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Subject: Ivo plays?
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:42:37 -0500
From: James Fletcher (a002101t@BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US)
Subject: Ivo and Manfred...
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:55:21 -0500
From: James Fletcher (a002101t@BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US)
Subject: UVS: what I meant to say was...
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 00:34:53 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Name this tune...
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 22:55:53 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: SHITE GRUNGE HEADS n' more
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 03:28:46 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: if anyone cares at all:
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:20:40 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD-L Digest - 26 Dec 1994 to 27 Dec 1994
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 08:37:00 +0100
From: JEY (jey@almac.co.uk)
Subject: Responding to today's mailbag...
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:11:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Name this tune...
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:31:50 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Bright Yellow Gun"
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:34:18 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Utterly 4AD-Type Questions
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:34:28 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Name this tune...
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:58:46 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: area comp.
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 20:01:03 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:42:37 -0500
From: James Fletcher (a002101t@BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US)
Subject: Ivo plays?


Does anyone know if Ivo is a musician?


MeMeM (a man)

a002101t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:55:21 -0500
From: James Fletcher (a002101t@BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US)
Subject: Ivo and Manfred...


Has anyone ever compared Ivo to Manfred Eicher (ECM)?
I think there might be some interesting corollaries.

James


MeMeM (a man)

a002101t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 00:34:53 -0500
From: Hk Kahng (FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: UVS: what I meant to say was...


I guess what I had in mind with the UVS/NIN comparison was the single-
minded artiste/one-man band/backing band as a revolving door thing.  And
it was largely a joke.  Next time I'll throw in a smiley or two.  Like
this.  :)  See?  :)

I must have been asleep the last time this question came up, but what is
Mr. Ralske up to nowadays?  The last I heard of him was him producing
the upcoming album by Ivy (the mini-lp was pretty good, IMHO, although
that singer is breathy enough to froth milk at twenty paces... but
that cute French accent gets me... right here... whoo.).

And I remember hearing at one time that Jo Wiggs used to be on the
UVS payroll at one time or another.  Verification/denial, anyone?

...hoping that I hadn't sold back my copy of _Rev_ (although I seriously
doubt anyone here'd buy it...)...

[...rummage, rummage...]


Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 22:55:53 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Name this tune...


I was in the car with a friend of mine tonight... she was feeling
particularly... well, mean I guess.  She was playing a song from a tape &
wouldn't tell me what it was.  Here's a description (not too detailed - I
got everything out of her that I could), can you help?

Pleasant female vocals (mixed low), "swirly" guitar(s) with
high-speed/repeat
delay and other misc effects, simple chord progression (4? chord
progression through body of song?), the band has two albums out, the song
was not on either - on a compilation or something, I guess (which is out
of print now).  The only thing I could think of is M7X, I've never heard
any of their stuff, so it's a wiiiild guess.

Kinda sketchy, I know, but any help is appreciated.  Thanks!

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 03:28:46 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: SHITE GRUNGE HEADS n' more


1. Swervedriver are SWERVEDRIVER. end of sentence.
    being Swervedriver is a good thing.
    ex-Swervedriver members must be really dedicated to     sandwiches...

2. The Pumpkins, imho, are crap. Ladled up by a massive record label with the
pretentions of being an indie band from the start. Uh huh. Wanna buy a
bridge?  Catherine at least aren't too big for their britches. Yet. I hear a
little (very little, really) Medicine in their new sound. And a whole lot of
Pumpkin. Oh well.

3. UVS vs. REV. Two completely different albums. Like I said, each album was
unique. One question: I read that a member of "Eva Luna" era Moonshake was in
Ultra Vivid Scene. Who?

4. Tindersticks a disappointment? I thought that was a beautiful, dreamy, and
somewhat disturbing double album. And I hope such a comment doesn't
discourage anyone unfamiliar with them from picking it up. It's on Bar None,
so there's really no excuse for not having it.

