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Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 08:49:31 +0100
From: Yves Lafon ([email protected])
Subject:
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL ([email protected])
Subject: lifeforms (a defense)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 01:10:57 -0800
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 'Head To Toe' tracks?
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:27:01 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 05:32:48 -0800
From: shabanashi ([email protected])
Subject: random musings
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 05:49:41 -0800
From: Jason Schmit ([email protected])
Subject: Pentamerous Metamorphosis/An Answer
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 06:29:10 -0500
From: Jan Hanford ([email protected])
Subject: CD.NOW
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 06:35:13 -0500
From: Jan Hanford ([email protected])
Subject: DC's sex & death
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:29:48 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN ([email protected])
Subject: Earwig, pre-Insides, $4
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:46:28 -0600
From: [email protected]
Subject: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:47:38 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DC's sex & death
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:35:23 CST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Yes, this is crap, but I can't find my FAQ
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:38:26 -0500
From: Jason Eugene Heindl (JEHEINDL%[email protected])
Subject: Generation T
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:24:00 -0500
From: Nils ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:03:53 -0500
From: Todd Sanders ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 00:42:06 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:23:49 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:25:19 -0800
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Jenny Toomey/Slack
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:21:32 -0800
From: shane ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4 Calender Cafe
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 14:31:01 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Jenny Toomey/Slack
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:56:42 EST
From: "John M. Renfroe 823-5045" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningw...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:48:49 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr ([email protected])
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:27:13 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningw...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:40:42 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningw...
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:35:02 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" ([email protected])

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...

todd sanders wrote

>Where is the DEAD CAN DANCE song THE ENDLESS LONGING OF SEA DOVES
>found on..
>what i would like to know is what is this song? anyone know
>anything.
>i have nearly everything of theirs but i have not heard of this.

>anyone know anything.  watts?

>todd sanders

It's 7:00 AM (roundish) here in Johannesburg and my grey cells are
still in slumberland but if i remember well, this particular track is
on the Hidden Treasures bootleg..the last track on the disc methinks
(Mr. Wkabayashi could confirm this before i go home tonight and check
my disc out).

It is definitely not on any of their official releases unless theres
a bloody ltd edition Serpent's Egg picture disc out there with
unreleased stuff...hey, one can drem right.

hope this helps, and since i haven't gone through all my mail yet (78
pieces this morn) i hope i haven't wasted everybody's time by
responding to a query that may very well have been responded to.

top o' the morning to yer all
wattso
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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 08:49:31 +0100
From: Yves Lafon ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...

'The Endless Longing of Sea Doves' is the 16th track of 'The Hidden
Treasures' and... it's not DCD's best song ;)

   MC&HNY

        --Yves
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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 02:00:00 LCL
From: HEMENT GOPAL ([email protected]) re : DCD ....seadoves I think it's hauntingly beautiful (although a bit lengthy)....not exactly midday listening but play it late at night with the room lights switched off and WOW! wattso __________________________________________________ ! ! ! All those moments will be lost ! ! ...in time ! ! ...like tears ! ! ...in rain. ! ! Time...to die! ! ! ! ! ROY BATTY ! !________________________________________________!

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 01:10:57 -0800
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: lifeforms (a defense)

...and some other stuff.

The first thing I have to say is where are all you people who are the
reason I bought Lifeforms (and by that I mean the _real_ Lifeforms) in
the first place? Six months ago, that album was the most praised record I
had ever seen on this list. Now no one will come to its defense?

Not that I really want to "defend" it, since it's perfectly
understandable that someone would dislike the music, but some of what's
been said here lately teeters at the edge of blasphemy! If you say that
Lifeforms is too freeform, you aren't paying close enough attention. The
album is in fact made up of coherent and well-structured songs, and I
think what turns people off, or convinces them that this record is
nothing but a big long Enophilic circle jerk with "sounds of nature"
sampled over, is the ambience and noise between the songs. I'll admit
that for about a week I kept Lifeforms on as "background noise" without
much regard for what was going on in it. It's one of those things you
have to introduce yourself to and become familiar with before you can get
the full experience. Not that I expect everyone to listen to every boring
album 20 times before passing judgement, but trust me, in this case it
pays off.

