Subject: Wanted: Sufi info
Subject: a.r. kane q.u. estion
Subject: Poll. Poll! Poll!!!
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sufi info
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!) Yo! What up Slick?!!
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid for sale?
Subject: Koolio is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sufi info
Subject: Re: Felt
Subject: Re: Felt
Subject: A. R. Kane discog. addn's (was ...Sufi Info)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid for sale?
Subject: subscription info
Subject: FSOL
Subject: Re: Felt
Subject: Loreena McKennitt
Subject: 4ad catalogue
Subject: More for ARKane Discog
Subject: Re: 4ad catalogue
Subject: ILSA Germano
Subject: A R Kane
Subject: Re: Felt
Subject: Lisa Germano "Psychopath" sample
Subject: Re: a.r. kane q.u. estion
Subject: hnia _mouth by mouth_ import and domestic
Subject: stuff for sale (rare 4ad...)
Subject: help... v23 and arcana number needed...
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Subject: Lush Interview
Subject: FELT
Subject: Re: help... v23 and arcana number needed...
Subject: 3 uninteresting cds for sale
Subject: Throwing Muses
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:00:07 -0500
Jens Alfke's post on Ambient 4 "Isolationism" (Virgin) lists a track from
Sufi [Rudi from AR Kane]. If anyone knows of a full length or has more info
on this or any other AR Kane side project, please e-mail me some info. (Might
someone possess an AR Kane discog?)
Thanks in advance, 19.
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 02:33:04 -0800
I actually got *laughed* at recently for asking if you could still get
half this stuff. Why is it all out of print? _69_ is absolutely
incredible.
einexile
(no i am *NOT* reading anything important)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:04:21 +0100
You still have a couple of days to get your votes in, so that we can
see What We Like. I'm always a bit surprised, myself.
Below are the instructions. Below the below is a list of things that
4AD released this year, and I forgot to include last time.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE.
So it's time for the year-end poll. To decrease the amount of work I
have to do, I must insist on that people follow the annoying rules
beneath. The tallying process will not be touched by human hands - it
will all be done by A Big Computer, and you know how stupid they are.
Here are the rules:
1) There are five categories.
a) Your favourite release from 4AD this year.
b) Your favourite release from 4AD ever.
c) Your favourite band on 4AD ever.
d) Your favourite release not from 4AD this year.
e) The most disappointing release this year, on 4AD or off.
Vote in any or all of these categories.
2) You have ten points to hand out *in*each*category*. Let's take
category d) as an example:
---- EXAMPLE ---------
d)
4 Phothished - Stupid
1 Cabaret Artaud - The Monologue
2 Russian Astronaut Dog - Self Titled
3 Sick muze - Twist'n'Sequence
---- EXAMPLE END -----
As you can see, the points cleverly add up to 10.
2) All the categories have to be formatted exactly like you see
above. Start with the category ("a)", "b)", etc), then your votes with
the points first, group name second and release name third.
2) Any votes that do not follow that format will confuse my poor
computer.
2) There are four rules named "2".
3) Send your votes to '[email protected]'. Do not send them to this
list.
4) Your votes have to be in before Dec. 15.
List of releases from 4AD this year:
Kristin Hersh - Your Ghost
Kristin Hersh - Hips and Makers
Lisa Germano - Inconsiderate Bitch
Red House Painters - Shock Me
The Glee Club - Mine
Lisa Germano - Happiness
Insides - Clear Skin
Kristin Hersh - Strings
Frank Black - Headache
Lush - Hypocrite
Frank Black - Teenager of the Year
Lush - Desire Lines
Lush - Split
The Breeders - Head to Toe
Pale Saints - Fine Friend
Pale Saints - Slow Buildings
Various - All Virgos Are Mad
Dead Can Dance - Towards the Within
Lisa Germano - Geek the Girl
Throwing Muses - Bright Yellow Gun
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
[email protected] * Lars Ingebrigtsen
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:12:29 -0500
In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:27:07 -0800,
* kelli-jeanne *
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 10:28:51 -0800
> AR Kane
> Here's a very basic discog [no doubt incomplete]:
I can add one more:
"Love Sick" EP [Rough Trade UK]
and of course there's the M/A/R/R/S EP collaboration with
Colourbox.
brant
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:46:11 -0500
In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:25:00 -0500,
Gil Gershman
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:50:48 +0000
94 09:29:16 am
Jens Alfke Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:39:02 -0500
For all those who expressed interest (or were thinking of it) the Spoonfed
Hybrid is sold already. Thank you for showing interest.
