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Subject: dcd glithes - damn you all to hell !!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:01:45 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: 4 Calender Cafe
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:39:17 -0500
From: Ryan L (RyanSpiral@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:24:29 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:51:24 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:02:25 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:27:26 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:54:06 -0600
From: Kenneth R Brownfield (brownfld@MRCNEXT.CSO.UIUC.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:29:36 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: brendan perry on rare on air
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:38:28 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:41:16 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: normal human behaviour
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:58:33 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: closedown
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:50:15 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:08:44 GMT
From: Anthony John Bailey (baileya@CS.MAN.AC.UK)
Subject: Projekt
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:10:03 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: BakTabak
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:24:36 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Four Calendar Cafe
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:25:15 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: BakTabak
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:31:03 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman (patrick@STACK.URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: Re: BakTabak
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:42:29 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:52:45 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:54:21 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?
Date: 12/16/94 7:54 AM
From: mj_polder@CCMAIL.PNL.GOV
Subject: fsol-isdn
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:45:26 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: Ecstacy of St. Theresa
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:05:38 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:12:05 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: fsol-isdn
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:24:07 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:32:28 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: EOST & Springhouse
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:04:04 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: brendan perry on rare on air
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:04:16 -0500
From: Todd Sanders (TS61822@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:09:12 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: fsol-isdn
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:38:24 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:48:14 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:39:22 EST
From: Mike Mario (mario@thepub.whats.att.com)
Subject: Grenadine: Nopalitos vs. Goya
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:08:25 -0800
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: HNIA
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:35:25 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: 4AD and Corporate Whoredom
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:39:07 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Did someone say Springhouse?
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:01:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:59:35 -0800
From: Christopher Winfield (winfield@MATH.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Grenadine: Nopalitos vs. Goya
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:04:37 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD and Corporate Whoredom
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:31:29 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: top 94 songs of 1994
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 20:10:00 -0500
From: Henrique Fernandes (henrique.fernandes@canrem.com)
Subject: 'Head To Toe' tracks?
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:05:58 +1100
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:01:45 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: dcd glithes - damn you all to hell !!!


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

i just want to take a moment out of my busy schedule to thank all of
you for pointing out the audio dropouts in the dcd cd. i had not
previously noticed the problem. now, every time i listen to the album i
will be certain to hear the errors until i quite possibly go mad and am
forced to take my own life in a most gruesome manner.

-bruce

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:39:17 -0500
From: Ryan L (RyanSpiral@AOL.COM)
Subject: 4 Calender Cafe


I couldn't help but offer my views on 4 Calender Cafe; here it goes:

There seems to be two major camps on this thread re: 4CC.  One is that the
Cocteaus have taken a new, but nice, direction, while the other camp holds
that 4CC is watered down material in their older vein (not a new direction).
 Although I feel what the second camp has to say is more accurate, they state
it a bit too strongly.

4CC follows in a style the evolved beginning from Blue Bell Knoll, which is a
major turning point in the bands sound.  For those of us who were listening
to them then, you can remember that the releases which immediately preceeded
it were the Love's Easy Tears EP, The Moon and the Melodies, and the song
Crushed, all of which are very ethereal in the way that the drums and guitars
are processed.  Then Blue Bell Knoll is finally released after at least two
years, and it was shocking.  The BIG drums and guitars are gone, replaced by
crisp clean drums and lots of acoustic guitar and smaller, yet quite nice,
electric guitar sounds (with the possible exception of Cico Buff).  The
result of this first post-ethereal era Cocteau sound is fresh and powerful!
 The next release, Heaven or Las Vegas, follows in this style, but bringing
back some of the BlueBN's lost etherealness (for example, check out the
guitars on H or LV's first and last songs, some intense shit!).

Four Calender Cafe follows still in this post-ethereal style that began on
BBN.  Unfortunately for the Cocteaus, 4CC doesn't have as much new things to
say as the former two.  It's still a good album, much better than most people
making music; its just not as good as what the Cocteaus usually accomplish
and thus a bit disappointing for some.  For the first time in their career,
they haven't significantly changed their sound for 3  albums, and this has
backfired a bit for them.

