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Subject: Wanted: Sufi info
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:00:07 -0500
From: Number19@AOL.COM
Subject: a.r. kane q.u. estion
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 02:33:04 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Poll. Poll! Poll!!!
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:04:21 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@ifi.uio.no)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:12:29 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sufi info
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 10:28:51 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!) Yo! What up Slick?!!
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:46:11 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:50:48 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid for sale?
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:39:02 -0500
From: I AM cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Koolio is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:44:14 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sufi info
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 09:30:12 -0800
From: Ned Raggett (eahg119@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:28:47 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:59:25 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: A. R. Kane discog. addn's (was ...Sufi Info)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:43:02 -0500
From: Albert Thomas Bozzo (bozzo@wam.umd.edu)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid for sale?
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:12:11 -0500
From: "Christopher C. Schachte" (ccs@COOS.DARTMOUTH.EDU)
Subject: subscription info
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:06:02 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: FSOL
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:39:16 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:55:55 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Loreena McKennitt
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:39:34 GMT
From: Karen (karen@torr.demon.co.uk)
Subject: 4ad catalogue
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:40:53 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: More for ARKane Discog
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:19:03 -0500
From: "Jen Greene, (70004.3771@compuserve.com)" (Oxmox@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad catalogue
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:55:10 -0500
From: Erikas Aras Napjus (erikas+@CMU.EDU)
Subject: ILSA Germano
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:27:05 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: A R Kane
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:14:35 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:28:44 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lisa Germano "Psychopath" sample
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:19:52 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: a.r. kane q.u. estion
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:44:38 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: hnia _mouth by mouth_ import and domestic
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:30:59 -0600
From: Regis (z943159@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU)
Subject: stuff for sale (rare 4ad...)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:22:48 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: help... v23 and arcana number needed...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:01:05 -0500
From: "[spiraL]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:02:24 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush Interview
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:35:46 CST
From: Grant Schwarz (gks@MOD.DSTO.GOV.AU)
Subject: FELT
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:11:10 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: help... v23 and arcana number needed...
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:23:23 EST
From: KingofSweet (lycia@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: 3 uninteresting cds for sale
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:28:50 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 22:25:57 -0500
From: PLAY THIS MUSIC LOUD (WLBN@ACAD.ALBION.EDU)

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:00:07 -0500
From: Number19@AOL.COM
Subject: Wanted: Sufi info


Jens Alfke's post on Ambient 4 "Isolationism" (Virgin) lists a track from
Sufi [Rudi from AR  Kane]. If anyone knows of a full length or has more info
on this or any other AR Kane side project, please e-mail me some info. (Might
someone possess an AR Kane discog?)
Thanks in advance, 19.

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 02:33:04 -0800
From: vilexile (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: a.r. kane q.u. estion


I actually got *laughed* at recently for asking if you could still get
half this stuff. Why is it all out of print? _69_ is absolutely
incredible.

 einexile
(no i am *NOT* reading anything important)

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:04:21 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@ifi.uio.no)
Subject: Poll. Poll! Poll!!!


You still have a couple of days to get your votes in, so that we can
see What We Like. I'm always a bit surprised, myself.

Below are the instructions. Below the below is a list of things that
4AD released this year, and I forgot to include last time.

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE.

So it's time for the year-end poll. To decrease the amount of work I
have to do, I must insist on that people follow the annoying rules
beneath. The tallying process will not be touched by human hands - it
will all be done by A Big Computer, and you know how stupid they are.

Here are the rules:

1) There are five categories.
     a) Your favourite release from 4AD this year.
     b) Your favourite release from 4AD ever.
     c) Your favourite band on 4AD ever.
     d) Your favourite release not from 4AD this year.
     e) The most disappointing release this year, on 4AD or off.
   Vote in any or all of these categories.

2) You have ten points to hand out *in*each*category*. Let's take
category d) as an example:

---- EXAMPLE ---------
d)

4 Phothished - Stupid
1 Cabaret Artaud - The Monologue
2 Russian Astronaut Dog - Self Titled
3 Sick muze - Twist'n'Sequence
---- EXAMPLE END -----

As you can see, the points cleverly add up to 10.

2) All the categories have to be formatted exactly like you see
above. Start with the category ("a)", "b)", etc), then your votes with
the points first, group name second and release name third.

2) Any votes that do not follow that format will confuse my poor
computer.

2) There are four rules named "2".

3) Send your votes to 'larsi@ifi.uio.no'. Do not send them to this
list.

4) Your votes have to be in before Dec. 15.


List of releases from 4AD this year:

Kristin Hersh - Your Ghost
Kristin Hersh - Hips and Makers
Lisa Germano - Inconsiderate Bitch
Red House Painters - Shock Me
The Glee Club - Mine
Lisa Germano - Happiness
Insides - Clear Skin
Kristin Hersh - Strings
Frank Black - Headache
Lush - Hypocrite
Frank Black - Teenager of the Year
Lush - Desire Lines
Lush - Split
The Breeders - Head to Toe
Pale Saints - Fine Friend
Pale Saints - Slow Buildings
Various - All Virgos Are Mad
Dead Can Dance - Towards the Within
Lisa Germano - Geek the Girl
Throwing Muses - Bright Yellow Gun
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:12:29 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?


In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:27:07 -0800,
  * kelli-jeanne *   writes:

> On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Sgt. Tibbs morphed into jOHN's body to write:
>
>
>> > the dirt eaters ep & mouth by mouth are more on the
>>    > quirky-accessible side...it's experimentation of a different
>> nature...
>>    Well, I have to disagree.  MBM is the one I play the most... next to
>> HIIYH.  Livonia being the least.
>>
> you can't disagree and say you play MBM the most..that's sort of what
> i was getting at, silly! quirky-accessible...probably something a
> new fan would play more often than the other releases... :)

Of course I can disagree!!  I am the great Darth Vader!  See, I thought you
were ranking the albums in order of what you think is the best.  See, you!

>>  What about DRINK DRESS AND INK!!!???  What a Koolio song!  And same
>>  with IN  EVERY FORD and TORSO.  MBM may not be a "ground breaking"
>> album, but neither  is Livonia, with it's THIS MORTAL COIL esk feel.
>>
>
> and just who's fault was that, hmmmmm? can we say, IVO? ;)
>

And whose fault is it that IVO and John Frye mixed it?  Hmmmmmm... thats a
tough one...  Can we say WARREN??? (in yr best church lady impersonation)

>
>> Are you sure they're not Amish people?
>>   hehe
>>
>
> i've never seen warren with his full beard & glasses, but i've been told
> it's a rather creepy sight. he sure does know an awful lot about
> barn raisings, though me thinks he's watched 'Witness' one too many
> times...