5. Anyone have any recommendations about earlier Main releases. I have
"Motion Pool", think it's exceptional, and want to hear more. Anyone have a
Loop discography. How many proper LPs did they have?

6. Anyone know what's happened or happening with Rollerskate Skinny? I heard
they signed to Sire. New album soon?

...so after thoroughly making a stubborn and opinionated bastard of myself, I
turn to your mercy for answers. Go figure!

G'night
Gil "BisonBoy" G.

 Oh yeah, did that rumored early MBV compilation (Ecstacy and Strawberry
Wine?) ever come out on Creation? I've seen it in a few catalogs, but nobody
I know has ever SEEN it. Doesn't make up for that missing LP#3, but it's
still nice. Especially for us digiphiles.
 and (please bear with me), is Slowdive's new one coming out on any major
label simultaneously. January 17, right?

now it's the end. bye bye.


Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:20:40 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: if anyone cares at all:


  there is a new princess dragon-mom 7" out of 'library girl'/'the
  man on silver mountain'...muahahahaha....

  ultratwee*k*

  "...why don't they look?..."


Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 08:37:00 +0100
From: JEY (jey@almac.co.uk)
Subject: 4AD-L Digest - 26 Dec 1994 to 27 Dec 1994


|Other than that, I agree with *k-j* that His Name Is Alive should have
|been higher up... I was listeing to "Mouth To Mouth" on headphones
|yesterday. It's divine. But I didn't vote, of course. :-)

p'raps there's something about hnia fans that makes them disdain
involvment with the sublunary world of opinion polls.

or then, again, maybe they're all just too damned lazy

jey


Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:11:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Responding to today's mailbag...


from DscribeDC@AOL.COM:

> And just to get my two cents in on the "grunge head" debate, I think
> the Pumpkins are a great band that makes great records, and that Billy
> Corgan has been pummelled a lot in the "hip" media mostly for the
> crimes of giving self-obsessed interviews, failing to be as self-effacing
> as Alternative Nation would have liked him to be, and, most of all, for
> making the record that every other band in indie Rock was trying to
> make.

Sorry, but I really don't think that any indie band of merit would bother
with even wanting to make an album like "Siamese Dream".  The whole thing is
overblown, overproduced schlock/cock-rock, period.  And let's face it, Corgan
is not doing anything musically new, while many indie bands - such as
Supercollider, Main, Seefeel, and (hopefully) My Bloody Valentine - have
released amazing, innovative albums.  And besides, Catherine Wheel could kick
Smashing Pumpkins' collective ass any day of the week; "Chrome" has got to be
the most overlooked album of 1993.

And from FARRAGO@DELPHI.COM (Hk Kahng):

> And I remember hearing at one time that Jo Wiggs used to be on the
> UVS payroll at one time or another.  Verification/denial, anyone?

Actually, wasn't it Kim Deal that toured as part of UVS for the "Joy" tour?
 I know she sang backup on a song or two, but it seems like she also did the
tour with them as well.  Also, after all the 4AD-listers started ragging on
"Rev", I listened to it again...and actually enjoyed it!  I've been listening
to it quite a bit here lately, although I hated it when it first came out.

And from my soon-to-be-good-buddy BisonBoy@aol.com:

> The Pumpkins, imho, are crap. Ladled up by a massive record label
> with the pretentions of being an indie band from the start. Uh huh.
> Wanna buy a bridge?

Agreed - when writing of my hatred for Smashing Pumpkins, I'd forgotten about
that stunt that Virgin pulled with Caroline.  And they obviously got away
with it.  Greedy bastards...

> UVS vs. REV. Two completely different albums. Like I said, each album
> was unique. One question: I read that a member of "Eva Luna" era
> Moonshake was in Ultra Vivid Scene. Who?

That's the first I heard of that.  Surely not...especially seeing as how the
two bands are from separate continents.

> Anyone have any recommendations about earlier Main releases. I have
> "Motion Pool", think it's exceptional, and want to hear more.

