
?? Anyone have any info on when Projekt:Relic may re-release some of
the old Area albums (RC, TPD, BPAP)?
Thanks to all who responded with info to add to my M7X/Area discog.
If you want a copy of the discog, email me, and I'll send you the
latest version.
-brian
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 05:54:50 -0500
>
>aLFRED dOUGLAS said:
>I have to admit that I really like the new XYMOX disc, "Headclouds." I guess
>I've listened to it enough times that it has really grown on me.
YAY!! I'm not the only one!
>Does anyone know anything about this XYMOX remix disc? I saw it advertised on
>...well, not advertised, but I saw it for son line at CDEURoPE. What is
>on this disc? I also saw a disc called "DARK PLEASURES" which was "SUBSUQUENT
>PLEASURES" + some live tracks. Can anyone please tell me more about te discs.
>Are they worth having?
Not worth having. Dark Pleasures is not interesting unless you like
compilations of stuff you already have. The remix CD didn't seem very
"remixed" to me so I skipped it. However, if you like Headclouds you will
like their previous album, Metamorphosis, it's really nice.
>Finally, what exactly happened to Anka? Did she and Ron have a spat???
I wish I knew, I liked her songs.
See ya,
Jan
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 16:40:09 +0100
at Jan 2, 95 06:53:27 pm
And lo!, aLFRED dOUGLAS spake unto the masses:
> Does anyone have a complete discog for Chris and Cosey? They are just one of
> those bands that have so much on so many different labels its really hard to
> keep track of. Any help would be wonderful.
>
I do not know how complete this is..
Nettwerk has the following:
W-30016 (vinyl avail.) CHRIS & COSEY, Exotica
W-30026 (vinyl avail.) CHRIS & COSEY, Trust
NT12-3007 CHRIS & COSEY, Obsession/47 Sound
NT12-3013 CHRIS & COSEY, Exotika(ext.)/Workout/Beat Beat Beat Live in LA
W1-3024 CHRIS & COSEY, Rise/Hypnotika
W-6302 CHRIS & COSEY, Take Five (Vinyl/CS only)
W-30022 (vinyl avail.) C.T.I., Core Compilation
I own the following (don't know the label, as I don't have
them here..)
- Allotrophy
- Muzak Fantastique
- Pagan Tango (or maybe not Tango? I can look it up, if it's
inportant..)
Then there are the C.T.I. discs, I think about 4 or 5
Cosey has a solo album, which is rather recent (it's some sort of
compilation of her works, if I remember correctly..)
Hope that helps,
Roland
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:34:26 GMT
Martin wrote:
>I read somewhere (can't remember where-that always happens at times like
>these) that because of some, like, law in the UK, an EP cannot contain
>more than four tracks.
It's not exactly a law ("Mr, ahem, Ivo, you have been found guilty of
putting five tracks on The Dirteaters EP and are hereby sentenced to three
years of forced fraternization with Robin Guthrie"). The people who put
together the charts in this country (used to be Gallup) impose fairly
arbitrary rules on what does and doesn't constitute, for instance, a
"single". Besides the maximum number of tracks (five, I think), there is
one on total length. Bummer, so that's why the Clear Skin EP didn't shoot
straight to number one in the hit parade.
Simon
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 12:12:25 -0500
does anyone have, or know where I can find guitar tabs for any UNREST songs?
I don't remember seeing any posted at the nevada ftp site...
--thanks
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 12:17:50 -0500
Well, sheesh...if I'd known that posting a joke about the Cocteau Twins'
"lyrics" would have caused a re-examination of them, I wouldn't have
bothered. I, for one, couldn't care less what she's saying. In fact, given
the ease of understanding so many phrases from the last two albums
(especially "Four-Calendar Cafe"), I must say that I much preferred it when
she sang in nonsense syllables (or whatever). I can't help but get
embarrassed when reading the "translations" of their songs (as well as those
of My Bloody Valentine) found on various sites on the Internet. I know I've
said this before, but anyone who tries to look for so much meaning in their
music is completely missing the point. Oh, yeah...in my opinion, that is.
:)
So who is this Stina Nordenstam? I'd never even heard of her until I saw
that her album made the end-of-the-year 4AD-L polls. From the descriptions
I've seen, it sounds like her work might be compared to that of Heidi Berry;
is this a valid comparison? What label are her albums released on? Are they
available domestically, and if not, are they hard/easy to find?
Thanks...
Jeremy Orr
"He stared them in the eye; he had this weird ability.
He wanted them to sing, so he unchained every melody."
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:26:16 -0600
"Michael R. M. Cheselka" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 10:04:59 -0800
James Fletcher asks:
>I love "Evanescence" but was wondering about Scorn's earlier work. I saw
>a 1992 release in the same bin but thought I'd wait. Is it much like the
>new one or more technoish? The slow dark dubness is what I like. Was this
>a real departure for Scorn or can I expect similar music from their
>earlier selves?
"Vae Solis" is very, very much like Godflesh -- slow, pounding beats and low
guitar/bass grind. The vocals are fortunately not the usual grindcore
gargling but pretty much the same as on "Evanescence".
"Colossus" is more of the same but with bits of the "Evanescence" dub/hiphop
sound peeking through at times.
In other words I would not recommend picking up the other two if you're
expecting more of the same ... but they're worthwhile if you like that
Godflesh sound.