The future for the Cocteaus holds more promise.  Robin is into Seefeel and
the like, and he has stated that he intends to change the band's sound
drastically, once again, as he rightly should (and has always seem to
continually do in the past).  It should be very interesting to see what he's
going to do next (as it always is)!  As far as I know now, he was or still is
in France working on new material (using, amongst many many other things, an
old rare analog drum machine that one of my  friends gave to him fairly
recently).  I can't wait to here it!


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:24:29 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk


Huge Bark Psychosis fan right here (--->) :-D
..but people should know that by now..

You have me intrigued about Talk Talk. I've heard that Catherine Wheel (who
are just okay, but nothing terribly special, IMHO) cite them as a huge
influence, and I know Tim produced 'Ferment". His production was very subtle,
full of audiofiligree (yes, I made that word up...... Fine then, don't use
it! :-b) and far more textured than their rockin' "Chrome" album. Does that,
coupled with BP comparisons, mean that Talk Talk was creating intricate sound
tapestries as well? Does anyone have a recommendation of where to start with
TT? I'd appreciate any leads or suggestions.
Just thought you might be interested, BP cite Sonic Youth and Swans as their
influences/mentors. They claim to be radical and rebellious in using tense
silence in place of Gira and Ranaldo/Moore's feedback and distortion. They
consider their music "hardcore in the truest sense of the word", like early
S.Y. and others from the NYnoiseaholic scene. I find that a wee bit
pretentious, but I still love 'em. Great freakin' band!

send hate mail about BP (or the Boo Radleys) to:
BisonBoy@AOL.com

I'm in the mood for a good argument...

ep. It's 3 tracks - one new song and two radical remixes. There is a LOT more
noise on this CD, enough to sometimes be overwhelming. Oh' those cantankerous
Brit Hardcore bands! Strangely enough, the "title" track "hex" is only on
this ep. But then again, this is INDIE ROCK, right? Yes, you know who you
are, and that IS directed at you!

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:51:24 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander


Okay, I'm beginning to appreciate 4CC. Not their best, but not their worst.
It's more interesting than the undeveloped sound of "Garlands". The Cocteau
Twins did not make a terribly exciting goth band.
Now this thing about new Guthrie material is intriguing. Anyone else agree
that Cocteaux+Seefeel=PERFECTION?

Does anyone know how to reach Silent Records? Someone actually signed
Closedown (them).{ I'm sure that broke your heart, Brant. Well, you got
Orange, and they're pretty durn special in their own right.} Anyhows, they
have a CD, "nearfield", or something like that, and I'd love to purchase it.
Never heard of Silent, though. Is that the same Silent that sometimes
co-releases with Staalplaat(sp?)?

Any help would be appreciated.
BisonBoy
 *who loves "what's-her-bucket"s voice*
(I'm really into in-jokes today, aren't I?)


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:02:25 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches


On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   down the toilet or make him eat prok rinds or something...


man, i *hate* prok rinds!

maura


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:27:26 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches


> >   down the toilet or make him eat prok rinds or something...
>
> man, i *hate* prok rinds!

  any spelling errors occurring from *my* twee li'l cyberend are the
  evil doings of a microscopic computer gremlin, who i am quite
  certain is in cahoots with the li'l trolls that misplace my keys
  and sunglasses while i sleep at night. so i take no responsibility
  for my online typos..it's HIS fault! :)

  *k* ...i may just make you all suffer with my 4CC
      ramblings if you're not good...

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:54:06 -0600
From: Kenneth R Brownfield (brownfld@MRCNEXT.CSO.UIUC.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches

              at Dec 15, 94 10:27:26 pm

My CD has the problem as well.  This may have been tape dropouts on
the master, in which case it would show up on all incarnations of the
TTW recordings.  It does sound like analog dropouts, not any sort of
digital quirk.

* kelli-jeanne * said:
|> >   down the toilet or make him eat prok rinds or something...
|> man, i *hate* prok rinds!
|  any spelling errors occurring from *my* twee li'l cyberend are the
|  evil doings of a microscopic computer gremlin, who i am quite
|  certain is in cahoots with the li'l trolls that misplace my keys
|  and sunglasses while i sleep at night. so i take no responsibility
|  for my online typos..it's HIS fault! :)
|  *k* ...i may just make you all suffer with my 4CC
|      ramblings if you're not good...

