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Subject: brendan perry on rare on air
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 23:32:59 -0500
From: Todd Sanders (TS61822@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: "Four-Calendar Cafe"
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 23:52:39 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:35:00 EST
From: Rob Galgano (0005338863@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:14:06 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 00:37:52 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:25:19 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:06:31 +0200
From: Kannisto Juha (jk101920@EE.TUT.FI)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:16:14 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:13:13 -0600
From: Angela M Bartoszewicz (angieb@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Have an Angelcore Christmas, This Year!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:52:41 -0500
From: Steven W Schuldt (sschuldt@NEWYORK.BOZELL.COM)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:52:10 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Bel Canto mailing list
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:55:17 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Ecstacy of St. Theresa
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:55:52 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Seefeel / EOST
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:52:20 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:38:59 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:47:36 +0600
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: DCD glitches
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:08:55 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:24:10 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: WTB: Cocteau Twins' "Snow"
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:28:51 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:34:06 -0500
From: SCSI Master tm (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:05:50 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:38:32 +0100
From: Roland Ulbert (ulbert@ISIS.WU-WIEN.AC.AT)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:26:39 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...ESP Summer...
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:35:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Chicago: Another 950 night
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:47:05 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: New THROWING MUSES on the WWW
Date: 14 Dec 1994 18:23:56 GMT
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:30:29 LCL
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 20:28:26 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:31:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO, say it isn't so...
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:50:39 -0800
From: Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 23:32:59 -0500
From: Todd Sanders (TS61822@AOL.COM)
Subject: brendan perry on rare on air


hi i am thinking of buying the rare on air comp, but seeing as how i olny
want the brendan perry track i was wondering if his song 'captive heart' is
just a renaming of american dreaming or i can see now from towards the
within?

any info would be helpful



todd sanders


no snappy line here

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 23:52:39 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: "Four-Calendar Cafe"


There's been some discussion about the Cocteau Twins' last full-length
offering, and being the opinionated sort, I thought I'd put in my two cents'
worth.

I totally agree with Jens Alfke on this one...

> missy pepper  asks:
>> Why have the critics downplayed this album as inferior to
>> Victorialand-era recordings? I think i am fairly well versed in CT
>> history, and i think this is just a new direction, not necessarily an
>> inferior one.
>> What do you think?
>
> Because the music is an even more watered-down version of what
> they've been doing for the past seven or eight years -- i.e. it makes
> Love Spirals Downwards seem brilliantly original -- and primarily
> because the new intelligible lyrics are some of the most cringingly
> awful new-age psychobabble I've ever heard. Hearing that kind of
> imbecility come out of Liz's golden throat made me feel ill. Quite
> disillusioning.

Hallelujah!  I agree totally, one hundred percent, and it's nice to hear
someone else admit this.  I wrote a review saying basically the same thing
for a local underground paper, and got a ton of flak for it.  I understand
that a lot of people behold the band with great reverence, but come on - a
bad album is a bad album!  "FCC" has a few good tracks - "My Truth",
"Squeeze-Wax", "Theft, and Wandering Around Lost" - but I still have to grit
my teeth at some of the lyrics.  I may be alone in this, but I greatly
preferred them when I had no idea what she was saying - and I don't want to
know the old lyrics, either!

I also was let down when seeing them live on the subsequent tour.  Having
also seen them (at the same venue, even) on the "HOLV" tour, I much preferred
the sound with the computer over the live percussionists.  To me, it just
smacked of "we're a real band - see, no drum machines this time!  And lyrics
you can understand, too!"

Give me "Victorialand", "Blue Bell Knoll", or "Aikea-Guinea" anyday...and
speaking of which, did any 4AD-Lers see them on their '86/'87 "Victorialand"
tour?  I understand that Throwing Muses opened for them?  Man, what a show
that must have been.

> On the other hand, I enjoyed Liz's contributions to the Future
> Sound Of London's "Lifeforms Paths 1-7" album. A must-buy.

Also agreed.

from Jeremy Orr



Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:35:00 EST
From: Rob Galgano (0005338863@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


i was listening to TTW on headphones and detected some dropouts on track 3,
"Desert Song."