Nah, I think he's been to one too many square dances.
>
>
> * k-j * ...PA amish are *still* koolio, even with that psycho story
> jOHN sent me from the newspaper...
>

I gave him yr e-mail and snail-mail address.  He said he would visit you as
soon as he finished his life sentance... if he can get someone to drive him
there.

         -jOHN once again

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 10:28:51 -0800
From: Brant Nelson (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sufi info


> AR Kane
> Here's a very basic discog [no doubt incomplete]:

I can add one more:

"Love Sick" EP [Rough Trade UK]

and of course there's the M/A/R/R/S EP collaboration with
Colourbox.

brant

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:46:11 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: LAIKA (was) Re:LAIKA (is!) Yo! What up Slick?!!


In message Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:25:00 -0500,
  Gil Gershman   writes:

> I think that's being unfair to *k*... taped copies are just as nice when
> you're being mature and responsible about managing your money (unlike me!)

Unfair is so mean sounding.  Since *k* only has 35 cents in her bank account
(not including all that interest), we should start a "kell-a-thon" to buy
*k* the Laika cd for xmas.  Everyone pitch in .50 cents.

>
> But, for ev'ry one out there who is not hip to the wonder that is Laika, I
> '3RD' the recommendation - with one small note.
>
> Maybe you should try the (cheaper) "Antenna" EP or (even cheaper,
> domestic) Moonshake "Big Good Angel" mini-LP before the full length.

Antenna should be the last thing to buy.  The Full Length album is so much
better.  I bought Antenna when it was forst released, and was kinda turned
off for a few weeks.  "SILVER APPLES" delivers more.  "BIG GOOD ANGEL" by
MOONSHAKE isn't a good place to start if someone is interested in getting
LAIKA.  Although both bands share a common feel, they are still apples and
oranges.

> That
> way you'll know if Margaret's voice and insanely original
> instrumentation/percussion drive you to the highest states of ecstacy  or
> just drive you insane.

How could anyone *not* like her voice?

> Then you can "invest" in the big-bucks import
> full-length

Nah.  Just support the band, and buy the full length... if you feel like
listening to the GREATEST album of 1994.  If not, then go on back to yr
DJ-Jazzy Jeff tape dubbs.

> write me if you need addresses.
> write me if you think I write too much.
> write me.
>

Parasol sold out of this album even before they advertised it in their
update sheet.  I luckily called the same day they got it in.  My brother
Chris called back 3 days later and they were out.  Parasol sells it for 18
bucks.

Everyone on the entire list write to Bison Boy and tell him TooPure is
nothing but a sell-out-gangsta-rap label.  He'll be in his te pee for days
deleting all his mail.

        -jOHN

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:50:48 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Ambient 4: Isolationism

              94 09:29:16 am

Jens Alfke  wrote:
> AMM
> E.A.R  [Sonic Boom + Kevin Shields + ?]

One of the others in EAR is also in AMM - AMM have been going since the
late sixties, colleagues of Pink Floyd and the Soft Machine in the
London experimental underground scene, and they have been around ever
since, though fairly low-profile.  EAR have released one album
("Mesmerize"), and a couple of other things - a 5" vinyl single (yes,
5"!) with extracts from the album, and a 10" called "Hydroponic" which I
don't have - presumably the track "hydroponic" on this compilation is
from that 10".  There's some discussion as to whether Kev Shields is
really on the album, he's certainly going to be on the next one.  The
album simply says the group consists of Sonic Boom and people who "from
time to time" include Shields, the guy from AMM, a member of God, and
most of Spectrum (Boom's regular group).

I bought Spacemen 3's "Dreamweapon" yesterday, far better than I had
expected - 45 minutes of a gig which consisted of the boys droning away
in the foyer of an arts centre, bits of "Playing With Fire" drifting
into the sound, mixing with the chatter of the clientele, plus 10
minutes of "Ecstasy" and a 15 minute guitar jam between Sonic and
Jason.  Not for everybody, perhaps, but I like it.

> David Toop & Max Eastley  [Doesn't Toop run Warp records?]

I don't think so - Toop is a journalist who wrote one of the first books
on rap music, and has a longstanding interest in World music, hip-hop
and virtually anything else which crosses accepted boundaries.  He wrote
the liner notes for "Artificial Intelligence II", but I don't think he
has any business connection with Warp.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:39:02 -0500
From: I AM cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid for sale?


For all those who expressed interest (or were thinking of it)  the Spoonfed
Hybrid is sold already.  Thank you for showing interest.
                                -cz


>Did someone say they had a copy of Spoonfed Hybrid that they were seeking
>to unload?  (Sorry for the utter uselessness of this post to anyone other
>than me and the potential seller)
>
>--
>Chris Schachte
>ccs@coos.dartmouth.edu
>

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:44:14 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: Koolio is burning to be in my collection, but which?


my significant other (sgt. tibbs) wrote:

In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:07:26 -0800,
  Heffalump oinked:

>>  > What about DRINK DRESS AND INK!!!???  What a Koolio song!  And same
>> with IN
>
> This is the wrong list for Koolio, folkz.
>

Haven't you heard?  Koolio is laying down the rhythm on the new Cocteau
Twins ep.  Right after finishes mixing the MBV full length album.

          -jOHN slide slide slippity slide
                you better be ready when the 5ive roll by -koolio

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 09:30:12 -0800
From: Ned Raggett (eahg119@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sufi info


On Sun, 11 Dec 1994 Number19@aol.com wrote:

> Jens Alfke's post on Ambient 4 "Isolationism" (Virgin) lists a track from
> Sufi [Rudi from AR  Kane]. If anyone knows of a full length or has more info
> on this or any other AR Kane side project, please e-mail me some info. (Might
> someone possess an AR Kane discog?)

Here's a very basic discog [no doubt incomplete]:
"Lolita" EP [4AD UK]
"Up" EP [Rough Trade UK]
_Sixty-Nine_ [Rough Trade]
_i_ [Rough Trade UK]
"Rem'i'xes" EP [Rough Trade UK]
_Americana_ [Luaka Bop]
_New Clear Child_ [Luaka Bop]

_Americana_ collects tracks from the two Rough Trade albums and a few
singles [I can't remember them all]; it's a nice sampler, but get your
hands on the albums.  _New Clear Child_ just came out this year,
after a five-year break [to hell with the Stone Roses; THIS is what
I've been waiting for!] for the band.

