Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Subject: light show in the sky
Subject: Muses new one
Subject: ...stars are in my head...
Subject: Autechre
Subject: volume 12 band/track listing?
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Subject: Re: Four Calendar Cafe
Subject: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk
Subject: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander
Subject: Re: 4ad catalogue
Subject: Merry X-mas
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto
Subject: LOW, Disco-Inferno, Ecstacy of St. Theresa, SeeFeel
Subject: red house painters lyrics
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Subject: 4 collander coffee ( so thick the spoon stnds up :-) )
Subject: Re: WTB: Cocteau Twins' "Snow"
Subject: LUSH Cookie
Subject: industry/band contacts anyone?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:19:43 -0800
> >We just got the single, `Bright Yellow Gun' in.
> >
> >it's brilliant. _University_ will definitely be a must buy.
> Care to elaborate? How does it compare with earlier Muses works musically?
Well, folks, I just got workin' at the old record store (for some
winter-ke$h) and guess what came in the mail today. The album, all
white, no-sleeved, and promoed, but still - Throwing Muses, University.
I've only had the chance to hear it twice (plus a little).
First listen:
Flat. Dry. There's no thrill in the tunes. Somebody mentioned
something about this cd being like House Tornado-era stuff (or "it will
be like..."), but that's simply not true. At least there's more 'band'
to it - interesting drums/beats, some good bass work here & there.
Still, K. & her guitar dominate. Sounds like a beefed-up Red Heaven,
with some wah-wah and [*sometimes*] production sounding like The Real
Ramona or Hunkpapa.
Second listen:
Whoa - the second side (if you can call it that on a cd) really has some
interesting thoughts... this might be one of the most interesting things
I've imagined of Throwing Muses in a long time... Does it "rock"? I'm
glad she turns off her distortion once in a (long) while. AHH!
Strings! Ohh, mmm. Why do I always like the instrumentals best. I'm
going to listen to this more than I thought I would.
Beginning of third listen:
wow! uhh, Wow! WOOOW!
Overall, it still sounds like the 'red heaven' sound, but the band is
learning how to push it into new feelings. Heck, feels gooood.
Mind you, I don't count my judgements accurate 'til the 5th or 6th lissen...
[email protected]
"All done, all done"
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:25:00 +0000
94 05:38:00 pm
Lawren Wu Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:33:30 -0800
if anybody on this list is still up this wednesday morning
and wants to see some meteors, the geminid meteor shower is at a peak
right now. i've seen lots from the middle of LA with the nearly full
moon up, so it must be pretty active. the radiant point is overhead
right now, so all the falling stars will appear to be really falling.
you're bound to see one within several minutes. so bundle up for the
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:31:00 GMT
Someone asked about the Muses new single 'Bright Yellow gun'. Ive
heard it a few times now, and its a typical earlier style of Throwing
Muses, but, I have to say, a bit on the repetative side.
They were also live on 'The Word' (a really naff late night 'yoof' TV
show in the UK) and they were dreadful, so this has probably put me
off the track for a while.
DOes anyone know where I can get CT bootlegs or videos in the UK ??
There has been mention here of a band 'Autechre' who sound
interesting. Can anyone supply a disco of them, and label details,
thanks.
To join in the HNIA recent discussion..personally I feel Home is in
your Head is the weakest release (Mouth by Mouth restored my faith in
them) as it was very patchy and inconsistent. I wont go any further
in any criticism, for fear of *k-j* ....love & peace & seasons
greetings !!
Also my 2p worth on the 911 sampling...We have all questioned the
artists decision to include it, but I would question the decision to
make such a call and its contents public. Are 911 calls public domain
?? Where is society going when a persons last, desperate plea for
help is made publis for people to sample ??. I dont blame Lisa ( but
perhaps question her decision) but blame the people who made this
public and available for others to use.
Cheers
Paul
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:48:14 -0800
On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Paul Rankine wrote:
> To join in the HNIA recent discussion..personally I feel Home is in
> your Head is the weakest release (Mouth by Mouth restored my faith in
> them) as it was very patchy and inconsistent. I wont go any further
> in any criticism, for fear of *k-j* ....love & peace & seasons
> greetings !!
no...please please please go into further criticism. i derive a
great amount of pleasure from thorough, well-thought discussions
about livonia & hiiyh...i might even start my 4AD Rejects Club
type critiques on this very list of ours if we really get into
talking about these albums...