Also note that there is an ambient remix of "Silver Rain Fell" on the
"Ambient 4: Isolationism" compilation. And also a track by a band called Ice
that is quite as excellent as anything on Evanescence, and also has a bit of
a Bark Psychosis sound to it. Yum. Anyone know more about Ice?
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:19:22 EST
>
> Has anyone heard anything about a Japanese import called
"Cookie"?
> Is it anything special or worth having?
>
>
> -julian-
>
>
I think someone posted about "Cookie" before, but here's the track
1) white wood
2) girl's world
3) lovelife (suga bullit remix)
4) love at first sight
5) cat's chorus
6) undertow (spooky remix)
so, cookie is just a compilation of the extra tracks on the
hypocrite and desire lines EPs. Is it worth getting? Well
you'll probably have to pay over $20 for it and you're not getting
anything new (unless you didn't get the UK EPs) The artwork is
appears on the other releases (it looks like a peg).
Inside are all four individual member pictures and a picture of the
car that was painted with a Split motif for promotional purposes.
There is an included description of something (written in Japanese)
which you might guess is nonsense anyway.
qd
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:39:33 -0800
my friend droo just wrote me...mentioned seeing the dirteaters
play {denise on vox instead of karen neal} and also mentioned
ESP Beatles - matt from outrageous cherry & scott from bone machine
on drums, some guy on a moog and warren on vox & guitar..i
guess they played at Zoot's..? anyhoo, i was just wondering if
anyone saw this show...the way droo writes, it seems i was
supposed to now about this already but this was the first i had
heard of it...
*k*
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:52:42 -0500
in my haste i forgot to
post the magazine that
the article was in...
---> ((( REQUEST ))) <---
now you know... (for real this time)
sorry.
---> [spiral]
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:57:00 M
His Name Is Alive devoties:
I just talked to Warren on the phone and he said that they are not
going to have another album out until January of 1996 which really sux, but
he did say that they may release an EP sometime this year.
I also asked him about "Library Girl" and why he decided to use Dara
instead of one of the usual HNIA girls. He said that it isn't even an HNIA
song. He said that he just mixed a few of her songs up and out came "LG."
What had me confused by that was that there are HNIA lyrics at the beginning
of the song. I forgot to ask him about that though. He said that he didn't
even know that the song was going to be on the compilation, he said he must
have forgot about it or something.
Just one last note. I called him late one night and got his
answering machine. Being the HNIA fan that I am I was probably more excited
to hear that than to talk to him. Anyway, at the beginning you can hear like
a scraping sound and it continues while he says," You have reached..." and
then the phone number which when he got to the number 3 his voice slowed down
like in a scary slow motion movie like"TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRREEEE." It
was pretty scary. And then it closed up with little kids laughing over the
scraping or something that sounded like laughter. It was pretty creapy. I
loved it. Anyway that is all.ThANkS.
-Jacob Paul Leonard
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P.S. He also said that
they are recording
right now. That's All.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 17:05:27 -0400
Greetings,
Being a fan of Stina Nordenstam since the begining I was wondering how long it
would take until others discovered her beautiful meliodies.
I highly recommend her first disc as well, "Memories Of A Colour," and if you
can find it, the "Little Star" CD5. The B-sides are unearthly and worth any
price!!! Good Luck though, it's quite rare.
Alfred Douglas.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 17:29:37 -0400
NO, NO, NO!!!! Nothing against Heidi Berry, but Stina Nordenstam is much
MUCH better. No comparison. Stina is much more emotional and heartfelt.
I cannot think offhand what label she is on but if it is really important
let me know and I can check. I really don't know if her material is avaiable
domestically or not. Everything I have from her is a Swedish import, but I
have not seen anything in the states as of yet. Maybe someone else can help.
Alfred Douglas.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:26:12 EST
> NO, NO, NO!!!! Nothing against Heidi Berry, but Stina Nordenstam is much
> MUCH better. No comparison. Stina is much more emotional and heartfelt.
>
> I cannot think offhand what label she is on but if it is really important
> let me know and I can check. I really don't know if her material is avaiable
> domestically or not. Everything I have from her is a Swedish import, but I
> have not seen anything in the states as of yet. Maybe someone else can help.
Hmm. Heidi Berry is pretty emotional and heartfelt for me, especially
live.
I know of two Stina Nordenstam records available domestically. Both
are on East/West (which has recently been absorbed by Elektra, I think.)
The first is actually just "Stina", and I forget the title...from 1992 or
so. The second is the new one, _And_She_Closed_Her_Eyes_.
I second (or third, or whatever :-) the acclaim for Ms. Nordenstam.
"Pretty" doesn't do it justice. The style of presentation makes the
depth of the lyrics all the more overwhelming. Great stuff for headphones.
Can I compare her to RHP without raising anyone's hackles?
Andrew
vocalist now that Tanya's gone" phase! There are an awful lot of multi-
tracked Kristins on the new record, but at least Bob and Mike stayed home.
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 16:33:00 M
> "chic-music"
I have all of the equipment that makes me a male and I am in love with
Jeff Buckley. I think he is an amazingly brilliant musician and should never
be pigionholed into being "chic music." Being male or female has no bearing
on how intensly a certain musician can effect you. Like I said before I love
him and wouldn't sell either of my CD's for the world. Jeff has effected me
like no other musician has been able to by themselves save Katell Keineg and
Tori Amos. He is coming from a male perspective that is easy to relate to by
other males. That Is All.
-Jacob Paul Leonard
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