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Subject: Re: Jenny Toomey/Slack
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:30:02 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:37:25 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Which Moon?
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:33:10 -0800
From: Rann Sanders (greywolf@GATE5.AZ.COM)
Subject: Re: Which Moon?
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:22:05 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DC's sex & death
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 10:30:57 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: FOR JEFF WILCOX
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: DC's sex & death
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:46:21 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Earwig, pre-Insides, $4
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:52:39 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Earwig, pre-Insides, $4
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:22:41 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Which Moon?
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:36:02 -0600
From: Literati (literati@PRAIRIENET.ORG)
Subject: Re: random musings
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:02:52 -0500
From: LoudFastRules (petula@PHANTOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Which Moon?
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 08:55:20 -0800
From: Rann Sanders (greywolf@KRISTINA.AZ.COM)
Subject: Re: Tsunami
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:50:38 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:51:10 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@CLARK.NET)
Subject: I'm still selling some stuff...
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:45:16 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tsunami, Slack, whatever
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:14:18 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Tsunami, Slack, whatever
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 16:33:32 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 12"
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:08:06 -0500
From: Alexander Jeremy Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: review request
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:52:20 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD and Corporate Whoredom
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:21:11 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:30:02 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Jenny Toomey/Slack


IM(NS)HO, Tsunami and Ms. Toomey could have used a genius like Warren while
recording "The Heart's Tremelo". Yawn! And to think that the title conjures
misleading impressions of both Cocteaus (Tinderbox of a...) and MBV
("Tremolo" ep). I liked "Deep End", but that last record was just a good way
to ensure a full night's sleep. Anyone agree?
Attn, Jenny. When a band is praised for its spry, sarcastic,
 playfully-aggressive indie pop/rock, it should not follow up with an album
of leaden, overly ironic, lethargic, moping whatthehellisthis/rock...

BisonBoy(Gil) whose in a bad mood because it's winter, and winter sucks.
^_^


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:37:25 -0500
From: Jason Greshes and her (jgreshes@NETAXS.COM)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO


> had never seen before.  It's called "On the Way down from the Moon Palace,"
> and it;s from 93 (pre 4Ad days) on Egg Records out of Indianapolis.


I know I will burn in hell with indie record store employees sticking hot
needles under my fingernails, but I bought this at Best Buys this
weekend, so there's a closer source than mail-order.

                                        jason  (ow...ow...that hurts...)


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:33:10 -0800
From: Rann Sanders (greywolf@GATE5.AZ.COM)
Subject: Which Moon?


I just purchased "The Moon Seven Times" and am wondering if this is the
album that was recommended here; or purchance did i confuse it with "The
Moon and the Melodies"   It's not bad all the same ;)


Greywolf


P.S. Is *KJ* famous?  The last informational posting by 4AD (just
received) referred to a KJ in Iowa having an "unhealthy obsession".  I'm
afraid i'm guilty of the same  (and don't listen to him, we like
you right where you are *K*)

          // greywolf@kristina.az.com / rannster@animal.cc.wwu.edu //
    "The world is your exercise-book, the pages on which you do your sums.
   It is not reality, although you can express reality there if you wish.
     You are also free to write nonsense, or lies, or to tear the pages."
                        - Richard Bach "Illusions"


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:22:05 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Which Moon?


On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Rann Sanders wrote:

> P.S. Is *KJ* famous?  The last informational posting by 4AD (just
> received) referred to a KJ in Iowa having an "unhealthy obsession".  I'm
> afraid i'm guilty of the same  (and don't listen to him, we like
> you right where you are *K*)

  i'm certainly not famous..nor do i live in iowa. just your average
  4ad nerd from california, i'm afraid. :(

>     "The world is your exercise-book, the pages on which you do your sums.
>    It is not reality, although you can express reality there if you wish.
>      You are also free to write nonsense, or lies, or to tear the pages."
>                         - Richard Bach "Illusions"

  YES!!!! this book is *awesome*. you're the third person i have heard
  of who even knows about it, counting myself. truly a great treasure...