*k-j* ...up this late on a wednesday morning and all i see
outside are fluffy clouds, while my doggie drags one toy
after another to my feet as a means of saying "play with
me..pwetty pwease?"...
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:43:12 +0000
94 09:31:00 am
Paul Rankine Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:51:21 -0800
could someone post it in full? i'll ask someone to buy it for me
regardless of what else is on it besides the laika track, but
i am curious to know what else is on the disc....
*k* ...if the dog steps on the power switch, i'm fryin' her
stuffed baby bear...
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:23:51 -0800
Sorry but i *HAD* to do this...
Actually, I should mention, I guess, that this might offend some people,
but it's all in good fun...
einexile
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:57:48 -0500
On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:
> Sorry but i *HAD* to do this...
> Actually, I should mention, I guess, that this might offend some people,
> but it's all in good fun...
that is twisted...
twisted, but funny...
purp
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:14:17 EST
for anyone interested, i have a copy of the new disc and may be able to get
nother copy for someone else for about ten dollars, including shipping. you
can e-mail me at [email protected].
also for slowdive fans, there is a new band on silent records called closedown
whose disc 'nearfield' is very good and sounds similiar to a mix between both
of the slowdive records. if you like slowdive, i highly recomend this band.
alan
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:59:26 -0500
I would like to second Lisa's opinions regarding 4CC.
I don't think it is an inferior album (cd/tape?) and enjoy it quite a bit. I
find it has a much "cleaner" and "airier" sound than previous releases. It
sounds well thought out and like they took some time to put it together.
Im going to go out on a limb and say that I think the reason it got panned was
because people didn't think it was as "dense" sounding as previous recordings. I
hink it still has the same amount of layers as before, they're just more defined
They're cleaner sounding layers. Before the layers ran together and you
couldn't tell the differences. Now for some that is a preference that would make
big difference, but to me, I like the change. Bands evolve and evidently the
Twins want a cleaner, more atmospheric sound.
So...that's all I wanted to say.
Thanks for your time.
Tim
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:33:16 -0800
The comments about _Hex_ seem to be coming from people who haven't listened
to the album very carefully. This is not a flame, merely an observation.
Bark Psychosis have evolved from a band that has indulged in the aesthetics
of noise on _Independency_ to a more subdued, moody ambience that pervades
_Hex_. They've gone from guitar bliss-out to a jazz-like minimalism which
is where my comparison to Talk Talk comes in. _Spirit Of Eden_ & _Laughing
Stock_ (the last 2 Talk Talk albums) are both stunning examples of a band
going from throwaway pop to a sound which has such feeling to it. It's as
if Mark Hollis & Tim Friese-Greene came to some sort of realization and
found Talk Talk's "true" sound. Bark Psychosis have cited Talk Talk as
a big influence which can definitely be heard on _Hex_ with it's variety of
percussion and basslines. I don't understand the criticism of BP's vocals.
They are nothing brilliant but certainly do not ruin the music. If anything,
they are mixed right at the level of the music so they don't really stand out.
The singer's voice is far from annoying as I can name a dozen vocalists whose
delivery make me cringe (Robert Smith, Morrissey, Perry Farrell...).
Any other fans of Bark Psychosis and/or late-period Talk Talk out there?
Jason
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:46:36 -0500
I agree with Jason. The Spirit of Eden album is great. It caught
most people, who remember Talk Talk as "It's My Life", by surprise and
turned most of them off. I can't remember the name of the song, but
its the 2nd song on one of the sides...one of my all-time favorites.
There is at least one song on Hex that sounds like it could have come
straight from Spirit of Eden.
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:47:19 -0500
In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:57:48 -0500,
The Purple Sage
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:42:38 -0800
Does anyone have a habit of collecting Kelli-Jeanne's signature lines?
I've become convinced that, in their entirety, they form an epic poem on
the scale of the Illiad.
-Brad
On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:
> could someone post it in full? i'll ask someone to buy it for me
> regardless of what else is on it besides the laika track, but
> i am curious to know what else is on the disc....