The second thing that makes this album seemlike ambient puffs is the
bleakness of its backgrounds, the smallness of its melodies. Elements of
a given song will often drop out of the mix and leave you with only a
very small thread by which to follow the song. Relax; it'll come back.
It's nice oppportunity to draw in on some of the little things happening
in the background. Another major problem is that often you've got little
tiny melodies jumping around at each other--VERY short blips of tune that
don't seem to fit together in any meaningful way until they happen to
overlap, then in comes something that unifies them and gives legitimacy
to their association. Finally, and I think this is the most intriguing
thing about Lifeforms--in fact, it is absolutely groundbreaking--the way
a chord or chord progression will change into something different,
disturbing the melodic elements in the process, without leaving so much
as a fingerprint. The song gets flipped over on its back, and you're
sitting (or preferably lying) there, thinking "what the hell happened?",
or, as the case may be, just vaguely aware that the mood has changed.
This "stealth counterpoint" comes about because of subtle changes in the
ambient background junk or even just its placement. I find the Global
Communication references interesting because they are themselves becoming
masters of this technique lately. I don't like analysing music into the
ground, but there is more going on, *musically*, in Lifeforms than in any
album I can think to name. It's always possible that the music isn't up
your alley, but I swear to God the music is THERE. It's intense and thick
and comes at you from all directions. You've just got to have your 3D
glasses on. :)

Where Global Communication are concerned, I'll agree it's the next best
thing; the best electronic record this year except for Lifeforms and
SAW2. To whoever it is that has Maiden Voyage and complained about it,
could you be a little more specific? I have these ordered and was kind of
looking forward to them.

Lastly, is ISDN all new material or what?


 einexile and his pony pal vilexile


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:27:01 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 'Head To Toe' tracks?

              94 02:05:58 pm

Daniel Wilson  wrote:
>
> I probably missed them before I joined, but could someone send the
> track list from 'Head To Toe'.  Thanks. Have a good chrissy all.

"Head to Toe" (Jo Wiggs), "Shocker in Gloomtown" (Guided by Voices),
"Freed Pig" (Lou Barlow/Sebadoh), "Saints" (Kim Deal).
I think "Saints" was only on the UK 10" vinyl, but it has been released
elsewhere as a single in its own right (and is on the AVAM
compilation).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
[email protected]                      |

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 05:32:48 -0800
From: shabanashi ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...

              GOPAL" at Dec 19, 94 02:00:00 am

HEMENT GOPAL said:
>
> todd sanders wrote
>
> >Where is the DEAD CAN DANCE song THE ENDLESS LONGING OF SEA DOVES
> >found on..
> >what i would like to know is what is this song? anyone know
> >anything.
> >i have nearly everything of theirs but i have not heard of this.
>
> >anyone know anything.  watts?
>
> >todd sanders
>
> It's 7:00 AM (roundish) here in Johannesburg and my grey cells are
> still in slumberland but if i remember well, this particular track is
> on the Hidden Treasures bootleg..the last track on the disc methinks
> (Mr. Wkabayashi could confirm this before i go home tonight and check
> my disc out).

(I do believe I'm being paged.)

Yes, Monsieur watts, you're correct, the track is on the Hidden Treasures
bootleg, but I believe that perhaps Todd was asking about the song in
reference to that recording as that's probably the only place you're
gonna find that title.  I'm still not convinced that it's a DCD track
at all, it's rather atypical, string synth with (I'm guessing
mechanically rendered) squealing on top, and it really only gets
interesting about 13:50 into it with the addition of another
keyboard making these animalistic growling noises.  Then there's the
bloke at the end saying something undecipherable, and of course,
the conversation going on between the bootlegger and someone else...


Ed
--
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Sleep Lab, x4227                          disbelief until         ((^))
[email protected]      further notice.        0}._.{0
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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 05:49:41 -0800
From: Jason Schmit ([email protected])
Subject: random musings

OK, OK - can we just be satisfied with calling it "shoegazing" or "dreampop"?
(or whatever other descriptive term that suits your fancy)

There is far too much comparison to bands sounding like Cocteau Twins or MBV.
If you listen closely, each band has carved it's own unique niche.  Slowdive
does not sound like FSA which doesn't sound like Chapterhouse which doesn't
sound like The Boo Radleys...