The "Hydra/Calm" CD is excellent, and has a great package.  The sound is a
little more primitive, and not quite fully realized, but still very good.  If
you like "Motion Pool", I would also highly recommend the "Dry Stone Feed"
EP; similar sound, and at around 40 minutes, one of the longer EPs you'll
ever hear.

> and (please bear with me), is Slowdive's new one coming out on any
> major label simultaneously. January 17, right?

The last thing I read was that the assholes at SBK finally let them out of
their contract.  Because of that very fiasco, Creation has inked a new
distribution deal with TriStar, a subsidiary of Sony...and surprise surprise,
Sony now owns part of Creation!  (For whom does the bell toll?  It tolls for
thee, Alan McGee...)  So anyway, Slowdive were "talking to" the people at
TriStar, so who knows?  I'd say it's pretty likely that they will release the
album over here, but not as early as January - maybe a month or so later, but
not eight months, either, I hope!

And now a question from me: has anyone heard the new Swallow EP that's come
out on Rough Trade?  I only recently heard of its existence; I'd heard they'd
been dropped by 4AD, and just assumed we'd never hear from them again.  I
quite enjoyed both "Blow" and "Blowback", but would guess that they've since
changed their style to avoid more Cocteau Twins comparisons.  Am I right?

from Jeremy Orr
"All hail the Fender Jazzmaster!"


Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:31:50 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Name this tune...


Heffalump queried:
>Here's a description (not too detailed - I
>got everything out of her that I could), can you help?
>
>Pleasant female vocals (mixed low), "swirly" guitar(s) with
>high-speed/repeat
>delay and other misc effects, simple chord progression (4? chord
>progression through body of song?), the band has two albums out, the song
>was not on either - on a compilation or something, I guess (which is out
>of print now).  The only thing I could think of is M7X, I've never heard
>any of their stuff, so it's a wiiiild guess.
        Your wiiiild guess could very well be right.  The Moon Seven Times
do have two albums: (i) self titled  (ii) 7=49, AND another track on the
Heavenly Voices compilation (from Hyperium via Darkwave in US) which is
likely to be out of print.

                                cz

CD's, I'm pretty sure you can still find them somewhere.  If not, there's
always Heavenly Voices III (due out soon).


Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:34:18 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: "Bright Yellow Gun"


>> P.S.    How many of you are totally bored with my catalog number/format/etc.
>> obscurantism?  Don't answer that!

>Well, I'm afraid I can't be much help with it, but bored with it? Hell, I
>read the World Serpent list, and if you think _you're_ bad, read a couple
>messages over there! :)

Oh, come on, now that einexile's over there it's starting to look pretty lively!

In a completely different direction, I also read the They Might Be Giants
list, where music is occasionally discussed, but more often the topics
range from toothpaste to dreams to actual bridges with the "I don't want
the world, I just want your half" to lust for John Linnell to lust for
other people who used to have floppy hair to breakfast cereals.


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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:34:28 -0800
From: Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock (payn@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Utterly 4AD-Type Questions


At 09:11 PM 27.12.94 -0500, ""  wrote:

> 2) I'm a latecomer to the list, but
> did anyone but Kelli attend the "All Virgos Are Mad" shows in LA last fall?
> If so, I would like to hear any reviews that anyone might have.

Not only did I attend the shows, but Warren DeFever called me his little
brother at the Kristin Hersh show. Oh, and Kristin Hersh told me she wanted
to take me home and lock me in her closet, but instead she just gave me a
hug goodbye.

If you want a quick review of the shows at McCabe's, they were all amazing.
If you want more details, read on:

Anyway, here's some brief reviews (everyone who read my overly-extensive
reviews at the time I originally posted them will probably want to skip
forward now) of the later shows for all three nights at McCabe's Guitar
Shop (Kristin Hersh with DeFever & Masters, Lisa Gerrard with Michael
Brook, and Lisa Germano with Kendra Smith). And, as a special bonus, the
Lisa Gerrard with Brendan Perry show at the Wishire Ebell a few days later.

