Subject: Re: UVS=(4AD)(NIN)?
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Subject: Re: Favourite released on 4AD this year
Subject: "Bright Yellow Gun"
Subject: 4ad poll
Subject: Re: UVS=(4AD)(NIN)?
Subject: Utterly 4AD-Type Questions
Subject: PORTISHED
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 00:16:28 -0500
I tried doing the math, but it doesn't work out. I keep hearing Ralske being
compared to Reznor, and as far as I can figure out, the letter "R" is all
they have in common.
IMHO Reznor and his Nine Inch Nulls are crass commercialists looking to
appear dangerous and evil - but only on a commercially acceptible level. All
the pre-release hype about the last record being "difficult and challenging"
is poppycock. It was nestled safely and securely (emphasis on SAFEly) between
"Broken" and PHM. Yawn. I returned it on a third listen (I at least gave it
a chance...)
UVS may share the singleminded artist thing with NIN, but UVS's music is so
incredibly subtle. The arsenic bubblegum analogy is quite fitting. The songs
struck me as fluff on cursory listens, only to seep indelibly into my head on
subsequent spins. All three of the albums are completely separate from one
another - how many 4AD artists can we say THAT about? "Rev" may lean too
heavilly on classic-rock conventions, but for some reason the songs don't
seem annoying to me, unlike BTO, CCR, or Led Zeppelin. Ralske's unique
vision, tinged with a nagging sense of darkness and foreboding, is one that
is insulted by comparisons to a hack like Trent. What NIN hammers home with
the subtlety of a rocket launcher, UVS coats with delicious,but poisoned,
layers of sugary syrup. Filigree AND Shadows, if you will...
Can someone please explain to me why he keeps getting compared to Trent
Reznor? The swirling goth-tinged soundscapes of UVS and the noise of NIN seem
to be worlds apart musically. This is just one music lover's opinion here,
and I'm sorry I subjected you to it.
But too late, I just hit "SEND".
Oh well...shoot me!
- but get me drunk on ecstacy first...
BisonBoy
Oh yeah, whilst I'm pissing people off:
"A Belated but Very Merry Christmas to you All + an Ultra
Vivid - ummm - Happy New Year"
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 05:31:30 -0800
I really can't stand Smashing Pumpkins, though I have to admit they have
some nice songs and at times can be pretty effective. The power rock and
that horrible buzzing guitar sound they use really ruin it for me,
though.
I also disagree that Nirvana and Pearl Jam are shite. Despite the many
failings of Nirvana, Cobain wrote some great music. The posturing and
tired punk conventions got really boring after a while, but towards the
end there he was coming up with some nice, innovative material--very
weird music, actually. It's too bad he was so pissed off that he couldn't
just sit down and play his fucking instrument like a grownup. Anyone who
goes around spraypainting people's trucks...but I digress...
I also think Pearl Jam get a raw deal, mainly because alternanerds resent
their success and so forth, partly because they put out a crap album last
year...but whatever the case, Ten was a great album. Vedder had a cool,
menacing, original style, his lyrics were good, the meter and melodies
were interesting. The riffola was the best. Sure, Vedder whines like a
bitch in interviews, but he's at least hitting it head on, trying to
solve the problem instead of just calling names, crying about the press
and the industry, etc. There's some virtue to his words I have to admire.
Another thing is that I trust pearl jam and am comfortable with the
genuineness of what they play because, like so few other bands, they will
allow themselves to be photographed smiling. It's almost shocking to see
that, sometimes. It causes me to believe that the whole tortured rock
star thing isn't just an act.
Anyway, the new album has some really decent stuff on it. Yes, I did buy
it! So I'll forgive them for that last wretched attempt.
Anyone know why Mark Kozelek hates Eddie Vedder so much? Are they friends
or something and he was just joking around? He called him a lot of names
in last year's MM end-of-year issue. Interesting. They are quite alike,
actually.
Anyway, grunge lives, and grunge R00LZ!, because grunge includes
*Swervedriver* so there!!! :)
einexile - it slices, it dices, it even listens to urge overkill on occasion
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 08:47:42 -0500
On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:
> I really can't stand Smashing Pumpkins, though I have to admit they have
> some nice songs and at times can be pretty effective. The power rock and
> that horrible buzzing guitar sound they use really ruin it for me,
> though.
actually I happen to like that horrible buzzing guitar sound, but think
it would be unbearable in any other context.
