Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:22:31 -0500
> Please buy. <:-) I want to get rid of it all before I go back to
[list of CDs deleted...]
Hey, you oughta give the Used CD listserv a shot. Everytime I find a good
CD on it, it's already been sold so if you're having trouble finding
I don't have the address handy, but if you want I can find it...
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 22:42:17 -0800
On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Steve Hill wrote:
> In <9412211753.AA18565@harper.cc.il.us>, TIM CONLON wrote:
> > I voted for Wolfgang Press. If the CD says 1994...isn't that this
> > year?
> Well, yes, 1994 is this year, but the CD's official release date isn't until
> 1995. You may have it, and I may have it, but it's not really out yet... :)
Don't think of it as january of 1995. Think of it as Jack of 1994. ;)
einexile (you're writhing in it)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:06:07 -0800
On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Jan Hanford wrote:
> BTW, I realise that this isn't 4AD related. The list seems to be talking
> about a lot of other stuff these days. Does anyone know if there's an
> ambient music discussion list? It's my favourite kind of music. I'd just
> as soon discuss is here with everyone else, it is a listy type of thing.
There are several ambient and electronic music lists, but the signal:noise
is generally bad on them and there is too much attitude and sanctimony on
these lists for my tastes. The ambient discussion on 4AD-L isn't so
dense, but is imo of a much higher quality. I subscribe to the others
only to keep an eye on the subject lines for new releases, overdoses, etc.
Autechre are hell on wheels. I haven't heard the new album but what I
have heard defiitely fits the desciption you gave. The atmosphere is
wonderfully futuristic, sterile, and oppressive. (I kind of have this
love for the whole thing with people having numbers instead of names,
their daily routine arranged for them by a big omniscient computer, etc.)
I've heard that the new album is not so lush or 'ambient' as the first
one was. Incunabula is really runneth over with the sort of feel that
gives Reload its kick. The new Global Communication album (same people)
is also nice for that.
Of course, an ambient thread is never really an ambient thread with a
reference to Black Dog Productions. They are THE BEST. Kick Autechre's
That's all I can think to say at the moment.
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:15:18 -0800
On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Steve Hill wrote:
> > 24 8 3.0 the glee club - mine
> > 23 5 4.6 glee club - mine
> So this should actually be
> 3) 47 13 3.6 the glee club - mine
> I would have put TWP first, but it's not really a 1994 release. There are a
> LOT of other tiny errors in these poll results, mostly due to the voters
> (Spoonfed Hybrid? Four Calendar Cafe? 1993 releases) but also due to duplicate
> entries being spelled or designated differently, as seen with "glee club" and
> "the glee club" above, and for example also in the "Best Artist on 4AD ever"
> list with entries for "clan of xymox" and "xymox". I recall last year someone
> voted for "cocteaus"...
It's proper to differentiat with Clan of Xymox and Just Plain Xymox
because the name change marks a conscious decision to become a crap disco
band...okay, so this isn't really true, but it's what happened, and there
*was* a "Xymox" release on 4AD.
Anyway, I was noticing several 4AD releases ended up in the "non-4AD"
categories. What do we do with them? I say the people who sent that stuff
in ought to be disqualified! :scrooge: And shame on everyone who didn't
get their release years right! Jesus Christ, look at the damned record
and see what year it came out in, already!
One thing that fouled me up was weren't we limited to a maximum of five
points per item last year? I just assumed it was the same this time also.
Maybe I was wrong in both cases.
I also think there should be a special category, "sentimental booby
prize" or something, for those records you just can't bring yourself to
admit are, well, put nicely, *utter shit*.
I do have a hell of a lot of fun with this poll and think it's a major
credit to this list. Three cheers for Lars and kudos too, even though,
if memory serves, he ditched us until the end of the year or something
like that. ;)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 03:07:21 -0800
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 03:11:54 -0800
any redundant and/or lame sentence structure in that xmas
note is my fault. that's what happens when i e-mail on the
brink of passing out...
*k* ...blah blah blah...
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:27:54 -0600
I was going to start this note with "A very special holiday
message to you" but there's nothing special about it. So:
A very ordinary and unremarkable holiday message to you from
me. Please do not save this message, there is no point. Use the
bytes for better things. Please do not print this message, there is
a paper shortage. Please do not read this message twice, you have
better things to do with your time. Have a great holiday and I hope
you don't die.
Every Christmas I smile at the thought of the Santa Claus
episode of MST3K...Santa, of course, knows if you've been bad or
good because he has an observation tower from which he can see the
whole entire world. During a routine check, he sees that little
Timmy has been a bad boy. "I see that Timmy is being a bad boy.
I'll just activate the death ray here..."
Oh, come on, laugh. See you or type at you next year.
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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 11:02:20 -0500
Sounds like a ripoff. I could have that same tape made in little over
an hour at home. None of that stuff is rare. You know you've stumbled
across something rare if it has Peel Sessions on it other than those
featured on the import version of "Garlands" on CD. There's a LOT of
Peel material that never made it to official release and is only found
on bootlegs. There are also a couple tunes that can be found on a
few live bootlegs that were never released, either.
The tape you refer to is a home-job compilation done by someone who had
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 10:49:40 -0500
I spotted multiple copies of a seeming Cocteau bootleg yesterday and was
wondering if anyone... had this/knew about this/can describe sound quality
of this... Apparently it is just a compilation of B-singles but probably
the most noteworthy ones of the box set...
It had no label or label number on the case, but it did use the 4ad logo,
though it seems to be unofficial.
