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Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:19:43 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:25:00 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: light show in the sky
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:33:30 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Muses new one
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:31:00 GMT
From: Paul Rankine (Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@X400MAIL.NOT.PS.NET)
Subject: ...stars are in my head...
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:48:14 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Autechre
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:43:12 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: volume 12 band/track listing?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:51:21 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:00:01 -0400
From: ETZ (bwe107@psu.edu)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:57:48 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:14:17 EST
From: alan kent daniel (adaniel@ENG.CLEMSON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Four Calendar Cafe
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:59:26 -0500
From: Tim Earp (TE2961S@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU)
Subject: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:33:16 -0800
From: Jason Schmit (jschmit@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:46:36 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:47:19 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:42:38 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:51:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad catalogue
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:07:20 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: Merry X-mas
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:08:31 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:18:47 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: LOW, Disco-Inferno, Ecstacy of St. Theresa, SeeFeel
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:22:45 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: red house painters lyrics
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:44:59 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:12:55 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:03:38 -0600
From: Angela M Bartoszewicz (angieb@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:49:46 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:47:57 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:10:45 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: 4 collander coffee ( so thick the spoon stnds up :-) )
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:56:19 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: WTB: Cocteau Twins' "Snow"
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:27:41 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: LUSH Cookie
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:25:28 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@ORI.U-TOKYO.AC.JP)
Subject: industry/band contacts anyone?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:19:55 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:19:43 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses


> >We just got the single, `Bright Yellow Gun' in.
> >
> >it's brilliant.  _University_ will definitely be a must buy.

> Care to elaborate?  How does it compare with earlier Muses works musically?

Well, folks, I just got workin' at the old record store (for some
winter-ke$h) and guess what came in the mail today.  The album, all
white, no-sleeved, and promoed, but still - Throwing Muses, University.

I've only had the chance to hear it twice (plus a little).

First listen:
Flat.  Dry.  There's no thrill in the tunes.  Somebody mentioned
something about this cd being like House Tornado-era stuff (or "it will
be like..."), but that's simply not true.  At least there's more 'band'
to it - interesting drums/beats, some good bass work here & there.
Still, K. & her guitar dominate.  Sounds like a beefed-up Red Heaven,
with some wah-wah and [*sometimes*] production sounding like The Real
Ramona or Hunkpapa.

Second listen:
Whoa - the second side (if you can call it that on a cd) really has some
interesting thoughts... this might be one of the most interesting things
I've imagined of Throwing Muses in a long time...  Does it "rock"?  I'm
glad she turns off her distortion once in a (long) while.  AHH!
Strings!  Ohh, mmm.  Why do I always like the instrumentals best.  I'm
going to listen to this more than I thought I would.

Beginning of third listen:
wow!  uhh, Wow!  WOOOW!

Overall, it still sounds like the 'red heaven' sound, but the band is
learning how to push it into new feelings.  Heck, feels gooood.

Mind you, I don't count my judgements accurate 'til the 5th or 6th lissen...

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                            "All done, all done"


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:25:00 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses

              94 05:38:00 pm

Lawren Wu  wrote:
>
> Care to elaborate?  How does it compare with earlier Muses works
> musically?  Personally, I was a bit disappointed with _Red Heaven_, so
> I hope that it's not more of the same.

I suppose I'm resigned to the fact that the Muses are never going to
sound as good as the "classic" Hersh/Donnelly/Langston/Narczicxzco (sp?)
lineup.  I think BYG is better than anything they have done since Leslie
left the group, though.  It still has that "rock" sound that "Red
Heaven" had, but it isn't so over-the-top, so there's room for some
subtlety as well.  A bit of backwards guitar on "Crayon Sun" (Los Lobos
cover?  Or is it Last Rights, the group Dinosaur Jr covered?).  The
B-side to the 7" is the 4th song on the CD/12, not "That Dog", but
something with Dog in the title.  My brain ain't working too good this
morning.  I was hoping for an exclusive track on the 7", as with the
Kristin Hersh and Frank Black 7"s, but you can't have everything.