As for side projects, there is a single by Inrain on Rough Trade UK
which you'll want to find--it's Rudi with Alison Shaw of the Cranes.
Still haven't heard it myself.

Ned Raggett
eahg119@ea.oac.uci.edu

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:28:47 -0500
From: Richard Singer (wk03814@WORLDLINK.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt


Joruses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU asked about Felt . . .

I liked this group early on, when they were recording singles and EPs
for Cherry red.  They had a vaguely Lou Reedish-sounding singer and
pretty full-sounding, acoustic-heavy instrumentals, with well-emphasized guitars

They've always been a quiet group, though their tone could be kind of dramatic.
Like many bands that were on Cherry Red (e.g., the Monochrome
Set), they could easily have done a '60s movie soundtrack.

My favorite song of theirs is "My Face Is On Fire," found on the Cherry
Red compilation, _Pillows & Prayers_.  I also went out and
bought the _Penelope Tree_ EP, which is interesting as quiet background music.
I have a "greatest hits" Felt record, _Gold Mind Trash_ (PVC Records,
1987) (with lush, arty 4AD-ish jacket sleeve), which I found in the bargain bin.
Again, the quality that stuck out most was a fullness in the acoustic sounds
(and also the drumming), and it was all very pleasant, though nothing really
grabbed me.  They also can be given credit for trying a lot of different
things -- it's hard to pinpoint exactly what they were after.

This became especially true in their '88 album, _The Pictorial Jackson
Review_ (Creation Records), which was the last release of theirs that I
bought.  The most interesting song on this record was a long,
jazzy piano-based instrumental that seemed to have come out of nowhere,
at least for someone like myself, who'd been familiar with their earlier
material.  (I'd be curious to see opinions from someone familiar with
later Felt, who might have a better perspective on how they developed.)
At any rate, for what it's worth, I liked them but didn't love them.  If
you see _Gold Mine Trash_ or _The Pictorial Jackson Review_ for a good
price, it's worth picking up -- at least they did a few
interesting things and avoided following any formulas . . .

-- Richard Singer

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:59:25 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Felt


Felt was great for most of their 10-year career. Toward
the end they got a bit spotty (i'm thinking everything
after _poem of the river_, although _the pictorial jackson
review_ is ok). What I'd highly recommend is _Foerver Breathes
The Lonely Word_, which comes pretty close to being a masterpiece
in my book. Also extraordinary is _Ignite The Seven Cannons_
with what might be their best song ever, "Primitive Painters".
The whole album is Robin-Guthrie-produced, and you can sort
of tell. I haven't listened to _The Strange Idols Pattern_ as much
as these other two, but it's starting to strike me as
another brilliant record. Going further back, _The Splendour
Of Fear_ has a few interesting tracks, but nothing to lose
sleep over if you don't have it. The first album, _Crumbling The
Antiseptic Beauty_ is nice and as far as I remember, mostly
instrumental, but I'm not too familiar with it. I think you can
still get the first two albums together on one CD, as you can
with the next two. Between _...Cannons_ and _Forever Breathes..._
came _Let The Snakes Crinkle Their Heads To Death_ which is
an incredibly short set of instrumentals with a lot of variety
and it probably shows the band at their most creative moment.
There are several other EPs scattered around in there.

Their sound? Lou Reed, sort of crooning style vocals;
great-great-great guitars, at least until Maurice Deebank left;
very cool organ playing, starting with _...Cannons_ (i think).
Popsongs alternating with some of the best instrumentals of all
time. Plus you have to love how Lawrence uses the same damn
vocal phrasing and inflection on *a lot* of the songs! It never
fails to amuse me.

So who is Penelope Tree? I remember her name being mentioned in some
article about waifish models, and I was surprised the song title
referred to a real person.

(and this one is *really* trivial)
Who's who on the cover of _Let The Snakes..._?

brant

"we might as well just stay in our rooms until we die"

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:43:02 -0500
From: Albert Thomas Bozzo (bozzo@wam.umd.edu)
Subject: A. R. Kane discog. addn's (was ...Sufi Info)


While the A. R. Kane discography is being built (anyone taking notes? :-)
) let's not forget the "When You're Sad" single on One Little Indian,
IMHO an excellent record. Also there was a MARRS (A-side!)-style single,
"Listen Up!" which (as I recall) in an amusing turn samples a bit of Bomb the
Bass' "Beat Dis." --Tom

bozzo@wam.umd.edu
Department of Economics
University of Maryland at College Park

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:12:11 -0500
From: "Christopher C. Schachte" (ccs@COOS.DARTMOUTH.EDU)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid for sale?

              <4AD-L%JHUVM.BITNET@DARTCMS1.DARTMOUTH.EDU>

Did someone say they had a copy of Spoonfed Hybrid that they were seeking
to unload?  (Sorry for the utter uselessness of this post to anyone other
than me and the potential seller)

--
Chris Schachte
ccs@coos.dartmouth.edu

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:06:02 -0600
From: missy pepper (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: subscription info


i have a friend who wants to subscribe, and has been trying, but can't.
could someone pretty please re-post the address to send subscription
requests?

                                        thanks!

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 15:39:16 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: FSOL

              94 01:47:57 pm

Richard Singer  wrote:
>
> 3. The Future Sound of London, Lifeforms -- Maybe this shows I'm not a
> hardcore ambient fan, but I didn't find this to be as sensational as
> other people were claiming.  There's so much filler noise on this
> album, and much of it is just too soporiphic for me.  Although, if I'm
> falling asleep already, it can be a very nice soundtrack for my
> dreams.
>

I'm not sure how available this will be outside the UK (it's been
released as one of those "available for one week only and then deleted"
deals).  FSOL released an album called "ISDN" last week - compiled from
their recent "gigs over the radio" events, where they "played" live in
their studio and sent the results over digital telephone lines to radio
stations in Europe and the US.  It's a far better album than
"Lifeforms", 75 minutes long, 15 tracks, and there's more form and
substance than on the last album - whether this is a conscious decision
or a result of the spontaneity of its creation, I don't know.  The
"Lifeforms" single, as well, knocks spots off its parent album, and not
just because of Liz's singing - like Richard says, there's just too much
going on in the album to really grip the attention - just as you have
got interested in something, it disappears.  "ISDN" comes in an
extremely flimsy black sleeve with the usual jumbled computer-graphics
innards.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 17:55:55 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt


A somewhat comprehensive overview of Felt's recordings can be gotten via
their rather pretentiously titled "Absolute Classic Masterpieces" -- a
sort of 'best of' released in 1991 or 92 (can't remember).  It includes
selections from the bands various releases over the years, as well as teh
very first (and really laughable) recording done at home by Lawrence
way back when.  There are some rather lengthy liner notes as well, that
give the history of the band and a little discography.