1.30 - left channel
1.54 - left
2.06 - right
2.12 - left
2.24 - left

anybody else have similar experiences, or did i just get a bad disc? i can't
believe these errors got through.

r.
rgalgano@mcimail.com


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:14:06 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


> anybody else have similar experiences, or did i just get a bad disc? i can't
> believe these errors got through.

  yep..same with my disc...

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 00:37:52 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: beautiful bel canto!!!


AAAHHHHHHHH! i need help really badly! i am in shock, i am shaking!
i am being overdramatic! I am in auditory bliss! i can't believe it!
i have used far too many exclamation marks!

i just bought Bel Canto's "Birds of Passage" on a passing whim, finding it
used for seven dollars AND having a coupon. I remember someone saying that
one of their releases was the best ever this year, along with Geek the Girl,
so i grabbed it. decided i'd check mail and read news before i went to bed,
and opted for the BC over this great Bossanova diski i also got..
Boy am i happy! this is so good i will never stop ranting. (ok, mabye later)

But give me the skinny on this wonderful band! Have i gotten the aforementioned
disk? what are their other releases like? i MUST know, otherwise you will
have to deal with my attack-kitten. Grrrrrr....  ;)

                                        lisa-roo


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:25:19 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?

              Dec 14, 94 10:42:38 am

On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:
>   could someone post it in full? i'll ask someone to buy it for me
>   regardless of what else is on it besides the laika track, but
>   i am curious to know what else is on the disc....
>
>   *k* ...if the dog steps on the power switch, i'm fryin' her
>       stuffed baby bear...
>

  Node - Olivine [Flood, Ed Buller and chums mucking about with ancient
    synthesisers] (debut)
  Spiritualized - Good Times (Pure Phase) (remix)
  Goya Dress - Foetus
  Garbage - Vow [Butch Vig and friends] (debut)
  Prolapse - Visa for Violet and Van
  Shriek - Girl Meets Girl
  Pet Lamb - Son of John Doe
  Moby - What Love? [Sounds like a cleaned-up Butthole Surfers, I'm not
    sure they put the right track on the CD, or maybe Moby has had a
    radical change of direction]
  G Love and Special Sauce - Tomorrow Night (live)
  Massive Attack - Karma Coma (Bumper Ball dub)
  E.A.R. - Space Theme (Tribute to John Cage in C, A, G & E)
  Laika - Lower Than Stars
  Ride - Only Now (US remix) [Remixing a feeble song to make it even
    more feeble is an interesting concept, isn't it?]
  Catatonia - Dream On
  Love Spit Love - Wake Up (acoustic)
  Novocaine - Pond Life
  Flinch - Days
  Nitzer Ebb - In Decline

  Highlights for me are Node, Spiritualized, Garbage, EAR, Laika,
  Catatonia.

  *a* ...no i haven't got any more paper for the laser printer...


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:06:31 +0200
From: Kannisto Juha (jk101920@EE.TUT.FI)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?

              Dec 14, 94 10:14:06 pm

>
> > anybody else have similar experiences, or did i just get a bad disc? i can't
> > believe these errors got through.
>
>   yep..same with my disc...

And mine...
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:16:14 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?


On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, A.J. Norman wrote:

  ...wrote the entire contents of the volume 12 thingamabob. what
  a perfectly swell person... :)

>   Highlights for me are Node, Spiritualized, Garbage, EAR, Laika,
>   Catatonia.

  what?! no like ride?! :evil grin:

>   *a* ...no i haven't got any more paper for the laser printer...

  *k* ...lookie..i got a whole case of paper for a laser printer.
      want me to fax you some? hehehehehe...


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:13:13 -0600
From: Angela M Bartoszewicz (angieb@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!

              Dec 15, 94 00:37:52 am

>
>AAAHHHHHHHH! i need help really badly! i am in shock, i am shaking!
>i am being overdramatic! I am in auditory bliss! i can't believe it!
>i have used far too many exclamation marks!
>
Exactly how I felt when I first heard them!!!!!(lots o' exclamation marks!)
Get "Shimering, Warm & Bright" -- also fabulous!!!!!!!!

Ang


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:52:41 -0500
From: Steven W Schuldt (sschuldt@NEWYORK.BOZELL.COM)
Subject: Have an Angelcore Christmas, This Year!