I shudder to imagine the behaviour of kelli-jeanne or Maura after
listening to the B-52s... Does Black Tape for a Blue Girl merely
mellow you kids back to a semblance of human sanity?  :-)  *grin*

Prok, the other white meat.
--
                                                        Ken.
(217) 352-5679                                   brownfld@uiuc.edu


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:29:36 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches


There are more glitches if you're looking out for them.  They're not
 really that surprising to me.  It sounds to me like it was recorded
 through the sound board, instead of having two recording mikes in
 the middle of the venue...was anyone here actually at that performance?
 If the venue was designed with live sound recording in mind (like a
 classical concert hall) the wiring would be built in and there wouldn't
 be as many problems, but it doesn't seem like that was the case, so
 the glitches could possibly have occurred at the performance, not at
 the mixing.  In either case, it's not a defective cd, but just a little
 error in the master.  I'd prefer the "flawed" version to one with silly
 overdubs and such.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:38:28 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: brendan perry on rare on air


On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Todd Sanders wrote:

> hi i am thinking of buying the rare on air comp, but seeing as how i olny
> want the brendan perry track i was wondering if his song 'captive heart' is
> just a renaming of american dreaming or i can see now from towards the
> within?

"The Captive Heart" is not on Towards the Within.  However, it is only about
 three minutes of the cd, and i'm not rich enough to be able to pay $15 for
 one song.  Fortunately there are other songs on the cd which i enjoy.
 Also consider that "the captive heart" may probably be on brendan's
 forthcoming solo album.  Rare On Air is a nice record though.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:41:16 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (KAGIN%KAGIN.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!


I believe Anelli was 17 when White Out Conditions was recorded.  If not,
 then she was certainly 19.

Also, wasn't Bel Canto the "official musical group" of the 1994 winter
 olympics?  Or was that only before their label folded?  I sure didn't
 hear any of their music before the hockey games on tv.

kagin
kagin@tyrell.net

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:58:33 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: normal human behaviour


> I shudder to imagine the behaviour of kelli-jeanne or Maura after
> listening to the B-52s... Does Black Tape for a Blue Girl merely
> mellow you kids back to a semblance of human sanity?  :-)  *grin*

  puh..the b-52s...the most annoying group on the planet. well, almost.
  they remind me of juniour high...ick. i don't know why, but they do.
  be not mislead, dear listie..i'm always mellow. you just don't see
  that on a computer screen...or do you? 8(

> Prok, the other white meat.

  Tofu, something else entirely.

  *k*

  vyv - yeah. first we're going to have sex with the Headless Corpse
        and the Virgin Astronaut...
  rik - ugh. won't the carpet get awfully sticky?
  vyv - it's a VIDEO NASTY!!!
  rik - it's a carpet, farty!!!


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 00:50:15 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: closedown


after seeing them tonight i've got to say that closedown
is the best ether-bliss band on the planet after slowdive.
their CD 'nearfield' is available from silent records in san francisco,
as others have posted recently. here's the address:
Silent Records
101 Townshend St. Suite 206
San Francisco, CA 94107

the cd is good, but rather different (less energized with noise)
from their live shows, which is where they shine like almost nothing else.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 |  you can't chop down symmetry
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     |
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:08:44 GMT
From: Anthony John Bailey (baileya@CS.MAN.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk

              digest processor on Thu, 15 Dec 1994 00:01:14 -0500)

Jason Schmidt asked:
> Any other fans of Bark Psychosis and/or late-period Talk Talk out there?

Tim Conlon replied:
>   I agree with Jason.  The Spirit of Eden album is great.  It caught
> most people, who remember Talk Talk as "It's My Life", by surprise and
> turned most of them off.