First of all, if you've never been to McCabe's, it's a wonderful place to
be a show. The word "intimate" doesn't begin to describe it--150 people
sitting in their chairs, and the performer up on a small stage, with
inefficient stage lighting so the audience really seems to be part of the
event. Then there's the fact that the audience, the band, the people who
work at McCabe's, the people in the sound booth, and the various Important
Personages in attendance all enter through the same front door and hang
around in the same lobby during intermission, which only serves to make the
atmosphere more personal.

Anyway, Kristin Hersh's acoustic performance was probably the most moving
performance I've ever seen (and I say this as a rabid Tanya Donnelly fan of
over 8 years who used to refuse to give Kristin any credit for anything for
fear it would detract from Tanya's recognition). Martin McCarrick was there
supporting her on cello for some songs, others were just Kristin and her
guitar. She played some of my favorite songs from Hips & Makers, and she
put even more feeling into them live than on the album (when she belted out
"that cloud stomps around MY house," my friend and I literally sighed and
almost fainted), and even my less favorite songs ("A Loon," for example)
were simply amazing. She also played a few Muses songs (perhaps fewer than
the crowd wanted, but I personally had no complaints--they should have gone
to the Muses show the previous night...). If you've heard KH1 (Kristin
Hersh live at Maxwell's) and were disappointed, the AVAM performance made
that one sound like a whiny 12-year-old trying to play Kristin Hersh covers
in her basement. Kristin's interaction with the audience was quite cute,
and probably added quite a bit to the overall feel of the show. She told
some great stories, joked around with Martin, and basically charmed the
hell out of the audience. But overall, I think it was the honesty of her
delivery that really made her performance special. By the end of the night,
I realized that I'd forgotten to breathe since she took to the stage, and
my friend and I were so ecstatic that we could barely talk. Kristin and the
other Muses were on hand after the show to sign things, talk to the fans,
and genuinely blush when the two of us flattered her so deeply, and so
honestly, that she didn't know how to respond.

Opening act DeFever and Masters were a bit of a disappointment at first,
starting off with some simple, repetitive, boring guitar riffs with Ian
singing tuneless, wordless vocals over the top for no apparent reason.
However, after a few songs they settled down and were actually quite good.
One song, "My Moon/No June" (I think that's what it was called) impressed
me quite a bit. Overall, it was more folksy and less... well... pretty than
I'd expected, but not bad.

The next night's headliner, Lisa Gerrard, was about as far from Kristin
Hersh in style as anyone at the festival, but almost as brilliant. Somehow,
her unearthly presence was only enhanced by her proximity to the crowd--the
always-startling fact of _that_ voice coming out of _that_ little body in
the white dress was unescapable when she was standing that close. The music
was somewhat like a spookier Dead Can Dance--although it ranged from soft
and pretty and simple to frenzied pagan dance music, there was always an
almost-frightening undercurrent that's often missing from DCD songs. Lisa's
look--half angelic princess, half witch queen--fit the music perfectly. But
of course the highlight of the night was her voice. I don't know what to
say about Lisa's voice to do it justice, but presumably everyone on this
list knows what I'm talking about. The instrumentation, by the way, was not
too unexpected--a mix of traditional folk instruments and more
modern/classical instruments, leaning heavily on percussion, with plenty of
strings. While everyone expected the "special guest" to be Brendan, he hid
in the sound booth all night and didn't make any kind of public appearance.

Opener Michael Brook was a brilliant noodler at the electric guitar--he's
not an incredible guitar player, and he's not much of a songwriter, but he
knows more about the sounds that can be evoked from an electric guitar
(with the right effects) than a dozen shoegazer, prog-rock, and no-wave
guitarists thrown together in Lee Ranaldo's practice space for a year could
come up with. He didn't really make the most exciting music, but it was
pretty in a new-agey sort of way, and his "I'm a harmless Canadian guy"
attitude was pretty charming.