>Ok.  As for the other tape, I was kinda disappointed by Seefeel and EOST.
>I had heard countless times on this list that they were very (I can't
>believe I'm going to use this word... I already hate myself for thinking it)
>"shoe-gaze-y".
>
Whoa there, man!  I'd like a repost of one of those 'countless times'.  Shirley
shum mishtake...

>When it actually is quite ambient... which is also good, but
>not what I expected.  I know both bands kinda changed their sound, but
>wasn't there a time when they played guitars?  Eitherway, they are both
>brilliant, and I love them to death (even though i was suprised).
>Could someone also send me more info about them?
>
Speaking of love and death, I herein resend Miller's electro xmas card to all
you scrumptious, gothic, ethereo-angst imbibing and totally angelcore listers:

                                X
                                *
                               ***
                              *****
                             *******
                            *********
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                          *************
                         ***************
                        *****************
                       *******************
                         ***************
                               III
                              _III_
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steven W. Schuldt                       |  sschuldt@newyork.bozell.com
Sr. Systems Administrator               |  Having kelli-jeanne's Baby
Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. |  Going Aboveground
Advertising and Public Relations        |  Marking Time
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:52:10 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!


In <9412150639.AA05007@harper.cc.il.us>, missy pepper wrote:

> i just bought Bel Canto's "Birds of Passage" on a passing whim, finding it
> used for seven dollars AND having a coupon.
> Boy am i happy! this is so good i will never stop ranting. (ok, mabye later)
>
> But give me the skinny on this wonderful band!

Many people will recommend "Shimmering, Warm & Bright" but I found it
disappointing and never did listen to it as much as the first two albums. I
*HIGHLY* recommend "White-Out Conditions", their first album. I think it's
on the same par as "Birds of Passage". It's even more brilliant when you
realise just how young Anneli was when she wrote these songs (exact age,
someone might know, but I'm pretty sure she was still a teenager). If you just
can't get enough, find a copy of an album by Tsunematsu Matsui. The title
is something like "Yorokobi no uta" ?? and it features vocals by Anneli
Drecker. "White-Out Conditions" should still be available from Nettwerk
(someone out there can probably supply their email address...)
-shill

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:55:17 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Bel Canto mailing list


I should have mentioned the Bel Canto mailing list. The address is
dewy-fields@ifi.uio.no
To subscribe send a message to dewy-fields-request@ifi.uio.no

-shill


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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:55:52 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Ecstacy of St. Theresa


jOHN wrote:

>Ok.  As for the other tape, I was kinda disappointed by Seefeel and EOST.
>I had heard countless times on this list that they were very (I can't
>believe I'm going to use this word... I already hate myself for thinking it)
>"shoe-gaze-y".  When it actually is quite ambient... which is also good, but
>not what I expected.  I know both bands kinda changed their sound, but
>wasn't there a time when they played guitars?  Eitherway, they are both
>brilliant, and I love them to death (even though i was suprised).
>Could someone also send me more info about them?

EoST certainly started out "shoe-gaze-y" (ahem, at least you didn't say
"etherial"!).  I would characterize their first album "Sussurate" as being
half way between "Isn't Anything" MBV and Slowdive's first album.  About
the only other thing I can think of to say is they are from the old
Czechoslovakia.

Simon

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:52:20 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Seefeel / EOST


jOHN asks:
>Ok.  As for the other tape, I was kinda disappointed by Seefeel and EOST.
>I had heard countless times on this list that they were very (I can't
>believe I'm going to use this word... I already hate myself for thinking it)
>"shoe-gaze-y".  When it actually is quite ambient... which is also good, but
>not what I expected.  I know both bands kinda changed their sound, but
>wasn't there a time when they played guitars?

Seefeel's first EP "More Like Space" was by far the most shoegazy; it's
really a fusion of the more ambient MBV stuff with ambient techno. They've
gradually moved away from that. I do believe they still produce most of their
sound with guitar/bass/drums -- just more heavily processed.
  Which tracks were on the comp? If you want any more Seefeel, you should get
the "Polyfusia" comp, which has their earlier stuff. "Quique" is great but
has a few weak tracks and is much more ambient. They pull off some very
interesting tricks with out-of-phase loops. "Starethrough" is an excellent
EP, particularly the title track which has some amazing low bass sounds.

EOST's first EP was much more shoegazery, but also rather boring. A pretty
straightforward MBV ripoff. Someone described it as "put on some guitar
effects, play a riff for a while, put on some different effects, play for a
while..." Free-D is a much more interesting album but less guitarry and more
ambient.