I always got the impression that Felt were something like Lou Reed (good call
on the vocals) meets Cocteau Twins.  Not always.  Liz does appear on the
track "Primitive Painters" (good tune).  Liz and Robin also met Simon
while attending a Felt concert. (trivialities...)


Mike

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:39:34 GMT
From: Karen (karen@torr.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Loreena McKennitt




I noticed that a few listmembers recently have mentioned the
(non-4AD, but I know that Ivo *is* a fan!) artist Loreena McKennitt.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that she's thislisty ... though
closer to Clannad by way of DCD than she is like the Wolfgang Press!:)

Anyway, if any listmembers would like to hear her music (free of charge,
no salesmen will call, no free Ginsu knives, etc) her own label,
Quinlan Road (for whom I work when I'm not doing stuff like buying
too many records or sleeping in) is offering a free sampler cassette
of her music. The cassette features excerpts from her various (five,
actually) albums. Anyway, if you're interested, send your name and
snail-mail address to the QR office at 75247.316@compuserve.com

Sorry for the quasi-commercial interruption ... but I thought that
as quasi-commerical interruptions go, this one mightn't be too annoying.

Cheers
--
Karen@torr.demon.co.uk
Quinlan Road UK

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:40:53 MEZ
From: Carlos Sequeira (cseque@DONAU.BOKU.AC.AT)
Subject: 4ad catalogue


Hi!

It must be possible to download/review
the 4ad catalogue (incl. order prices) from/at some server...
I was trying the 4ad-l server but couldn't find any catalogue_file.
Browsing through http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html gives the same results.

Would somebody out there help me? thanks a lot!

carlos
cseque@donau.boku.ac.at

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:19:03 -0500
From: "Jen Greene, (70004.3771@compuserve.com)" (Oxmox@AOL.COM)
Subject: More for ARKane Discog


I`ve got a 12-inch that I call ``When You`re Sad``. The sleeve conveniently
doesn`t list tracks or titles and if you recognize names, you can figure out
the credits buried in the artwork. This came out on One Little Indian
immediately after Lollita / MARRS, right after their disagreements with Ivo
on how their contribution to MARRS was handled. The tracks are :

When You`re Sad (7-inch version)
When You`re Sad (12-inch version)
So Far Away

Next to Lollita, it`s my favorite thing they`ve done. I`m pretty sure Robin
Guthrie produced it and it has tons of echo and feedback.

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:55:10 -0500
From: Erikas Aras Napjus (erikas+@CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad catalogue


Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 12-Dec-94 4ad catalogue by Carlos
Sequeira@DONAU.BO
> It must be possible to download/review
> the 4ad catalogue (incl. order prices) from/at some server...
> I was trying the 4ad-l server but couldn't find any catalogue_file.
> Browsing through http://www.evo.org/eyesore.html gives the same results.
>
> Would somebody out there help me? thanks a lot!

I don't think anyone has the 4ad catalog on-line. What some record
companies want to do is link the Eyesore database (at least on evo.org)
to their pages on a title by title basis. So you'd be able to click on a
particular album and automatically be given the price and availability,
as well as an opportunity to order, from one of the record companies on
the 'net. It's a neat idea, but a bit too commercial for my tastes.
Anyone think it would / wouldn't be worthwhile looking into?

Obviously, Eyesore is Lars' creation and I only carry it on www.evo.org
because it's cool and needed a fast US site. I wouldn't implement
anything like commercial links into the Eyesore Web pages without first
consulting with Lars. But I wanted to know if it would be something
people would be interested in. . .

--- Erikas

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:27:05 -0500
From: jOHN yOCHIM (jcy107@PSU.EDU)
Subject: ILSA Germano


In message Sat, 10 Dec 1994 08:19:13 +0100,
  EVIL Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen   writes:


> I didn't mean to say that I think that an artist has no
> responsibility being a decent human being, just almost... :-) But
> listening to Germano's stuff, it seems to me that she's not exactly
> *evil*. (I'm humming "Geek the Girl" at the moment...)
> --

Last Night at work I read an interview w/ Lisa in some mag (Rolling Stone),
and she SAID that her album is about "what men do to women".  Quote Unquote.
I'd say it's fair to say that her quote is pretty unfair to the male gender.
(hows that for a go-nowhere sentance?)
The only thing I stalk is my cat.  To be fair, she then said something like
(paraphrase) "its about what people do to each other" ... but the initial
quote is still pretty cold... knowing about what her album deals with.
Maybe I'm taking it the wrong way.

        -jOHN the newest mighty morphin power ranger... who morphs into
              the crazy psycho hand-biting, ankle-scratching, evil vampire
              cat, Sgt. Tibbs.

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:14:35 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: A R Kane

              94 11:00:07 am

Number19@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> (Might someone possess an AR Kane discog?)
>

When You're Sad / So Far Away / When You're Sad (long version)
  One Little Indian records.  No song titles on the sleeve or single,
  "When You're Sad" appeared on a O.L.I. compilation, "One Little
  Indian against the Cowboys".

Lollita / Sado-masochism is a Must / Butterfly Collector
  4AD, produced by Robin Guthrie (Cocteau Twins).

Pump Up the Volume / Anitina
  M|A|R|R|S, a Colourbox / A.R. Kane collaboration - though it was more
  of a split single, the A-side being Colourbox and some DJ friends
  (with a little guitar from A.R. Kane), the B-side being Alex and Rudi
  with some drum programming by Colourbox.  Various remixes available.

Up Home! (EP)
Baby Milk Snatcher / W.O.G.S. / One Way Mirror / Up
  Moved to Rough Trade after falling out with 4AD over their handling
  of the MARRS single.

69 (album)
Crazy Blue / Suicide Kiss / Baby Milk Snatcher / Scab / Sulliday
Dizzy / Spermwhale Trip Over / The Sun Falls Into the Sea
The Madonna is With Child / Spanish Quay (3)
  First release on CD.  "Baby Milk Snatcher" is a different version.

Listen Up! (Quasar mix) / Listen Up! (Pulsar mix)
  A.R.K.  The only indication that this is A.R. Kane is some very
  small, pale writing on the back saying "Produced by A R KANE for
  H.Ark productions".  This was their biggest-selling record (apart
  from "Pump up the Volume"), and may even have been Rough Trade's
  biggest-selling single of the year.