And, although it's mostly a content-free me too post, I have concur:
Talk Talk's later stuff is quite incredible, and I certainly agree that
they share a mood with Bark Psychosis, although I hadn't noticed any
more obvious similarities. The last Talk Talk album, "Laughing Stock",
is *as good as* "Spirit Of Eden", which is saying something. (I also
quite like the preceding album, "The Colour Of Spring", where they're
just beginning to go a bit weird. The conversion of Talk Talk from
teeny pop idols to ambient adventurers is one of the strangest musical
developments I've ever witnessed.)

Not that I have anything against teeny pop idols, by the way.

There's an amazing story about the recording of "Spirit Of Eden". Tim
Friese-Greene had written some string lines for some of the songs and
he hired a many piece string orchestra to work on the album. They spent
a good few days in the recording studio, but in the end they kept about
two seconds of the recording, which was a mistake that one of the
cellists made! I don't think they were being deliberately petty or
wanna-be outrageous either; you can really *hear* the silences on this
album where the decisions were made to leave out the string parts, and
it really works.

What do people think of `O'rang, the Talk Talk spin-off band? I thought
they were a little too obvious in the world music noises, but there were
still some very strong tracks on the album.

        Anthony.


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 01:10:03 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Projekt


What bands are on Projekt?  Is there a www site for them?

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:24:36 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: BakTabak


Does anyone in England have these people's phone number?
BakTaBAK
Network House
29-39 Stirling Road
London W3 8DJ

Also, what are the full names of the members of FSOL?  What bands and
albums are out on Projekt?

Thanks!

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:25:15 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Four Calendar Cafe


The other thing I forgot to mention is that the CT have been so successful
that other bands have copied their direction and now they seem plainer
and less original then they first did.  The Beatles though went from a
well produced studio pop sound to avant-garde souinding, but the CT seem
to have ,moved in the other direction, starting out untamed and moving
toward a refined sound.

Any way, FCC is a fine album, now if only regular radio stations would play
them,  ANy idea when the next album is due out?  Should be in '95 right?

Ciao!

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:31:03 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman (patrick@STACK.URC.TUE.NL)
Subject: Re: BakTabak

              Cheselka" at Dec 15, 94 01:24:36 am

> Does anyone in England have these people's phone number?
> BakTaBAK
> Network House
> 29-39 Stirling Road
> London W3 8DJ
>
> Thanks!
>
What is 'BakTabak'?
All I know that it must be something funny since 'bak tabak' is dutch
and means something like 'bag of shag' (to keep the alliteration in).

Anyone?

---PAtrick---
patrick@stack.urc.tue.nl

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:42:29 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: BakTabak

              16, 94 03:31:03 pm

Patrick Asselman  wrote:
> What is 'BakTabak'?
> All I know that it must be something funny since 'bak tabak' is dutch
> and means something like 'bag of shag' (to keep the alliteration in).

It's the name of a record company who specialise in interview discs,
which usually have a large colour picture of the band on the front, and
tiny writing on the back which says "this disc contains no music and is
not an official [band name] release".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:52:45 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?

              09 Dec 94 20:00:03 EST." <199412100100.UAA20919@ni.umd.edu>

> wow.  i'm listening to a cd by a band called Tone called 'Build' that the
> radio station i dj at received.  well, it's quite fantastic - lots of
> guitars, just instrumental.  someone told me that 'someone from unrest' is in
> this band.  does anyone know anything about Tone?
> tony

Well, I'm finally getting around to reading mail and thought I should
speak up regarding TONE.  They are from DC and are quite unusual.
They've been "together" for a couple years with a rather mobil line-up.
The last time I saw them there were 2 bass platers, 6 guitar players and
a drummer (Phil from Unrest).  Their motto is ...
        "We don't rock, we wobble"



steve


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:54:21 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?


In <9412161454.AA12945@harper.cc.il.us>, Steve Willett wrote:
> > wow.  i'm listening to a cd by a band called Tone called 'Build' that the
> > radio station i dj at received.  well, it's quite fantastic - lots of
> > guitars, just instrumental.  someone told me that 'someone from unrest' is i

> > this band.  does anyone know anything about Tone?
> > tony
>
> Well, I'm finally getting around to reading mail and thought I should
> speak up regarding TONE.  They are from DC and are quite unusual.
> Their motto is ...     "We don't rock, we wobble"

Sounds familiar...anyone remember the Bubblemen?
-shill


--
[][]  [][] Steve Hill                     Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[]  []  [] Network Specialist             Voice:708-925-6273
           William Rainey Harper College    Fax:708-925-6030
[]  []  [] 1200 West Algonquin Road        Page:708-962-0430
[][]  [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398   Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 08:36:00 -0800
From: mj_polder@CCMAIL.PNL.GOV
Subject: Re[2]: does anyone know anything about TONE?