Many a music critic can take the easy way out and just say a particular band
sounds like The Beatles (arguably the most well-known "mainstream" group)
crossed with the Velvet Underground (recognized and influential "alternative"
act).  Everything sounds like The Beatles meet VU if you think about it
considering how far both of those bands were experimental and innovative in
their day.  The term "dreampop" is descriptive of many genres including
everything from the twee pop of The Field Mice to the otherworldliness of
Seefeel.  Categorizing music beyond using a few descriptive adjectives is
meaningless and misleading to a prospective listener.  One person's "ambient
dub" is "muzak" to another.  Everyone has a right to voice their opinion but
that doesn't make all opinions equal since some individuals are more informed
than others and therefore have opinions which are backed by some amount of
knowledge pertaining to the subject being discussed rather than a "knee-jerk"
reaction which anyone can formulate "off the cuff".  I'm not trying to
over-intellectualize here but rather explain it in terms that I trust everyone
understands.  Your feedback is encouraged...

Jason
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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 06:29:10 -0500
From: Jan Hanford ([email protected])
Subject: Pentamerous Metamorphosis/An Answer

        Lawren Wu asked:

        RE: Global Communications/Reload "Pentamerous Metamorphosis"

        So.  Does anyone have any idea where I can get a copy of this CD?
Seems that it
        was a limited release of some sort, and my usual "go-to" place
doesn't have any
        more copies of it.

        Thanks.

I recently saw it available from CD.NOW  You can telnet there or there's
also a web site (Yahoo has is on commericla music listings).    It was
included in the package of Chapterhouse's "Blood Music" for a while.  But
that might be hard to find.

It's a great CD.  I hope you find it.

Jan

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 06:35:13 -0500
From: Jan Hanford ([email protected])
Subject: CD.NOW

I apologise.  CD.NOW is supposed to be CDNOW.COM.  Sorry.

Jan


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:29:48 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN ([email protected])
Subject: DC's sex & death

-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

maybe i missed it, but has anyone posted a review of sex & death? what
does it sound like?

-bruce

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:46:28 -0600
From: [email protected]
Subject: Earwig, pre-Insides, $4

Found an earlier Earwig CD for only $4 in the used bin.
"Past" has a horrible cover and these songs:

both of us screaming
her stupid face
it's the waiting i can't stand
driving you mad, slowly
everything's just fine
sour song
you don't even come close
your friends
out of my hands, over my head
slit
i don't shop at blockbuster

I like it better than "Under My Skin..."

Same group members as "Under My Skin..."

Just thought you other Earwiggies would want to know.

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
[email protected]
"the universe is female, eluding the signs of man"
-------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:47:38 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO

I had the opportunity to interview Lisa for a yet to be published article (any
takers?)  She is probably the nicest, most down to earth person i have talked
to in ages, if that is what being a geek is about, count me in.
Plus, of course, i would rate Geek the Girl to  be one of the year's best,

a favorite line...i like rock and roll music, i'd like it more if i danced,
yeah--sure.

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:35:23 CST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DC's sex & death

> maybe i missed it, but has anyone posted a review of sex & death? what
> does it sound like?

pardon my poor sleep deprived mind. who is DC?

Duritti Column
Dilithium Crystals
Dead Cennedys :-)
Daisy Chainsaw
Dalis Car
Dance Chapter

Dead Can

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:38:26 -0500
From: Jason Eugene Heindl (JEHEINDL%[email protected])
Subject: Yes, this is crap, but I can't find my FAQ

So, could someone please, pretty please, post the site address
for the eyesore database?

And while I'm at it I might mention that those of you who like the MBV
sound (isn't that all of us?) might want to check out the new album
from Ann Arbor's Viola Peacock, _This Way To The Alley Where They Eat Your
Heart_, on Bedazzled Records.  Very well done; sort of an indie MBV.

So as not to clutter up the list with responses, you can mail me directly
at [email protected]

thanks in advance

jason eugene


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:43:28 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever

  hmmm.


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:24:00 -0500
From: Nils ([email protected])
Subject: Generation T


This just in--Jennie Toomey has a side project called Slack that just got
signed to 4AD.  That's four turnoffs in one sentence.