>
> *k* ...if the dog steps on the power switch, i'm fryin' her
> stuffed baby bear...
>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:51:39 -0800
missy pepper
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:07:20 MEZ
2 days ago i wrote:
> > It must be possible to download/review
> > the 4ad catalogue (incl. order prices) from/at some server...
> > I was trying the 4ad-l server but couldn't find any catalogue_file.
> > Browsing through http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html gives the same results.
> >
Erikas answered: (thank you!)
> I don't think anyone has the 4ad catalog on-line. What some record
> companies want to do is link the Eyesore database (at least on evo.org)
> to their pages on a title by title basis. So you'd be able to click on a
> particular album and automatically be given the price and availability,
> as well as an opportunity to order, from one of the record companies on
> the 'net. It's a neat idea, but a bit too commercial for my tastes.
> Anyone think it would / wouldn't be worthwhile looking into?
>
i agree, this might be too commercial an idea! but it is certainly worthwhile
to implement. some people do not like to go shopping downtown around Xmas,
for example...
See these american companies (CDconnection, CDeurope, CDnow,...) they offer
on-line selling service. The last one i mention has a really userfriendly
on-line shop. That's a pitty they don't have much material from 4AD. That's
also a pitty there is not a similar companie (as far as i know) in Europe. It
would make it cheaper for people this side of the Atlantic.
have fun around Xmas!
carlos
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:08:31 -0600
4ad Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:18:47 -0800
> this is important because TNT did an amazing production of "Wuthering
> Heights" with Ralph Finnes and Juliette Binoche. It was astouniding.
> Heights" with Ralph Finnes and Juliette Binoche. It was astouniding.
> Heights" with Ralph Finnes and Juliette Binoche. It was astouniding.
> (excuse my puter,It's being bad...)
> anyway, the music is breathtaking. The movie is so good. I'm a die-hard
> Laurence Olivier person, but these people are PERFECT. The direction was
> amazingly better than the 40's version. Much more emphesis on the supernatural
> forces that bound Cathy and Heathcliff together.
That's Ryuichi Sakamoto? Wow! I hadn't heard anything about it! (that's
what I get for watching only using the TV for star trek...)
Do you know if it'll be re-broadcasted?
FOr those of you who are interested, Ryuichi Sakamoto also did the
soundtrack for "Oneamisu no Tsuaba" (Wings of Honneamise), an exquisitely
animated feature film, which was dubbed (YUCK!!!!) and is making its way
around to various theatres in the U.S. right now... go see it.
[email protected]
"All done, all done"
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:22:45 -0500
Meow.
Monday I got the best two mix-tapes I have ever seen.
Side one was Disco Inferno's "DI go POP"
Side two was LOW's "I could live for hope"
Side three was Bark Psychosis's "Independency"
and Side four was Seefeel (various singles) and EOST's "Astrala Vista"
So here are my questions and comments I have formulated in the past day:
Could someone PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE tell me ALL about Disco Inferno and LOW?
Discography? DI are so wonderfully weird, while LOW is so darn... low.
If you haven't heard their song "fear", then yr really missing out.
With lyrics like:
"if you see my daughter/ Don't tell her I'm scared / 40 days without water/
feel my hands on her head"
I can't believe I have been missing out on this. It's all I've been
listening to since I got it. For those who have yet to hear them, they
sound like a minimalist bass meets drums meets
guitar-with-bright-brand-new-strings with this guy who has the strong yet
twee voice. He sounds like of Trent Reznor, only more gentle and sincere...
Ok. As for the other tape, I was kinda disappointed by Seefeel and EOST.
I had heard countless times on this list that they were very (I can't
believe I'm going to use this word... I already hate myself for thinking it)
"shoe-gaze-y". When it actually is quite ambient... which is also good, but
not what I expected. I know both bands kinda changed their sound, but
wasn't there a time when they played guitars? Eitherway, they are both
brilliant, and I love them to death (even though i was suprised).
Could someone also send me more info about them?
Oh yeah... ORANG was on there as well, with a song called Orang. Is this
the band on the dewdrops lable? Brant? Just wondering.