-cz
>Did someone say they had a copy of Spoonfed Hybrid that they were seeking
>to unload? (Sorry for the utter uselessness of this post to anyone other
>than me and the potential seller)
>
>--
>Chris Schachte
>[email protected]
>
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:44:14 -0500
my significant other (sgt. tibbs) wrote:
In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:07:26 -0800,
Heffalump oinked:
>> > What about DRINK DRESS AND INK!!!??? What a Koolio song! And same
>> with IN
>
> This is the wrong list for Koolio, folkz.
>
Haven't you heard? Koolio is laying down the rhythm on the new Cocteau
Twins ep. Right after finishes mixing the MBV full length album.
-jOHN slide slide slippity slide
you better be ready when the 5ive roll by -koolio
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 09:30:12 -0800
On Sun, 11 Dec 1994 [email protected] wrote:
> Jens Alfke's post on Ambient 4 "Isolationism" (Virgin) lists a track from
> Sufi [Rudi from AR Kane]. If anyone knows of a full length or has more info
> on this or any other AR Kane side project, please e-mail me some info. (Might
> someone possess an AR Kane discog?)
Here's a very basic discog [no doubt incomplete]:
"Lolita" EP [4AD UK]
"Up" EP [Rough Trade UK]
_Sixty-Nine_ [Rough Trade]
_i_ [Rough Trade UK]
"Rem'i'xes" EP [Rough Trade UK]
_Americana_ [Luaka Bop]
_New Clear Child_ [Luaka Bop]
_Americana_ collects tracks from the two Rough Trade albums and a few
singles [I can't remember them all]; it's a nice sampler, but get your
hands on the albums. _New Clear Child_ just came out this year,
after a five-year break [to hell with the Stone Roses; THIS is what
I've been waiting for!] for the band.
As for side projects, there is a single by Inrain on Rough Trade UK
which you'll want to find--it's Rudi with Alison Shaw of the Cranes.
Still haven't heard it myself.
Ned Raggett
[email protected]
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:28:47 -0500
[email protected] asked about Felt . . .
I liked this group early on, when they were recording singles and EPs
for Cherry red. They had a vaguely Lou Reedish-sounding singer and
pretty full-sounding, acoustic-heavy instrumentals, with well-emphasized guitars
They've always been a quiet group, though their tone could be kind of dramatic.
Like many bands that were on Cherry Red (e.g., the Monochrome
Set), they could easily have done a '60s movie soundtrack.
My favorite song of theirs is "My Face Is On Fire," found on the Cherry
Red compilation, _Pillows & Prayers_. I also went out and
bought the _Penelope Tree_ EP, which is interesting as quiet background music.
I have a "greatest hits" Felt record, _Gold Mind Trash_ (PVC Records,
1987) (with lush, arty 4AD-ish jacket sleeve), which I found in the bargain bin.
Again, the quality that stuck out most was a fullness in the acoustic sounds
(and also the drumming), and it was all very pleasant, though nothing really
grabbed me. They also can be given credit for trying a lot of different
things -- it's hard to pinpoint exactly what they were after.
This became especially true in their '88 album, _The Pictorial Jackson
Review_ (Creation Records), which was the last release of theirs that I
bought. The most interesting song on this record was a long,
jazzy piano-based instrumental that seemed to have come out of nowhere,
at least for someone like myself, who'd been familiar with their earlier
material. (I'd be curious to see opinions from someone familiar with
later Felt, who might have a better perspective on how they developed.)
At any rate, for what it's worth, I liked them but didn't love them. If
you see _Gold Mine Trash_ or _The Pictorial Jackson Review_ for a good
price, it's worth picking up -- at least they did a few
interesting things and avoided following any formulas . . .