  *k-j* ...ugh..the doggie wants to play...AGAIN....

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 10:30:57 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: DC's sex & death

              Dec 19, 94 02:29:48 pm

MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN  wrote:
>
> maybe i missed it, but has anyone posted a review of sex & death? what
> does it sound like?
>
> -bruce
>

Bruce?  Norman?  (DC = Durutti Column, by the way)

"Sex and Death" is a fine album - no great surprises, Bruce Mitchell
plays drums on most of the tracks, John Metcalfe and Rob Grey join in,
Peter Hook plays bass on one song, and about half the songs have vocals.
Less overt sampling than "Vini Reilly", not quite as straightforward as
"The Guitar and Other Machines", it's like a summary of Vini's entire
career on one album.  The label is Factory Too, not Factory 2 as had
been reported, and the catalogue number is FAC 2.01.

Automated .sig below (when the kids go home for Christmas I get time to
play with UNIX).
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk
On my walkman this morning : Frank Black - Teenager of the Year
We are as clouds that veil the midnight moon;


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL (050HEM@COSMOS.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: FOR JEFF WILCOX


to the list : APPOLOGIES!!!!!

to jeff wilcox:

been trying to mail you for a while now with no luck...could you mail
me ASAP

cheers
wattso__________________________________________________
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!                     ...in time                 !
!                       ...like tears            !
!                          ...in rain.           !
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:46:21 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: DC's sex & death

              19 Dec 1994 14:35:23 CST

Somebody wrote:

> maybe i missed it, but has anyone posted a review of sex & death? what
> does it sound like?

Well sex is kinda cool and sorta goes slurp slurp ohhhhhh while death kinda
sucks and sorta goes ...


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:52:39 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Earwig, pre-Insides, $4

              19 Dec 1994 13:46:28 -0600

Kent J. Vanderwaal wrote:

>Found an earlier Earwig CD for only $4 in the used bin.
>"Past" has a horrible cover and these songs:
>
>both of us screaming
>her stupid face
>it's the waiting i can't stand
>driving you mad, slowly
>everything's just fine
>sour song
>you don't even come close
>your friends
>out of my hands, over my head
>slit
>i don't shop at blockbuster

Wasn't the last track released on an EP with "so where do you stand on the
four calendar cafe debate, twee lover boy"?

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:22:41 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Earwig, pre-Insides, $4

              94 12:52:39 pm

Simon Hughes  wrote:
>
> Kent J. Vanderwaal wrote:
>
> >Found an earlier Earwig CD for only $4 in the used bin.
> >"Past" has a horrible cover and these songs:
> >

[The curse of vi strikes again!]

> >i don't shop at blockbuster
>
> Wasn't the last track released on an EP with "so where do you stand on the
> four calendar cafe debate, twee lover boy"?
>

And einexile's favourite song, "Black Dog" by Led Medicine?


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 20/12/94
On my walkman this morning : Frank Black - Teenager of the Year
We are as clouds that veil the midnight moon;


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:36:02 -0600
From: Literati (literati@PRAIRIENET.ORG)
Subject: Re: Which Moon?


>I just purchased "The Moon Seven Times" and am wondering if this is the
>album that was recommended here; or purchance did i confuse it with "The
>Moon and the Melodies"   It's not bad all the same ;)

Well, I recommend it to most people I talk to, and there's been a bit of
talk about them here. Did you get _7=49_ or the self-titled one? I like
both.

Literati

 ____
//  \\ ()  I'll be told that I'm grown when I turn twenty-one
\_/ // ()  But I won't really feel it
   //      So I'll dress up in black and be melodramatic
  /             --literati@prairienet.org


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:02:52 -0500
From: LoudFastRules (petula@PHANTOM.COM)
Subject: Re: random musings

              mbv@sunshine.io.com

On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Jason Schmit wrote:

> OK, OK - can we just be satisfied with calling it "shoegazing" or "dreampop"?
> (or whatever other descriptive term that suits your fancy)
>
> Everyone has a right to voice their opinion but
> that doesn't make all opinions equal since some individuals are more informed
> than others and therefore have opinions which are backed by some amount of
> knowledge pertaining to the subject being discussed rather than a "knee-jerk"
> reaction which anyone can formulate "off the cuff".