Love-Sick (EP)
Green Hazed Daze / Sperm Travels Like Juggernaut
Is This Is? / Is This Dub?

Pop (long) / What's All This Then / Snow Joke / Pop (short)
  "Snow Joke" is the album version, and was only on the CD single
  (their first).  "What's All This Then" is different from the album
  version, and the long version of "Pop" is the one on the album.

"i" (album)
*Hello / A Love From Outer Space / Crack Up / *Timewind
What's All This Then? / Snow Joke / *Off Into Space / And I Say
*Yeti / Conundrum / Honeysuckleswallow / *Long Body / In A Circle
*Fast Ka / Miles Apart / Pop / *Mars / Spook / Sugarwings
*Back Home / Down / Supervixens / Insect Love / *Sorry
Catch My Drift / *Challenge
  Double vinyl, single CD.  Tracks marked with an asterisk are short
  instrumental tracks and samples, listed separately from the main
  songs on the sleeve.

Rem"i"xes (album)
Miles Apart / Sugarwings / Crack Up
Love From Outer Space / Catch My Drift / Crack Up (Space mix)
  1, 3 and 6 remixed by Robin Guthrie, all the others remixed by the
  band.

Americana - compilation album of Rough Trade material - 9 songs from
"i", 3 from "69", "Up", "Green Hazed Daze" and a new song "Water",
recorded in 1991 - their first new recording since 1989.  This was
supposed to herald a new era, with Alex and Rudi recording for David
Byrne's Luaka Bop label (a subsidiary of Sire).  Instead, Rudi
concentrated on production (including Bark Psychosis and Saint Etienne
remixes), and the H.Ark record label (including Butterfly Child and
Papa Sprain), while Alex disappeared in America.  This year they
reappeared on Third Stone (Bark Psychosis's label) with a single "Sea
Like A Child" (3 mixes plus "Water" from "Americana"), and album "New
Clear Child".

-- Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:28:44 +0000
From: "A.J. Norman" (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Felt

              "nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU" at Dec 11, 94 04:59:25 pm

nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU wrote:
>
> Trivia:
> So who is Penelope Tree? I remember her name being mentioned in some
> article about waifish models, and I was surprised the song title
> referred to a real person.

Lawrence just took the name because he liked it - Penelope Tree was a
British model from the sixties - like Twiggy.

Someone else expressed surprise at "Sending Lady Load", the lengthy
piano instrumental on the B-side of "The Pictorial Jackson Review" - one
of the B-sides of "Ballad of the Band", "Candles in a Church", is in a
similar vein.  This is one of the Creation-era tracks which has never
been re-released.  Martin Duffy was responsible for both - and there's
an entire album of Duffy and Gary Ainge (Felt's drummer and the only
original member apart from Lawrence).  "Train Above the City" is a
collection of jazzy vibes/piano/drums instrumentals.  Cherry Red do an
excellent box set of four Felt CDs - two containing the four CR albums,
one with "Absolute Classic Masterpieces" (compilation of album tracks,
impossible-to-find singles and one of Maurice Deebank's solo efforts),
and a 5-song CD of rare singles/b-sides.  "Absolute Classic Masterpieces"
is *the* Felt album for beginners - lots of stuff which isn't available
elsewhere, the superlative "Primitive Painters", etc.  There's a volume
II covering the Creation era, which is OK but far from exhaustive.
"Poem of the River" or "Forever Breathes the Lonely Word" are the best
albums on Creation.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England | Jedermann sein eigner Fussball
nja@le.ac.uk                      |

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:19:52 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Lisa Germano "Psychopath" sample


I'm really fascinated by all this stuff about the Lisa Germano sample
(which I haven't heard).  Personally I have no problem with the idea of
using such provocative material in "pop" or "rock" music per se (though I
too hope it was cleared with the people involved).  My interest arises from
an earlier discussion on the list about whether the only thing that matters
about a piece of music, is what it sounds like (an idea I disagree with).
For example, Sanz wrote:

>IMHO great pop music should be about MUSIC. PERIOD. FULL STOP. It
>certainly doesn't matter to me what the artists looks like or how blasted
>old they are, or if their sound is hip. If their music is good (by my own
>personal standards) that's all that matters.

and Mark Stammers, in response, wrote:

>Couldn't agree more, if you listen to a CD without knowing who its by and
>like it and then change your mind when you find out who its by/what they
>look like/how old they are, then you're an unfortunate fashion victim.

Sanz and Mark make reference to only a few specific things that they claim
shouldn't matter - eg. "what the artists looks like or how blasted old they
are".  But Sanz also states that "great pop music should be about MUSIC.
PERIOD" (for "music", I read "music" and "lyrics").  So what do you guys
(or anyone else) think about the use of the sample?  Does it matter, as far
as the quality of the relevant song is concerned, where the sample came
from (or does it only matter what the sample sounds like)?  If it does
matter, would you agree then that the quality of music is affected by its
context (presumably, if Lisa Germano had "invented" the sample, the song
would be better (or maybe worse!)).

And if the quality of music is affected by its context, does it then matter
who makes it?  Suppose the "psychopath" has written and recorded the song.
Would it be in poor taste to have recorded the song?  Would the song be
less good, because the "psychopath" wrote it?

Ok, so maybe I'm not being fair here (if I compare the impact of the use of
a distressing "real" sample to, say, the visual appearance of a group).
Sure they're totally different things and they have totally different
impacts but I do firmly believe that it's perfectly reasonable, in
principle, to object to the Germano song because of the use of the sample
and to object to any Flock of Seagulls (remember them) song because of that
idiot keyboard player's haircut.  Ie. It is not true to say "great pop
music should be about MUSIC. PERIOD".

Simon

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr Simon Hughes, Consultant
Applied Information Engineering Department, Lloyd's Register,
Lloyd's Register House, 29 Wellesley Road, Croydon, CR0 2AJ, UK

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:44:38 -0500
From: Jeremy Orr (JNever@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: a.r. kane q.u. estion


In a letter of 94-12-12 06:23:17 EST, einexile@netcom.com (vilexile) wrote:

> I actually got *laughed* at recently for asking if you could still get half
> this stuff. Why is it all out of print? _69_ is absolutely incredible.

The reason that all most of A.R. Kane's stuff is so hard to find in the
states is that what was released here was done so by Rough Trade.  They (RT)
went bankrupt about three years ago (or something like that) and now their
entire catalog has been deleted.  Granted, some of the more popular stuff has
been reissued on different labels (such as Elektra's reissue of the first two
Pixies albums and the Breeders' brilliant "Pod"), but I can't see Luaka Bop
doing the same for A.R. Kane.