So tell _me_ more about Disco Inferno ... there's a track by them on the
"Isolationism" comp that didn't impress me; weird noodling that reminded me a
lot of the various Wire solo projects, like Gilbert & Newman's stuff. Which
is fine if you enjoy that stuff but it don't do much for me.

[On now: Horizon222 "Through The Round Window". Excellent chilled-out trance
techno. Dare I compare it to the first two Orb albums??]

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:38:59 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!


> i just bought Bel Canto's "Birds of Passage" on a passing whim,
> finding it used for seven dollars AND having a coupon. I remember
> someone saying that one of their releases was the best ever this
> year, along with Geek the Girl, so i grabbed it. decided i'd check
> mail and read news before i went to bed, and opted for the BC over
> this great Bossanova diski i also got..  Boy am i happy! this is so
> good i will never stop ranting. (ok, mabye later)
>
> But give me the skinny on this wonderful band! Have i gotten the
> aforementioned disk? what are their other releases like? i MUST
> know, otherwise you will have to deal with my attack-kitten.
> Grrrrrr....  ;)
>
>                                        lisa-roo

Well, actually, they haven't released anything this year - or even last year!
 Their last CD was "Shimmering Warm & Bright", which came out in fall of '92.
 It's a great album, but may be hard to find since the company that released
it - Dali, a subsidiary of Chameleon - went under about a year ago.

"Birds of Passage" preceded it; I think it came out in 1990.  It was their
last as a trio, as Geir Jenssen (I think that's his name) left the band; he
now creates ambient techno under the name Biosphere.  And isn't "Intravenous"
a great song?  Wow...

Their first album, "White-Out Conditions", came out one or two years before
that.  I've never heard it, so I can't really comment on it.  I've heard it's
good, but Bel Canto fans tend to be somewhat worshipful, so it might not be
too "honest" of an opinion.  

The band has completed a new album, and are shopping for a label.
 Unfortunately, since they've had no prior "hits", I'm not holding my breath.
 They have their own mailing list, too - subscribe by e-mailing:


That's it for now...
Jeremy Orr


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:47:36 +0600
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


> i was listening to TTW on headphones and detected some dropouts on track 3,
> "Desert Song."
>
...
>
> anybody else have similar experiences, or did i just get a bad disc? i can't
> believe these errors got through.
>
        Rob, I thought I was nuts, but I noticed it too!  In fact,
I brought the disc back to the store for an exchange, and the
"dropouts" were still there.  I know from the old analog days
(sigh) that a whole batch sent to a store will probably be in
error if you discover your copy has trouble, so I'm probably out
of luck in that case.  If anyone else has this trouble (although
I can't verify the times reported), please let us know!

Nick

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:08:55 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: DCD glitches


those problems are also on the advance release digipak CD.
all this reminds me of the Propaganda album "A Secret Wish"
where there at least they listed all of the audio glitches
on the back of the CD case! but those problems were far less
noticeable than the DCD ones.

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:24:10 EST
From: Matt Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


>If anyone else has this trouble (although
>I can't verify the times reported), please let us know!

Let's change that to "if anyone does NOT have this glitch on their Towards the
Within, let us know"

-Matt

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:28:51 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: WTB: Cocteau Twins' "Snow"


"Snow" has been re-released in large quantities by Fontana.  Tower Records'
main store in Boston has approximately 20 copies of it.


Mike

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:34:06 -0500
From: SCSI Master tm (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


> Let's change that to "if anyone does NOT have this glitch on their Towards the
> Within, let us know"

has anyone noticed if it's on the video and/or laserdisk too?

speaking of TtW - where the hell are the 'limited' box sets available?

Keith
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:05:50 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD audio glitches (toward the within)?


I would imagine that the sound edit would be different for the video, since
there is a lot of extra noise and periods when Lisa and Brendan are talking.
These things were edited out for the CD.


Mike


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:38:32 +0100
From: Roland Ulbert (ulbert@ISIS.WU-WIEN.AC.AT)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!