Nils


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:03:53 -0500
From: Todd Sanders ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD: Longing Sea Doves...

thanks to all about my query concerning this song.

i do have it on a bootleg of mine which is the same listing as the hidden
treasures one. mine however says that it is by popul vuh, the wacky german
experimental band. i had thought they opened for dcd at one time

thanks
todd

ps. i knew i could count on you watts, sorry i lost touch with you (i used to
be [email protected] if you remember watts)

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 00:42:06 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever

Who is Jennie Toomey?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  [email protected] * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:23:49 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever

On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Lars showed us how unindie he *really* is:

> Who is Jennie Toomey?

  jenny toomey is in tsunami & grenadine {and others?} and runs {partly}
  the label known as Simple Machines. i do believe, * but don't quote me
  on it! *, that warren defever & trey many are part of Slack. i had heard
  about the two working w/jenny and "some other indie rock guy" but it
  was undecided at that point where the group was headed. so again,
  this may very well be another incestuous signing to the 4AD label, but
  a kool one...

  *k* ...handbells are underrated...

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:25:19 -0800
From: vilexile ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningwhatever

On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   hmmm.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> This just in--Jennie Toomey has a side project called Slack that just got

Who?




 einexile no vilexile

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:21:32 -0800
From: shane ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Jenny Toomey/Slack

Jenny Toomey is 1/4 of the band TSUNAMI, 1/3 of the band GENADINE,
1/4 of the band My NEW BOYFRIEND, 1/4 of the band GEEK, and 1/4 of
the band SLACK. She's also 1/2 of Simple Machines Records.

Anyway, I haven't heard the news re: Slack signing to 4AD, it would
be cool. Strange, but cool...Slack isn't exactly "4AD-sounding."

By the way, you can get material from
GEEK (Simple Machines Tool Set Cassette #1: Hammer)
SLACK (Simple Machines Tool Set Cassette #2: Bates Stamper) and
MY NEW BOYFRIEND (Simple Machines Tool Set Cassette #7: Super Saw)
Other cassettes include The Hated, Saturnine, The Mommyheads, and
Dave Grohl's (Nirvana) Late

Their cataloge says each tape is $4 ppd but you can create your own
personal 3-tool set for $10 (in Canada it's $5 each, set of 3 for
$11, In Europe it's $6 each, set of 3 for $12) (US DOLLARS).  You can
also get Tsunami, Grenadine, other bands, etc. from them by sending a
stamp for a catalog.

They're mailing address is:
Simple Machines; P.O. Box 10290; Arlington, VA 22210-1290 USA

My FAQ sheet said it was okay to do this, so if it isn't anymore, I'm
sorry.

[email protected]


Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 14:31:01 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4 Calender Cafe

Well, I rate albums on how much I enjoy them, and FCC is one the most
pleasing.


Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 19:56:42 EST
From: "John M. Renfroe 823-5045" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Jenny Toomey/Slack

Jenny Toomey is 1/4 of the band TSUNAMI, 1/3 of the band GENADINE,
1/4 of the band My NEW BOYFRIEND, 1/4 of the band GEEK, and 1/4 of
the band SLACK. She's also 1/2 of Simple Machines Records.

Anyway, I haven't heard the news re: Slack signing to 4AD, it would
be cool. Strange, but cool...Slack isn't exactly "4AD-sounding."

        Right, I don't know any news of Slack even getting together, but I
had heard Jenny Toomey was releasing a solo album on 4ad. A little hazier
than that, Warren may be producing the album.  Hey, maybe they hit it off
while recording Nopalitos.
We'll see...

matt
[email protected]

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:48:49 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningw...

Jennie (is that the correct spelling?) Toomey is one of the two women that
front Tsunami and run Simple Machines.

There ya go.

Jeremy Orr



Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:27:13 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO'S PSYCHO

Yeah, she is great.  I saw her do an instore for about 15 people at Go! discs
here in Arlington, VA, and it was terrific.  Really intimate and intense.
 Incidentally, when I was in Boston recently, I found an old LG disc that I
had never seen before.  It's called "On the Way down from the Moon Palace,"
and it;s from 93 (pre 4Ad days) on Egg Records out of Indianapolis.
 Apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but it was new to me.  You can e-mail
me or whatever if you want the label address or anyting.  [email protected]

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:40:42 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningw...

I'm confused, somebody please help me.  Did Jenny Toomey's project Slack just
get signed to 4ad?  Complete sentences only, please.

[email protected]

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:35:02 -0500
From: "(David Gionfriddo)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: sideproject4adnewsigningw...

Co-leader of the rock band Tsunami (Arlington, VA), co-supremo of Simple
Machines records (Arlington, VA) and minor deity on the Mount Olympus of
loverock (Arlington, VA).  Oh yeah, and fashion plate extraordinaire.

[email protected] (Dave Gionfriddo)