> I also disagree that Nirvana and Pearl Jam are shite. Despite the many
> failings of Nirvana, Cobain wrote some great music. The posturing and
> tired punk conventions got really boring after a while, but towards the
> end there he was coming up with some nice, innovative material--very
> weird music, actually. It's too bad he was so pissed off that he couldn't
> just sit down and play his fucking instrument like a grownup. Anyone who
> goes around spraypainting people's trucks...but I digress...
that's really the only problem nirvana had - that and a little too much
airplay & exposure... some of their songs I will write off as shite, but
a lot I really enjoy...
> I also think Pearl Jam get a raw deal, mainly because alternanerds resent
> their success and so forth, partly because they put out a crap album last
> year...but whatever the case, Ten was a great album. Vedder had a cool,
Ok... Ten I liked (there, I said it!) - but I think that both Vs. and
Vitalogy (or what I've heard from it) are both crap - very weak and
repetetive, musically and lyrically... I have to
say that I really like what they were trying for in their battle with
ticketbastard though (or maybe I just really dislike TB...
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 23:00:43 -0500
...4AD's answer to NIN?... :)
Actually, now that I think about it, Ralske beat Reznor to the punch
by at least a year and a half, debut-wise.
But anyhow, waste of bandwidth being waste of bandwidth, I'd like to
say what a marvelous bit of work the first UVS album is. I've been
listening to it on repeat for the last few hours, and I think it's going
to be making the rounds for at least another two. Arsenic bubblegum pop
surreptitiously wrapped around a razor blade, to put it in a large,
unwieldy nutshell. Simply amazing.
Can anyone tell me about Ralske's previous band, Crash? Bit of a
Ballard fixation, perhaps?
BTW, just picked up the _Bright Yellow Gun_ single today. Hmmm. Needs
a little time to grow, but it's good. Can't wait for the album.
Hare Krishna and a Happy Rajneesh... :)
hk
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 09:09:37 -0600
Lynch'em! Hang'em high........... lest form a posse
just joined the list and this is the first message I read...... hmmmmmm......
I am writing from Winnipeg Canada which is musically home of such Thislisty
bands as BTO and Guess Who, Crash Dum testes :-)
seriously folks I am a huge Cocteaus fan... been one since the begining,
(oops dated myself)...... I am excited to be on this list finally so make it
good ok?
Ian
listening to : Volume 12, spiritualized ...... when is the new one going to
be here!!??
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 09:49:51 +1100
On Tue, 27 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:
> I also disagree that Nirvana and Pearl Jam are shite. Despite the many
> failings of Nirvana, Cobain wrote some great music. The posturing and
Actually, I only said that Pearl Jam are shite. I really enjoy a lot of
Nirvana, and Cobain's songwriting was great frequently.
> Anyway, grunge lives, and grunge R00LZ!, because grunge includes
> *Swervedriver* so there!!! :)
Really? Thought they were part of the "shoegazer" thang, m'self.
Matthew.
(what have I said?)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:57:45 -0500
Speaking of Ms. Germano, I happened to see some old John Mellencamp video
on Christmas day, and there she was -- poofy hair, denim outfit and cowboy
boots playing her fiddle. It's obviously an old video. I can't remember
the song.
M.
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 13:23:21 +0100
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 12:24:19 +0000
>Please, help me with
>any details you can provide. I'd love to know:
>
>1. how many items there are
>2. who remixed what
>3. catalog numbers
I've got here:
Cat# TWP4, a 12" called 'Remixes Number One' sleeve stating: 'for promotion
only'.
Side A:
- GOING SOUTH - @440 MIX
Additional production and remix: Apollo 440
- CHRISTIANITY - SHERWOOD MIX
Adrian Sherwood, another On-U Sound reproduction. Additional musicians:
Keith LeBlanc (drum programme),
Skip McDonald (bass guitar). Engineer: Andy Montgomery, assistand eng:
Darren 'Daz Lightning' Grant.
Mixed on On-U Sound Studio, London E17.
Side AA:
- 11 YEARS - SABRES MAIN MIX 2
Additional production and remix: The Sabres of Paradise (Weatherall,
Kooner & Burns).
I presume there's gonna be a Remixes No. 2 also, though I didn't see it.
CU,
Play It Again Sam
Huite Rietveld
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 07:59:34 -0500
> Well, I have never heard any people on this list mention them, so I can
> assume that they're either (a) hugely popular = crass = not worth bothering
> with or (b) really unknown (which I seriously doubt). The third possibility
> is that there are a lot of people like me who like this band but don't really
> think they're worth mentioning on 4AD-L.