              Dec 15, 94 01:38:59 pm

And lo!, Jeremy Orr spake unto the masses:
>
> Well, actually, they haven't released anything this year - or even last year!
>  Their last CD was "Shimmering Warm & Bright", which came out in fall of '92.
>  It's a great album, but may be hard to find since the company that released
> it - Dali, a subsidiary of Chameleon - went under about a year ago.
Not where I live - I saw it several times, but was a bit diappointed by
it and didn't buy it..
>
> "Birds of Passage" preceded it; I think it came out in 1990.  It was their
This is definitely my favorite by them - very nice indeed..
>
> Their first album, "White-Out Conditions", came out one or two years before
> that.  I've never heard it, so I can't really comment on it.  I've heard it's
> good, but Bel Canto fans tend to be somewhat worshipful, so it might not be
> too "honest" of an opinion.  
It's quite nice - not as good as BoP IMHO, but still very good (but yes,
I _am_ biased, of course ;)
>
> The band has completed a new album, and are shopping for a label.
>  Unfortunately, since they've had no prior "hits", I'm not holding my breath.
Well, we can always hope :)

++Roland

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Roland Ulbert (ulbert@wu-wien.ac.at | a4431gab@awiuni11.bitnet)
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    ..und da macht ein hauch mich von verfall erzittern..


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:26:39 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD glitches


  see...now i have even more reason to dislike 4ad. first it's
  the messed up AVAM video, now it's dcd's audio. one more thingie,
  and i'm gonna go do evil things to ivo..like flush his cigs
  down the toilet or make him eat prok rinds or something...


  harumph, *k*

  #...when there's something strange, crawling on your floor...#
  #...who you gonna call?......EINEXILE!...#  ;)

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:35:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...ESP Summer...


  A: bee-yoo-tee-full soundz.
  Q: what do you get when you lock ian masters & warren defever
     in a livonia basement?

  ah yes...*this* and laika are albums of the year. tied for first.
  two genius musicians, whose thinking is a li'l off center, can
  come up with some rather divine music when they put their thinking
  caps on. i do hope 4ad puts this out, though..it needs a proper
  cover, rather than davn's fluff drawings {cute as they are, it's
  no v23}...

  * k-j * ...no matter what disaster occurred,
          she stood in desperate music wound...

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:47:05 -0600
From: Steve Hill (shill@harper.cc.il.us)
Subject: Chicago: Another 950 night


This coming Monday is another feature night at Club 950, this time it's
Cocteau Twins night.

I'll be playing an abundance of Twins, along with some DCD, TMC, and other
good stuff to boot. And if you want to hear some new Wolfgang Press tracks,
I'll play some of that too.

Pertinent info, briefly: located at 950 West Wrightwood in Chicago (corner of
Lincoln, Sheffield, Wrightwood) Must be 21, open 9 pm until about 1:45 am,
easy parking on Mondays, drink specials 75c draft beer or $3.50/pitcher. Very
friendly DJ will play your requests if he has them (and if they're CT, he
*WILL* have them, unless he forgets something, in which case, D'OH!)
Telephone 312-929-8955, check the Reader, or email me at shill@harper.cc.il.us
if you need to know more!
-shill

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:58:42 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: from the infamous a.m.a.


Subject: New THROWING MUSES on the WWW

Date: 14 Dec 1994 18:23:56 GMT THROWING MUSES FANS !!!!!!! I just found this great little Web site, called Addicted to Noise that's got a little preview of the Throwing Muses album "University". (http://www.addict.com/ATN/adverts/Sire/December/) It includes the album cover (cool!), a Throwing Muses biography, AND 45 minute MPEG excerpts of 'Bright Yellow Gun' and 'Shimmer'. Check it out! Tine (tine@bu.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think I need a little poison" - Throwing Muses, 'Bright Yellow Gun' -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:30:29 LCL
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...


    *k-j* spews forth:
>   A: bee-yoo-tee-full soundz.

    ok, what favors and for whom will lead an ugh-lee sownd to zis
boodifull moozik? is dis (or dat) called "...ESP Summer..." or is
that how you describe it? Is it called "spoonfed saints are alive" or
something?