Meanwhile - you're all probably going to think I'm BSing you here - while
browsing through a bin of dollar cassettes at the local Camelot Music, I
found about five copies of "69"!  No CDs or vinyl, natch, but it's better
than nothing.  They also had some other interesting finds, such as the first
tape by Hugo Largo (a totally underrated band, IMHO), old Wire and some other
stuff I can't remember.  So it might be worth a few minutes to dig around and
see what you can find.

Lastly, this is my first post to the list since signing on over the weekend,
so I wanted to say hello to everyone.

HELLO!  :G)

from Jeremy Orr



Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:30:59 -0600
From: Regis (z943159@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU)
Subject: hnia _mouth by mouth_ import and domestic


        can someone explain what the differences are between the two  and
which they like better?  there is a difference isn't there?  thanks

sunG


Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:22:48 EST
From: Ted Watkins (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: stuff for sale (rare 4ad...)


I am forwarding this for a friend of mine. do not contact me.
contact him (pj) at the address contained below..




According to Baltimore:
> From daemon Sun Dec 11 16:11:44 1994
> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:11:39 -0500 (EST)
> From: Baltimore 
> To: fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
> Message-ID: 
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> hey ted, do you think you could post this for me. could you call it
>     stuff for sale. all items are m-/m- unless otherwise stated. please
> e-mail to hold items. money orders and checks only. made payable to paul
> dorsey. mail to this address:
>
> paul dorsey
> 9511 old court rd
> baltimore md
> 21244
>
> e-mail address modmusic@clark.net
>  all of this stuff is from my personal stash. not affiliated with any
> store, political party, or satanic cult of any kind-yet.
>
> ANTI GROUP
>   ha/zulu 12" sweatbox  $10-
>   sht mini lp sweatbox  $12-
>   big sex 12" sweatbox  $10-
> A SCANNER DARKLY
>   this is the way lp. sub rosa $10-
> BAND OF HOLY JOY
>   big ship sails 10" uk 8-
>   manic,magic,majestic lp uk $5-
> BAUHAUS
>   in the flat field 4ad uk $10-
> CLOCK DVA
>   breakdown 12" uk $7-
>   white souls black suits lp italian $15-
>   4 hours/sensorium 12" uk $7-
> COIL
>   loves secret domain lp uk $15-
>   gold is the metal lp uk $17-
>   windowpane 12" pic disc. ltd to 5000 $20-
>   horse rotovator lp us on relativity vg/vg++ $7-
> CLICK CLICK
>   wet skin curious eye pias europe $10-
> CRISPY AMBULANCE
>   five minutes from the frontline 7". $15-
> CURRENT 93
>   looney runes w. poster $20-
>   dogs blood rising. orig. on laylah $50-
>   in menstrual night lp. reissue with cover $20-
>   current/nurse split 7" "no hiding from the black bird" reissue $20-
>   bar maldoror lp. orig with seals $50-
> CHRIS & COSEY
>   core lp. features guest artists lustmord/coil/john duncan/boyd rice
>   $20-
> CUPOL
>   been like this for ages 12" 4ad uk $25-
> DANSE SOCIETY
>   somewhere 12" uk $6-
>   there is no shame in death 12" uk $8-
>   were so happy/women's own 12" $10-
> DANIELLE DAX
>   jesus egg that wept uk lp $10-
> DEATH CULT
>   brothers grimm 12" uk $8-
> DISCO INFERNO
>   entertainment 7" $8-
>   last dance 12" $8-
> DOME
>   will you speak this word lp on uniton. $15-
> DUET EMMO
>   or so it seems 12" $6-
> DEATH IN JUNE
>   misanthropy lp on ner. insert. $20-
>   born again pic. disc on cenaz. $15-
>   wall of sacrifice. yellow cover with insert. $50-
>   guilty have no pride. ner original. $20-
>   oh how we laughed. blue vinyl. ltd ed. of 650 $30-
>   93 dead sunwheels lp $10-
> DDAA
>   ronsard 12" with free 7" $10-
> DANCE CHAPTER
>   7" on 4ad uk $20-
> EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL
>   night and day 7" uk $8-
> FAD GADGET
>   fireside favourites lp. $8-
>   one mans meat/sleep(version) 7". $5-
>   king of the flies/plain clothes 7" $5-
>   saturday night special/swallow it(live) $5-
> FIELDS OF THE NEPHELIM
>   summerland 12" uk $10-
>   burning the fields 12" white vinyl. $10-
> GHOST DANCE
>   river of no return 12 uk $8-
> ROBERT HAIGH
>   music from the antechamber 12" laylah. $15-
> IN THE NURSERY
>   twins lp on sweatbox $12-
>   stormhorse lp on sweatbox $12-
>   when cherished dreams come true lp $25-
>   sonority 12" on ner. $16-
>   compulsion 12" on sweatbox $8-
>   elegy 12" on sweatbox m-/vg+ $8-
>   temper 12" on sweatbox $20
> IN CAMERA
>   iv songs 12" 4ad uk. $25-
>   final achivement/die laughing 7" 4ad uk $25-
> JOSEF K
>   radio drill time 7" on postcard $8-
> KLINIK
>   3 lp box set $25-
> LAIBACH
>   nova akropola lp. $8-
> LOWLIFE
>   godhead lp $10-
>   vein delights 12" with free 7" $10-
> MY CAPTAINS
>   7" on 4ad uk $25-
> MARINE GIRLS
>   lazy ways lp. uk $6-
> MONOCHROME SET
>   love zombies lp $5-
>   strange botique lp. $5-
>   westminster affair lp. $5-
> MODERN ENGLISH
>   gathering dust ep. $20-