     The Bubblemen were quite extraordinary. I have their E.P. and saw them
     in concert. Good stuff.

     matthew


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: does anyone know anything about TONE?

Date: 12/16/94 7:54 AM In <9412161454.AA12945@harper.cc.il.us>, Steve Willett wrote: > > wow. i'm listening to a cd by a band called Tone called 'Build' that the > > radio station i dj at received. well, it's quite fantastic - lots of > > guitars, just instrumental. someone told me that 'someone from unrest' is in > > this band. does anyone know anything about Tone? > > tony > > Well, I'm finally getting around to reading mail and thought I should > speak up regarding TONE. They are from DC and are quite unusual. > Their motto is ... "We don't rock, we wobble" Sounds familiar...anyone remember the Bubblemen? -shill -- [][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us [] [] [] Network Specialist Voice:708-925-6273 William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030 [] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430 [][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:45:26 EST
From: MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN (ANKX77A@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: fsol-isdn


-- [ From: Norman Levenstein * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

could anyone who has heard the new fsol cd please comment on it. i'd
like to try and figure out if i should get it quickly since it's being
deleted a week after release. i liked lifeforms.

-bruce


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:05:38 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (BisonBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Ecstacy of St. Theresa


What's this about "Sussurate"?
I thought that "Free-D" was their only album?
Actually, I thought that "Fluidtrance Centauri" was their only release - many
people think so. Most mail-order companies do...
I have Free-D on order, and Fluidtrance and Astrala Vista are brilliant.
Anyone who likes their Slowdive-y/MBVist etherblissouts with a dash of
AFX-type dancefloor shine, you can't go wrong with EoST

Any Springhouse and Adorable fans out there?

BisonBoy

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:12:05 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt


>What bands are on Projekt?  Is there a www site for them?

if you e-mail Darkwave2@aol.com w/ catalogue mentioned in the header you should
get an e-mail catalogue of all the Projekt/Darkwave stuff plus some more.
        I recommend Love Spirals Downward, Eden, Love is Colder than Death,
Controlled Bleeding (some).  While others on this list have recommended
Lycia and
Black Tape for a Blue Girl.  If any Area CD's are available you should
snatch them up too.
        If your pocketbook is not bottomless you might want to start with
Across this Grey Land, or another compilation CD (e.g. Heavenly Voices) to
get an idea of what you like.
                      -cz   ... listening to a borrowed Chandeen CD and
wishing he had $ to buy...

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:24:07 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: fsol-isdn

              Dec 16, 94 11:45:26 am

MR NORMAN N LEVENSTEIN  wrote:
> could anyone who has heard the new fsol cd please comment on it. i'd
> like to try and figure out if i should get it quickly since it's being
> deleted a week after release. i liked lifeforms.

If you liked Lifeforms, you'll love ISDN.  It's not as good as the
Lifeforms single, but miles better than the album.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:32:28 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...


Okay, let me get this straight...

This "...*ESP* Summer..." thing is a cassette of music created by Warren
Defever and Ian Masters?  Together?  Wow...  And you have two (or was it
three) copies of it, but you don't know how the rest of us can get it?
 Grrrrrrr...

I'd heard that Masters was to "guest" on the next HNIA release, but this is
something else.  And to make matters worse, even if the two of them did
decide to put it out, something tells me that it wouldn't be 4AD, seeing as
how Ivo "Corporate Whore" Watts-Russell (yes, that's right - I said it!) and
company dropped Spoonhed Hybrid.  Oh well...

Jeremy Orr



Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:04:04 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: EOST & Springhouse


 Bison Boy - you might be disappointed in "Free-D", it is not at all
like Fld. Cent.  In regards to Springhouse...I liked the first
self-titled CD, although the constant environmental theme gets annoying
after too many listens.  The second CD I have't listened to enough to
make an opinion.