Warren DeFever acted as... um... MC, I guess you'd call it, both for this
night and the next. He was pretty witty, but he looks even taller,
skinnier, and whiter without Ian Masters at his side.

Finally, the last night of AVAM rolled around--Lisa Germano's night. After
the brilliant performances of the past two nights, I wasn't expecting to be
awed again, but Lisa definitely surpassed my expectations. She focused on
the less-upbeat songs on both Happiness and Geek the Girl (which wasn't out
yet when she played), and used her cute little-girl voice (not to mention
her cute stage presence) to great effect, making herself sound more
pathetic and pitiable, drawing you into wanting to take care of her (when
of course the point of almost all of her songs is that she lets others take
care of her too often and never develops any strength of her own), while at
the same time making the sarcasm of some of her songs simultaneously more
obvious and more biting. She explained the meanings of, and the stories
behind, most of the songs she played, which made the audience focus on the
lyrics a bit more. The songs off Happiness came off quite good, even
without all the extra 4AD instrumentation, but the new songs sounded
amazing, to the point where I was actually disappointed to hear the
versions recorded on Geek the Girl when it finally came out.

Kendra Smith, Lisa's opening act, was easily the worst act of AVAM. While
Kendra may be a talented singer and songwriter (as evidenced by Opal),
there was no evidence of any real talent on stage. The first three songs
were mildly interesting--two simple, droning synth songs (which for some
reason reminded me of early Modern English) followed by a song on a pump
organ that would have been better if it hadn't gone on so long. After that,
she became a generic political folk singer with her folk music guitar, and
worse yet, she had both the "preaching to the converted" attitude and a
bitter "the battle is already lost" attitude simultaneously, which made all
of her music seem pointless. The songs were generic folk songs, the lyrics
were uninspired, and her playing was clumsy. Quite disappointing.

This was, however, the night when Warren DeFever called me his younger
brother-- as I was one of the last people to return to intermission (just
after he took the stage) and was heading down toward my seat near the
front, Warren said "I'd like to introduce my little brother." I turned and
smiled and sat down.

4AD luminaries in attendance at the AVAM shows included just about everyone
you'd want to meet--Ivo W-R, Vaughn Oliver (who signed "Oliver Goes Mad" on
my posters after I asked him whether "All Virgos Are Mad" sounded like
"Oliver Goes Mad" on purpose or not), etc.

Anyway, the sadness of AVAM being over was mitigated by the upcoming
appearance of Lisa with Brendan. Surely, we thought, they would play a song
together this time. Even if they didn't, I was at least looking forward to
seeing Brendan's solo music, as I didn't know much about it.

Well, Brendan was quite dull. He and two other musicians played generic
folk-rock (I kept expecting him to keep singing "I been through the desert
on a horse with no name..."), and the playing was all rather uninspired.
The lighting was distracting, too (lighting up, for example, one of
Brendan's arms, while leaving both his face and his guitar in shadows). Of
course there was Brendan's voice, amazing as always, but it wasn't enough
to save a drab performance of dull songs.

Lisa, on the other hand, was great. Although the Wilshire Ebell didn't have
the same intimacy as McCabe's, the extra length of Lisa's set easily made
up for that lack. As before, it was all spooky, beautiful music, widely
varied in style, but all pretty DCD-ish. Unfortunately, Brendan didn't come
out to sing or play with her at any point, but the show was too good for
anyone to really feel disappointed.

Well, looking back, I guess I wasn't as brief as I intended... Oh well, sorry.


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/payn@.usc.edu  \  "...I was busy listenning for phone sex" \
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:58:46 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Name this tune...


St Etienne( sp?) maybe?

Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 20:01:03 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: area comp.


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

does anyone know where i can get the Area comp. Agate Lines that was
mentioned in the recent are discog?

-bruce