-- Richard Singer
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:59:25 -0800
Felt was great for most of their 10-year career. Toward
the end they got a bit spotty (i'm thinking everything
after _poem of the river_, although _the pictorial jackson
review_ is ok). What I'd highly recommend is _Foerver Breathes
The Lonely Word_, which comes pretty close to being a masterpiece
in my book. Also extraordinary is _Ignite The Seven Cannons_
with what might be their best song ever, "Primitive Painters".
The whole album is Robin-Guthrie-produced, and you can sort
of tell. I haven't listened to _The Strange Idols Pattern_ as much
as these other two, but it's starting to strike me as
another brilliant record. Going further back, _The Splendour
Of Fear_ has a few interesting tracks, but nothing to lose
sleep over if you don't have it. The first album, _Crumbling The
Antiseptic Beauty_ is nice and as far as I remember, mostly
instrumental, but I'm not too familiar with it. I think you can
still get the first two albums together on one CD, as you can
with the next two. Between _...Cannons_ and _Forever Breathes..._
came _Let The Snakes Crinkle Their Heads To Death_ which is
an incredibly short set of instrumentals with a lot of variety
and it probably shows the band at their most creative moment.
There are several other EPs scattered around in there.
Their sound? Lou Reed, sort of crooning style vocals;
great-great-great guitars, at least until Maurice Deebank left;
very cool organ playing, starting with _...Cannons_ (i think).
Popsongs alternating with some of the best instrumentals of all
time. Plus you have to love how Lawrence uses the same damn
vocal phrasing and inflection on *a lot* of the songs! It never
fails to amuse me.
So who is Penelope Tree? I remember her name being mentioned in some
article about waifish models, and I was surprised the song title
referred to a real person.
(and this one is *really* trivial)
Who's who on the cover of _Let The Snakes..._?
brant
"we might as well just stay in our rooms until we die"
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:43:02 -0500
While the A. R. Kane discography is being built (anyone taking notes? :-)
) let's not forget the "When You're Sad" single on One Little Indian,
IMHO an excellent record. Also there was a MARRS (A-side!)-style single,
"Listen Up!" which (as I recall) in an amusing turn samples a bit of Bomb the
Bass' "Beat Dis." --Tom
[email protected]
Department of Economics
University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:12:11 -0500
<4AD-L%[email protected]>
Did someone say they had a copy of Spoonfed Hybrid that they were seeking
to unload? (Sorry for the utter uselessness of this post to anyone other
than me and the potential seller)
--
Chris Schachte
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:06:02 -0600
i have a friend who wants to subscribe, and has been trying, but can't.
could someone pretty please re-post the address to send subscription
requests?
thanks!
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:39:16 +0000
94 01:47:57 pm
Richard Singer Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:55:55 -0500
A somewhat comprehensive overview of Felt's recordings can be gotten via
their rather pretentiously titled "Absolute Classic Masterpieces" -- a
sort of 'best of' released in 1991 or 92 (can't remember). It includes
selections from the bands various releases over the years, as well as teh
very first (and really laughable) recording done at home by Lawrence
way back when. There are some rather lengthy liner notes as well, that
give the history of the band and a little discography.
I always got the impression that Felt were something like Lou Reed (good call
on the vocals) meets Cocteau Twins. Not always. Liz does appear on the
track "Primitive Painters" (good tune). Liz and Robin also met Simon
while attending a Felt concert. (trivialities...)
Mike
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:39:34 GMT
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:40:53 MEZ
Hi!
It must be possible to download/review
the 4ad catalogue (incl. order prices) from/at some server...
I was trying the 4ad-l server but couldn't find any catalogue_file.
Browsing through http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html gives the same results.
Would somebody out there help me? thanks a lot!
carlos
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:19:03 -0500
I`ve got a 12-inch that I call ``When You`re Sad``. The sleeve conveniently
doesn`t list tracks or titles and if you recognize names, you can figure out
the credits buried in the artwork. This came out on One Little Indian
immediately after Lollita / MARRS, right after their disagreements with Ivo
on how their contribution to MARRS was handled. The tracks are :
When You`re Sad (7-inch version)
When You`re Sad (12-inch version)
So Far Away
Next to Lollita, it`s my favorite thing they`ve done. I`m pretty sure Robin
Guthrie produced it and it has tons of echo and feedback.