Timothy Conlon


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:04:16 -0500
From: Todd Sanders (TS61822@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: brendan perry on rare on air


thanks to kagin for his captive heart comments.

oddly enough i have to pay $20.00 here in pittsburgh at national ripoff mart
for the rare on air comp


todd sanders

no snappy sig line here

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:09:12 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...


On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Jeremy Orr wrote:

> This "...*ESP* Summer..." thing is a cassette of music created by Warren
> Defever and Ian Masters?  Together?  Wow...  And you have two (or was it
> three) copies of it, but you don't know how the rest of us can get it?

  uh...yep.

> I'd heard that Masters was to "guest" on the next HNIA release, but this is
> something else.

  i can't confirm that, but it's likely. ian seems to have spent a rather
  large amount of time w/warren since the summer.
  i'll also throw out a rather old piece of rumour for you - warren has
  sent margaret feidler music to sing over, too...

> And to make matters worse, even if the two of them did
> decide to put it out, something tells me that it wouldn't be 4AD, seeing as
> how Ivo "Corporate Whore" Watts-Russell (yes, that's right - I said it!) and
> company dropped Spoonhed Hybrid.  Oh well...

  you didn't read my alt.music.4ad post, did you? whether you did or not,
  i agree...4ad is a corporate whore, pimped by the major and forever lost
  as an artistically superior label. it's just one big incestuous entity,
  and the "new signings" aren't exactly new...e can point out all of that
  to you folks, though. heaven help sub pop, another warner purchase....


  *k*

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:38:24 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: fsol-isdn


GET IT GET IT GET IT!!!!

Its very good.  I would say much better than the LIFEFORMS album...

There's not as much "going on" in the music (but in my opinion it makes
for a better"album"..)

-eddie

(plus they're limited!)

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:48:14 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...


It isn't exactly that Spoonfed Hybrid were "dropped" per se.  Ian had parted
with Pale Saints without fulfilling his contract.  Ivo offered him 2 options:
1) just leave 4AD altogether, no questions asked; or 2) He could release
something via Guernica as a one-off since his contract was still in effect.
Obviously, Mr. Masters chose to release something on Guernica.  It was under-
stood that there wouldn't be anything after that.  So it's not as if Ivo
hated Spoonfed Hybrid and then dropped them.  (BTW, I get this information
from a 4AD press release I read some time ago).

It is despicable that a corporate behemoth such as Time/Warner has been
placed more or less in a position to dictate the goings on at 4AD hence-
forth.  It's an unpleasant trade off:  Greater accessibility to the

American market, but corporate intervention at every level.  The artistic
offerings inevitably suffer as a result, because they must ultimately
pass muster with the overlord (Time/Warner) -- pre-Warner signings not
included.

Although there isn't much on 4AD now that I *don't* like, K-J is correct
in assuming that it's unlikely that 4AD would venture to sign any more
obscure or experimental artists along the lines of a Master/Defevre col-
laboration, which is a terrible shame.  I would imagin THAT to be the
reason for creating Guernica: a low-budget, low-key "indie" sub-label,
where Ivo or whomever else can indulge those "profit-less whims".

I guess this has all been hashed and rehashed already.....


Mike


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:39:22 EST
From: Mike Mario (mario@thepub.whats.att.com)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


I noticed the dropouts too on my disk.  At first I thought it was my player
but then decided it was the disk.  I listened to them fairly closely and
decided that they were most likely on the original tape not a problem
with the CD pressing.  Once you have a problem like that in the original
tape you can't go back and fix it.

The album was recorded live and there are a host of things that can go wrong.

--mike

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:08:25 -0800
From: shane (shane@TREX.ORG)
Subject: Grenadine: Nopalitos vs. Goya


I hope I'm not regurgitating a dead subject, and I'm sorry if I am...

Has anyone heard the new, Warren Defever-produced Grenadine album, 'Nopalitos'
(which I understand means "prickly pear" or tender, edible cactus).  I am curiou
 as to how
it stacks up against their 'Goya' album?  I've heard the alternate mix of "This 
irl's In Love
With You" that is included on 'Wakefield the TeenBeat Story/Vol.1/1992-1994/teen
eat
141' Compilation, and I'm very intrigued.