I vote for knee-jerk reactions, which is what this is.  So long.

PC
>

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 08:55:20 -0800
From: Rann Sanders (greywolf@KRISTINA.AZ.COM)
Subject: Re: Which Moon?


It's the self titled TMST (had to do it)...

The 1st listen was a little hard (she doesn't hit her notes clearly, or
directly on), after that the album just keeps getting *better*.  Her voice
sort of reminds me of Everything but the Girl's lead singer; a little
like it belongs in a darkly lit, smoke filled, jazz club (raspy, cool man).

They *did* have two copies, if anyone's interested....

Greywolf

          // greywolf@kristina.az.com / rannster@animal.cc.wwu.edu //
    "The world is your exercise-book, the pages on which you do your sums.
   It is not reality, although you can express reality there if you wish.
     You are also free to write nonsense, or lies, or to tear the pages."
                        - Richard Bach "Illusions"

On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Literati wrote:

> >I just purchased "The Moon Seven Times" and am wondering if this is the
> >album that was recommended here; or purchance did i confuse it with "The
> >Moon and the Melodies"   It's not bad all the same ;)
>
> Well, I recommend it to most people I talk to, and there's been a bit of
> talk about them here. Did you get _7=49_ or the self-titled one? I like
> both.
>
> Literati
>
>  ____
> //  \\ ()  I'll be told that I'm grown when I turn twenty-one
> \_/ // ()  But I won't really feel it
>    //      So I'll dress up in black and be melodramatic
>   /             --literati@prairienet.org
>

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 09:50:38 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Tsunami


BisonBoy opines:
>IM(NS)HO, Tsunami and Ms. Toomey could have used a genius like Warren while
>recording "The Heart's Tremelo". Yawn! And to think that the title conjures
>misleading impressions of both Cocteaus (Tinderbox of a...) and MBV
>("Tremolo" ep). I liked "Deep End", but that last record was just a good way
>to ensure a full night's sleep. Anyone agree?
>Attn, Jenny. When a band is praised for its spry, sarcastic,
> playfully-aggressive indie pop/rock, it should not follow up with an album
>of leaden, overly ironic, lethargic, moping whatthehellisthis/rock...

Au contraire, mon frere. Apart from the first track (which is awful) I like
"...Tremolo" better than "Deep End". Maybe this is because my favorite track
from "Deep End" was "Genius Of Crack"; i.e. I _like_ the brooding and
discordant side of Tsunami _better_ than the predictable-US-indie-rock side.
I mean, there are hundreds of 7"s you can pick up at your better record
stores that sound just like "In A Name", but gems like "Fast Food Medicine"
or "Cowed By the Bla Bla" just come out of nowhere and whack you like a cast
iron frying pan. I like Jenny's jazz-singer voice, the total unexpectedness
of the chord changes, and the way the songs shift around in midstream.
Reminds me of Good Ole Classic Throwing Muses in a way... or maybe P J
Harvey... Anyhow, the album's at #5 or so on my forthcoming top ten list.

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
The stars are so big, the earth is so small
                         ...stay as you are


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:51:10 -0500
From: Deb (indigo@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO


Jason Greshes and her  wrote:

I saw a copy at a Best Buys near me, too. They also had the Columbia version
of Happiness, as well as the 4AD discs.  All highly recommended.

--
Deb \/ indigo@clark.net \/ 12-20-1994 13:51 EST \/ Yarn 0.75 \/ YES 0.09


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:45:16 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: I'm still selling some stuff...