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 20:28:26 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: beautiful bel canto!!!

              pepper" at Dec 15, 94 12:37 am

According to missy pepper:
>
> AAAHHHHHHHH! i need help really badly! i am in shock, i am shaking!
> i am being overdramatic! I am in auditory bliss! i can't believe it!
> i have used far too many exclamation marks!
agreed. BoP was the first one I bought on a similar whim a few
years back. I think I went out and bought WOC the same week
along with the few singles I could find. Wonderful stuff. I
like all three albums but think that WOC is my favorite..
absolutely creepy music- I was reading Lovecraft's At the
Mountains of MAdness when I first listened to it. It sounds
like music to listen to trudging through Arctic/Antarctic snow
and ice fields- very eerie and lonely I think.
go get the other albums.. asap.
just my 2c
ted

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"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
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Ted Watkins
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:31:52 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...ESP Summer...


>     *k-j* spews forth:

  spew? moi? :(

>     ok, what favors and for whom will lead an ugh-lee sownd to zis
> boodifull moozik? is dis (or dat) called "...ESP Summer..." or is
> that how you describe it? Is it called "spoonfed saints are alive" or
> something?
>

  le kassette is called "ESP Summer"...heaven help them if they start
  using "..." for their titles. i have two eXtra spacial copies of this
  release: one dub & one not. the dub is supereXtra special because it
  is the only one with a blue & white cover, but i won't get into that...
  actually, i can't make heads or tail of what they are actually
  calling themselves. lemme describe the "cover", then you can guess
  from there...oh good grief! i just realized something...there's
  stars next to ESP..like this --> *ESP*   uh...anyway, the side &
  front say, "ESP Summer" and there's this line drawing of a...uh..
  pumpkin...with phone cord squigglies around it {for the sake of
  art, i'll assume that's supposed to be grass :snicker:}...and a
  sun peeking out on the horizon {or hill..you decide}...flip the tape
  case and the li'l flap on that side sayeth, "timeStereo".  inside cover
  is an address and a gigantoid arrow w/a star in da middle pointing
  down to the words, "Spinnerin' by timeStereo". :shrug: the tapes are
  your standard TDKs. oh yeah..and this part on the front {and on the
  tape} says: by WRN.EN. basically, i don't know how one would go about
  getting this. either from WRN or DAVN or someone who knows either
  or your bestest pals who live in MI and can get copies...

  * k *

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:50:39 -0800
From: Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA
Subject: Re: LISA GERMANO, say it isn't so...


>> In a piece of highly serious art, it would be provocative enough, but in
> this context the use of that sample contributes to the trivialization of
> violence against women instead of acting as a statement against it.
>
>I don't think i understand what you are saying. How is music not a piece
>of "highly serious art"? Surely Karen Findley and Nigel Roth would disagree
>with you. What was Bach? Not that i am comparing LG to Bach, i am merely
>showing how music can be "highly serious art".  Just because you buy it
>in a store (big or small)  dosen't trivialize its meaning..
>And even if it was true that music isnt highly serious art, mabye that is
>what LG is striving for. How can you say music is inferior to, say,
>painting as an art form? mabye i am misunderstanding your "context".
>
>And just how in the world, after listening to that album can you
>possibly infer that LG is "contribut(ing) to the trivialization of women?
>Are youtaking the liner notes seriously? i don't understand, please
>expand your argument!
>
>                        lisa, who admittedly does have a tendency toward
>                              'art' soapboxes, cause she's a graphics gal

Ah, I love coming into work after 5 days off: almost 400 interesting
messages to sift through . . .the whole glorious panorama of 4ad-l.
( I mention this only to explain why I'm responding to this a week late, so
here goes): I would never say that music is not serious art, of
course; the very thought is laughable. The reason I don't consider Lisa
Germano's work as "serious art" is that by her treatment of her material
(the sample) she has disqualified herself from being taken seriously,
(imo, of course). If you want to use something as terribly powerful as
the sample in question, you treat it with the utmost respect (no, I don't
think that she has) and you deal with it: aesthetically, politically,
on every level and with an attempt to address all the ramifications of
what you're doing. This implies a kind of self-awareness and sensitivity
that she doesn't demonstrate in that song. So that's kind of a recursive
argument; she's not serious because she's not serious. But if you're going
to use
human suffering as the raw material for your art, you must take
appropriate responsibility for what you make of it. I think she
trivializes the tape, the event, and the kind of ruin that violence
makes of people's lives.

Juliet (Guess it's time to get the damn modem hooked up at home,
even if it means I have to use unix *whine*)
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++++++++++++   three quarters of our real life." - Simone Weil


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