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:55:10 -0500
Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 12-Dec-94 4ad catalogue by Carlos
[email protected]
> It must be possible to download/review
> the 4ad catalogue (incl. order prices) from/at some server...
> I was trying the 4ad-l server but couldn't find any catalogue_file.
> Browsing through http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html gives the same results.
>
> Would somebody out there help me? thanks a lot!
I don't think anyone has the 4ad catalog on-line. What some record
companies want to do is link the Eyesore database (at least on evo.org)
to their pages on a title by title basis. So you'd be able to click on a
particular album and automatically be given the price and availability,
as well as an opportunity to order, from one of the record companies on
the 'net. It's a neat idea, but a bit too commercial for my tastes.
Anyone think it would / wouldn't be worthwhile looking into?
Obviously, Eyesore is Lars' creation and I only carry it on www.evo.org
because it's cool and needed a fast US site. I wouldn't implement
anything like commercial links into the Eyesore Web pages without first
consulting with Lars. But I wanted to know if it would be something
people would be interested in. . .
--- Erikas
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:27:05 -0500
In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:19:13 +0100,
EVIL Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:14:35 +0000
94 11:00:07 am
[email protected] wrote:
>
> (Might someone possess an AR Kane discog?)
>
When You're Sad / So Far Away / When You're Sad (long version)
One Little Indian records. No song titles on the sleeve or single,
"When You're Sad" appeared on a O.L.I. compilation, "One Little
Indian against the Cowboys".
Lollita / Sado-masochism is a Must / Butterfly Collector
4AD, produced by Robin Guthrie (Cocteau Twins).
Pump Up the Volume / Anitina
M|A|R|R|S, a Colourbox / A.R. Kane collaboration - though it was more
of a split single, the A-side being Colourbox and some DJ friends
(with a little guitar from A.R. Kane), the B-side being Alex and Rudi
with some drum programming by Colourbox. Various remixes available.
Up Home! (EP)
Baby Milk Snatcher / W.O.G.S. / One Way Mirror / Up
Moved to Rough Trade after falling out with 4AD over their handling
of the MARRS single.
69 (album)
Crazy Blue / Suicide Kiss / Baby Milk Snatcher / Scab / Sulliday
Dizzy / Spermwhale Trip Over / The Sun Falls Into the Sea
The Madonna is With Child / Spanish Quay (3)
First release on CD. "Baby Milk Snatcher" is a different version.
Listen Up! (Quasar mix) / Listen Up! (Pulsar mix)
A.R.K. The only indication that this is A.R. Kane is some very
small, pale writing on the back saying "Produced by A R KANE for
H.Ark productions". This was their biggest-selling record (apart
from "Pump up the Volume"), and may even have been Rough Trade's
biggest-selling single of the year.
Love-Sick (EP)
Green Hazed Daze / Sperm Travels Like Juggernaut
Is This Is? / Is This Dub?
Pop (long) / What's All This Then / Snow Joke / Pop (short)
"Snow Joke" is the album version, and was only on the CD single
(their first). "What's All This Then" is different from the album
version, and the long version of "Pop" is the one on the album.
"i" (album)
*Hello / A Love From Outer Space / Crack Up / *Timewind
What's All This Then? / Snow Joke / *Off Into Space / And I Say
*Yeti / Conundrum / Honeysuckleswallow / *Long Body / In A Circle
*Fast Ka / Miles Apart / Pop / *Mars / Spook / Sugarwings
*Back Home / Down / Supervixens / Insect Love / *Sorry
Catch My Drift / *Challenge
Double vinyl, single CD. Tracks marked with an asterisk are short
instrumental tracks and samples, listed separately from the main
songs on the sleeve.
Rem"i"xes (album)
Miles Apart / Sugarwings / Crack Up
Love From Outer Space / Catch My Drift / Crack Up (Space mix)
1, 3 and 6 remixed by Robin Guthrie, all the others remixed by the
band.
Americana - compilation album of Rough Trade material - 9 songs from
"i", 3 from "69", "Up", "Green Hazed Daze" and a new song "Water",
recorded in 1991 - their first new recording since 1989. This was
supposed to herald a new era, with Alex and Rudi recording for David
Byrne's Luaka Bop label (a subsidiary of Sire). Instead, Rudi
concentrated on production (including Bark Psychosis and Saint Etienne
remixes), and the H.Ark record label (including Butterfly Child and
Papa Sprain), while Alex disappeared in America. This year they
reappeared on Third Stone (Bark Psychosis's label) with a single "Sea
Like A Child" (3 mixes plus "Water" from "Americana"), and album "New
Clear Child".
-- Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
[email protected] |
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:28:44 +0000
"[email protected]" at Dec 11, 94 04:59:25 pm
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Trivia:
> So who is Penelope Tree? I remember her name being mentioned in some
> article about waifish models, and I was surprised the song title
> referred to a real person.
Lawrence just took the name because he liked it - Penelope Tree was a
British model from the sixties - like Twiggy.
Someone else expressed surprise at "Sending Lady Load", the lengthy
piano instrumental on the B-side of "The Pictorial Jackson Review" - one
of the B-sides of "Ballad of the Band", "Candles in a Church", is in a
similar vein. This is one of the Creation-era tracks which has never
been re-released. Martin Duffy was responsible for both - and there's
an entire album of Duffy and Gary Ainge (Felt's drummer and the only
original member apart from Lawrence). "Train Above the City" is a
collection of jazzy vibes/piano/drums instrumentals. Cherry Red do an
excellent box set of four Felt CDs - two containing the four CR albums,
one with "Absolute Classic Masterpieces" (compilation of album tracks,
impossible-to-find singles and one of Maurice Deebank's solo efforts),
and a 5-song CD of rare singles/b-sides. "Absolute Classic Masterpieces"
is *the* Felt album for beginners - lots of stuff which isn't available
elsewhere, the superlative "Primitive Painters", etc. There's a volume
II covering the Creation era, which is OK but far from exhaustive.
"Poem of the River" or "Forever Breathes the Lonely Word" are the best
albums on Creation.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
[email protected] |
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:19:52 GMT
I'm really fascinated by all this stuff about the Lisa Germano sample
(which I haven't heard). Personally I have no problem with the idea of
using such provocative material in "pop" or "rock" music per se (though I
too hope it was cleared with the people involved). My interest arises from
an earlier discussion on the list about whether the only thing that matters
about a piece of music, is what it sounds like (an idea I disagree with).
For example, Sanz wrote:
>IMHO great pop music should be about MUSIC. PERIOD. FULL STOP. It
>certainly doesn't matter to me what the artists looks like or how blasted
>old they are, or if their sound is hip. If their music is good (by my own
>personal standards) that's all that matters.
and Mark Stammers, in response, wrote:
>Couldn't agree more, if you listen to a CD without knowing who its by and
>like it and then change your mind when you find out who its by/what they
>look like/how old they are, then you're an unfortunate fashion victim.
Sanz and Mark make reference to only a few specific things that they claim
shouldn't matter - eg. "what the artists looks like or how blasted old they
are". But Sanz also states that "great pop music should be about MUSIC.
PERIOD" (for "music", I read "music" and "lyrics"). So what do you guys
(or anyone else) think about the use of the sample? Does it matter, as far
as the quality of the relevant song is concerned, where the sample came
from (or does it only matter what the sample sounds like)? If it does
matter, would you agree then that the quality of music is affected by its
context (presumably, if Lisa Germano had "invented" the sample, the song
would be better (or maybe worse!)).
And if the quality of music is affected by its context, does it then matter
who makes it? Suppose the "psychopath" has written and recorded the song.
Would it be in poor taste to have recorded the song? Would the song be
less good, because the "psychopath" wrote it?
Ok, so maybe I'm not being fair here (if I compare the impact of the use of
a distressing "real" sample to, say, the visual appearance of a group).
Sure they're totally different things and they have totally different
impacts but I do firmly believe that it's perfectly reasonable, in
principle, to object to the Germano song because of the use of the sample
and to object to any Flock of Seagulls (remember them) song because of that
idiot keyboard player's haircut. Ie. It is not true to say "great pop
music should be about MUSIC. PERIOD".
Simon
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr Simon Hughes, Consultant
Applied Information Engineering Department, Lloyd's Register,
Lloyd's Register House, 29 Wellesley Road, Croydon, CR0 2AJ, UK
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:44:38 -0500
In a letter of 94-12-12 06:23:17 EST, [email protected] (vilexile) wrote:
> I actually got *laughed* at recently for asking if you could still get half
> this stuff. Why is it all out of print? _69_ is absolutely incredible.