-jOHN pulling out my fur by the mouthful
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:44:59 -0500
4AD-er's
to all interested...i am nearly finnished with my very amateur
transcription of the lyrics of the red house painters...anyone curious ...
or just wanna compare translations feel free to drop a line....
-where angels mend
and mothers get to spend their sundays and holidays-mark
peace......from afghanistan at [email protected]
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:12:55 -0800
so e....have any luck?
the next time you forward something like that..clean it up
a bit! sheesh..80 pages of mail headers before you get to the mail...
;) *k* ...my mom has visited every record store in the vicinity and
every clerk she encountered swears there is no box set for
toward the within...except for the kid @ sam goody's in the mall..
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:03:38 -0600
Dec 14, 94 10:51:39 am
>
>Because the music is an even more watered-down version of what they've been
>doing for the past seven or eight years -- i.e. it makes Love Spirals
>Downwards seem brilliantly original -- and primarily because the new
>intelligible lyrics are some of the most cringingly awful new-age psycho
>babble I've ever heard. Hearing that kind of imbecility come out of Liz's
>golden throat made me feel ill. Quite disillusioning.
>
I must agree that at first, being able to understand the lyrics was rather
disappointing but after talking to Simon about the new album, the lyrics are
touching and far from "new-age psycho babble" and "imbecility"! He told me
that the album is all about the counseling the band went through together
during Robin's addiction problems which were affecting the band. To me,
knowing that and giving it another listen was enough to move me! I agree
the music seems too "polished" at times but they still remain THE most
amazing band -- so give them the respect the deserve!!!!!
And flame on....
Ang
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:49:46 -0600
I did say Sunday, 17 December @ 7pm, didn't i?
sorry, couldn't remember if i had gotten the date right!
lisa
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:47:57 -0600
Heffalump wrote about Wuthering Heights...
> That's Ryuichi Sakamoto? Wow! I hadn't heard anything about it! (that's
> what I get for watching only using the TV for star trek...)
>
> Do you know if it'll be re-broadcasted?
>
> FOr those of you who are interested, Ryuichi Sakamoto also did the
> soundtrack for "Oneamisu no Tsuaba" (Wings of Honneamise), an exquisitely
> animated feature film, which was dubbed (YUCK!!!!) and is making its way
> around to various theatres in the U.S. right now... go see it.
>
As far as my little TV chronilog says, it will be on at 7pm time for Houston
on TNT. Um, so that would be 8pm for the East Coast? for the rest of you,
i have no idea!
Sakamoto also did the soundtracks to Wild Palms, High Heels, and numerous
others, not to mention some great work with David Sylvian. I don't really care
for his solo stuff though...
lisa, who is wondering why she is
the only one who dosen't like StarTrek?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:10:45 -0800
I think that we should cull all the names out of the headers and ask them
all if they're gettin' any... :)
-Brad
PS -- Sorry, sorry.. I'll be good from now on.
On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:
> the next time you forward something like that..clean it up
> a bit! sheesh..80 pages of mail headers before you get to the mail...
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:56:19 -0600
Old fans of the CT, like them for their work which came before, so new
a direction is bound to alienate them( i.e. it's not more of what they
like). I agree with you; FCC is a good album. Most people would
consider it to be a pop album, which I would, too, if REM is pop also.
For some reason REM's Green comes to mind. I think TPO is their best
though, but it is sort of a greatest hits anyway. I wonder if the
Beatles lost any of their earlier fans as they took their music in new
directions? I kind of doubt it, but maybe The White Album shook some
off. Fans of thislisty music are bound to see them moving away to
more of a commercial( broad appeal) sound and thus hold a lower
opinion. I like pop, however, and the CT probably now have a greater
number of fans as a result. I never used to hear the CT played in
public, but now I since FCC I have heard them played at a supermarket
near me, and Winter WonderLand is played at the GAP, while Frosty The
Snowman is available on a Christmas CD with the Beach Boys, Dean
Martin, Elmo and Patsy, George Thouroughgood, and it's featured at
Tower at the headphones listening display. The day is at hand when
you can say you like the CT to people and not hear "Oh, they had that
song "Doctor Doctor", right?".
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:27:41 -0600
Did they rerelease it?