Thanks,
shane@trex.org


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:35:25 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: HNIA


Well, I have to disagree with the person who thought "Home Is In Your Head"
was the weakest HNIA album (though I resepct such a view -- God, why do I
feel a need to make that disclaimer?).  I think it's their best.  "Livonia"
was a bit too "lets try to out-TMC TMC!" for my taste and "Mouth By Mouth"
was a bit dull.  "HIIYH" is really interesting and diverse, with something
for everyone.  I particularly like the end of the second side.

I don't know, it just seems as if HNIA found their own voice with that
album, after being plagarists on the first (though good plagarists) and
before mellowing out on the third.  I must say however, that the best,
all-time HNIA release is "The Dirt Eaters ep."  "We Hold the Land in Great
Esteem" is probably my favorite 4AD song of all time.  For us lucky
Americans, we can get both on the same cd.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 18:39:07 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: 4AD and Corporate Whoredom


I posted something earlier today (94-12-16), which the ubiquitous *k-j*
kelli@netcom.com responded to.

> On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Jeremy Orr wrote:
>
>> And to make matters worse, even if the two of them did decide to put
>> it out, something tells me that it wouldn't be 4AD, seeing as how Ivo
>> "Corporate Whore" Watts-Russell (yes, that's right - I said it!) and
>> company dropped Spoonhed Hybrid.  Oh well...
>
> you didn't read my alt.music.4ad post, did you?

Um, no...being relatively new to this Internet thing, I hadn't heard of
alt.music.4ad yet.

> whether you did or not, i agree...4ad is a corporate whore, pimped by
> the major and forever lost as an artistically superior label. it's just one
> big incestuous entity, and the "new signings" aren't exactly new...e
> can point out all of that to you folks, though. heaven help sub pop,
> another warner purchase....

Whew!  Man, is it nice to hear someone else saying that!  I thought maybe I
was alone in that feeling, and was expecting a ton of flames about it.  I
don't really even mind so much that 4AD has a nice distribution deal with
Warner - I just wish they had some quality music to distribute!  Looking over
that list of the year's 4AD releases (for voting purposes), it occurred to me
that there really wasn't anything on there but a string of disappointments,
the biggest of which being the new Pale Saints, which sucks.

(Of course, I still haven't heard the Insides' "Clearskin" or Red House
Painters' "Shock Me" singles - thanks, Warners!  And I should also say that
Kristin Hersh's "Hips and Makers" is the sole exception to the "string" (heh
heh); I wasn't expecting it to be that great (seeing as how each Throwing
Muses album has been progressively worse since "House Tornado"), but it is a
wonderful, emotional, absolutely brilliant piece of work.)

Anyway, I'm rambling...the last straw for me was the Cocteau Twins box set.
 After its release, I wrote to the label and asked them if the CDs would be
released independently, since I already had all but three or four of them.
 Yes, they said, although not in the US.  Fine.  But then they didn't release
the "Dials" CD.  AAAARGH!!!  So I went out and bought a box set, went to
another record store and picked up another "Iceblink Luck" CD5, took out
"Dials" to keep for myself, replaced it with the other "Iceblink" single,
took it back to the first store, and got a full refund.  And THEN I wrote a
letter to Ivo (at the London office, natch) and told him all about it.
 Strangely, I never heard back from him...  :)

And then, they started in on the "two releases (with different b-sides) for
one single" trick, and that was it.  That practice should be outlawed
(somehow) immediately!  And any "artist" who allows themselves to be used in
such fashion (supposedly for higher chart showings, they say) should at least
disown it loudly in the press!

All right, I'll be getting off my soapbox now...thanks for letting me get
that off my chest.

Jeremy Orr



Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:01:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Did someone say Springhouse?


Hi, it's me again.  I think Springhouse were a great band, and I miss them
terribly.  Nice guys, too.  I saw them twice on the "Postcards" tour, and
they were excellent.

Just thought I'd throw that in...