The reason that all most of A.R. Kane's stuff is so hard to find in the
states is that what was released here was done so by Rough Trade. They (RT)
went bankrupt about three years ago (or something like that) and now their
entire catalog has been deleted. Granted, some of the more popular stuff has
been reissued on different labels (such as Elektra's reissue of the first two
Pixies albums and the Breeders' brilliant "Pod"), but I can't see Luaka Bop
doing the same for A.R. Kane.
Meanwhile - you're all probably going to think I'm BSing you here - while
browsing through a bin of dollar cassettes at the local Camelot Music, I
found about five copies of "69"! No CDs or vinyl, natch, but it's better
than nothing. They also had some other interesting finds, such as the first
tape by Hugo Largo (a totally underrated band, IMHO), old Wire and some other
stuff I can't remember. So it might be worth a few minutes to dig around and
see what you can find.
Lastly, this is my first post to the list since signing on over the weekend,
so I wanted to say hello to everyone.
HELLO! :G)
from Jeremy Orr
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:30:59 -0600
can someone explain what the differences are between the two and
which they like better? there is a difference isn't there? thanks
sunG
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:22:48 EST
I am forwarding this for a friend of mine. do not contact me.
contact him (pj) at the address contained below..
According to Baltimore:
> From daemon Sun Dec 11 16:11:44 1994
> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:11:39 -0500 (EST)
> From: Baltimore
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:01:05 -0500
could someone pleeeeze send
me the phone
number and fax number for
Arcana books in california (if that
is the right place, im looking for the
this rimy river exhibition book!!)
thank you in advance!!
---> [spiral]
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:02:24 -0800
> Of course I can disagree!! I am the great Darth Vader! See, I thought you
> were ranking the albums in order of what you think is the best. See, you!
here, mr. vader....my ranking of the hnia stuffola: livonia. hiiyh,
both hnia home tapes, mbm, kos, tde.... of course, the first two
are tied for 1st and the others are tied for 2nd... :)
> And whose fault is it that IVO and John Frye mixed it? Hmmmmmm... thats a
> tough one... Can we say WARREN??? (in yr best church lady impersonation)
hey..i can't do dana carvey! aw well..we'll just have to blame warren
for everything...it's his fault his records have tmc overtones and it's
his fault that karin oliver has big ugly docs and it's his fault
the earth is round and not flat...
> I gave him yr e-mail and snail-mail address. He said he would visit you as
> soon as he finished his life sentance... if he can get someone to drive him
> there.
ugh..does this mean i have to discard all my clothes with buttons?
i'm really not into the whole Quaker Oats look...
*k* ...a cream o'wheat sort of gal...
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:35:46 CST
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it in GhostView or something. Hope you enjoy the new location and work
on the 'zine.
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On a cozy day, Lush and RAD spent the afternoon and evening. First, we
enjoyed the very pleasant company of Philip and Miki for a much
longer-than-expected interview about 4AD's move to L.A. during the
recording of their latest album, "Split." The interview was good (very
interesting for any 4AD fans out there), the album "Split" is great, but
the show is simply the best show (music and lights) put on the small
stage this year.
RAD - How do you like being on 4AD?
Miki- It's alright.
phiL - Pretty laid back.
Miki- You can't say any label is better than most labels, it depends on
what you want. If you want a lot of money, then go on another label.
phiL - If you want more control over what you do...
Miki- then you want the support of an indie label.
RAD - How do you feel about 4AD moving to L.A?
phiL - It's not the whole lot (of the 4AD label)...
Miki- just Ivo's moved to L.A. It's a bit difficult in some ways,
because 4AD IS Ivo, really, and it always has been in this little
office. And if you have a problem, you can phone him there. It's good in
a way, because obviously...
phiL - there's more exposure....
Miki- Now that 4AD's got a license with Warner Brothers, or Reprise,
there' s a lot less communication goes on. And don't expect them to
call. We weren't expecting when we were making this album that Ivo was
fuckin' nowhere to be found. He wasn't around and he didn't come to the
studio and I think that's wrong. That's exactly the way it's changing.