Volume 12 is out this week, as well.  Have only listened to bits, there
seems to be a good mixture of dance, pop, rock and experimentation.
There's a new Laika song ("Lower than Stars"), which is OK but not up to
the album's standard, and also Spiritualized, EAR, Moby, Nitzer Ebb,
Prolapse, and a lot of bands I have never heard of, which is a good
thing.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:33:30 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: light show in the sky


if anybody on this list is still up this wednesday morning
and wants to see some meteors, the geminid meteor shower is at a peak
right now. i've seen lots from the middle of LA with the nearly full
moon up, so it must be pretty active. the radiant point is overhead
right now, so all the falling stars will appear to be really falling.
you're bound to see one within several minutes. so bundle up for the
cold, get outside, and look up.

this astronomical public service message brought to you by

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 |  you can't chop down symmetry
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:31:00 GMT
From: Paul Rankine (Paul_Rankine_at_Not-Cop4%ccmail@X400MAIL.NOT.PS.NET)
Subject: Muses new one


     Someone asked about the Muses new single 'Bright Yellow gun'.  Ive
     heard it a few times now, and its a typical earlier style of Throwing
     Muses, but, I have to say, a bit on the repetative side.

     They were also live on 'The Word' (a really naff late night 'yoof' TV
     show in the UK) and they were dreadful, so this has probably put me
     off the track for a while.

     DOes anyone know where I can get CT bootlegs or videos in the UK ??

     There has been mention here of a band 'Autechre' who sound
     interesting.  Can anyone supply a disco of them, and label details,
     thanks.

     To join in the HNIA recent discussion..personally I feel Home is in
     your Head is the weakest release (Mouth by Mouth restored my faith in
     them) as it was very patchy and inconsistent.  I wont go any further
     in any criticism, for fear of *k-j* ....love & peace & seasons
     greetings !!

     Also my 2p worth on the 911 sampling...We have all questioned the
     artists decision to include it, but I would question the decision to
     make such a call and its contents public.  Are 911 calls public domain
     ??  Where is society going when a persons last, desperate plea for
     help is made publis for people to sample ??.  I dont blame Lisa ( but
     perhaps question her decision) but blame the people who made this
     public and available for others to use.

     Cheers

     Paul

     

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:48:14 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ...stars are in my head...


On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Paul Rankine wrote:

>      To join in the HNIA recent discussion..personally I feel Home is in
>      your Head is the weakest release (Mouth by Mouth restored my faith in
>      them) as it was very patchy and inconsistent.  I wont go any further
>      in any criticism, for fear of *k-j* ....love & peace & seasons
>      greetings !!

  no...please please please go into further criticism. i derive a
  great amount of pleasure from thorough, well-thought discussions
  about livonia & hiiyh...i might even start my 4AD Rejects Club
  type critiques on this very list of ours if we really get into
  talking about these albums...

  *k-j* ...up this late on a wednesday morning and all i see
        outside are fluffy clouds, while my doggie drags one toy
        after another to my feet as a means of saying "play with
        me..pwetty pwease?"...

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:43:12 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Autechre

              94 09:31:00 am

Paul Rankine  wrote:
>
>      There has been mention here of a band 'Autechre' who sound
>      interesting.  Can anyone supply a disco of them, and label details,
>      thanks.
>

Autechre are a techno band, pure and simple (well, not all that simple,
but fairly pure).  Signed to Warp in the UK, they have released:

(Artificial Intelligence) - two tracks on compilation of Warp artists.
Incunabula - album
Basscadet - single - 7 remixes of "Incunabula" track on CD and 10"
  vinyl.  Includes a mix by Seefeel.
(Artificial Intelligence II) - one track.
Anti - EP - Three non-album tracks, 25 minutes.
Amber - album

"Incunabula" is very atmospheric and dark-sounding, most of the other
stuff is more rhythmic.  I think "Incunabula" has been released in the
USA, and "Amber" will be next year, but don't quote me on that.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:51:21 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: volume 12 band/track listing?


  could someone post it in full? i'll ask someone to buy it for me
  regardless of what else is on it besides the laika track, but
  i am curious to know what else is on the disc....

  *k* ...if the dog steps on the power switch, i'm fryin' her
      stuffed baby bear...