>   life in the gladhouse 12" $15-
> NURSE WITH WOUND
>   150 murderous passions original white sleeve on united dairies. vg+/m-
>   $30-
>   alas the madonna does not function lp. ud orig. m-/vg+ $15-
>   homotopy to marie lp. ud orig $20-
> LEGENDARY PINK DOTS
>   split 12' with beequeen. lpd song is "potsdammer spats" korm plastics
>   holland. rare $45-
> PINK MILITARY
>   do animals believe in god lp $6-
> PINK INDUSTRY
>   beginnings lp. $8-
> POP GROUP
>   mass murder lp. $10-
>   Y lp. $12-
> PSYCHIC TV
>   force the hand of chance w/poster uk $30-
>   dreams less sweet with ltd 12" uk lp. $25-
>   live in rekyavik lp. $10-
>   live at the final wars lp. w/inserts. $13-
> PRINCESS TINYMEAT
>   herstory lp. (ex virgin prunes) $10-
> REMA REMA
>   wheel in the roses 12" reissue 4ad uk $20-
> ROYAL FAMILY & THE POOR
>   in the sea of e lp. $10
>   dominion 12" on factory uk $10-
>   live 83-85 on recloose. $8-
> RED TEMPLE SPIRITS
>   if tommorow i were leaving for lhasa...lp. $25-
> SWANS
>   love of life box set. contains love of life and white light...lp's
>   british versions. $40-
>   a screw 12" pvc us. m-/vg+ $8-
>   love will tear us apart 12" caroline us. $10-
>   anonomyous bodies in empty rooms lp. uk. $15-
>   children of god 2lp. us. $15-
> SWELL MAPS
>   collision time revisited 2lp us. $10-
> SPK
>   leichenskrei lp. on thermidor us $15-
>   leichenskrei lp. on normal europe $8-
> SEX GANG CHILDREN
>   into the abyss/dieche 7" $10-
>   andi sex gang "assasin years" 12"  uk $5-
> SORT SOL
>   marble arch 7" on 4ad uk $25-
> SIXTH COMM
>   morthogenesis pic disc 12" $10-
>   a taste for flesh 12" $10-
> SOL INVICTUS
>   looking for europe 7" $15-
> SOVIET FRANCE
>   shouting at the ground 2lp. $15-
> SEVERED HEADS
>   dead eyes opened 12" $10-
> THIS MORTAL COIL
>   come here my love/drugs 10" $30-
> TEST DEPT.
>   a good night out lp. uk $8-
> THIS HEAT
>   first self titled lp. $10-
> TRACT THORN
>   a distant shore lp $6-
> THROBBING GRISTLE
>   grief lp $15-
>   discipline in manchester and berlin 12" $15-
>   shadow of the sun lp. $10-
>   editions frankfurt and berlin lp $15-
>   rafters lp. $15-
>   something came.../subhuman camo bag 7" $10-
>   adrenelin/distant dreams camo bag 7" $10-
> UNREST
>   unrest/heidi berry split 7" us promo only ble vinyl $15-
> VIRGIN PRUNES
>   moments in mine/greylight/war. 7" w/inserts $25-
>   20 tens 7" $30-
>   pagan love song 7" $15"
>   new form of beauty 7" $20-
>   new form of beauty 2 10" $25-
>   new form of beauty 3 12" $25-
>   new form of beauty 1-4. italian 2 lp set with window sleeve. $65-
>   heresie box 2x10" with inserts. $60-
> COMPILATIONS
>   "myths 1" with william burroughs/bates&becker/mark stewart. lp $8-
>   "myths 2" with spk/hula/general strike. lp $8-
>   "qed" 2 lp set plus 7" with legendary pink dots/laibach/die form/spk
>   chris and cosey/test dept/ect. $30-
>   "perdurabo" lp with legendary pink dots/attrition/heavenly bodies/
>   wolfgang press/ect $20-
>   "sudden departure" lp on recloose org with bourbonese qualk/eg. oblique
>   graph(muslim gauze) ect $15-
>   "wonderful world of glass" with legendary pink dots/lemon kittens/ect $30-
>   "myths 4" with coil/current 93/ect $10-
>   "you bet weve got something against you" lp current 93/anti group/ect $15-
>   "some bizarre album" with first ever songs depeche/the the/soft cell/ect
>   $15-
>   "necropolis anphibians reptiles-the music of adolph wolphi with spk/nurse
>   and ddaa/and graham revell. $20-
>   "fight is on" with current 93/nurse/coil/ect laylah $20-
>
> COMPACT DISCS
>
> ALL ABOUT EVE touched by jesus $7-
>               self titled $6-
> BREATHLESS chasing promises $9-
> COIL scatology $9-
> CABARET VOLTAIRE voice of america $6-
> COLLECTION D"ARNELL ANDREA les marrionettes $7
> DISCO INFERNO second language cd single $5-
> EVERY NEW DEAD GHOST self titled $5-
> HEAVENLY BODIES celestial $15-
> JOY OF LIFE (ex death in june) enjoy/hear the children ltd box set of 500
> $15-
> MCCARTHY (stereolab)banking,violence... $8-
> MODERN ENGLISH after the snow $5-
> COLIN NEWMAN singing fish $5-
>              a-z $5-
> OES anima artegro $10-
> PALE SAINTS mrs dolphin. jap $25-
> PRUNES (virgin) nada $10-
> RUBELLA BALLET greatest trips $5-
> SAVAGE RTEPUBLIC-live in europe 88 $5-
> PSYCHIC TV splinter test 3 cd box set vol 1 $25-
>            splinter test 3 cd box set vol 2 $25-
> SEEFEEL starethrough ep- $8-
> SEVERED HEADS city slab horror $7-
>               since the accident $7-
> SOUTHERN DEATH CULT self titled $5-
> TEST DEPT. unacceptable face $7-
>
> COMPS
> "absolute" with current 93/in the nursery/click click/ect. $12-
> "elephant table album" with nurse/chris & cosey/pink dots/ coil/ect $15-
> "tyranny of the beat" with neubauten/tg/spk/ect $10-
> "from across this grey land 2 $5-
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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 17:01:05 -0500
From: "[spiraL]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: help... v23 and arcana number needed...