Jeremy Orr


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:59:35 -0800
From: Christopher Winfield (winfield@MATH.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches


I was at the concert.  I saw no recording mikes as you decribed.

-winfield

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:04:37 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Grenadine: Nopalitos vs. Goya


> I hope I'm not regurgitating a dead subject, and I'm sorry if I am...

  it's been covered, but i'm all for dredging up dead subjects these days...

> Has anyone heard the new, Warren Defever-produced Grenadine album, 'Nopalitos'
> (which I understand means "prickly pear" or tender, edible cactus).
> I am curious as to how it stacks up against their 'Goya' album?

  brant does a better job of comparing the two. goya's a bit more
  jingle-jangley, while nopalitos has this really goofy spark running
  through it. but i think they are both fine albums. nothing groundbreaking,
  just some nice music.

> I've heard the alternate mix of "This Girl's In Love
> With You" that is included on 'Wakefield the TeenBeat Story

  i prefer this mix to the one on the album...the one on nopalitos
  being garbled in spots, the one on wakefield being sweet & clear.
  someone somewhere said it was a cover..? whatever the case, it's a
  lovely song. i think the cherry on top of the grenadine sundae is the
  christiansen ep & don't forget the halo. finest singles i've heard
  in a long time...

  *k* ...that songs great! i love e-flat!...

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:31:29 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD and Corporate Whoredom


On Fri, 16 Dec 1994, Jeremy Orr sat infront of a computer to do this:

> Whew!  Man, is it nice to hear someone else saying that!  I thought maybe I
> was alone in that feeling, and was expecting a ton of flames about it.  I
> don't really even mind so much that 4AD has a nice distribution deal with
> Warner - I just wish they had some quality music to distribute!

  for me, this runs a lot deeper than a nice distribution deal. i read the
  lush interview that was recently posted..here?..and i just got more
  perturbed with the label & ivo...and it dawned on me what was at the
  center of my dislike of AVAM {it was good, but lacking}. there's a
  level of intimacy..between the bands & the label, the label & it's fans..
  that's missing. something's shifted and changed, not really for the
  better. i can't clearly write what i want to say, but my dislike for
  4ad now stems from having been a fan for many years and supporting
  the label & it's bands before warner dug it's teeth into it. i think
  indie labels that are truly dedicated to what they are doing, do a more
  than adequate job of getting their music out and about..of getting stores
  to carry their releases, and so on.

> Looking over
> that list of the year's 4AD releases (for voting purposes), it occurred to me
> that there really wasn't anything on there but a string of disappointments,
> the biggest of which being the new Pale Saints, which sucks.

  i wonder what a 4ad demo consists of these days... an ex muses member and
  a new group of musicians to join in the big 4ad family? a group that
  put out a recording or two on a small european indie? great new talent,
  mr. watts-russell...

> And then, they started in on the "two releases (with different b-sides) for
> one single" trick,

  that's nice and all...knowing that 4ad fans are collektor's and such.
  gee...i'll have to pass on that gigantic 'headache' collektion of releases
  {wasn't that 2 10"s..or 1 10" & 2 cds & a 7" or....???}...


  *k* ...pat? who's pat?...


Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 20:10:00 -0500
From: Henrique Fernandes (henrique.fernandes@canrem.com)
Subject: top 94 songs of 1994


For the third year in a row I am compiling the top 94 songs of 1994 to be
played back on CKMS 100.3 FM at the University of Waterloo.  I am asking that
people email their lists using the following format.  Keep in mind that you
should try not to list your local indie garage acts that I have probably
never heard of.  Also keep in mind that you can not list songs that have been
reissued this year.  Try to make sure that the release came out in 1994.
Please have all replies in by Jan. 19 1995.  Here's the format to use. Thanks

        Song title      Cd title        Artist          label

1
2
3
4
5
and so on.

PS. if you don't know the label that is ok. Please list your top 30.  Thanks.


Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:05:58 +1100
From: Daniel Wilson (dwilson@ST.NEPEAN.UWS.EDU.AU)
Subject: 'Head To Toe' tracks?


  I probably missed them before I joined, but could someone send the
track list from 'Head To Toe'.
 Thanks. Have a good chrissy all.

 Danny.

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