COCTEAU TWINS: The forgotten 4ad tracks
1. Alas dies laughing
2. It's all but an ark lark
3. Peppermint pig (7" version)
4. Laugh lines
6. Peppermint pig (12" version)
7. Pearly-dewdrops 'drops (12" version)
11. Love's easy tears
12. Those eyes, that mouth
13. Sigh's smell of farewell
14. Orange appled
17. High monkey monk
18. Mizake the mizan
The running time is something like 74 or 72 minutes... anyone know about this?
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:21:18 -0800
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 14:59:04 EST
Sorry to post non-4ad, but keeping in the ambient thread, has anyone heard of
the San Francisco-based band "Weird Blinking Lights", which is apparently an
ambient industrial band? Thanks.
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 15:09:53 -0500
I'm on the digest so I don't know if anyone has replied or not, but I
forgot to mention that this is a bootleg CD, not video.
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:07:12 -0800
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:28:17 -0500
hey to end the speculation/whatever...here's the real deal :
Jenny Toomey was approached by Ivo of 4AD to take part in a "series"
of releases he was planning to do. The "concept" was loosely "solo
projects by members of currently active bands" or something similar.
The series fell apart, but Ivo liked what Jenny recorded, so will be
releasing the album on 4AD at some point next year. The other half
of the equation is Dan Littleton, of Ida. The "band" will probably
be called Stengal, after the baseball player.
It's a one-off, it's being distributed via ADA in the States and the
usual 4AD network in Europe.
Tsunami are healthy and about to record a new record and tour, so all
you haters of "indie" or "pop" or any of it's subgenres should
probably cancel all your fanzine subscriptions for the next six
Nothing against sideprojects, spin-offs, remakes, prolificacy, guest
appearances, or out-takes, but I draw the line at improvisation.
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:23:11 -0500
Even if "Forgotten Tracks" is a 'cut and paste' job, together with "Tiny
Dynamine/Echoes in a Shallow Bay" and "The Pink Opaque", it comprises the
entire boxed set. If you can find the other two CDs, you'll end up spending
less than the $60.00 boxed package. Plus, it's always nice to not have to
switch disks after every 3 or 4 songs. In defense of "Forgotten...", the idea
of running the tracks in chronological order is interesting. It shows how the
Twins evolved from a pretty unexciting (IMHO) gothic-type band into a
wonderful and enchanting musical entity (somewhere round "Love's Easy Tears"
or "Pearly Dew-Drops")
So if you don't have the box, and you can find this illegitimate Cocteau
release, pick it up. It sure beats paying $10 or so for each of the eps. And
then there are the last 4 tracks. Some of them aren't so easy to find.
"Dials" is from a promo, "Crushed" is from "Lonely is an Eyesore", etc. If
it's not too expensive, it's worth it. I got mine for free. It's a long
...no, I can't get another one. Sorry.
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:44:39 -0500
Actually, the new issue is out - I just got it in the mail on Monday or
Tuesday. Lush is on the cover (their first full-color), and it also features
big interviews with Bob Mould of Sugar, Oasis (ugh), and tons more. It's a
brilliant magazine that just keeps getting better. At first, I used to get
annoyed that it only comes out twice a year - but hell, it almost takes the
full six months to get through each issue! Anyway, kids...buy buy buy! You
won't be disappointed. And besides, Jack's a great guy and needs everyone's
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 14:32:44 -0800
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 18:36:00 CDT
And yet another cool fanzine.
This time from Arizona (yep,the home of Lovesliecrushing, and they have a
close-up on them). 52 pages, some records' ads, but not too many. The impressive
issue. 3-5 pages each, transcription only. What makes this magazine so nice are
about 80 album reviews, covering practically all more or less obscure bands
discussed on the list. Personnaly I loved also the language: imaginative, but at
the same time very focused. Go and get it just for the information content,
nothing to say about the coolness factor!
They promise ints w/ Mazzy star, the wedding Present, E.River pipe, Low, Bark
Psychosis, Half String and Alison's Halo. Do not know about your pulse now, but
I can't wait!
Sample $3, subscr. $8(bulk),$10 (1st class)
Tempe AZ 85280
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 21:02:29 -0500
I think you mean "Stengel," not "Stengal"...
An anal baseball fan,
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 18:51:18 -0800
Hello...I am part of a group that collectively publishes a zine dedicated
to 'art, music and words.' We are a San Francisco-based zine providing a
source to and for independent individuals and bands, artists, and writers
(we sometimes throw in a major label here and there, if we think they
deserve even more attention, and nowadays it's not easy to avoid them.).
Our aim is to expose artists, bands and writers that we enjoy who do not
always get the attention they deserve.
Having an international readership, we are also introducing new bands to
countless new fans!
ViVid #2 is out now, and features interviews with Tsunami, She Never
Blinks, Bracket, Helmet, Veruca Salt and others. A profile on Poster
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Rasputina, Sick Of It All and more!!).
ViVid #1 is SOLD OUT.
Currently, we are working on ViVid 3, focusing on girls/grrrls. Lined up
already are interviews with SubPop's JALE, Slow River's Juicy, Sarah
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In addition to b&w art and writings, ViVid reviews books, magazines and
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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 19:28:34 -0800
> So if you don't have the box, and you can find this illegitimate Cocteau
> release, pick it up. It sure beats paying $10 or so for each of the eps. And
Well, "pick it up" if you'd rather give your bucks to some bootlegger than
to the band & the label.
"He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."