could someone pleeeeze send
me the phone
number and fax number for
Arcana books in california (if that
is the right place, im looking for the
this rimy river exhibition book!!)

thank you in advance!!
                                ---> [spiral]
                                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:02:24 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA is burning to be in my collection, but which?


> Of course I can disagree!!  I am the great Darth Vader!  See, I thought you
> were ranking the albums in order of what you think is the best.  See, you!

  here, mr. vader....my ranking of the hnia stuffola: livonia. hiiyh,
  both hnia home tapes, mbm, kos, tde.... of course, the first two
  are tied for 1st and the others are tied for 2nd... :)

> And whose fault is it that IVO and John Frye mixed it?  Hmmmmmm... thats a
> tough one...  Can we say WARREN??? (in yr best church lady impersonation)

  hey..i can't do dana carvey! aw well..we'll just have to blame warren
  for everything...it's his fault his records have tmc overtones and it's
  his fault that karin oliver has big ugly docs and it's his fault
  the earth is round and not flat...

> I gave him yr e-mail and snail-mail address.  He said he would visit you as
> soon as he finished his life sentance... if he can get someone to drive him
> there.

  ugh..does this mean i have to discard all my clothes with buttons?
  i'm really not into the whole Quaker Oats look...


  *k* ...a cream o'wheat sort of gal...

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:35:46 CST
From: Grant Schwarz (gks@MOD.DSTO.GOV.AU)
Subject: Lush Interview


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On a cozy day, Lush and RAD spent the afternoon and evening. First, we
enjoyed the very pleasant company of Philip and Miki for a much
longer-than-expected interview about 4AD's move to L.A. during the
recording of their latest album, "Split." The interview was good (very
interesting for any 4AD fans out there), the album "Split" is great, but
the show is simply the best show (music and lights) put on the small
stage this year.

RAD - How do you like being on 4AD?

Miki- It's alright.

phiL - Pretty laid back.

Miki- You can't say any label is better than most labels, it depends on
what you want. If you want a lot of money, then go on another label.

phiL - If you want more control over what you do...

Miki- then you want the support of an indie label.

RAD - How do you feel about 4AD moving to L.A?

phiL - It's not the whole lot (of the 4AD label)...

Miki- just Ivo's moved to L.A. It's a bit difficult in some ways,
because 4AD IS Ivo, really, and it always has been in this little
office. And if you have a problem, you can phone him there. It's good in
a way, because obviously...

phiL - there's more exposure....

Miki- Now that 4AD's got a license with Warner Brothers, or Reprise,
there' s a lot less communication goes on. And don't expect them to
call. We weren't expecting when we were making this album that Ivo was
fuckin' nowhere to be found. He wasn't around and he didn't come to the
studio and I think that's wrong. That's exactly the way it's changing.
He got married, and it's fine. It's a transitional period and I wasn't
exactly pleased that our record was caught in that transitional period.
But what is there, you know, it's not like we're not going to leave 4AD.

RAD - Who did you produce this last album with?

Miki- Mike Finters.

RAD - How did that go?

Miki- Fine...

phiL - ...it went fine...

Miki- Actually, we spent a long time trying to find a producer. A lot
were unavailable. And we didn't say what we were looking for in a
producer. Bob Mould, we wanted, for obvious reasons, you know, for that
specific sound he could get. And when he couldn't do it, it was like
well...we didn't wasn't anybody with a specific s ound, we just wanted
someone who would bring out our sound. And Mike Finte rs was more of a
engineer than a producer, and he likes to co-produce. And so all he did
was loyally record what we played. And the problems came in when we did
the mixing, because that IS a producers real job, in the mix--their
sound or whatever. And it didn't really work out.

phiL - He just sort of lost interest at that point.

Miki- We only mixed the whole album and all the b-sides and everything
and then go, "it's not working". It took a long time. We spent like a
month mixing them, and then took a couple of weeks off and then came
back and remixed the whole album and b-sides with Alan Moulder, and he
was great. phiL - He was a bit more dynamic...things just jumped up.
Because on the original mix, everything was quite flat on it.

RAD - Who are some of the bands that you listen to?

phiL - Nick Cave

Miki- Blur, Suede. It's a sad thing about Suede.

phiL - Some band that has sold about 3,000 albums.

Miki- I'm glad that never happened to us. Lush U.K.

phiL - London Lush.

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:11:10 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: FELT


A couple of people have been asking about FELT, and since I'm a big fan, I
thought I'd send along my thoughts.

I think their best album by far is "The Splendour Of Fear."  "Mexican
Bandits," "The Optimist and the Poet," and especially "The Stagnant Pool"
are just incredible instrumental songs.  The first 4 albums are more
instrumental, largely because of the guitar brilliance of Maurice Deebank,
who subsequently left the band.  Though I like the FELT albums after his
departure, they really aren't nearly as interesting.

See, where the later albums are just pop (though very good pop), the early
albums have a uniqueness that is all their own (as opposed to a uniqueness
that is someone elses!).  Nothing sounds like these records.  Just amazing!
For those who like this period, I strongly recommend checking out MAURICE
DEEBANK's solo recordings -- all of which are handily compiled on "Inner
Thought Zone" on Cherry Red (CD MRED 61).  For those who like DIF JUZ, I
think you'll really like early FELT.  Sorry, no money-back guarantee is
offered here.

As far as the later albums are concerned, I have to agree with the praise of
"Train above the City."  A warning though -- it's largely a jazz album on
which Laurence had no input.  I think the last FELT album, "Me and a Monkey
on the Moon" is quite a return to their earlier form though.  I think it's
the best since "Splendour of Fear."  It's still a pop album, but has some
really great instrumental passages, particularly "New Day Dawning."

As for DENIM, Laurence's post-FELT band, I like them a lot too, but be
forewarned -- it's a trashy, kitschy, homage to the seventies.  From the
"We-Will-Rock-You"-like drums of the first song ("Back in Denim") through
"Middle of the Road" (sample lyric -- "I'm force-fed your so called
heroes/don't be told who to like/it's your right to choose/who you listen
to/it's your rock/rock 'n' roll/you'll find me in the middle of the road"),
to the last song ("I'm Against the Eighties") (sample lyric -- "I'm against
the '80s/I don't care what you say/I'm against the '80s/you don't listen to
me anyway/well I'm for the '70s/oh and for the '90s too").  Really fun stuff.

Hope that helps.  Enjoy.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu


Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:23:23 EST
From: KingofSweet (lycia@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: help... v23 and arcana number needed...


ok here is the Arcana info (insert usual non-affiliation disclaimer here):

arcana books on the arts
1229 third street promenade
santa monica, ca  90401
1-310-458-1499 (phone)
1-310-458-9014 (fax)

here is what they have:

v23/vaughan oliver :    this rimy river graphic works 1988-1994    $39.95


v23 poster set #2:   $25

v23 purple xl t-shirt   $15

all virgos are mad cd    $15

AVAM video sampler   $20

gets those credit cards out.....ouch!

peter


Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:28:50 -0800
From: * kelli-jeanne * (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 3 uninteresting cds for sale


  i would like to get rid of these 3 discs to whoever offers
  a reasonable amount of money for 'em. i'm not greedy so i'm
  not looking for a ton of cash..and i wouldn't get a ton of cash
  for these anyway...

  REM - Document
  Primal Scream - Come Together cd-single {2 versions of come together,
  3 versions of loaded, 2 other songs}
  Ride - Smile {jewel case is kinda mucked up, but i'll switch the
  case before sending it off to a new home}

  *k*


Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 22:25:57 -0500
From: PLAY THIS MUSIC LOUD (WLBN@ACAD.ALBION.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Muses


We just got the single, `Bright Yellow Gun' in.

It's brilliant.  _University_ will definitely be a must buy.

Matthew
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