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:23:51 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


Sorry but i *HAD* to do this...
Actually, I should mention, I guess, that this might offend some people,
but it's all in good fun...

 einexile



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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:05:45 +0100
From: Craig Keller (lights@lydian.scranton.com)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 22:00:01 -0400
From: ETZ (bwe107@psu.edu)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


>
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>>
>>>
>>>> jxk126@psuvm.psu.edu, elb124, jjg145, sak140
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thought you would enjoy this.
>>>>>
>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>
>>>>>ellen,
>>>>>    for good luck and lust.
>>>>>         chiara
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought you might like to read this!
>>>>>Jess
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 29 Sep 1994, Riva Kim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT)
>>>>>> From: Gabriel Biller 
>>>>>> To: rivakim@fas
>>>>>> Subject: The answer... (fwd)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:18:36 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>>> From:sarahkim@merle.acns.nwu.edu
>>>>>> To: gbiller@fas
>>>>>> Subject: The answer...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarded message:
>>>>>> >From kepfeife@artsci.wustl.edu Wed Sep 28 01:45 CDT 1994
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 01:39:58 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>>> From: Kate Elizabeth Pfeifer 
>>>>>> Subject: Enjoy.... (fwd)
>>>>>> To: epritter@artsci.wustl.edu
>>>>>> Cc: slp118@lulu.acns.nwu.edu, sarahkim@merle.acns.nwu.edu,
>>>>>>         shkastri@artsci.wustl.edu, linn@simon.wustl.edu,
>>>>>>         jirons@leland.stanford.edu, bermann@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu,
>>>>>>         brinkerh@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu, mlevinsk@smith.smith.edu,
>>>>>>         98jca@williams.edu
>>>>>> Message-Id: 
>>>>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>>>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 23:38:56 PDT
>>>>>> From: Evan Michael Jacover 
>>>>>> To: "Edwin G. Gillan" ,
>>>>>>     Ira Lichtenstein ,
>>>>>>     Kate the Pfeif 
>>>>>> Subject: Enjoy....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarded Message:
>>>>>> From:MLEVINSK@smith.smith.eduDate: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 23:36:04 -0500
>>>>>> (EST)
>>>>>> Subject: Emily Futransky gave this to me...
>>>>>> To: emj5@columbia.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From:     IN%"emilykb@merle.acns.nwu.edu" 27-SEP-1994 21:08:26.46
>>>>>> To:       IN%"mlevinsk@smith.smith.edu"
>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>> Subj:     Forwarded mail.... (fwd)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Return-path: 
>>>>>> Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by SMITH (PMDF V4.3-7 #5486)
>>>>>>  id <01HHMD1N2M9C99KXN2@SMITH>; Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:07:27 EST
>>>>>> Received: from [129.105.35.122] (libsta122.acns.nwu.edu)
>>>>>>  by merle.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/20.1) id AA132623902; Tue,
>>>>>>  27 Sep 1994 19:58:23 -0500
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:57:49 +0100
>>>>>> From: emilykb@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Emily Futransky)
>>>>>> Subject: Forwarded mail.... (fwd)
>>>>>> To: mlevinsk@smith.smith.edu
>>>>>> Message-id: <199409280058.AA132623902@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
>>>>>> X-Envelope-to: mlevinsk
>>>>>> MIME-version: 1.0
>>>>>> Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:14:37 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>>> >From: nitzkin ivy debra 
>>>>>> >To: emily futransky 
>>>>>> >Subject: Forwarded mail.... (fwd)
>>>>>> >Mime-Version: 1.0
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> >Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:25:19 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>> >From: stuart b nitzkin 
>>>>>> >To: Ivy Nitzkin 
>>>>>> >Subject: Forwarded mail....
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 21:41:10 EDT
>>>>>> >From: BFINKEL@ucs.indiana.edu
>>>>>> >To: snitzkin@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu
>>>>>> >Subject:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >From:   PRISM::SMAYER       "q" 26-SEP-1994 20:02:10.53
>>>>>> >To:     BFINKEL
>>>>>> >CC:
>>>>>> >Subj:   sex
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >From:   PO1::"LBS4489@EXODUS.VALPO.EDU" 26-SEP-1994 18:19:03.75
>>>>>> >To:     smayer@indiana.edu
>>>>>> >CC:
>>>>>> >Subj:   sex
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >From:   SMTP%"namaurer@students.wisc.edu" 26-SEP-1994 16:56:57.45
>>>>>> >To:     LBS4489
>>>>>> >CC:
>>>>>> >Subj:   Forwarded mail... (fwd)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:49:35 -0500
>>>>>> >Message-Id: <199409262149.QAA77182@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>>>>>> >To: LBS4489@exodus.valpo.edu
>>>>>> >From: namaurer@students.wisc.edu (Noah Anthony Maurer)
>>>>>> >Subject: Forwarded mail... (fwd)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Subject: SEX
>>>>>> >>          WITH SEX ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE
>>>>>> >>          This paper has been sent to you for good luck.  The
>>original has
>>>>>> >>been worn out from having passed through the hands of so many
>people.  It
>>>>>> >>has travelled around the world 70 times [Dear Reader: please help keep
>>>this
>>>>>> >> count current.  If this letter falls into your hands after just
>>>completing
>>>>>> >> one more circuit of the world, please add one to the count.]
>>>>>> >>  The luck has now been sent to you.  You will experience great sex
>>>>>> >> within four days of receiving this letter, provided you send it on.
>>Since
>>>>>> >>the copy must tour the world, you must make ten copies and send them to
>>>>>> >> others.  This is no joke.  Send no money.  Send copies to people who
>>need
>>>>>> >> to get laid within 96 hours.
>>>>>> >>          After he passed this letter on, a Montana Spinach Control
>>>Officer
>>>>>> >>got his penis stuck in a cow-milking machine and had the longest
>>series of
>>>>>> >> orgasms of his life.  John Elliot tried to pick up a prositute, but,
>>>>>> >>>because
>>>>>> >> he broke the chain, was picked up by the police instead. When they
>>>>searched
>>>>>> >> his home, they found magazines of little boys which they showed to his
>>>>>> >> neighbours.  In a suburb of Paris, Don Loray's trousers were ripped
>>by an
>>>>>> >> unsatisfied erection, 51 days after failing to circulate the letter.
>>>>>> >> However, before this happened, a condom machine gave him three
>>>>>>condoms
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >> the price of one.  (was this the consolation prize?)
>>>>>> >>    Do note the following:  Hebert Pudstrom received the chain in
>>>>>> >>1953.He asked his secretary to make ten copies and send them out.  A
>few
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> >> later he encountered her in a red-light district making more than
>he had
>>>>>> >> every paid her at work.  General George Patton, who sent the letter
>>>>on, saw
>>>>>> >> what he thought was a quarter in the street.  When he bent down to
>>>pick it
>>>>>> >> up, a beautiful woman in a miniskirt walked by, and he got a great
>view.
>>>>>> >> His aide, Colonel Roger Bumswiver, who did not pass on the letter,
>tried
>>>>>> >> to pick up a similar object but was fucked up the ass by a
>desperate gay
>>>>>> >>when he bent over.  Heywood Daddit, an unemployed chicken choker,
>>>>>> received
>>>>>> >> the letter and forgot that it had to leave his hands within 96 hours.
>>>>>> >>         His wife then went bowling with his best friend and never
>>>>>> >>returned. Later, after finding the letter again, he mailed ten copies.
>>>>>>
>>>>A few
>>>>>> >>days later he got a wife and discovered that his old wife, who he
>>>>thought was
>>>>>> >> wonderful, had made love to him like a dead salmon for all these
>>>>>>years!
>>>>>> >> Alan Fairchild received the letter and, not believing, threw the
>>>>>>letter
>>>>>> >> away.  Nine days later he spilled hot coffee in his crotch.
>>>>>> >>    In 1987 the letter received by a young woman in Texas was faded
>>>>>> >>and barely readable, so she did not realize that this paragraph
>>applied to
>>>>>> >>her.
>>>>>> >> She promised herself she would retype the letter and send it on,
>but she
>>>>>> >> put it aside to do later.  She was plagued with problems including
>>herpes
>>>>>> >> and other venereal diseases she contracted in her futile attempts to
>>find
>>>>>> >> Mr. Right in a singles bar.  The letter did not leave her hands in 96
>>>>>> >>hours.  She finally typed the letter and found a man with a 10-inch
>>penis.
>>>>>> >>       You must distribute at least ten copies within 96 hours of
>>>>>> >> receiving this letter.  Those who do will find their love lives more
>>>>>> >> fulfilling.  Those who do not will be doomed to one-night stands with
>>>>>> >> mechanical devices.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>~+~+~+~+~+~+~
>>>>Tierney Lyons
>>>>*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>CraigStoutCraigStoutCraigStoutCraig..
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:57:48 -0500
From: The Purple Sage (purp@PCNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:

> Sorry but i *HAD* to do this...
> Actually, I should mention, I guess, that this might offend some people,
> but it's all in good fun...

that is twisted...

twisted, but funny...

purp



Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:14:17 EST
From: alan kent daniel (adaniel@ENG.CLEMSON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses


for anyone interested, i have a copy of the new disc and may be able to get     
nother copy for someone else for about ten dollars, including shipping.  you
can e-mail me at adaniel@eng.clemson.edu.
also for slowdive fans, there is a new band on silent records called closedown
whose disc 'nearfield' is very good and sounds similiar to a mix between both
of the slowdive records.  if you like slowdive, i highly recomend this band.

alan


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:59:26 -0500
From: Tim Earp (TE2961S@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Four Calendar Cafe


I would like to second Lisa's opinions regarding 4CC.
I don't think it is an inferior album (cd/tape?) and enjoy it quite a bit. I
find it has a much "cleaner" and "airier" sound than previous releases. It
sounds well thought out and like they took some time to put it together.
Im going to go out on a limb and say that I think the reason it got panned was
because people didn't think it was as "dense" sounding as previous recordings. I
hink it still has the same amount of layers as before, they're just more defined
 They're cleaner sounding layers. Before the layers ran together and you
couldn't tell the differences. Now for some that is a preference that would make
 big difference, but to me, I like the change. Bands evolve and evidently the
Twins want a cleaner, more atmospheric sound.

So...that's all I wanted to say.
Thanks for your time.

Tim

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:33:16 -0800
From: Jason Schmit (jschmit@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk


The comments about _Hex_ seem to be coming from people who haven't listened
to the album very carefully.  This is not a flame, merely an observation.
Bark Psychosis have evolved from a band that has indulged in the aesthetics
of noise on _Independency_ to a more subdued, moody ambience that pervades
_Hex_.  They've gone from guitar bliss-out to a jazz-like minimalism which
is where my comparison to Talk Talk comes in.  _Spirit Of Eden_ & _Laughing
Stock_ (the last 2 Talk Talk albums) are both stunning examples of a band
going from throwaway pop to a sound which has such feeling to it.  It's as
if Mark Hollis & Tim Friese-Greene came to some sort of realization and
found Talk Talk's "true" sound.  Bark Psychosis have cited Talk Talk as
a big influence which can definitely be heard on _Hex_ with it's variety of
percussion and basslines.  I don't understand the criticism of BP's vocals.
They are nothing brilliant but certainly do not ruin the music.  If anything,
they are mixed right at the level of the music so they don't really stand out.
The singer's voice is far from annoying as I can name a dozen vocalists whose
delivery make me cringe (Robert Smith, Morrissey, Perry Farrell...).

Any other fans of Bark Psychosis and/or late-period Talk Talk out there?

Jason
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:46:36 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Bark Psychosis & Talk Talk


  I agree with Jason.  The Spirit of Eden album is great.  It caught
most people, who remember Talk Talk as "It's My Life", by surprise and
turned most of them off.  I can't remember the name of the song, but
its the 2nd song on one of the sides...one of my all-time favorites.

  There is at least one song on Hex that sounds like it could have come
straight from Spirit of Eden.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:47:19 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


In message Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:57:48 -0500,
  The Purple Sage   writes:

> On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, vilexile wrote:
>
>
>> Sorry but i *HAD* to do this...
>>    Actually, I should mention, I guess, that this might offend some
>> people,  but it's all in good fun...

Couldn't you have edited out all those (FWD) addresses?
It took forever to get through them... (realize that half a minute is
forever for me).

> that is twisted...
>
> twisted, but funny...

Thats nothing.  You want something twisted, then e-mail me for something
Coolio.

     -jOHN


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:42:38 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: volume 12 band/track listing?


Does anyone have a habit of collecting Kelli-Jeanne's signature lines?
I've become convinced that, in their entirety, they form an epic poem on
the scale of the Illiad.

-Brad


On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   could someone post it in full? i'll ask someone to buy it for me
>   regardless of what else is on it besides the laika track, but
>   i am curious to know what else is on the disc....
>
>   *k* ...if the dog steps on the power switch, i'm fryin' her
>       stuffed baby bear...
>

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:51:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens_alfke@POWERTALK.APPLE.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander


missy pepper  asks:
>Why have the critics downplayed this album as inferior to Victorialand-era
>recordings? I think i am fairly well versed in CT history, and i think
>this is just a new direction, not necessarily an inferior one.
>What do you think?

Because the music is an even more watered-down version of what they've been
doing for the past seven or eight years -- i.e. it makes Love Spirals
Downwards seem brilliantly original -- and primarily because the new
intelligible lyrics are some of the most cringingly awful new-age psycho
babble I've ever heard. Hearing that kind of imbecility come out of Liz's
golden throat made me feel ill. Quite disillusioning.

On the other hand, I enjoyed Liz's contributions to the Future Sound Of
London's "Lifeforms Paths 1-7" album. A must-buy.

Jens Alfke ________ OpenDoc Mnemonist _______ jens_alfke@powertalk.apple.com
                                                      NewtonMail: Jens Alfke
The stars are so big, the earth is so small
                         ...stay as you are


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:07:20 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: Re: 4ad catalogue


2 days ago i wrote:

> > It must be possible to download/review
> > the 4ad catalogue (incl. order prices) from/at some server...
> > I was trying the 4ad-l server but couldn't find any catalogue_file.
> > Browsing through http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html gives the same results.
> >
Erikas answered:   (thank you!)

> I don't think anyone has the 4ad catalog on-line. What some record
> companies want to do is link the Eyesore database (at least on evo.org)
> to their pages on a title by title basis. So you'd be able to click on a
> particular album and automatically be given the price and availability,
> as well as an opportunity to order, from one of the record companies on
> the 'net. It's a neat idea, but a bit too commercial for my tastes.
> Anyone think it would / wouldn't be worthwhile looking into?
>
i agree, this might be too commercial an idea! but it is certainly worthwhile
to implement. some people do not like to go shopping downtown around Xmas,
for example...

 See these american companies (CDconnection, CDeurope, CDnow,...) they offer
 on-line selling service. The last one i mention has a really userfriendly
 on-line shop. That's a pitty they don't have much material from 4AD. That's
 also a pitty there is not a similar companie (as far as i know) in Europe. It
 would make it cheaper for people this side of the Atlantic.

have fun around Xmas!

carlos


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:08:31 -0600
From: Brian M Miller (mubmm2@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Merry X-mas

              4ad 

                                *
                               ***
                              *****
                             *******
                            *********
                           ***********
                          *************
                         ***************
                        *****************
                               III
                               III


MERRY CHRISTMAS...FROM ME TO YOU!!!!

HAVE A GOOD NEW YEAR!!!!


MILLER

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:18:47 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto


> this is important because TNT did an amazing production of "Wuthering
> Heights" with Ralph Finnes and Juliette Binoche. It was astouniding.
> Heights" with Ralph Finnes and Juliette Binoche. It was astouniding.
> Heights" with Ralph Finnes and Juliette Binoche. It was astouniding.
> (excuse my puter,It's being bad...)
> anyway, the music is breathtaking. The movie is so good. I'm a die-hard
> Laurence Olivier person, but these people are PERFECT. The direction was
> amazingly better than the 40's version. Much more emphesis on the supernatural
> forces that bound Cathy and Heathcliff together.

That's Ryuichi Sakamoto?  Wow! I hadn't heard anything about it!  (that's
what I get for watching only using the TV for star trek...)

Do you know if it'll be re-broadcasted?

FOr those of you who are interested, Ryuichi Sakamoto also did the
soundtrack for "Oneamisu no Tsuaba" (Wings of Honneamise), an exquisitely
animated feature film, which was dubbed (YUCK!!!!) and is making its way
around to various theatres in the U.S. right now... go see it.

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
                            "All done, all done"

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:22:45 -0500
From: "Sgt. Tibbs" (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: LOW, Disco-Inferno, Ecstacy of St. Theresa, SeeFeel


Meow.

Monday I got the best two mix-tapes I have ever seen.
Side one was Disco Inferno's "DI go POP"
Side two was LOW's "I could live for hope"
Side three was Bark Psychosis's "Independency"
and Side four was Seefeel (various singles) and EOST's "Astrala Vista"

So here are my questions and comments I have formulated in the past day:

Could someone PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE tell me ALL about Disco Inferno and LOW?
Discography?  DI are so wonderfully weird, while LOW is so darn... low.
If you haven't heard their song "fear", then yr really missing out.
With lyrics like:

"if you see my daughter/ Don't tell her I'm scared / 40 days without water/
 feel my hands on her head"

I can't believe I have been missing out on this.  It's all I've been
listening to since I got it.  For those who have yet to hear them, they
sound like a minimalist bass meets drums meets
guitar-with-bright-brand-new-strings with this guy who has the strong yet
twee voice.  He sounds like of Trent Reznor, only more gentle and sincere...

Ok.  As for the other tape, I was kinda disappointed by Seefeel and EOST.
I had heard countless times on this list that they were very (I can't
believe I'm going to use this word... I already hate myself for thinking it)
"shoe-gaze-y".  When it actually is quite ambient... which is also good, but
not what I expected.  I know both bands kinda changed their sound, but
wasn't there a time when they played guitars?  Eitherway, they are both
brilliant, and I love them to death (even though i was suprised).
Could someone also send me more info about them?

Oh yeah... ORANG was on there as well, with a song called Orang.  Is this
the band on the dewdrops lable?  Brant?  Just wondering.

     -jOHN pulling out my fur by the mouthful


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:44:59 -0500
From: Bryan M (NWND%IUP.BITNET@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: red house painters lyrics


4AD-er's
         to all interested...i am nearly finnished with my very amateur
transcription of the lyrics of the red house painters...anyone curious ...
or just wanna compare translations feel free to drop a line....
-where angels mend
 and mothers get to spend their sundays and holidays-mark

                         peace......from afghanistan at nwnd@grove.iup.edu


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:12:55 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


  so e....have any luck?


  the next time you forward something like that..clean it up
  a bit! sheesh..80 pages of mail headers before you get to the mail...


  ;) *k* ...my mom has visited every record store in the vicinity and
         every clerk she encountered swears there is no box set for
         toward the within...except for the kid @ sam goody's in the mall..

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:03:38 -0600
From: Angela M Bartoszewicz (angieb@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4 calanders for my collander

              Dec 14, 94 10:51:39 am

>
>Because the music is an even more watered-down version of what they've been
>doing for the past seven or eight years -- i.e. it makes Love Spirals
>Downwards seem brilliantly original -- and primarily because the new
>intelligible lyrics are some of the most cringingly awful new-age psycho
>babble I've ever heard. Hearing that kind of imbecility come out of Liz's
>golden throat made me feel ill. Quite disillusioning.
>


I must agree that at first, being able to understand the lyrics was rather
disappointing but after talking to Simon about the new album, the lyrics are
touching and far from "new-age psycho babble" and "imbecility"!  He told me
that the album is all about the counseling the band went through together
during Robin's addiction problems which were affecting the band.  To me,
knowing that and giving it another listen was enough to move me!  I agree
the music seems too "polished" at times but they still remain THE most
amazing band -- so give them the respect the deserve!!!!!

And flame on....

Ang

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:49:46 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto


I did say Sunday, 17 December @ 7pm, didn't i?
sorry, couldn't remember if i had gotten the date right!
lisa

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:47:57 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights by Sakamoto


Heffalump wrote about Wuthering Heights...

> That's Ryuichi Sakamoto?  Wow! I hadn't heard anything about it!  (that's
> what I get for watching only using the TV for star trek...)
>
> Do you know if it'll be re-broadcasted?
>
> FOr those of you who are interested, Ryuichi Sakamoto also did the
> soundtrack for "Oneamisu no Tsuaba" (Wings of Honneamise), an exquisitely
> animated feature film, which was dubbed (YUCK!!!!) and is making its way
> around to various theatres in the U.S. right now... go see it.
>
As far as my little TV chronilog says, it will be on at 7pm time for Houston
on TNT. Um, so that would be 8pm for the East Coast? for the rest of you,
i have no idea!

Sakamoto also did the soundtracks to Wild Palms, High Heels, and numerous
others, not to mention some great work with David Sylvian. I don't really care
for his solo stuff though...

                                lisa, who is wondering why she is
                                      the only one who dosen't like StarTrek?

Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:10:45 -0800
From: Bradford Chamberlain (brad@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yucky mail...(fwd)


I think that we should cull all the names out of the headers and ask them
all if they're gettin' any... :)

-Brad

PS -- Sorry, sorry..  I'll be good from now on.



On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, * kelli-jeanne * wrote:

>   the next time you forward something like that..clean it up
>   a bit! sheesh..80 pages of mail headers before you get to the mail...


Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:56:19 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: 4 collander coffee ( so thick the spoon stnds up :-) )


Old fans of the CT, like them for their work which came before, so new
a direction is bound to alienate them( i.e. it's not more of what they
like).  I agree with you; FCC is a good album.  Most people would
consider it to be a pop album, which I would, too, if REM is pop also.
For some reason REM's Green comes to mind.  I think TPO is their best
though, but it is sort of a greatest hits anyway.  I wonder if the
Beatles lost any of their earlier fans as they took their music in new
directions?  I kind of doubt it, but maybe The White Album shook some
off.  Fans of thislisty music are bound to see them moving away to
more of a commercial( broad appeal) sound and thus hold a lower
opinion.  I like pop, however, and the CT probably now have a greater
number of fans as a result.  I never used to hear the CT played in
public, but now I since FCC I have heard them played at a supermarket
near me, and Winter WonderLand is played at the GAP, while Frosty The
Snowman is available on a Christmas CD with the Beach Boys, Dean
Martin, Elmo and Patsy, George Thouroughgood, and it's featured at
Tower at the headphones listening display.  The day is at hand when
you can say you like the CT to people and not hear "Oh, they had that
song "Doctor Doctor", right?".

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:27:41 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: WTB: Cocteau Twins' "Snow"


Did they rerelease it?


Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:25:28 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@ORI.U-TOKYO.AC.JP)
Subject: LUSH Cookie


Now I have LUSH _Cookie_ in my hand.

I said that the cover was nice....
In fact, it's NOT so nice... ;)
Title included is:

1. white wood (4.34)
2. girl's world (4.56)
3. lovelife (suga bullit remix) (8.15)
4. love at first sight (5.12)
5. cat's chorus (3.23)
6. undertow (spooky remix) (9.13)

1.-3. is from 'Desire Line'EP and 4.-6. is from 'Hypocrite'EP.
Nothing new.

masaya



Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:19:55 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: industry/band contacts anyone?

              4AD-L@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU

Hello!

Well, the My Bloody Valentine HyperCard stack I posted about a couple of
weeks ago is pretty much done. It's simple point and click navigation, and
also has the ability to print out articles on the band as well as 4 music
videos and 2 short interviews that I digitized from "The Story of Creation"
video. I think it looks spiffy and is a great visual representation of the
band's music. I demoed it today in class and people seemed to like it for
the most part even though only one person in the room had ever heard of them....

I plan to press a CD-ROM of it over the Xmas break, and I want to send a
copy to the band and also their A&R rep at Island. My question to all of you:

Does anyone have personal contacts with friends or the band or band members
themselves? Or if you work for a record company and are reading this, do you
know who their rep at Island Records is?

Please respond via email.

Thanks!
--Brendon
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