>
> I am speaking here of Smashing Pumpkins, a very johnny-come-lately
> discovery for me. I have to say that despite the odd power-rock excess,
> they're one of the most interesting bands I've heard in a long time. A far
> cry from the shite grunge-heads I expected a la Pearl Jam.
hmm.. I think they'd have to fall under (a) as being hugely popular... I
consider it a rather shameful confession, but I've liked them for a
number of years - just never quite got around to buying any of their
albums... they're one of the few bands that I've been glad to see get
big, because despite the fact that they're quite overplayed, I have yet
to get sick of any of their songs... (something that can't be said for
some of the other bands I'd liked that suddenly found success)
we're probably both about to get flamed for this though...
purp
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 08:31:08 -0500
> I am speaking here of Smashing Pumpkins, a very johnny-come-lately
> discovery for me. I have to say that despite the odd power-rock excess,
> they're one of the most interesting bands I've heard in a long time. A far
> cry from the shite grunge-heads I expected a la Pearl Jam.
yeah, a bit too rockin' for this list - BUT - in a full-circle kind of way,
we have in past talked about a band called CATHERINE who's mentor is Billy
C. of Smashing Pumpkins (dewdrops even reviewed an early 7"). CATHERINE was
originally billed as 'beautiful cocteau-esque wall of noise' or somesuch.
their recent full length CD sounds more like Smashing Pumpkins playing My
Bloody Valentine, however...
if johnny wants to beat the rush, check out CATHERINE...
Keith
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"What the HELL is this FLORAL MAJORITY crap?" - G
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Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 13:41:50 -0500
Has anyone been able to successfully play the 'Bright Yellow Gun' and/or
'Shimmer' MPEGs at www.addict.com? What MPEG player did you use? Is there
an FTP site where I can download the stuff once and then proceed to cram
the file through various MPEG players on my own time? I looked all over
ftp.iuma.com to no avail (addict.com takes you to iuma.com Mosaic-wise). I
did make
Mosaic accept the .mp2 extension, too. Is it both music and pictures? 1.14M
seems a
little small for 45 seconds of stereo sound PLUS pictures.
- Dave
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:34:03 -0500
Patrick Oltraver
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:39:47 +1100
Well, I have never heard any people on this list mention them, so I can
assume that they're either (a) hugely popular = crass = not worth bothering
with or (b) really unknown (which I seriously doubt). The third possibility
is that there are a lot of people like me who like this band but don't really
think they're worth mentioning on 4AD-L.
I am speaking here of Smashing Pumpkins, a very johnny-come-lately
discovery for me. I have to say that despite the odd power-rock excess,
they're one of the most interesting bands I've heard in a long time. A far
cry from the shite grunge-heads I expected a la Pearl Jam.
Does anyone else own up to liking them?
Now, if that was too non-4AD, let me add that I quite like "Bright Yellow Gun",
appreciate "Crayon Sun" mostly, LOVE "Red Eyes" and really enjoy "Like
a Dog". So much for the single... now I can't wait for the album. New music
from Kristin makes me very happy.
Should be another installment of the Throwing Muses / Kristin Hersh discog
coming... now is the time for people to tell me about anything that might be
interesting to include...
Matthew.
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 18:19:25 -0500
On Tue, 27 Dec 1994 [email protected] wrote:
> P.S. How many of you are totally bored with my catalog number/format/etc.
> obscurantism? Don't answer that!
Well, I'm afraid I can't be much help with it, but bored with it? Hell, I
read the World Serpent list, and if you think _you're_ bad, read a couple
messages over there! :)
purp
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:20:04 -0800
Please unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 23:23:31 -0500
I held a CD in my hand this afternoon called "Queer" by The Wolfgang Press.
Since I didn't hear it... can someone please tell me what I missed?
I'm curious.
MeMeM (a man)
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:22:36 +0100
vilexile
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:49:22 -0500
Maybe someone out there can help me out there. I know that "Bright Yellow
Gun" is available on 7", 12", and CD. But I read in an ad for a UK record
shop that there was a "picture disc" available. Is that one of the
aforementioned formats, or is there another version of which I know nothing?
Please help me out here. Thanks!
P.S. How many of you are totally bored with my catalog number/format/etc.
obscurantism? Don't answer that!
-- Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 19:42:57 -0600
Would someone be able to forward me the results of the 4ad poll...
PLEASE! It seems that I had to unsub for a few days and I therefore never
got it. Thank you....
Miel.
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 21:10:56 -0500
Please compare UVS:UVS to Rev...
Thanks for the insight...
MeMeM (a man)
[email protected]