He got married, and it's fine. It's a transitional period and I wasn't
exactly pleased that our record was caught in that transitional period.
But what is there, you know, it's not like we're not going to leave 4AD.
RAD - Who did you produce this last album with?
Miki- Mike Finters.
RAD - How did that go?
Miki- Fine...
phiL - ...it went fine...
Miki- Actually, we spent a long time trying to find a producer. A lot
were unavailable. And we didn't say what we were looking for in a
producer. Bob Mould, we wanted, for obvious reasons, you know, for that
specific sound he could get. And when he couldn't do it, it was like
well...we didn't wasn't anybody with a specific s ound, we just wanted
someone who would bring out our sound. And Mike Finte rs was more of a
engineer than a producer, and he likes to co-produce. And so all he did
was loyally record what we played. And the problems came in when we did
the mixing, because that IS a producers real job, in the mix--their
sound or whatever. And it didn't really work out.
phiL - He just sort of lost interest at that point.
Miki- We only mixed the whole album and all the b-sides and everything
and then go, "it's not working". It took a long time. We spent like a
month mixing them, and then took a couple of weeks off and then came
back and remixed the whole album and b-sides with Alan Moulder, and he
was great. phiL - He was a bit more dynamic...things just jumped up.
Because on the original mix, everything was quite flat on it.
RAD - Who are some of the bands that you listen to?
phiL - Nick Cave
Miki- Blur, Suede. It's a sad thing about Suede.
phiL - Some band that has sold about 3,000 albums.
Miki- I'm glad that never happened to us. Lush U.K.
phiL - London Lush.
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:11:10 -0500
A couple of people have been asking about FELT, and since I'm a big fan, I
thought I'd send along my thoughts.
I think their best album by far is "The Splendour Of Fear." "Mexican
Bandits," "The Optimist and the Poet," and especially "The Stagnant Pool"
are just incredible instrumental songs. The first 4 albums are more
instrumental, largely because of the guitar brilliance of Maurice Deebank,
who subsequently left the band. Though I like the FELT albums after his
departure, they really aren't nearly as interesting.
See, where the later albums are just pop (though very good pop), the early
albums have a uniqueness that is all their own (as opposed to a uniqueness
that is someone elses!). Nothing sounds like these records. Just amazing!
For those who like this period, I strongly recommend checking out MAURICE
DEEBANK's solo recordings -- all of which are handily compiled on "Inner
Thought Zone" on Cherry Red (CD MRED 61). For those who like DIF JUZ, I
think you'll really like early FELT. Sorry, no money-back guarantee is
offered here.
As far as the later albums are concerned, I have to agree with the praise of
"Train above the City." A warning though -- it's largely a jazz album on
which Laurence had no input. I think the last FELT album, "Me and a Monkey
on the Moon" is quite a return to their earlier form though. I think it's
the best since "Splendour of Fear." It's still a pop album, but has some
really great instrumental passages, particularly "New Day Dawning."
As for DENIM, Laurence's post-FELT band, I like them a lot too, but be
forewarned -- it's a trashy, kitschy, homage to the seventies. From the
"We-Will-Rock-You"-like drums of the first song ("Back in Denim") through
"Middle of the Road" (sample lyric -- "I'm force-fed your so called
heroes/don't be told who to like/it's your right to choose/who you listen
to/it's your rock/rock 'n' roll/you'll find me in the middle of the road"),
to the last song ("I'm Against the Eighties") (sample lyric -- "I'm against
the '80s/I don't care what you say/I'm against the '80s/you don't listen to
me anyway/well I'm for the '70s/oh and for the '90s too"). Really fun stuff.
Hope that helps. Enjoy.
-- Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:23:23 EST
ok here is the Arcana info (insert usual non-affiliation disclaimer here):
arcana books on the arts
1229 third street promenade
santa monica, ca 90401
1-310-458-1499 (phone)
1-310-458-9014 (fax)
here is what they have:
v23/vaughan oliver : this rimy river graphic works 1988-1994 $39.95
v23 poster set #2: $25
v23 purple xl t-shirt $15
all virgos are mad cd $15
AVAM video sampler $20
gets those credit cards out.....ouch!
peter