Please buy.  <:-)  I want to get rid of it all before I go back to school...

the belltower   popdropper (hole-punched promo)         $6 (atl 92183)

dinosaur jr     going home (promo)                      $20 (pro-cd-6328)
                1. goin home
                2. quest (live) (non album track)
                3. kracked (live) (non album track)
                4. keeblin' (non album track)

moonshake       eva luna (I just bought this one,       $10 (atl 92274)
                  listened to it a couple of timez...
                  it was *15.99* at tower!!)

morrissey       king lear (live at hammersmith 10/91)   $20 (boot)

morrissey       wembley arena 7.20.91                   $20 (boot)

ride            leave them all behind (ep)              $3 (wb 40332)

ride            going blank again (promo picture-disc)  $25 (26836-2 dj)

spirea x        speed reaction ep                       $5 (bad 1006 cd)

wedding present george best + 9 (us/can. release)       $11 (7771300022)


shipping included, all the discs are very playable and all of them have no
scratches or marks, etc. (except belltower - a few streaks)
if you want one, send me a message. . .
I may be willing to negotiate prices on some of 'em. . .




                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:14:18 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Tsunami, Slack, whatever


All this talk about the new 4AD signing has got me very curious.  Has Slack
released anything or played out yet, affording a chance for any other
4AD-Lers to hear them?  And did I read correctly that the line up is Jenny
Toomey, Warren Defever, and Trey Many?  Very interesting...

As for the debate over which of Tsunami's two albums is the better one, I've
never heard "The Heart's Tremolo".  "Deep End" bored me so thoroughly, that
when I heard that the newer one wasn't as good (that was the general
consensus of the reviews I read), I ran away.  But I must say "Slugger" is a
hell of a song, and easily their shining moment (IMHO, of course).

Jeremy Orr


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 16:33:32 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Tsunami, Slack, whatever


> All this talk about the new 4AD signing has got me very curious.  Has Slack
> released anything or played out yet, affording a chance for any other
> 4AD-Lers to hear them?  And did I read correctly that the line up is Jenny
> Toomey, Warren Defever, and Trey Many?  Very interesting...

  i think slack have been around for a li'l while, but i'm not sure. also,
  i am not certain that warren & trey are in on this. i know that they
  have worked with jenny & some other guy, though. this *may* be what will
  come out on 4AD as Slack. but prior to going 4AD, the two hnia-ers were
  not involved. jenny toomey is sort of a boring musician, though i have
  mucho respect for her & simple machines. but i only like her songs in
  small doses, which is why i love grenadine so. mark's jangle does a lot
  for her, and she doesn't sing all the songs. however, if she lets warren
  fiddle with her voice, things would be a lot better...


  *k-j* ... anyone wanna give me a 4-track for xmas? :) ...


Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:08:06 -0500
From: Alexander Jeremy Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: 12"


I was just in Japan, looking for 12" singles Japan compilation, but lack
of language made it difficult.  Is it still available?  Would someone in
Japan be able to pick it up for me.  I'd be happy to swap for large
quantities of stuff.

Thanks.

This goes for anyone in the US who has a copy.

Alternatively, do CDconnection or those type carry it?

Alex

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:52:20 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: review request


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

today, i saw what i guess is a fairly new in the nursery cd. anatomy of
a poet. did this come out after the ambush of ghosts sdtk? has anyone
heard it? it looks like it's got some of that narration stuff that
drives me nuts.
also i saw a cd by collection d'arnell...the title had something to do
with "1814." any comments? i haven't heard one of their albums in a
while, but they seemed interesting.


-bruce


Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:21:11 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: 4AD and Corporate Whoredom


Jeremy Orr  writes:

> And then, they started in on the "two releases (with different b-sides) for
> one single" trick, and that was it.  That practice should be outlawed
> (somehow) immediately!  And any "artist" who allows themselves to be used in
> such fashion (supposedly for higher chart showings, they say) should at least
> disown it loudly in the press!

I kinda like the 2 ep thingies, actually. It might be a scummy thing
to do, but 4AD does it with some style, at least. The Firepiles did
feature 6 new tracks (3 covers, 1 new version of song, 2 new songs);
the Headaches did have 6 brand new tracks, and the Lush eps were just
too sexy.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen